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| skullone | is anyone familiar with any tools that can centrally manage multiple, discreet openstack environments as one? | 04:01 |
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| skullone | hrm, Cloudforms seems to be what im looking for | 04:09 |
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| cybing4 | hi, i have a question about "fuel add mongo" ? Do you have anything good idea? | 05:14 |
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| fabian4 | Hi,I have a question about fuel add node "mongo",Do you enything have a good idea? | 05:21 |
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| myname_ | just out of curiosity wanted to know if there is a microsoft equivalent of openstack??? not azure, something i can setup and use? | 07:23 |
| Anonissimus | sco | 07:23 |
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| Anonissimus | service center orchestrator | 07:23 |
| myname_ | let me check.. thanks..:) | 07:24 |
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| BruceQ | Azure on-prem? | 07:24 |
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| myname_ | BruceQ thanks. will check that as well.. :) | 07:29 |
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| NickW | For anyone who's curious, tracked down the bug with deploying glance-simple-streams - if you're on 15.04, it'll attempt to juju up a vivid container (which doesn't work yet) | 07:52 |
| NickW | Regardless of what you set for --series | 07:52 |
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| telnes | hello, if I want to have automatique IP on my VM ext interface, need I to add a dhcp on the ext-net | 08:11 |
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| the_doctor | hi there. I’m looking for an API endpoint to list all availability zones, and can’t seem to find that. can anyone point me in the right direction? | 08:22 |
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| telnes | the_doctor >nova availability-zone-list | 08:33 |
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| the_doctor | telnes: I need API endpoint, not command line, I don’t think this helps me. I’m missing this feature in fog so I want to contribute to it to support that endpoint, but can’t find how it’s done in the api ref. | 08:38 |
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| BruceQ | I think you'll have better luck in openstack-dev | 08:41 |
| the_doctor | is it this? /v2/os-availability-zone | 08:41 |
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| odyssey4me | raginbajin ping | 09:34 |
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| epcim_ | Pls, help me with deployment configuration - what network services to deploy to compute nodes (neutron)? I use openstack-chef-cookbooks, so is openstack-network-client recipe enough or do I need more (like l3 agent, openvswitch, ...) | 10:15 |
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| Dyon | it depends what you would like to do :-) do you want linux bridges, or would you like to use OVS? - basicly it are choises you have to make | 10:16 |
| epcim_ | just OVS | 10:16 |
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| epcim_ | sure, it's test/demo environment. I just wanna deploy multi node openstack. It works for me, but I can't ping the VM's so I guess something wrong on compute nodes.. | 10:17 |
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| epcim_ | basically should I install l3 agent on compute node as well? | 10:18 |
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| odyssey4me | epcim_ where are you pinging the instances from? and how? | 10:19 |
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| odyssey4me | have you deployed using vlan's, gre tunnels, vxlan, or what? | 10:19 |
| odyssey4me | where are you pinging from and to? | 10:19 |
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| epcim_ | odyssey4me: well I cant even VNC to n nodes on "tenant networks", nodes on external nework are OK. I can't ping internal or even exteral net Ip's of VMs from conroller node | 10:21 |
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| odyssey4me | epcim_ if you've implemented namespaces then you'll never be able to get to the instances directly | 10:21 |
| holahola | Openstack Swift. I know there is no reason to run backup of this. But some one need to be sure in a pilot period. I find Swift backup driver. Have anyone tried to use TSM to backup Swift ? | 10:21 |
| odyssey4me | you'd have to hop into the namespace on the L3 Agent, then ping from there | 10:22 |
| epcim_ | ok, but at least pinging floating IP should work right? | 10:22 |
| odyssey4me | and that wopuld assume that your GRE tunnels are working and your instances have IP's (ie were able to get DHCP) | 10:22 |
| odyssey4me | pinging a floating IP would only work if you've setup the rules to allow it in the tenant | 10:22 |
| epcim_ | odyssey4me: hmm.. then I need to review that.. | 10:22 |
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| odyssey4me | and again that would only work if your L3 Agent is running and your GRE tunnels are working | 10:22 |
| odyssey4me | if you're using GRE | 10:23 |
