| MentalRay | but its because it autosnap center on the object | 00:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what are you trying to do? | 00:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a magnet at the middle of each object that lines will snap to | 00:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | if i want to snap a line elsewhere in an object, i'll add magnets | 00:01 |
| MentalRay | ah I just realize how to do it | 00:01 |
| MentalRay | loi | 00:01 |
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| MentalRay | I need to tell the object which size is the snap | 00:01 |
| MentalRay | and then the line will auto snap there | 00:01 |
| MentalRay | let me try it | 00:01 |
| MentalRay | ok thats not it | 00:01 |
| MentalRay | would have been a marvelous feature on their part but | 00:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | i've never had problems with omnigraffle not doing what i wanted | 00:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | so i'm not sure whats going on here | 00:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | you need a screen sharing app lol | 00:02 |
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| MentalRay | its the way I setup the graph I guess | 00:02 |
| MentalRay | I will send you a sample later | 00:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | generally what i do is enable snap-to-grid (on a reasonable grid spacing), draw shapes, add magnets to those shapes, and then draw lines between the magnets | 00:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | suck one of the graffle files down from my repo and mess with it | 00:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | https://github.com/ionosphere80/openstack-networking-guide/tree/master/common/images | 00:04 |
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| MentalRay | which one is the most complexe? | 00:05 |
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| MentalRay | I got an idea on how to by pass my issue | 00:05 |
| MentalRay | but will check your graffle file as weel | 00:05 |
| MentalRay | well | 00:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | any of the 'flows' are pretty complex | 00:07 |
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| MentalRay | I will take a look from home | 00:11 |
| MentalRay | bbl | 00:11 |
| MentalRay | thanks | 00:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | k | 00:11 |
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| mabco | I'm back libsysguy: It was the port 5900 was block in the compute nodes.. I enable it then viola working perfectly.. thanks a heap | 00:12 |
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| dgbaley | Sam-I-Am: I got it =) But now I have to figure out how. | 02:44 |
| Grim__ | Hi, quick question. | 02:45 |
| dgbaley | And I think file a bug with cinder because the volumes that were already stuck 'creating' are still stuck. | 02:45 |
| Grim__ | Is OpenStack region and availability zone concept exactly the same as AWS? | 02:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | dgbaley: what was it? | 02:45 |
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| dgbaley | I'm trying to figure that out now, something in cinder.conf though | 02:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | Grim__: probabaly similar. i'm not familiar with aws. | 02:46 |
| Grim__ | 2 physical DCs would be 2 regions or availability zones? 2 regions, right? | 02:46 |
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| Grim__ | And isolation under each dc will comprise the acailability zone. Correct? | 02:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | dgbaley: with a good config, volumes should never get stuck in the creating state. you could probably delete them from the db. | 02:47 |
| dgbaley | Sam-I-Am: I did, and updated quota_usages which looked like it was completely out of sync even before I started trying to enable the extra storage backend | 02:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | Grim__: i'd go with region. AZ to me is a subset of stuff within a DC. | 02:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's also cells | 02:48 |
| dgbaley | Grim__: I think it depends on which services you want to run multiple copies of | 02:48 |
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| dgbaley | Grim__: e.g., look at table 5.2 http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/scaling.html | 02:49 |
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| dgbaley | But for two separate DCs, probably regions | 02:50 |
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| Grim__ | Yep, was looking at that earlier. We want single horizon and keystone. | 02:51 |
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| Grim__ | My prob lies in the concept of az in aws and openstack. | 02:56 |
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| Grim__ | In aws azones are physically distinct and independent infra. | 02:56 |
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| Grim__ | They can also be physically separate. | 02:57 |
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| dgbaley | Sam-I-Am: DEFAULT/control_exchange | 02:58 |
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| dgbaley | Somehow that was set to 'cinder' on my controller where everything worked and was not set for the new cinder-volume. | 03:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what was it set to by default? | 03:01 |
| dgbaley | There was no default value on new -volume node. | 03:01 |
| dgbaley | I don't know how it got set on the controller | 03:01 |
| dgbaley | I certainly never did, and I don't see anything by grepping for it in the ubuntu pre/post/etc install scripts | 03:02 |
| dgbaley | It was possible left over from Icehouse | 03:02 |
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| dgbaley | I wonder if I should remove it everywhere or set it everywhere; I'm leaning toward removing it. | 03:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | control_exchange is usually a ceilometer thing | 03:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | and should default to 'cinder' | 03:03 |
| dgbaley | Oh hrm, maybe I did set it | 03:03 |
| dgbaley | I have my ceilo config elsewhere in puppet | 03:03 |
