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| jetole | Hey guys. I am having a hard time trying to figure out how to upload a 200GB image | 04:30 |
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| SamYaple | Whats the problem jetole? | 04:33 |
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| jetole | SamYaple: Well via horizon, it seems apache is storing to /tmp before pushing to ceph/rados and this exceeds total disk space. Via swift, I'm not 100% sure how I split a image into multiple files anmd recompose it as a single file once in swift | 04:34 |
| jetole | SamYaple: and beyond those two methods, not sure what other options I have | 04:35 |
| SamYaple | Ah yes. Apache buffers that (same when doing swift uploads and downloads through horizon). | 04:36 |
| SamYaple | You will need to do this with the CLI tools | 04:36 |
| jetole | I tried with the swift cli but that failed as I was told object was too big and I read there is a 5GB swift limit. Do you mean another cli tool? | 04:36 |
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| SamYaple | Before I continue, lets get on the same page. Is this a glace image or cinder image? What is the source for the image? | 04:37 |
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| jetole | SamYaple: This is from a VPN misgration. Originally a vmdk from ESXi that has been converted to raw (since using ceph so raw instead of qcow) | 04:38 |
| jetole | I have done this for a dozen different instances so far via horizon but none this large yet | 04:38 |
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| SamYaple | Ok. If you have access to ceph directly, you can create a dummy glance image of the size and properties you want the new one to be, then dd the file into the RBD | 04:39 |
| SamYaple | If you want to push it up to Swift, the CLI tool has the option to split the file into N sized chunks | 04:40 |
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| jetole | SamYaple: oh really? @ swift | 04:40 |
| * jetole looks | 04:40 | |
| SamYaple | My personal suggestion is to convert the VMDK and dump to the RBD directly, instead of going through a raw convertion | 04:41 |
| jetole | for multiple users/employees dealing with this, swift may be the best option | 04:41 |
| SamYaple | Which is fair. | 04:41 |
| jetole | SamYaple: I am told that both vmdk and qcow cause latency issues with ceph | 04:41 |
| SamYaple | Well ceph is going to store them as raw, so I am not sure what you are getting at... but I think you miunderstand anyway. Using qemu-img you can put the vmdk as the source, and the rbd as the destination natively | 04:43 |
| jetole | oh I didn't realize that | 04:43 |
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| SamYaple | The swift procedure looks like this: | 04:44 |
| SamYaple | Break file into N-sized chunks (typically 4M to 16M) | 04:44 |
| SamYaple | Upload chunks in a named fashion to the same "directory" in Swift (/container/image1/chunk{1..1000}) | 04:44 |
| SamYaple | Touch a special 0-byte file at /container/image1 | 04:44 |
| jetole | SamYaple: I don't see any option in the swift cli regarding splitting | 04:44 |
| SamYaple | You can now access /container/image1 as the whole image file | 04:44 |
| SamYaple | jetole: the option you are looking for is "segment-size" | 04:45 |
| SamYaple | swift upload container/image1 --segment-size 4194304 | 04:46 |
| SamYaple | Thats 4M chunks | 04:46 |
| jetole | SamYaple: I have swift cli swift 2.0.3. I may need a newer one. This was in the Ubuntu 14.04 repos | 04:46 |
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| SamYaple | This has been around since Folsom I believe. | 04:46 |
| SamYaple | Its part of the v1.0 api | 04:47 |
| SamYaple | http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/content/swiftclient_commands.html | 04:47 |
| jetole | not in the -h then. I am about to test and see if it works | 04:47 |
| SamYaple | jetole: Openstack does help in a wierd way. Try `swift upload --help` | 04:47 |
| jetole | lol | 04:48 |
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| jetole | yeah that worked. Thanks SamYaple | 04:48 |
| jetole | let me give it a try | 04:48 |
| SamYaple | Cool. Also consider dumping straight to RBD if at all possible. Will same lots of time and bandwidth. http://ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/qemu-rbd/ | 04:49 |
| jetole | SamYaple: I can but not so sure about co-workers. I'm going to consider that as well and think it through because it would be quicker with fewer steps | 04:49 |
| jetole | is segment size bytes? | 04:50 |
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| SamYaple | It is | 04:51 |
| SamYaple | if you are using bash, you can use bash math to fill in the bytes. `swift upload container/image1 --segment-size $((4*1024*1024))` | 04:51 |
| SamYaple | replace 4 with any size im MB | 04:52 |
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| jetole | right | 04:52 |
| jetole | Thanks | 04:53 |
| jetole | swift seems to be working | 04:53 |
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| jetole | Going to look into the rbd now | 04:53 |
| jetole | SamYaple: do you know how I show the contents of a ceph pool? | 04:53 |
| jetole | SamYaple: Also, I haven't done swift yet. Once it's uploaded, how do I create a image from that? | 04:54 |