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| epcim_ | odyssey4me: pardon... leaving for lunch with friens, I will ping you later.. (sorry, not my choice)_ | 10:23 |
| epcim_ | thx | 10:23 |
| odyssey4me | okie dokey | 10:23 |
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| epcim_ | odyssey4me: hi, sorry for the interuption, r u here? | 11:15 |
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| epcim_ | odyssey4me: "that would only work if your L3 Agent is running" ... you mean L3 agent on compute node and network node or L3 agent on network node only? | 11:16 |
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| odyssey4me | epcim_ that would depend on your architecture | 11:31 |
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| odyssey4me | are you using a network node with the l3 agent on it, or are you using DVR and thus the l3 agent on your compute nodes? | 11:31 |
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| odyssey4me | l3 agent on compute nodes only works if you've setup dvr | 11:31 |
| epcim_ | odyssey4me: ok, well it's simple now 3 nodes (1 controller 2 compute). 2 network (management+external is first, the second is for vmdata) | 11:32 |
| odyssey4me | otherwise you'd have to have setup a network node with the l3 agent located there | 11:32 |
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| epcim_ | I have tried with one interface first, but as I understood it's possible, but some contstraint's and you are required to do more bridges. etc.. | 11:33 |
| odyssey4me | by vmdata you mean the internal networks? | 11:33 |
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| epcim_ | so I added a second network interface to controller and compute nodes. | 11:33 |
| odyssey4me | are you using vlans or some form of tunnelling for the internal networks? | 11:33 |
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| epcim_ | guidme what's most simple. I started with GRE, but then I found tutorial with vxlan :-D So now vxlan is configured.. | 11:34 |
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| odyssey4me | vxlan with linux bridge is the simplest, OVS adds complexity | 11:35 |
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| odyssey4me | but linuxbridge has limited functionality (no DVR, for instance) | 11:35 |
| epcim_ | well OVS is the thing I have tried to learn in last three days | 11:35 |
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| epcim_ | let's rather go with OVS (it's already in place) | 11:36 |
| odyssey4me | setting something up with the chef cookbooks should be fairly automated if you specifically follow how they're expecting you to set things up | 11:36 |
| odyssey4me | I can't help with that - you should probably try the #openstack-chef channel for that | 11:36 |
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| epcim_ | let me have a question, where on compute node I do have to configure eth1 as "vm data network" what component consumes this configuration? | 11:37 |
| odyssey4me | if you do it the way the cookbooks expect, then it should be automagic | 11:37 |
| odyssey4me | epcim_ I can't answer that, that depends on your architecture. Also, I'm super-rusty on how to use OVS... we've opted to use linuxbridge/vxlan because it's a lot simpler to figure out and understandable by most linux systems engineers. | 11:38 |
| epcim_ | well the openstack-chef-repo (the master branch for "kilo/juno +neutron" is here, but not finished. So for example I do have to create ovs br-ex + other on network/controlle node on my own. (+ apply some fixes and patches to make it running) | 11:38 |
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| epcim_ | odyssey4me: ok, I will check linxbridge as well | 11:39 |
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| epcim_ | odyssey4me: are you running multi node infrastructure? | 11:39 |
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| odyssey4me | epcim_ I'm part of the development team for Rackspace Private Cloud, currently core developer for #openstack-ansible / os-ansible-deployment. So I don't run/operate any OpenStack on a long term basis any more. | 11:41 |
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| ygk | hi all | 11:42 |
| ygk | i want information on how to interpret openflow dumps in openvswitch | 11:43 |
| ygk | any documentation which deal with basics of openflow rules ? | 11:43 |
| epcim_ | odyssey4me: anyway, thanks for help | 11:43 |
| ygk | i searched the internet but could not find any usefu documentation | 11:43 |
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| odyssey4me | epcim_ good luck - the best advice I can give when starting out is to try and use components you're familiar with first, then expand your view... trying to learn too much in one go is near impossible | 11:45 |
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| raginbajin | odyssey4me: pong | 12:51 |
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| telnes | why on the dashboard I see 8 vcpu ? | 12:53 |
| telnes | instead of 2x ( (4x4)x2 ) => 64 | 12:53 |
| telnes | 2 computes with 4 proc with 4 cores and ht is presente | 12:54 |
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| odyssey4me | raginbajin have you managed to work out some dates/times for the meetings to dicsuss ops monitoring/logging tools? | 13:07 |