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| dgbaley | Okay, yeah I set it as part of the ceilometer setup | 03:04 |
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| dgbaley | Sam-I-Am: Well thanks for the moral support with all of that! You've helped me a few times at this point; I owe you the obligatory beer if you're ever in Colorado | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | i used to live there | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | i escaped the cold, and it barely got above freezing here today | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | so... | 03:07 |
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| dgbaley | Contrast is important. | 03:08 |
| dgbaley | But my $170 utility bill isn't the greatest thing | 03:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh | 03:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'll take my blazing hot any day | 03:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | where in colorado? | 03:09 |
| dgbaley | Boulder. I'm a grad student in the CS Department | 03:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ah, one of those CU kids | 03:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | i never got to boulder much. 36 sucks. | 03:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | i was in parker | 03:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ahh fun | 03:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wouldnt know about that kid thing | 03:14 |
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| dgbaley | Is there a way to disable security groups for an instance or egress filtering? I have two separate use-cases. i) I'd like to be able to host a DHCP server instance for our computer lab. ii) I have an instance with two nics and sometimes a packet will go out the other nic from when it came in on, but neutron filters it because the IP doesn't match what it thinks should be on the port. | 03:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you can disable secgroups entirely, not per-instance | 03:40 |
| dgbaley | Yeah that's not going to work | 03:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | do the ingress filters drop directed broadcast? | 03:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | or just block dhcp | 03:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, dhcp the other way | 03:42 |
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| dgbaley | They block outbound dhcp for all instances | 03:42 |
| dgbaley | So if I have an instance running dnsmasq, I get a DISCOVER but the OFFER is filtered | 03:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what happens if you allow 67/68? | 03:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont think those are user-configurable tho | 03:43 |
| dgbaley | Doesn't work, that's only an inbound filter | 03:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | right | 03:45 |
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| dgbaley | so after all that, IMO the install guide should have people enabling support for multiple backends and defining the single lvmiscsi backend as such | 03:53 |
| dgbaley | Because converting is not simple, it requires touching up the DB by hand | 03:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sounds reasonable | 03:54 |
| dgbaley | If anything the configuration is clearer because it groups some of the settings | 03:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | theres always a goal of making the install guide lead more easily to a prod environment without all the complications of a prod environment | 03:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | file a bug :) | 03:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | give examples | 03:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you're bored, you can even go fix it lol | 03:55 |
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| dgbaley | definitely not bored, that suggestion is probably as far as I'll go with it =/ I'd need a launchpad account to file a bug? | 03:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | yup | 03:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or ubuntu one, whatever it is these days | 03:58 |
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| dgbaley | ugh, i hate lp; are you a canonical employee? | 03:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | no, i work for rackspace. no one likes lp, but its better than bugzilla lol. | 03:58 |
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| nich0s | At least it’s not Trac. | 04:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | there are many worse options | 04:09 |
| nich0s | That there are. | 04:10 |
| nich0s | I’m partial towards the Atlassian soultions, but I don’t like the licensing. | 04:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | their wiki isnt bad | 04:10 |
| nich0s | Confluence is very clean. | 04:10 |
| nich0s | The ACLs and permissions are a little cludgy for end-users, but otherwise flexible. (as most things are when you’re admin) | 04:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | i like the wide variety of markup options | 04:11 |
| nich0s | Ah. Fair, fair. Valid point. | 04:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | as a docs writer, thats one of the things i look for | 04:15 |
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| nich0s | Github excels in that arena as well. | 04:16 |
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| dgbaley | Sam-I-Am: actually, by that sentiment, why gre over vxlan? The config is the same but aren't the latter better for a large production env? | 04:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | github is nifty | 04:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | dgbaley: for a long time, and even now, not all of the distributions supported by the install guide do vxlan well | 04:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | if it was up to me, i'd do linuxbridge+vxlan because ovs makes things so much more complex for first-timers | 04:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | but until redhat and its 'enterprise' friends move to a kernel from this decade, vxlan wont happen. | 04:20 |
