Wednesday, 2015-08-12

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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Zuul was restarted due to an error; events (such as approvals or new patchsets) since 23:01 UTC have been lost and affected changes will need to be rechecked00:04
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tedZhanghave you already used openstack??03:36
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tedZhangplease,who is using openstack ?03:44
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Mathiplease help me solve the db error in cinder db sync ... ERROR cinder DBConnectionError: (_mysql_exceptions.OperationalError) (2013, 'Lost connection to MySQL server during query') [SQL: u'\nALTER TABLE volume_types ADD is_public BOOL']04:10
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tarunHi i want to know how the mo files are generated in neutron code for localization as these are not present in repository06:01
taruncan anyone give soome pointers related to this06:01
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clarkbbabel should do it as part of setup.py iirc06:01
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endorphinwhen creating an ironic node with pxe_ssh as the driver, which address is the 'ssh_address' driver option referring to?06:46
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ffledglingAnyone here know if jeepyb can be used outside of openstack to manage Gerrit?06:59
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zwHi07:26
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zwI have a question, what is the 'avarage' iops a VM should be able to take ?07:26
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zwWe are planning a new openstack/ceph cluster. But I find it quite hard to scale my ceph setup as I don't have a clue how many spindles/iops I must forsee07:27
zwAny tips about that ?07:27
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SamYaplezul: youll probably get more answers in #ceph10:47
SamYaplezul: sorry ignore, bad tab complete!10:47
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hafekeystonemiddleware behavior, can anyone explain why the url changes in: http://pastebin.com/Ak3x13ru10:55
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MF2Hi, I want to use spacewalk with openstack, but i google it and couldn't find good document about it, pleas help me to understand how to use spacewalk with openstack11:12
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jianyongHi, all. What's the release schedule for version L?12:29
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m00nb1rdhey folks. Changed IP and DNS on Controller, Neutron, and Compute node to move to new VMware environment. I was able to set all OpenStack config files to use the short names "Controller", "Neutron", "Compute" etc. and was able to update the one entry in the OpenStack DB in the nova table to update the Compute VM IP and DNS name. Where I'm at now is that "nova image-list" works fine, but "neutron-<anything>" doesn't. I rec12:57
m00nb1rdeive a failure to talk to "http://Controller:9696" and sure enough nothing is  listening on port 9696 on Controller, but the neutron service is running just fine. Any ideas? I've already searched the systems and do not see any other instances of old IPs or DNS names.12:57
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rozieyou used domain names or IPs everywhere in configuration?12:58
roziejust grep /etc/ recursively12:59
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m00nb1rdI used the 'short name' "Controller" etc13:02
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m00nb1rdso the /etc/hosts looks like: X.X.X.X     Controller.domain.com    Controller13:02
m00nb1rdand all config files use that last name13:02
m00nb1rdso they all point to the same name regardless of IP or domain.13:02
m00nb1rdI did execute grep, and found no instances of IP or FQDN, only short name.13:03
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MF2Hi, I have 2 homogeneous cloud platform (openstack) with 2 dashboard, I want to integrate that 2 dashboard with one dashboard, can I do that?13:06
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Nicko#openstack-infra13:16
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roziem00nb1rd: you can run neutron with --debug mode - you will get more detailed data so you can check manually where it tries to connect13:19
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m00nb1rd@rozie, I have done that. Let me pastebin it.13:25
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MF2how to integrate 2 data center in openstack platform?13:26
roziem00nb1rd: BTW do you use Kilo?13:26
m00nb1rdactually using Juno on Ubuntu 14.0413:26
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rozielooking someone with kilo to confirm the same behaviour https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/80011/kilo-non-public-snapshots-visible-for-everyone/13:27
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m00nb1rdhttp://pastebin.com/bcs2kYbc13:31
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MF2any idea?13:33
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rozieMF2: but what you want to do?13:35
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larsksm00nb1rd: it looks as if neutron-server simply isn't listening (possibly not running?) on the host "controller".  If you log into controller (using *that name*, to rule out a variety of problems), do you see a running "neutron-server" process?13:37