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| FrankyG | Hello all, Can I please have assistance with installing keystone, Im receiving the error Access denied for user 'keystone'@'localhost' when executing openstack service create --name keystone --description "OpenStack Identity" identity | 13:15 |
| FrankyG | Host is RHEL7.1 X64 | 13:15 |
| telnes | need to create the admon_openrc.sh file | 13:16 |
| telnes | admin | 13:16 |
| telnes | https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/27569/admin-openrcsh/ | 13:16 |
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| telnes | http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/install-guide/install/apt/content/keystone-verify.html | 13:17 |
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| luv | umm, actually it looks like a permission denied from mysql | 13:18 |
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| FrankyG | Ive verified the password as am able to connect via $ mysql -u keystone -p | 13:18 |
| luv | 127.0.0.1 vs unix socket? | 13:19 |
| luv | probably not | 13:19 |
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| FrankyG | @cheers luv | 13:19 |
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| FrankyG | @luv | 13:21 |
| FrankyG | @luv: this also works -> mysql -h localhost -u keystone -p | 13:21 |
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| telnes | did you add environement variable ? | 13:23 |
| luv | journalctl -u mysql | 13:24 |
| telnes | try this : keystone --os-username=admin --os-password=ADMIN_PASS --os-auth-url=http://controller:35357/v2.0 token-get | 13:24 |
| luv | journactl -u keystone | 13:24 |
| luv | yup and try what telnes is saying :) | 13:24 |
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| FrankyG | i have OS variables set | 13:31 |
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| FrankyG | OS_TOKEN & OS_URL | 13:31 |
| FrankyG | $OS_TOKEN & $OS_URL | 13:31 |
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| FrankyG | httpd is listening on 35357 | 13:32 |
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| telnes | you are in which page of the manual :) | 13:32 |
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| FrankyG | Openstack (Kilo) Install Guide RHEL7 --> Page 37 | 13:33 |
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| FrankyG | @telnes: dont remember creating an admin user? | 13:34 |
| FrankyG | from the guide | 13:34 |
| telnes | ok | 13:34 |
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| telnes | try export OS_SERVICE_ENDPOINT=http://controller:35357/v2.0 | 13:38 |
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| telnes | not OS_URL | 13:38 |
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| telnes | export -p | grep OS_ | 13:39 |
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| FrankyG | @telnes: OK trying now | 13:43 |
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| FrankyG | looks like this now | 13:44 |
| FrankyG | xport -p | grep OS_ | 13:44 |
| FrankyG | declare -x OS_SERVICE_ENDPOINT="http://controller:35357/v2.0" | 13:44 |
| FrankyG | declare -x OS_TOKEN="47eb977c32b06221cd89" | 13:44 |
| FrankyG | 13:44 | |
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| FrankyG | @telnes: shall i now execute --> openstack service create --name keystone --description "OpenStack Identity" identity | 13:45 |
| telnes | yes try | 13:45 |
| FrankyG | K | 13:45 |
| FrankyG | same --> OperationalError: (OperationalError) (1045, "Access denied for user 'keystone'@'localhost' (using password: YES)") None None | 13:46 |
| telnes | ... | 13:46 |
| luv | that's mysql access denied, not keystone man | 13:46 |
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| telnes | yep | 13:46 |
| luv | it's strange it works from command line | 13:46 |
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| FrankyG | sure, just trying to figure out why? | 13:46 |
| FrankyG | it does work from cmd line | 13:47 |
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| telnes | go back in configuration and check what you did wrong :/ | 13:48 |
| luv | can you run with --debug and confirm the password in the log debug is correct | 13:48 |
| luv | (maybe the connect string is getting overwritten somewhere?) | 13:48 |
| luv | but the password is strip in the log so so you won't see it, oh well | 13:48 |
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| luv | so i would change the connect string to something else, run the "openstack service create .... " and see if the host has changed | 13:49 |
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| telnes | restart http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/install-guide/install/yum/content/keystone-install.html | 13:50 |
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| FrankyG | full output http://pastebin.com/1bi2P31D | 13:50 |
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| FrankyG | @telnes, OK will restart as you described | 13:51 |
| telnes | did you Grant proper access to the keystone database | 13:51 |
| FrankyG | @telnes: yes | 13:51 |
