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| AliRezaTaleghani | is there any open source solution for monitoring my opnestack env components like what offered by Zenoss commercial edition? | 09:09 |
| AliRezaTaleghani | or an start point vs idea how can I have some thing alike? | 09:09 |
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| _nick | AliRezaTaleghani: a lot of people use nagios / icinga for monitoring various components | 09:11 |
| _nick | it's not without its flaws however... | 09:11 |
| v92 | AliRezaTaleghani: have a look on ELK (elasticsearch - logstash - kibana) stack | 09:11 |
| _nick | there's also 'newer' options such as sensu or prometheus | 09:11 |
| _nick | or yeah, as v92 says - if it's logfiles then the usual ELK stack is pretty standard | 09:11 |
| AliRezaTaleghani | em, perfect, so I have some things to start working on, after a week of diving on Zenoss Community edition... :"> | 09:12 |
| _nick | there's already a decent-sized corpus of openstack-focussed configuration examples for those as well | 09:12 |
| _nick | AliRezaTaleghani: https://github.com/osops has examples across all those bits of technology i've mentioned | 09:12 |
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| chlong | Hi all is there a way to do a zero downtime rolling update of hosts using OS and in which Openstack release does that become a possibility. Using True Live Migration.? | 13:55 |
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| dasp | chlong: https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-videos/presentation/hold-my-beer-and-watch-this-upgrading-from-havana-to-juno-in-one-fell-swoop-with-live-customers | 14:02 |
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| chlong | dasp, thanks I'll check it out now :) | 14:09 |
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| clarkb | odyssey4me: you around? | 14:32 |
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| odyssey4me | clarkb yep | 14:32 |
| odyssey4me | busy looking through http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/logstash.html | 14:33 |
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| clarkb | cool. Probably the biggest difference here to a production setup is we don't trust our data sources so we pull from them rather than having them push. But once the logs are streaming everything else is similar | 14:35 |
| odyssey4me | clarkb that makes sense | 14:36 |
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| clarkb | and since the sources aren't pushing we have a small farm of nodes (~20 nodes running 4 pullers each) that grab the logs and run them through logstash and into elasticsearch | 14:38 |
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| clarkb | the ancient kibana install can be hit at http://logstash.openstack.org and there is a read only elasticsearch api proxy at http://logstash.openstack.org/elasticsearch | 14:38 |
| clarkb | so I think there are probably two major pieces of work that could be done to make this better. First is general upgrade of tools to modern ELK. Second is update of the logstash filter rules. I do not think these need to happen together or in any particular order | 14:40 |
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| odyssey4me | clarkb what versions of each component are installed? | 14:40 |
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| clarkb | odyssey4me: kibana is 2 (the old ruby server) because getting kibana3 to play nice iwth a read only api endpoint didn't go well, I think that may be better now as more people do that? Logstash is 1.3.3. Elasticsearch is 0.90.9 | 14:42 |
| clarkb | maybe it is just my experience but only about 1/5 logstash/elasticsearch releases were actually useable so the incentive to follow HEAD was neverthere for me. Was better to find things that worked and stick withe them (but now everything is ancient :/) | 14:43 |
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| clarkb | we are using the http es output in logstash to a local es non data node though so we can upgrade logstash independently of ES | 14:45 |
| odyssey4me | clarkb well, we're running Kibana 3 (v4 removes Apache as a web server and replaces it with its own), logstash 1.5 and elasticsearch 1.5.2 and it seems to be working pretty well | 14:45 |
| clarkb | ok thats good to hear | 14:45 |
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| odyssey4me | hmm, apologies - logstash 1.4 not 1.5 | 14:46 |
| clarkb | it should be straightforward to upgrade logstash to 1.4 and keep using the http output with older es, then upgrade es at an appropriate time as that grinds log processing to a halt | 14:47 |
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| odyssey4me | is this all running on Ubuntu instances? how would an upgrade process be done? | 14:48 |
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| clarkb | yes its all running on ubuntu instances configured by puppet and orchestrated by ansible | 14:49 |
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| clarkb | so upgrade in both cases would be making a change to puppet to use the newer version (and any related configuration changes) then if safe just have that apply at will (should be case for logstash but not es) and if it needs orchestration I think we can bake that into ansible | 14:50 |
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| clarkb | the last time I did ES upgrade I cheated a little because that was the big scary lucene version jump and I triggered puppet by hand and kept a close watch on everything | 14:51 |
| odyssey4me | alright, how does one go about testing this? if a review is submitted is there any sort of test build that can be done to validate that it works and doesn't break anything? | 14:51 |
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| clarkb | if we want to do that again just to get the ball rolling we can likely do that too | 14:51 |
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| clarkb | odyssey4me: there is no test build for that yet. We are currently in the process of having beaker setup for our puppet modules | 14:51 |
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| clarkb | odyssey4me: I have tried to decouple all the pieces as much as possible in the past so that you don't need a full stack to test it. For example you can just run $kibana locally against the production es server | 14:53 |
| clarkb | odyssey4me: and you can run a log through filters without ES | 14:53 |
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| odyssey4me | yeah, the filters aren't too much trouble - the only question would be how we can facilitate the filters being co-developed between multiple contributors in a way that it is consumable easily | 14:54 |
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| odyssey4me | ie perhaps in their own repo | 14:55 |
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| clarkb | ya, we may want to pull the filters out to somewhere less infra specific then we can pull them in like others would | 14:56 |
| clarkb | and for testing once beaker is working (last needed bit is updating all of the modules to the required pre merge versions) we could in theory supply test input logs that we check against hte output | 14:57 |
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| odyssey4me | sounds like a plan - maybe in stackforge? something like 'openstack-logstash-filters' | 14:58 |
