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| SVK | How to create openstack instance directly form ISO image..?? | 08:02 |
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| KimiA | SVK: http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/content/ch_creating_images_manually.html | 08:05 |
| vivcheri | I am following the URL http://ceph.com/docs/next/rbd/rbd-openstack/ to integrate ceph rbd with Openstack. | 08:06 |
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| vivcheri | In the <name>client.cinder secret</name> should I give the cinder.client.key in " " inside the <name></name> tags. | 08:07 |
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| sld | does anyone happen to know of a way to list all cinder volumes per cinder host, similar to --host does for instances on compute hosts? | 08:40 |
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| lcurtis | question for all: is it possible to assign an ip to openstack vm directly on a vlan provder network without using a floating ip? | 16:32 |
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| jdcaddie | encountering an issue when trying to run swift commands ERROR = /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/swiftclient/version.py:15: UserWarning: Module backports was already imported from /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/backports/__init__.pyc, but /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages is being added to sys.path | 17:19 |
| jdcaddie | Has anyone encountered that issue? | 17:20 |
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| mlg9000_1 | Hi all, when building a openstack environment out, what components are critical to have redundancy so that VM's are not impacted by a failure? Little overwhelmed with all the sub services involved in this! | 18:54 |
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| jasonsb_ | mlg9000_1: if i understand your question correctly i think just neutron | 19:17 |
| jasonsb_ | mlg9000_1: if you have a running VM then you just need to be able to route network traffic to be operational | 19:18 |
| mlg9000_1 | if I used vlans and external routers/firewalls/etc via neutron and not the neutron router I'd assume at that point neutron wouldn't be required either? | 19:20 |
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| X123 | neutron is an api | 19:21 |
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| X123 | and abstraction layer/plugin whatever u want to call it | 19:21 |
| X123 | so it's always rquired :) | 19:22 |
| X123 | unless u want to use nova | 19:22 |
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| X123 | but the l3 agent you wouldn't need | 19:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | sup X123 | 19:22 |
| X123 | hi sam :) | 19:22 |
| X123 | how are u | 19:22 |
| X123 | i guess the new term is 'network orchestration' ? :) | 19:22 |
| X123 | almost new year! | 19:23 |
| lcurtis | any tips on troubleshooting why vlan network provider not working? | 19:23 |
| lcurtis | with neutron | 19:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | X123: something like that | 19:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | X123: working on the icehouse to juno upgrade instructions now | 19:25 |
| X123 | ah | 19:26 |
| X123 | i don't think we will be using juno for a while | 19:26 |
| X123 | lots of the bugfixes got backported into icehouse | 19:26 |
| X123 | and juno added a lot of new bugs haha | 19:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | heh | 19:28 |
| mlg9000_1 | how difficult is an upgrade typically? I'm doing an eval | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | X123: depends on the service | 19:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | mlg9000_1: not too bad, better if you've planned your environment out right | 19:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | its improved over the releases | 19:29 |
| X123 | true, i just wish there was any type of viable sdn option | 19:29 |
| X123 | flat/vlan still is the most stable | 19:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wrote the instructions for grizzly->havana havana->icehouse and icehouse->juno and they keep getting easier | 19:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | X123: stability is overrated. this is CLOUD lol. | 19:30 |
| X123 | which from a network engineer's view is a nightmare | 19:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | read: job security :) | 19:30 |
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| X123 | haha | 19:33 |
| X123 | flat network :) | 19:33 |
| X123 | got some in production using that with no problems | 19:33 |
| X123 | aside from still horrible performance | 19:33 |
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| X123 | performance is going to suffer horribly until they make some sort of hitless copy of network data into a userspace program to do everything | 19:35 |
| X123 | i think OVS is working on this | 19:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | mmmmaybe | 19:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | have you tried linuxbridge? | 19:36 |
| X123 | anything that uses the kernel , especially linux | 19:36 |