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| FrankyG | connection = mysql://keystone:password@control/keystone | 13:53 |
| FrankyG | my connection string in /etc/keystone/keystone.conf | 13:53 |
| FrankyG | mgt interface is known as control | 13:53 |
| FrankyG | @luv: is this the connection string you are talking about...thanks? | 13:54 |
| luv | it is | 13:54 |
| FrankyG | K thanks | 13:54 |
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| telnes | not a god idea to rename the controller | 13:54 |
| FrankyG | @telnes: assumed it was the hostname of mgt interface | 13:55 |
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| jskinner | is there an API to call shutdown to a virtual machine that is not owned by the admin tenant? | 14:18 |
| jskinner | as an admin user | 14:18 |
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| jskinner | the documentation doesn't show one. I see suspend, but that is it. | 14:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | FrankyG: whats in your wsgi-keystone.conf file | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | FrankyG: also, this smells like rhel/centos? | 14:38 |
| FrankyG | yes, its RHEL7.1 again | 14:38 |
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| FrankyG | @Sam-I-Am: http://pastebin.com/Z4S2gHfQ | 14:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | FrankyG: for the 'wsgidaemonprocess' line, you need to add 'group=keystone' after 'user=keystone' | 14:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | this is in the install guide | 14:41 |
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| FrankyG | @Sam-I-Am: thank you, checking now... | 14:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | reload apache after that change | 14:43 |
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| FrankyG | K | 14:43 |
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| FrankyG | @Sam-I-am: that worked, thank you | 14:45 |
| FrankyG | I check the doc, though, its now in there? | 14:45 |
| FrankyG | :s/now/not | 14:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | it should be | 14:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | 'to configure the apache http server' step 2 | 14:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i see it | 14:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | user=keystone group=keystone | 14:46 |
| FrankyG | yes, it is on the site, i downloaded the PDF | 14:46 |
| FrankyG | its not in the PDF | 14:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | when did you download the pdf? | 14:47 |
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| FrankyG | a couple of weeks ago | 14:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats why | 14:47 |
| FrankyG | ive check the new one & its in there | 14:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wouldnt use pdfs | 14:47 |
| FrankyG | thank you once again! | 14:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | they become outdated quickly | 14:47 |
| FrankyG | OK | 14:47 |
| FrankyG | agreed! | 14:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | especially right after a release | 14:47 |
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| FrankyG | Ill be sure to use the online kilo guide | 14:48 |
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| FrankyG | In regards to python-webob issue the other evening, redhat have not officially released it yet ( RPM) so had to use the CENTOS one... | 14:49 |
| FrankyG | which is how i got past that dep issue | 14:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | FrankyG: i figured that one out too | 14:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | FrankyG: its also in the install guide now | 14:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's another repo you need | 14:52 |
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| primechuck | Is there an admin API to migrate a VM off a host for maintenance? Or otherwise issue an evacuation for all VMs on a host? | 15:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | primechuck: nova has an evacuate command | 15:02 |
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| _nick | iirc the evacuate command only works if you're using xen | 15:05 |
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| _nick | you'll have to live migrate all instances manually, or use a handy script to do just that | 15:05 |
| * _nick rummages around for said script | 15:05 | |
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| tkramer | I could use that script.. I need to pull some hardware out of our deployment as well | 15:09 |
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| primechuck | Evacuate doesn't seem to handle migrating all things. The use case is, a nova node is being removed from cloud. It might have VMs on it in various states with various tennants. There doesn't seem to be a single way to move all VMs, including VMs that are in a suspended state. | 15:12 |
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| _nick | fwiw it's being worked on: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/liberty/approved/robustify_evacuate.html | 15:16 |