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| dgbaley | Yeah what are the benefits of ovs over birdge? I tried to use bridges when I first started because I understand it, I've had so many long nights debugging ovs. | 04:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | theres no obvious reason for ovs | 04:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least these days | 04:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | it would be better if filters were implemented in it so it didnt need a linux bridge anyway for iptables | 04:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | until then, its just extra cruft | 04:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | interestingly, there's no code for linuxbridge+gre | 04:25 |
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| dgbaley | But linuxbridge+vxlan? And yeah I was really annoyed when I was first trying to debug ovs, after not really being able to configure linuxbridge and then realizing every VM has its own bridge anyway | 04:26 |
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| dgbaley | If for nothing else I'd love to clean up the output of "ip a/l" on my compute nodes | 04:27 |
| dgbaley | Well, I guess we just ruined my weekend. | 04:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | lb+vxlan/vlan/flat works | 04:28 |
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| dgbaley | Okay, but are there some features on the horizon that would make ovs better? Even if the security groups were handled in ovs and the linuxbridge parts were removed, I'd still prefer linuxbridge. | 04:29 |
| dgbaley | I hate having a userspace daemon required for my networking, and all sorts of weird issues with bonding and sometimes macvlans work, sometimes they don't, etc. | 04:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | for unexplained reasons, dvr only works with ovs | 04:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | hopefully that changes | 04:31 |
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| dgbaley | I was excited about DVR but it still requires a centralized component from something I read, either for dnat or snat, can't remember | 04:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | only for instances with a fixed ip | 04:32 |
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| dgbaley | Ah, but why? | 04:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wrote the docs for it | 04:32 |
| dgbaley | I'll read again | 04:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it does snat for those instances on the network node | 04:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | but l3 failover works | 04:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | or should | 04:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | have you seen the dvr docs? | 04:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | theyre not official yet | 04:33 |
| * nich0s is interested. | 04:33 | |
| dgbaley | I think this is what I read: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR | 04:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lol thats a joke | 04:34 |
| antons | remember the days of Cpanel ? what being used this days? | 04:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | https://github.com/ionosphere80/openstack-networking-guide/blob/master/scenario-dvr/scenario-dvr.md | 04:35 |
| dgbaley | So the dvr_snat is for instances with private IPs on a virtual network? Why can that not be done on the compute node? So the source IP remains fixed after a migration? | 04:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | dgbaley: that explains the traffic flows | 04:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | antons: yeah | 04:39 |
| antons | ? | 04:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | cpanel is more like PaaS | 04:39 |
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| antons | meaning>? | 04:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | its not IaaS like openstack | 04:40 |
| antons | which PaaS is best right now | 04:40 |
| antons | similar to heroku etc | 04:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | two different beasts | 04:40 |
| lastmikoi | i'd say something along the lines of Openshift, but they are very different | 04:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dunno, i dont speak paas | 04:41 |
| cyclonis | right now i have vmware esxi running | 04:41 |
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| cyclonis | is it possible to install openstack within vmware esxi | 04:42 |
| antons | so which billing/managment for vps you put on your iaas ? | 04:42 |
| cyclonis | and run cloud from with in the virtual machine | 04:42 |
| antons | WHMCS ? | 04:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | cyclonis: sure, but dont use it in production | 04:42 |
| antons | Virtualizor ? | 04:43 |
| cyclonis | hmmmm | 04:43 |
| cyclonis | is it that bad | 04:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | i only work with upstream, so not sure what people use for billing | 04:43 |
| antons | theres webuzo too | 04:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | cyclonis: why would you nest vms inside vms? | 04:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | its fine for testing | 04:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | or learning how to deploy openstack at least | 04:44 |
| cyclonis | yeah | 04:44 |
| antons | will proxmox play with openstack ? | 04:44 |
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| antons | thinking of one proxmox server and either kvm or openvz on other nodes | 04:45 |
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| antons | and throwing some esxi in that | 04:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | you'd have to see what hypervisors openstack can talk to | 04:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | i thought proxmox is just a wrapper for kvm | 04:46 |
| antons | it is :( | 04:46 |
| antons | but heavily edited | 04:46 |
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| antons | whats the minimum requirement for smallest openstack | 04:51 |
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| antons | in hardware | 04:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | depends what you want to do | 04:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | openstack itself for the basics (not including VMs) probably wants 4 gigs of ram | 04:51 |