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| SamYaple | You cant directly... I thought you had a procedure you were following. | 04:56 |
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| SamYaple | You an specify it as a url with glance image-upload, and maybe do a Cinder import (not sure). | 04:56 |
| SamYaple | But at the very least you are essentially downloading and reuploading again. | 04:57 |
| SamYaple | Would highly recommend the dummy volume approach | 04:57 |
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| jetole | I thought I had seen a swift url option in nova glance create-image or something similar which may be what you are mentioning regarding download and re-upload | 04:58 |
| SamYaple | You can use swift as a glance backend, but you can't upload a file like that to glance without some trickery. | 04:59 |
| jetole | SamYaple: do you know how I show the contents of a ceph pool? I just used `rados lspools` to view my pools | 04:59 |
| SamYaple | You can specify an import url with glance | 04:59 |
| SamYaple | Are you talking about `rbd ls`? | 05:00 |
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| SamYaple | That defaults to the rbd pool, you can specify a pool name though | 05:01 |
| SamYaple | http://ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/rados-rbd-cmds/ | 05:01 |
| SamYaple | That site should have all the documentaion you need for ceph | 05:02 |
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| jetole | SamYaple: thanks. I see the images pool has them all named via the uuid they were created with | 05:02 |
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| jetole | so... how would I go about uploading direct to ceph while following stack naming conventions, policies, et all | 05:02 |
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| SamYaple | Create a dummy image of the exact size of the raw block deivce you want to import | 05:03 |
| SamYaple | `qemu-img convert` your vmdk with the output to the glance pool and uuid of the dummy glance image you just created | 05:03 |
| jetole | Makes sense | 05:04 |
| SamYaple | It would be better if it made dollars, I know | 05:04 |
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| jetole | lol | 05:06 |
| jetole | I'm going to step out for a smoke. brb | 05:07 |
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| jetole | SamYaple: how do I create a dummy image? | 05:14 |
| SamYaple | Glance or cinder volume? | 05:16 |
| jetole | not sure | 05:17 |
| SamYaple | Big different between the two for creation. Youll want to figure that out | 05:17 |
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| jetole | When I create a image via horizon, what format am I using? | 05:17 |
| SamYaple | Depends on if you are creating a glance image or cinder volume | 05:18 |
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| jetole | I don't know and it doesn't say in horizon | 05:18 |
| jetole | I have images and volumes. I just clicked on a image details and I don't see any reference to either or | 05:19 |
| SamYaple | I dont really use Horizon. Images = Glance; Volume = Cinder. | 05:19 |
| jetole | Ok. How do I create a dummy glance volume? | 05:19 |
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| pcn | jetole let me check out the chef cookbooks for that - I think it uses a CLI command to create a cirros image to start with | 05:22 |
| jetole | pcn: thank you | 05:22 |
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| SamYaple | Eh, for a glance image a dummy image isn't super helpful since you still have to dump out the file byte for byte. You can just push up the raw file I guess. | 05:24 |
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| jetole | SamYaple: can you elaborate a little on how I would do this via qemu-img to the point of booting off of the data? | 05:25 |
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| SamYaple | Not going to be useful to do it with qemu-img if you are trying to create a glance image | 05:25 |
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| jetole | SamYaple: you mentioned that I can use qemu-img, starting with a dummy object (glance, cinder, image, volume, etc) and overwriting that data but aside from you mentioning I can, I don't really know how I would do this | 05:27 |
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| pcn | jetole: I thought you were talking about the command to upload stuff to glance. You're looking at how to create an image to upload? | 05:30 |
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| SamYaple | Well the problem is with glance you would still have to write out the fulll 200G dummy object, might as well upload the source. | 05:30 |
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| SamYaple | I thought you were asking about cinder which is the normal endpoint for VMDK migration of VMs. In that case you can same loads of time and space by creating a dummy image and them using qemu-img | 05:31 |
| jetole | SamYaple: I'm asking about whatever you would suggest? | 05:31 |
| jetole | pcn: I'm asking about using ceph as the destination for qemu-img | 05:31 |
| jetole | SamYaple: right now we are uploading an image to glance and then converting it to cinder | 05:32 |