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| _nick | can't find this damn script, it wouldn't be too hard to knock one up but i recall someone posting something to openstack-operators right around the time of the venom vuln | 15:17 |
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| _nick | ah hah | 15:18 |
| _nick | tkramer / primechuck: https://github.com/xavpaice/openstack-tools/blob/master/livemigrate_instances.py | 15:18 |
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| tkramer | _nick: Thanks! | 15:31 |
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| primechuck | Oh, cool, I had already implimented a lot of that, feel sad :) But there isn't a state similar to Maintenance Mode for other orchesetration that will evacuate all resources from a node placed in that state? | 15:31 |
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| _nick | primechuck: there is, but the hypervisor support for it is limited - hence the workarounds | 15:49 |
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| primechuck | Ah, is there a hypervisor it works with? | 15:50 |
| _nick | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/support-matrix.html#operation_evacuate | 15:51 |
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| primechuck | Aha! That is the table I was looking for | 15:52 |
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| Lyncos | There is something I'm not getting.... why when I spawn 130Vm's they all spawn on the same hypverisor node ? | 15:56 |
| Lyncos | one node have 130 vm's and all the others have 0 | 15:56 |
| Lyncos | I'm not getting it | 15:56 |
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| primechuck | Is there a way to migrate suspended VMs? | 16:06 |
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| visbits | anyone ever gotten fcoe + linux bridge + ovs working lol | 17:00 |
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| championofcyrodi | can anyone explain why my neutron services are actually running... but the init.rd scripts showing them stopped? | 17:18 |
| championofcyrodi | specifically neutron. | 17:18 |
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| championofcyrodi | Juno HA deployment w/ 3 controllers. | 17:18 |
| championofcyrodi | essentially, i'm trying to increase my dhcp lease duration. (which i have done) | 17:19 |
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| championofcyrodi | but i have this process running: | 17:19 |
| championofcyrodi | neutron 10057 1 2 Apr23 ? 21:37:22 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/neutron-dhcp-agent --config-file=/etc/neutron/neutron.conf --config-file=/etc/neutron/dhcp_agent.ini --log-file=/var/log/neutron/dhcp-agent.log | 17:19 |
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| championofcyrodi | but: neutron-dhcp-agent is stopped | 17:20 |
| championofcyrodi | when i start the agent, i get a second process running | 17:20 |
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| championofcyrodi | neutron agent-show c8c1fb43-120a-48ea-8a7d-940cc9719d7d, results with the updated lease time. but when i 'stop' the service, it goes back to the default of 120 via the currently running process. | 17:21 |
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| championofcyrodi | is it okay to just 'kill 10057' then start the dhcp service? | 17:21 |
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| championofcyrodi | i guess i'm trying to understand how the service was initially started w/o the init.d script. | 17:21 |
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| championofcyrodi | pacemaker/corosync or something? | 17:22 |
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| championofcyrodi | aww snap | 17:22 |
| championofcyrodi | found it! | 17:22 |
| championofcyrodi | Started: [ node-46.ccri.com node-50.ccri.com node-54.ccri.com ] | 17:22 |
| championofcyrodi | p_neutron-dhcp-agent(ocf::mirantis:neutron-agent-dhcp):Started node-50.ccri.com | 17:23 |
| championofcyrodi | after several hours! | 17:23 |
| championofcyrodi | its pcs | 17:23 |
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| jimi_ | jaypipes, May I private message you? It's not related to openstack, so I didn't know if I should/could ask in the channel. | 18:06 |
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| championofcyrodi | figured out my dhcp lease renewal issues | 18:11 |
| championofcyrodi | http://championofcyrodiil.blogspot.com/2015/06/openstack-dhcp-lease-renewing-every.html | 18:11 |
| championofcyrodi | if anyone cares | 18:12 |
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| MilesDenver | Mine are a bit hyperactive. | 18:13 |
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| MilesDenver | more line 1280 seconds | 18:13 |
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| championofcyrodi | so like, 20 mins? | 18:14 |
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| championofcyrodi | im not even 100% sure dhcp renewals are the cause of regular interrupts between clients and VMs... im just hoping | 18:15 |
| MilesDenver | yea… it works. I have plenty of IPs in the FIXED space. We do build and destroy about 1000 vms a day, but it's 10 at a time | 18:16 |
| championofcyrodi | i could have ran a ping test every 1s and see if it drops one or two at the renwal time | 18:16 |