| antons | what are the popular use cases for openstack this days | 04:51 |
| cyclonis | ok | 04:52 |
| antons | hybrid cloud, hosting, what else | 04:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | any sort of cloud stuff | 04:52 |
| antons | so back to hardware : networking - 1 edge - 1 firewall - 2 spine/2 leafs | 04:53 |
| antons | minimum right | 04:53 |
| antons | then 1 san, 1 controller, 1 processing node | 04:53 |
| antons | shitton of whiskey | 04:53 |
| antons | strippers | 04:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | you could run all openstack services (including vms) on one box, but not in production | 04:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 04:53 |
| antons | well im talking production - basic minimum for say DraaS servic es | 04:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | it'll exercise your brain and liver | 04:54 |
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| antons | what about nsx and openstack | 04:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | got money? | 04:54 |
| antons | for nsx ? | 04:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 04:54 |
| antons | whats the alternavie | 04:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | neutron | 04:55 |
| antons | hmm | 04:55 |
| antons | what about vmware support in your openstack ? | 04:55 |
| antons | and vxlan | 04:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | openstack can talk to esxi hosts | 04:55 |
| antons | havana supports vxlan | 04:56 |
| antons | nevermind | 04:56 |
| antons | so why would i need nsx than ?:) | 04:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you'd probably want to use icehouse or juno | 04:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anywho, i need sleep. | 04:57 |
| antons | ok till tomorow | 04:57 |
| vivcheri | Hi Sam | 04:57 |
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| antons | same here -time to finish 12 hours work shift | 04:57 |
| antons | blegh | 04:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | vivcheri: hi, i'm off to bed | 04:59 |
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| nunne | I have a compute node where all instance images are stored in /var/lib/nova/instances. If I pause all running instances it should be safe to move all files (including _base) to a new nfs partition and mount it as /var/lib/nova/instaces ? Or is there something I need to consider? | 07:15 |
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| nunne | or is it better to transfer the whole /var/lib/nova to the nfs partition instead? | 07:16 |
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| __ale__ | nova migrate doesnt seem to move the disk ? | 10:12 |
| __ale__ | we're using local storage only, but I believe libvirt does support block storage migration ? any ideas how to make nova use that when using "nova migrate" ? | 10:13 |
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| __ale__ | any ideas ? | 10:14 |
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| Dominique | After creating the external networks on openstack the routers appear to be missing. Do we need to add these manually, or should they be created automatically? | 10:48 |
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| Dominique | We have used --router:external=True during the creation as well | 10:53 |
| Flynn42 | Hi guys, I’m relatively new to openstack and working on my first install. The question I have now is if it is possible to have a very basic networking setup (if possbile without a network node) that basically launches instances on networks that are vlan based (so, a vlan on a bond interface on the compute nodes) without DHCP and other fancy stuff. Vlans will be preprovisioned on my network switches (cisco nexus) and will be transported to our MPLS cl | 10:56 |
| Flynn42 | routers/firewalls/loadbalancers are (and which are provisioned manually, not by openstack). | 10:56 |
| Flynn42 | I’m looking for a few pointers to get this working. Most of the docs talk about neutron and a network node and a setup with GRE tunnels, etc. | 10:57 |
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| _nick | __ale__: did you pass the --block-migrate argument to nova live-migration ? | 11:08 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: ping | 12:04 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha HenryG | 12:06 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: Hi there! Can you spend a few seconds on couple of small things ... | 12:07 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144399/11/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py | 12:07 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: ^^ the msg at line 453 | 12:08 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: Check the comment history to refresh your memory | 12:08 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: [2] Can you ping the right person to confirm https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145435/3/neutron/plugins/vmware/api_client/exception.py | 12:09 |
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| HenryG | That is all, thanks | 12:09 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: for [2], the change by itself is ok - but I expect a -2 to come soon because of the freeze imposed by the plugin split | 12:10 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: NP, will you comment there? | 12:11 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: sure | 12:11 |
| salv-orlando | for [1] I will review once I am done with lunch | 12:12 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Thanks! | 12:12 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: I lied. I have a third thing. | 12:12 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1404743 | 12:12 |
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| HenryG | See latest comment from Pavlo. I checked the syslog and the DHCP events seem strange, but I don't know if that is normal or not. | 12:13 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: we have seen a resurgence of ssh errorsduring this week. I do not think this is an issue specific to load balancing. I think mestery is on it. | 12:14 |