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| clarkb | sounds reasonable to me (I know jeblair would probably prefer openstack/something though because big tent) | 14:59 |
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| jeblair | yeah, openstack/openstack-logstash-filters sounds like a good idea; no need to make them less official than they already are :) | 15:01 |
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| odyssey4me | clarkb sure, that would make sense - not sure what the requirements for that are though... I suppose this would become a project in its own right and go through the motions | 15:01 |
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| odyssey4me | clarkb alright, assuming a review goes in for the update of the logstash version deployed, how does the actual update get triggered once the review has merged? | 15:03 |
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| odyssey4me | (and same for the filters) | 15:04 |
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| clarkb | odyssey4me: we run ansible every ~half hour which triggers puppet on the machines. So once the update review has merged, puppet master gets updated then ansible runs puppet on the machines pulling in those updates | 15:04 |
| clarkb | if you need to do things in a specific order you can update the ansible playbook to affect order of operations too, let me get a link to that | 15:05 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, sounds reasonable - and if all hell breaks loose then how easy is it to roll back - is it simply a revert? | 15:06 |
| clarkb | odyssey4me: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/run_all.sh that is the script and playbooks are at https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/openstack_project/files/ansible/playbooks | 15:06 |
| odyssey4me | and how does one monitor the progress or debug success/failure of the puppet run | 15:06 |
| clarkb | odyssey4me: for logstash yes | 15:06 |
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| clarkb | I imagine that ES doesn't handle rollbacks gracefully as they seem to change lucene often enough that the indexes might no longer be compatible? | 15:06 |
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| clarkb | but I think we can do logstash independent of ES for now so not too worried about that | 15:07 |
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| odyssey4me | clarkb yeah, change from that old version of ES will require a bit more research | 15:08 |
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| clarkb | odyssey4me: for monitoring progress of the puppet run you would refer to http://puppetboard.openstack.org/ | 15:09 |
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| clarkb | you can filter the nodes on logstash to get a list of the related nodes | 15:09 |
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| clarkb | and from there you can get the last set of puppet runs | 15:09 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, that makes sense | 15:10 |
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| odyssey4me | kibana will be similar, so that's easy enough | 15:11 |
| clarkb | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-logstash/tree/manifests/init.pp#n42 also pretty sure that nastyness can die as ES hosts deb packages now thanks to electrical | 15:12 |
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| odyssey4me | clarkb ah yes - we use the deb packages - we may have to check whether the file locations have changed and implement file removals if necessary | 15:14 |
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| n1 | quick question is this Nova QOS supported in icehouse https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/InstanceResourceQuota | 15:14 |
| n1 | another questions this the official documentation page for QOS ? | 15:14 |
| clarkb | ya I think they likely have, do the deb packages come with upstart/init/something scripts too? if so I think its all a win to switch that over | 15:15 |
| odyssey4me | clarkb I think so - will check, but if they don't we have templates for those. | 15:15 |
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| clarkb | odyssey4me: ya we have some upstart files, but hopefully don't need them anymore | 15:15 |
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| odyssey4me | clarkb I don't see reference to the kibana configs anywhere? | 15:20 |
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| clarkb | odyssey4me: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-kibana/ they are a different module | 15:22 |
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| visualne | Has anyone in here ever seen issues similiar to this when trying to span inbound traffic into ovs? https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/61305/issue-regarding-port-mirroring/ | 15:23 |
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| faddat | so I’ve 5 i5’s with 32GB: Where to start if I want to install openstack on them? Purpose: Hosting Dockers & the like | 15:24 |
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| clarkb | odyssey4me: I need to pop out now, but others in #openstack-infra should be able to answer any more questions too | 15:28 |
| clarkb | odyssey4me: hope this helped | 15:28 |
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| odyssey4me | clarkb thanks, this is a good start :) | 15:28 |
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| vivek_ | how to achive highly available compute nodes using kvm? | 16:32 |
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| vivek_ | or say highly available kvm instances? | 16:32 |
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| rlrevell1 | vivek_: i don't think it's possible. if a compute node goes down, all hypervisor state for those VMs will be lost. i think the openstack philosophy is if you want HA use redundant load balanced instsances | 16:42 |
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| dasp | vivek_: if you have shared storage (like RBD with main instance disk in it) you can do host-evacuate as soon as you see a hypervisor die | 18:02 |
| dasp | that would result in just RAM loss and a reboot of all instances from that dead hypervisor, that's the quickest fail-over that is possible I believe | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | Sam-I-Am: can you join us in -neutron? | 18:20 |
| anteaya | unless you are unable to do so, in which case, take your time | 18:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | anteaya: sure | 18:22 |
| anteaya | ah | 18:22 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:22 |
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| trozet | hello I have a neutron-dhcp-agent related question if there are any neutron experts in here | 20:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | trozet: such as? | 21:54 |
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| trozet | hi Sam-I-Am | 21:54 |
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| trozet | Sam-I-Am: problem is when I create an instance it looks like the new instance info is never updated into dnsmasq hosts file | 21:55 |
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| trozet | so subsequent dhcp requests are dropped by dnsmasq with error 108 no address available | 21:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats odd. typical install? | 21:57 |
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