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| championofcyrodi | ah. I used openstack internally for developers, and only have about 20 developers active at any given time... but it's growing on them and getting more and more use every month. | 18:16 |
| MilesDenver | ah… well… my renewals have gone cleanly and unnoticed by end users. DHCP will requrest a new leace before the old one expires…. you should never be without an IP | 18:17 |
| championofcyrodi | i use* | 18:17 |
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| championofcyrodi | hmmm | 18:17 |
| championofcyrodi | i might be over burdening our cluster... | 18:17 |
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| MilesDenver | championofcyrodi: automated testing is what causes my higher vlume | 18:17 |
| championofcyrodi | 1 dhcp agent for about 20 VMs | 18:17 |
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| championofcyrodi | we're running Hadoop+Accumulo+Zookeeper, aka VPCs. | 18:18 |
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| championofcyrodi | so users A kicks off a mapreduce job and the whole cluster takes a hit | 18:18 |
| championofcyrodi | also using 1 switch @ 1Gbps w/ VLANs | 18:18 |
| MilesDenver | http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_DHCPLeaseLifeCycleOverviewAllocationReallocationRe.htm | 18:19 |
| championofcyrodi | it was supposed to be test hardware to see if Openstack is viable.... 9 months later people are using it and i havent gotten a budget increase for it. Small Business woes. :\ | 18:19 |
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| MilesDenver | lol… mine is a similar story. Users gonna use. | 18:20 |
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| MilesDenver | championofcyrodi: how is your disk I/O holding up? | 18:21 |
| championofcyrodi | thanks for the link. I've been an end user of DHCP for many years, but have never needed to dive in to it's inner workings. Baremetal clusters of the past have all been static ips | 18:21 |
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| championofcyrodi | using nothing but ceph, so should be striping across disks that are allocated just for storage and not a single disk is thrashed. | 18:22 |
| championofcyrodi | problem is, 1Gbps bandwidth between OSDs... i believe | 18:22 |
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| championofcyrodi | i need to really monitor i/o wait on the VMs rather than the OSDs themselves. | 18:22 |
| championofcyrodi | i run this on my ceph nodes: | 18:23 |
| championofcyrodi | watch -n 10 -d 'for i in "node-47" "node-51" "node-52" "node-53";do ssh -q $i iostat -m; done;' | 18:23 |
| MilesDenver | yea… that may be a problem. monitoring on the VMs is pretty critical. You may want to do some iozone testing. simulate some load | 18:23 |
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| championofcyrodi | but disk i/o on the VMs themselves is horrible. | 18:25 |
| MilesDenver | It's just a thought… but disk I/O is what gets me. We are working to alleviate that now. | 18:25 |
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| championofcyrodi | i've seen as low as 20Mb/sec for unbuffered reads | 18:25 |
| championofcyrodi | my guess is that i could fix it w/ some infiniband switch and NICs.... | 18:26 |
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| MilesDenver | I did some LACP bonding and joined NICs together. | 18:26 |
| championofcyrodi | well, i have 10Gbps fiber between public and VIP controller... | 18:26 |
| MilesDenver | wrote a puppet module for it because… I hate trying to do that sort of stuff in the event of a 2AM disaster | 18:26 |
| championofcyrodi | but 1Gbps on the backend... | 18:26 |
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| championofcyrodi | i have many NICs on the back end of the VIP controller... but each CEPH node only has 1 NIC currently. regrettably, my initial deployment was w/ mirantis fuel deployer on centos. so there are a lot of configurations that I can't change w/o diving in to their puppet/mcollective/docker configs. | 18:28 |
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| MilesDenver | I always wanted to try Mirantis fuel. | 18:28 |
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| MilesDenver | The CEPH nodes physically have one NIC? You are making me sad. | 18:29 |
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| championofcyrodi | one issue i have is that each server is running "Compute+CEPH", so one NIC is claimed for PUBLIC and one NIC for openstack... because of the limitation of the ui/cli conditional checks... although I'm running HA w/ proxy... i can't utilize both NICs because it wants to 'keep' one reserved for public access. | 18:30 |
| championofcyrodi | I make myself sad. | 18:30 |
| championofcyrodi | I bit off more than i could chew in one sitting... so it's just been me, learning everything i can about the entire openstack project to support many users | 18:31 |
| MilesDenver | Well, I suppose the challenge is to prove you bottleneck… predict the next bottleneck and see if ou can find a solution. | 18:31 |