| SamYaple | Come on man, you have to do a little bit of research here http://ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/qemu-rbd/ | 05:32 |
| jetole | which is obviously cumbersome | 05:32 |
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| SamYaple | Just go straight to cinder. I posted the steps further up | 05:32 |
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| jetole | ok. I don't see where you posted them but I will read that doc you mentioned | 05:34 |
| jetole | linked | 05:34 |
| SamYaple | 1. create inder volume of appropriate size. 2. qemu-img with source as vmdk, dest as RBD | 05:35 |
| jetole | Thanks | 05:36 |
| jetole | I'm taking notes as we go and am reading the ceph doc you posted so it's not like I'm not willing to do the research but you're speaking from experience so, you know, I just assume you understand better on how to begin with this | 05:36 |
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| SamYaple | Not a problem! | 05:38 |
| SamYaple | Just pop back when you have questions about the specifics now that you have an overview | 05:39 |
| jetole | thanks | 05:39 |
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| jetole | I'm using neutron / vlan. Do you know how I can see which vlan a bridge is using? | 05:43 |
| SamYaple | Are you asking which vlan a neutron-network is using? | 05:44 |
| jetole | actually I found the vlan via fuel | 05:45 |
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| bargemayur05 | hello | 06:51 |
| SamYaple | Welcome to the world of yesterday! | 06:52 |
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| jetole | SamYaple: I'm doing a 200GB vmdk to cinder via qemu-img now which is going faster then I expected and skipping some old unneeded steps so thank you tons for that tip | 07:19 |
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| SamYaple | Anytime! | 07:21 |
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| jetole | :-) | 07:27 |
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| ronis | Has anyone tried Midokura SDN in Openstack, which one was released opensource recently. | 08:53 |
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| karppo | hurray. It took only 10h to setup stack lab environment. With folsom release it took allmost three days.. This time i only needed to troubleshoot one bug. | 12:36 |
| SamYaple | Huzzah! | 12:36 |
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| HGtronic | Hello ppl | 12:37 |
| SamYaple | Hi HGtronic | 12:37 |
| HGtronic | may i ask something i have a problem with 2 functions it allways does do the second | 12:37 |
| HGtronic | Ive made a function for subscribe and unsubscribe but allways unsubscribe | 12:38 |
| HGtronic | http://laravel.io/bin/okYor#4 | 12:38 |
| HGtronic | someone? xD | 12:41 |
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| gparaskevas | Hello everyone | 14:32 |
| gparaskevas | i have problem when launching an instach with a volume instance stacks at "block device mapping" and i got the error "" Returning exception Failed to create iscsi target for volume volume"" can anyone help alittle? | 14:32 |
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| HolyGoat | is there any recommended/easy way to set up a single Openstack machine? My goal is to be able to play with it, but go a little beyond devstack capacity resource wise. So far, the installers I've tried all failed unfortunately (I've tried the Ubuntu cloud installer, and Redhat's RDO (packstack) installer). Even after monkey patching Python scripts to get rid of errors the install failed in both cases | 16:59 |
| HolyGoat | (sometimes after a few hours, which is annoying) | 16:59 |
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| mnaser | HolyGoat: following the manual instructions is a good way to get yourself there | 17:09 |
| mnaser | they're pretty straightforward | 17:09 |
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| HolyGoat | mnaser: maybe they're not as overwhelming as they seem to be at first glance (it must be all the different components), I'll go that route. Thanks | 17:11 |
| mnaser | they seem like a lot of things | 17:11 |
| mnaser | but they are very well documented in a step by step basis | 17:12 |
| HolyGoat | also that route would have the advantage of not feeling so much like 'magic' I guess, I'm going to give it a shot | 17:13 |
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| ikuo | test | 17:34 |
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| iunruh | HolyGoat: are you looking to run it on baremetal or virtualized? | 18:26 |
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| iunruh | I have some Ansible playbooks that are dead simple that work out of the box with Vagrant | 18:27 |
| iunruh | https://github.com/ianunruh/openstack-ansible | 18:27 |
| iunruh | I've deployed an openstack testbed a few dozen times using these | 18:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | iunruh: pretty cool stuff | 18:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i've been looking to do something like that except with source | 18:42 |
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| iunruh | Sam-I-Am: funny you should say that, I literally just started on that | 18:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | i still recommend that newbies install manually the first couple of times... figure out how to make their installs more robust... and then automate the deployment | 18:44 |