| X123 | is horrid performance | 19:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | not designed for networking | 19:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | outside of host-type networking | 19:36 |
| X123 | right | 19:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | generally speaking lb seems to perform better than ovs | 19:37 |
| X123 | problem is the machines outgrew the software | 19:37 |
| X123 | so you are basically running 15 year old software on new hardware | 19:37 |
| X123 | there has to be significant fundamental kernel changes to have any difference | 19:37 |
| X123 | or, it has to be offloaded to userspace or hardware | 19:37 |
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| X123 | userspace is fast | 19:38 |
| X123 | because that's where most of the focus goes on programming it lol | 19:38 |
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| X123 | it's not a hardware limitation any more to do 10-20 gigs on a server and millions of packets/sec | 19:39 |
| X123 | but can barely even do 500-600kpps on a server due to the software | 19:39 |
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| X123 | normally this isn't an issue if the server is just a server, but with 100 virtual machines on it now, it becomes 100 servers | 19:39 |
| X123 | and one VM tries to do a few gigabits 500k pps | 19:39 |
| X123 | and every VM on the whole host suffers | 19:40 |
| X123 | that's like a hub :) | 19:40 |
| X123 | we got rid of hubs and went to switches in 1990s | 19:40 |
| X123 | if the ceiling was higher like 5-6 million pps it wouldn't be so bad | 19:41 |
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| X123 | would you buy a 48 port gigabit switch , which did 500k pps max total across the whole thing | 19:42 |
| X123 | one gigabit port can do 1.4M pps in one direction | 19:42 |
| X123 | nobody would buy it :P | 19:42 |
| mlg9000_1 | This is an issue with OVS? | 19:42 |
| X123 | it's an issue with everything | 19:42 |
| X123 | anything that uses kernel operations for networking | 19:43 |
| X123 | not limited to ovs | 19:43 |
| mlg9000_1 | which includes what? | 19:43 |
| mlg9000_1 | trying to figure out how to implement networking here ;) | 19:44 |
| X123 | ya that IS the quetsion isn't it :) | 19:44 |
| X123 | until someone comes up with a better option, flat network is the best | 19:44 |
| X123 | or vlan network | 19:44 |
| X123 | same thing | 19:44 |
| mlg9000_1 | can't you do vlan's with Neutron? | 19:45 |
| X123 | but still performance limited | 19:45 |
| X123 | yes | 19:45 |
| lcurtis | im running into issues getting vlan networking going | 19:45 |
| X123 | the problem is | 19:45 |
| lcurtis | trying tcpdump on bridge interfaces but dont see anything | 19:45 |
| X123 | the packest have to go into the NIC on the server, get read by the kernel, processed, sent to appropriate places | 19:46 |
| X123 | like the kernel module (ovs or linux bridge) etc | 19:46 |
| X123 | this is just bad performance | 19:46 |
| X123 | always has been | 19:46 |
| X123 | but it's the most flexible | 19:46 |
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| X123 | you won't be abl eto see anything tcpdump on all bridge interfaces | 19:47 |
| X123 | i mean they are, after all, switchports | 19:47 |
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| X123 | the method people are working on now is to have a userspace process directly attached to the memory of the NIC | 19:48 |
| X123 | and grab the info from it | 19:48 |
| X123 | completely removing the kernel from anything | 19:48 |
| X123 | (except running the userspace process of course) | 19:49 |
| X123 | PF_RING was one of the first iterations of this | 19:49 |
| X123 | http://www.ntop.org/products/pf_ring/pf_ring-zc-zero-copy/ | 19:50 |
| X123 | for example | 19:50 |
| X123 | is the new version | 19:50 |
| X123 | intel is working on something like this too | 19:51 |
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| X123 | this works :) | 19:52 |
| X123 | even works with VMs, if only was a way to integrate it into openstack | 19:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | soooooon | 19:53 |
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| X123 | heh | 19:56 |
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| mlg9000_1 | With VLAN networking is it possible to use an external DHCP server? | 20:00 |
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| mlg9000_1 | I have an existing install server and it would be nice to be able to have openstack and baremetal provisioned on the same VLAN's | 20:01 |
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| X123 | well of course you could have one | 20:04 |
| X123 | you'd lose all the ip address management of openstack though | 20:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | yay, this patch is almost done | 20:05 |
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| lcurtis | will ovs work with an existing linux bridge? | 20:12 |
| lcurtis | on a host? | 20:12 |
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| lcurtis | i cannot for life of me figure out why no connectivity using neutron and vlans | 20:12 |
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