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| championofcyrodi | yes. I did print off graphs showing the switch port utilization sitting at 100% for all the NICs... | 18:31 |
| championofcyrodi | and explained that i think we should upgrade the switch and NICs used by the cluster. | 18:31 |
| championofcyrodi | but that would cost more money, and you know how that goes. | 18:32 |
| MilesDenver | Well… no more performance…. time to institute disk i/o austerity measures. | 18:32 |
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| championofcyrodi | i'm thinking i could attach eSATA disks to each node, and set up an alternate Volume Type. so VMs that need heavy disk i/o could be allocated to that. | 18:33 |
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| championofcyrodi | but i like ceph because, well... raw snapshots, live migrations, etc. | 18:33 |
| championofcyrodi | here is something gross... my switch: http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-SRW2048-48-port-Gigabit-Switch/dp/B000CRUBBE | 18:33 |
| championofcyrodi | $9K of hardware, interconnected w/ $125 switch. | 18:34 |
| MilesDenver | I wonder is local disk would be faster for you? You'd lose redundancy, but your team must understand what the trade offs are. OpenStack is inexpensive | 18:34 |
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| championofcyrodi | I left a fortune 500 to work for a small biz... probably worse choice ever. | 18:35 |
| championofcyrodi | but i'm learning about 20% of many things, instead of 90% of one thing. | 18:36 |
| championofcyrodi | not sure which is better/worse yet. | 18:36 |
| championofcyrodi | only been here a year | 18:37 |
| championofcyrodi | so i just ran these tests consecutively...http://paste.openstack.org/show/263608/ | 18:38 |
| championofcyrodi | where ceph+rbd is /dev/vda | 18:38 |
| championofcyrodi | clearly there is a caching tier at play | 18:38 |
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| einarr | championofcyrodi: that switch is only 1 Gb/s, if you linked to the correct one. that will be slow no matter what you do. | 18:41 |
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| championofcyrodi | einarr: yep | 18:42 |
| einarr | local disk will almost definately be better if you are limited to 1 Gb/s. | 18:42 |
| championofcyrodi | just need to figure out how to add local disk as an option | 18:42 |
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| einarr | depends on what you use the system for, i guess. but my first choice would be better networking. | 18:44 |
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| championofcyrodi | so some VMs are hardly used. like simple tomcat w/ postgres for 1-3 users MAX... most everything is always cached and disk i/o is almost irrelevant. However, redundancy is important. I think ceph is a better choice, even at 1gbps; since the data is crucial. | 18:46 |
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| championofcyrodi | in other VMs, there are write-ahead logs at play which are HEAVY disk i/o... | 18:46 |
| championofcyrodi | so i'd like to have the option to choose say... SSD physical disk on the hypervisor for those volumes | 18:47 |
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| championofcyrodi | with the understanding it can't be live migrated, and is not replicated. | 18:47 |
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| championofcyrodi | e.g. a twitter stream being written to key-value store, then normalized and re distributed amongst N number of VMs... thats where I'd like physical disks on the hypervisor. | 18:48 |
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| championofcyrodi | and could run a nightly backup to ceph or some other redundant storage device | 18:49 |
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| MilesDenver | Local is a great solution is everything is ephemeral. If you can simple redeploy | 18:49 |
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| einarr | championofcyrodi: is redundancy important for the services running on the VMs or only for data? if only for data, a cinder server with backup/replication is easier to setup/maintain than ceph. | 18:56 |
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| einarr | for huge i/o loads i can't see any other way than using local disk. if that 1 Gb/s line is maxed out _everything_ will suffer. | 18:58 |
| x86brandon | a decent SSD array can even max out 10 gig without an issue | 18:58 |
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| championofcyrodi | in some cases both. since i'm the only ops guy running everything. if a critical service goes down, which also requires data... I need to be able to redeploy everything quickly. I agree, either i need to get a faster switch, or come up w/ local storage options for VMs demanding high disk i/o | 18:59 |
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| championofcyrodi | the real blocker is that there is only 24 hours in a day | 19:01 |
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| einarr | yup. that 24h limit exists here in Europe as well. | 19:02 |
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| einarr | june 30th will have 24h + 1 sec, though. better spend it wisely. | 19:03 |