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m00nb1rdservice neutron-server status returns: "neutron-server start/running, process 1551"13:39
m00nb1rdbut nothing is listening on port 969613:39
larsksm00nb1rd: but does "ps" show it running?13:39
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m00nb1rdworks fine prior to IP change and relcation13:39
larsksDoes "netstat -tlnp" show it listening on port 9696?13:39
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larsksAre there iptables rules that would prevent the connection?13:39
m00nb1rdyes ps -ef does show it13:39
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MF2rozie: I have 2 data center in 2 city and i implemented openstack seprately,  I think is better to integrate that 2 data center, but i don't know how to do that? or is true to do that?13:40
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m00nb1rdshould be no iptable rules against it. The VM was literally clones from a working system, IP changed and put on new ESX.13:41
m00nb1rdnothing listening on port 969613:41
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larsksOkay, well, there is the problem :).  Anything errors in your neutron-server log?13:41
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roziem00nb1rd: ERROR: neutronclient.shell Unable to establish connection to http://Controller:9696/v2.0/routers.json13:42
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larsksrozie: yes, that's what we're discussing...13:42
roziecan you connect to port 9696 from Controller host itself?13:42
larsksAlready established that neutron-server isn't listening.13:43
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rozieI'd check neutron log then13:45
rozieMF2: why do you want to aggregate them? I think setup with separate openstack (region) for each DC is OK13:46
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zilbersteinhello #openstack13:46
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rozieMF2: otherwise you will have issues when one DC goes down, or just when you lose communication between DCs13:47
zilbersteinwhy get_account fails with Forbidden and returns results only to operator in SWIFT ?13:47
zilbersteinIt raises ClientException: Account GET failed: http://127.0.0.1:8080/v1/AUTH_f7f87b34ebe24e7490495f64253286b0?format=json&limit=1000 403 Forbidden13:47
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zilbersteinDoes anybody know how to grant access to container listing to certain user only ?13:48
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m00nb1rdlarsks: yes, there's an error, but is also in the working VM that this was cloned from.13:49
m00nb1rd 2015-08-12 09:35:24.120 1551 ERROR oslo.messaging._drivers.impl_rabbit [-] AMQP server Controller:5672 closed the connection. Check login credentials: Socket closed13:49
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roziem00nb1rd: check /etc/neutron.conf if you have right values everywhere13:50
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roziemaybe there's old IP somewhere13:50
rozieBTW error you pasted looks rather critical for me13:51
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MF2rozie: i want to use manageiq for example, to manage my cloud platform... i thought to integrate my DC, but now i don't know how to manage my cloud platform.13:55
larsksm00nb1rd: are there any messages after that indicating that neutron was able to connect to the amqp server successfully?13:55
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m00nb1rdrozie: I have checked all values in neutron.conf (same conifg as good VM)13:59
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m00nb1rdlarsks: actually, no, there is no success. and on this VM, that is all that's in the log is the attepmting connection to AMQP server and the failure. (however in the same VM this was cloned from, yes there are sucesses)14:00
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larsksIs rabbitmq-server running?  Does your neutron config have the correct ip address for the amqp server?14:00
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roziem00nb1rd: we can safely assume that lack of connection to AMQP server is the problem14:01
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m00nb1rdps shows rabbitmq-server running14:01
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roziem00nb1rd: Check login credentials, as error message says14:02
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m00nb1rdlet me check the neutron.conf file again, but I made no changes to this at all other than IP/DNS (and everything uses the short name in the config files)14:02
rozieit's authorization failure rather than no connection at all14:02
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roziem00nb1rd: it probably was broken before14:02
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m00nb1rdjust odd that it works before the clone and IP/DNS change14:03
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rozieyou could have failing server starting, but old process running. sometimes happens14:03
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m00nb1rdeven on clean boot of source VM?14:04
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rozieno.14:05
roziejust guessing: maybe it had those data cached somewhere?14:05
rozieanyway: fix access to AMQP server14:06
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o_be_onehello all15:33
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o_be_onejust wanted to ask how to add an ip to eth0 in post creation of a new instance (Horizon) ?15:34