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| HenryG | Thanks, I will check with mestery. | 12:15 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Thanks, and have a good lunch | 12:15 |
| salv-orlando | if you check the gate status page bug 1370496 which has the signature of the ssh failure is one of the top offenders | 12:15 |
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| HenryG | My first thought when seeing the syslog was that leases are not being tracked properly | 12:17 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: could be. I have not yet looked at the logs. Im a bit busy this week | 12:18 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: NP, I will sync up with mestery and others who might know the dhcp agent better than me | 12:19 |
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| ganso | Hello guys. Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question, but I am booting an instance and trying to select the 2nd subnet from a network with 2 subnets, I am unable to select it, it always chooses the first subnet and the VM does not have connectivity to stuff in my 2nd subnet. Is there any workaround for this? | 13:23 |
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| txomon|fon | o/ | 14:01 |
| txomon|fon | anyone knows how to override virsh stuff per host? | 14:02 |
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| txomon|fon | per machine* | 14:02 |
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| txomon|fon | I want to override the serial console for example | 14:02 |
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| txomon|fon | to be available for some machines in a specific port | 14:02 |
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| Nek | Hello | 14:53 |
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| Nek | I was wondering if somebody can help me to understand how openstack works | 14:54 |
| Nek | why not in a private messages session to avoid disturbing the channel | 14:54 |
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| Nek | I'm a student and have to write a paper about but I don't understand the documentation | 14:54 |
| blinky_ghost | hi all, can anybody help me to configure keystone to use a memcached cluster backend? I use Juno. Thanks | 14:55 |
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| _nick | blinky_ghost: should be as simple as setting driver=keystone.token.backends.memcache.Token and adding a list of your memcache servers under [memcache] iirc (in keystone.conf) | 15:21 |
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| blinky_ghost | _nick: thanks | 15:33 |
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| blinky_ghost | _nick: it seems to be working but I'm seeing this on the logs: http://paste.openstack.org/show/156091/ | 15:41 |
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| jdandrea | Reality check Q: Given a KVM instance created w/o Nova, Does Ceilometer still collect the VM performance data you'd normally expect to see, or is Nova doing its own sampling, sending it to Ceilometer? | 16:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | jdandrea: nova samples and sends it to ceilometer via message queue | 16:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | there are ceilometer services running on the compute nodes though | 16:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so there might be some other things going on | 16:04 |
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| jdandrea | Sam-I-Am: Got it. If I understand, then, there are some things Nova samples, and then Ceilometer also checks in with the hypervisor for other things. | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems like it. not exactly sure of the split. | 16:06 |
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| jdandrea | Where is Release name voting taking place? I see https://launchpad.net/~openstack/+polls but it's missing the J and K voting. Did it move? | 16:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dunno | 16:43 |
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| jdandrea | Ah, they switched to surveymonkey.com for J, I see. | 16:46 |
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| schegi | hi, got a problem with openstack/ceph, when launching multiple instance creating new volumes the volume creation does not finish before nova times out and therefore instance creation fails. (20 instnaces, volume size 20Gig, image size 2.2 Gig) Single instances could be launched the same way without problems. | 17:34 |
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| minherz | Hello, can anyone advise in which channel I can discuss HA, FT, and self-stabilization subjects? | 17:45 |
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| go_habs_go | schegi : got same probleme on centos7 so upgrade python-oslo-messaging to v1.5.1 and rabbitmq to v3.4.2 or v3.4.3 | 17:51 |
| j05h | minherz: #openstack-operators | 17:51 |
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| schegi | go_habs_go: this solves the problem for you? | 18:10 |
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| go_habs_go | schegi: yes, also your image are to be raw format not qcow2 | 18:15 |
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| craftytech | hello | 18:48 |
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| JasonPlank | howdy | 18:48 |
| craftytech | question: Is openstack suitable to manage ec2 instances? | 18:49 |
| craftytech | like deploy, delete, etc.. | 18:49 |
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| craftytech | trying to see if I can manage both vmware and aws instances under one tool | 18:51 |
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| JasonPlank | the general use cases that you’d see on openstack w/ AWS are two fold: 1) OpenStack provides an EC2 compatiable API so you can migrate apps to an openstack env. 2) Running OpenStack on AWS (cloud-in a-cloud) type environment | 18:53 |
| JasonPlank | will let someone else chime in to see if they see things differently | 18:53 |
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| craftytech | thanks for the feedback Jason, it helps me not to go down the wrong path then :) | 19:07 |
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