| championofcyrodi | perhaps if we had an office in europe... we could squeeze ~29 hours out of a day | 19:03 |
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| einarr | are all your networks maxed out? i've bonded two 10 Gb links per node and are running different vlans on them. that way, you can better shift the bandwidth to where it's needed. | 19:06 |
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| championofcyrodi | standby for imgur screenshot.. | 19:09 |
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| championofcyrodi | http://i.imgur.com/BL2SvkU.png | 19:12 |
| championofcyrodi | that is my problem | 19:12 |
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| championofcyrodi | the fuel deployer will not allow me to NOT have a Public VLAN. even though it is not used since all traffic runs through HA proxy | 19:12 |
| championofcyrodi | and each node only has 2 NICs | 19:12 |
| championofcyrodi | well.. that is 1 problem | 19:12 |
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| championofcyrodi | where Private is for VM <-> VM traffic, Storage is for Ceph, and management is for API calls. | 19:13 |
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| championofcyrodi | basically, i'm crushing it. | 19:13 |
| championofcyrodi | the 'error' at the top is a result of my last action... in which i tried to add a ceph node w/ only 1 NIC | 19:14 |
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| championofcyrodi | not even a hypervisor/compute node... just ceph | 19:14 |
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| einarr | ouch. | 19:16 |
| blammo | anybody ever see multiple instances of the same VM in openstack? i have a VM that has an older version of itself coexisting, and when i use the internal 10.x ip from a box i get to the old VM, yet the public ip gets to the one i would have expected | 19:16 |
| championofcyrodi | so i have to rebuild the cluster... | 19:16 |
| championofcyrodi | but i'm >50% capacity | 19:16 |
| blammo | like an older self is there with the same public/private ip, according to the curl to 169.254... | 19:16 |
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| championofcyrodi | i migrated everything from Icehouse to juno... by moving all the data and vms to 1/2 the hardware, left 1 controller up... built up the juno instance, migrated everything over, blew away icehouse, added new hardware... it was a long process. | 19:17 |
| championofcyrodi | at some point i think i need to just backup all my data to a storage device we have . (NFS server at 10Gbps w/ 20TB) | 19:18 |
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| championofcyrodi | blow away the whole thing... and rebuild with all the lessons learned in mind. | 19:18 |
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| championofcyrodi | except there is the 24 hour problem, and users using all day everyday | 19:18 |
| championofcyrodi | one fix i'm thinking about is quitting and opening a sandwich shop. | 19:19 |
| einarr | well, a couple of new lessons before you start; you really need to separate those three networks in some way, so that you are able to QoS them. | 19:19 |
| championofcyrodi | yea. I would like to at least bump the storage network off to another NIC | 19:20 |
| championofcyrodi | i think rabbitmq is probably beating it up pretty good too. | 19:20 |
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| championofcyrodi | nice.. just lost connectivity to a VM... | 19:21 |
| championofcyrodi | and it's back up. | 19:21 |
| einarr | i'm not into ceph. i am also pretty much a one-man show, so i'm going with cinder, and offloading the actual storage to our EqualLogic cluster. | 19:21 |
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| championofcyrodi | yea. at this point i've dug myself in to a hole so deep i can't reach the top | 19:22 |
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| einarr | also, having more than one service on each node (controller, compute, ceph, networking, etc) makes it harder to debug stuff. | 19:25 |
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| ravenpi | Trying to make use of allowed-address-pairs on an Ubuntu Ice House install. Yet when I do a "neutron ext-list", it's not listed. Corresponding services (neutron, l3) are started. Is there a config or service I might be overlooking? | 19:30 |
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| einarr | championofcyrodi: does the "public" network need to be a physical one, or can it be eth1.1234? if you can do some kind of trick there, that would double your network capacity. | 19:32 |
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| loth | Does anyone know the syntax for adding multiple allowed-address-pairs with the neutron CLI? I can't find any info on it neutron port-update $port_id --allowed_address_pairs list=true type=dict ip_address=$ip_1/24,ip_address=$ip_2/24 doesnt seem to work | 20:13 |
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| loth | ah found it, neutron port-update $port_id --allowed_address_pairs list=true type=dict mac_address=$mac,ip_address=$ip_1/24 mac_address=$mac,ip_address=$ip_2/24 if anyone was curious :) | 20:22 |
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