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| iunruh | yeah, the juno install guide is really good | 18:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | what i'd really like to do for the install guide is use ansible to install the source and dependencies, but leave the manual configuration of openstack bits | 18:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | i maintain the install guide and trying to track several sources of packages has drawbacks... plenty of packaging bugs. | 18:45 |
| iunruh | I've had issues with ubuntu packaging.. trove doesn't install on trusty, so I switched to utopic, but then openswan (for vpnaas) isn't available | 18:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent made it to testing the trove packages | 18:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | its been a long, slow process to completely rewrite the install guide starting around february this year | 18:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | first was fixing neutron and integrating it better into the content | 18:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | then a bunch of improvements to the core services | 18:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | and last week i did a big push to rewrite the swift chapter | 18:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ceilometer, trove, and sahara still need help... plus i have to work on the icehouse->juno upgrade stuff | 18:52 |
| iunruh | well I was really impressed with it when I wrote my playbooks.. I was hopping between the install guide, the admin guide and the config reference for about 2 weeks :P | 18:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the admin guide needs a lot of work, particularly with networking | 18:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm also trying to write a networking guide which the admin guide will link to | 18:53 |
| iunruh | I like the "cookbook" style used in the admin guide.. you want to do this? well then do it this way | 18:54 |
| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am Ive found the neutron documentation isnt to great | 18:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | but again, time... and seems like the combination of people who understand neutron and want to write documentation is about... 3. | 18:54 |
| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Ambit confusing at times | 18:54 |
| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am neutron can get quite complicated | 18:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | iunruh: the idea is that newbs use the install guide, then enhance their environments with the admin guide and other guides | 18:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | pastypas_: the only place with halfway usable/recent neutron docs is the install guide | 18:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | and nothing covers dvr yet (which is probably ok since its completely broken) | 18:55 |
| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am dvr is that for HA or? never really looked at it | 18:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 18:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | one of two implementations in juno, neither of which work. | 18:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | at least best i can tell | 18:56 |
| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am thats one thing id love to have in my deployment, HA neutron | 18:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, if you can get it to work :) | 18:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | i can tell you what i think the config files should look like, but theres zero official docs. pretty much read the code and guess. | 18:57 |
| iunruh | it seemed to me like DVR and HA both worked, but they each had little quirks | 18:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | dvr and fips are broken... and ha has some serious lock file issues | 18:58 |
| iunruh | ah, didn't encounter the HA lock files issue | 18:58 |
| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am probs something ill look at in the future, our deployment is for R&D so its not mission critical, I found when setting up my openstack enviroment, I spent a lot of time looking at the code. Something which I believe is poorly documented is LDAP | 18:58 |
| iunruh | Sam-I-Am: if I wanted to contribute to docs, where would I start? | 18:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | its entirely possible that dvr works and its just a config issue, but no one seems to have any clue how to configure it either. its like no one actually tested it before release. | 18:58 |
| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am surely somebody must have documented how they set it up? | 18:59 |
| pastypas_ | iunruh what do you mean, where do you start? | 18:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | best i can tell, it was only ever tested in devstack | 18:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | possibly only on a single node | 18:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | because anyone doing any sort of real testing would have found these problems | 18:59 |
| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am if its not a single node how is that HA? | 18:59 |
| pastypas_ | on* | 18:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | exactly | 18:59 |
| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am the whole point of OS is to scable and be super redundant | 19:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | iunruh: depends what you like to contribute... or what areas you have the most experience. | 19:00 |
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| iunruh | probably the most useful would be documentation on different tenant network types in Neutron | 19:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | we're looking for help here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC | 19:02 |
| pastypas_ | iunruh you can always raise a bug, assign it to yourself and make changes and submit it | 19:02 |
| iunruh | the install guide just has GRE, and switching to something like VLAN or VXLAN requires trial-and-error with the config reference or luck with finding an up-to-date tutorial | 19:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | iunruh: vxlan still does not work on all distros | 19:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | the install guide covers the least common denominator | 19:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | maybe for kilo | 19:03 |
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| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am I spend ages getting it to work so I didnt have natting, pain that was | 19:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | vlan also requires people having switches with vlan support and understanding networking, which most people dont. | 19:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the networking guide would cover vlan | 19:03 |
| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am if youre running a network and didnt know what a vlan was, that i be concered | 19:04 |
| pastypas_ | concered* | 19:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | pastypas_: most people who try openstack have sysadmin/vmware experience and dont understand networking beyond assigning an IP to something. | 19:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | and if they do have networking experience, its typically not with linux-centric things like namespaces, iptables, veth pairs, etc. | 19:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | or ovs | 19:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | if there's anything i want to do with the install guide, its replace ovs with linuxbridge because its conceptually easier | 19:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | a big chunk of the networking guide will be trying to explain linux networking concepts | 19:07 |
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| iunruh | reading through the networking guide TOC, it looks really exciting | 19:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | it does. and you dont even have to write docbook. we have someone to do that part. most people are allergic to xml :) | 19:08 |
| pastypas_ | I submitted my first ever change yesterday, didnt have a clue what i was doing got the hang quitwe quickly though | 19:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | pastypas_: the combination of docbook + tool chain + conventions/style is difficult for a lot of people to grasp, especially for one-time contributors or those who want to fix a few small issues | 19:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | it took me a couple of months to get the hang of everything | 19:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | nowadays i barely think about it | 19:10 |
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| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am i edited the doc in sublime which i found quite difficult, probs better out there but | 19:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | i use vim | 19:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | lots of people use oxygen | 19:11 |
| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am oxygen costs though | 19:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 19:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | another problem with docbook | 19:12 |
| pastypas_ | would be nice if there was a free gui editor | 19:12 |
| pastypas_ | would make it a lot quicker | 19:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | i kind of like asciidoc, but if we go anywhere it'll probably be md or rst | 19:12 |
| pastypas_ | whats the difference between the .rst docs and the xml, why 2 formats? | 19:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | sphinx uses rst | 19:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | lots of the python stuff uses sphinx to pull docs out of the code | 19:14 |
| pastypas_ | Sam-I-Am ah fair enough | 19:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | docbook makes better looking docs, but the book structure isn't efficient anymore | 19:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | rst is more suited to topic-based authoring | 19:14 |
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