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evidexo_be_one: Most images (eg the cirros image) will pickup an address on the subnet you assign during instance creation15:36
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o_be_oneevidex: thank you, but i use Ubuntu and made a private network without DHCP15:46
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larsksevidex: if you use the config-drive feature (--config-drive=true), the network configuration should be available in the metadata provided to your instance.15:52
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j^2I’m going through the Ubuntu install guide, and i got to horizon, i did the install but i can’t seem to log in. anyone seen this error before? [Tue Aug 11 23:56:16.293417 2015] [:error] [pid 30413:tid 140375968143104] Authorization Failed: Cannot authenticate without an auth_url I’m assuming django is throwing it15:56
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j^2ok..15:58
j^2i lied, i rebuilt the box and now it works15:58
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j^2(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻15:58
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Sam-I-Amj^2: awesome16:23
j^2:D16:24
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jwitkohey guys, I'm trying to use an image that does not have virtio drivers installed (old OS version).  I thought I would be able to do this relatively simply by following https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LibvirtCustomHardware  -- however setting the image to be ide hardware is not working.  It still creates a volume where the root filesystem can't be found.  Anyone have any advice?16:26
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jwitkohttp://paste.openstack.org/show/412735/  -- here is the image in question16:28
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|splat|i’m having a cinder/iscsi issue where my two storage shelves attached to my headnode via fibre are acting very slow inside of my instances.  if I test inside of the isntances with iperf, i’m getting 900 Mbit/s + so the network seems fine (gigabit).  but when I use dd to make a file on a cinder drive, i get like 11mbps16:52
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|splat|http://pastebin.com/u3fRhndB16:55
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|splat|http://pastebin.com/DH8fSftU  dd output16:56
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klamath|splat|: your using urandom. your waiting for urandom to get more entropy for number gen16:56
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Sam-I-Amyeah, use /dev/zero16:57
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klamathid recommend pre generating the file and using rsync or something like that to move the file to cinder16:57
Sam-I-Amor that16:57
klamathIOZONE, BONNIE++ are good work gens too16:57
kevin_bi tend to use : dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=1M count=409616:58
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klamath|splat|: i also noticed your doing a bs @ 4k, what is your MTU for cinder?16:58
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jpdsklamath: urandom doesn't block16:59
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klamathnever said it did block16:59
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|splat|Sam-I-Am: klamath MTU on the VMs is 1500, MTU on the hardware is 160017:49
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|splat|i tried doing the DHCP fix for ovs but windows clients never picked up the setting17:49
Sam-I-Amdhcp fix for ovs?17:50
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|splat|http://pastebin.com/TPfVPEem  here’s /dev/zero.  I still think its odd17:51
|splat|but definitely faster17:51
|splat|oh, thats on the local storage.17:51
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|splat|https://www.rdoproject.org/forum/discussion/302/quantumneutron-and-ip-packet-mtus-questions-answers-and-suggestions/p1   re: dhcp mtu17:52
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Sam-I-Amoh, yeah, that thing17:53
Sam-I-Amits not specific to ovs, but vxlan/gre tunnels17:53
|splat|yeah sorry17:54
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Sam-I-Amif your mtu is 1600 everywhere, 1500 in the VMs is fine, but i doubt everything in the chain is 160017:54
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Sam-I-Amin particular, the taps created by kvm get sketchy17:55
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Sam-I-Amthere's some work being done to make mtus end-to-end, but its not there yet17:55
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|splat|here’s my ifaces and mtu http://pastebin.com/Q0EVZDPd17:57
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|splat|br-ex.104 is the internal cluster vlan17:57
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|splat|if you’re curious17:57
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Sam-I-Amso... now that i'm thinking about it, your cinder traffic shouldnt traverse the vm network17:58
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Sam-I-Amit should be heading straight from kvm to cinder17:59
Sam-I-Amunless you're doing something weird17:59
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Sam-I-Amif you're using iscsi, you should be able to see the connections on the host17:59
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|splat|but anyway the main complaint from my users is that they will run some analysis that works fine with a couple of files, but when they run a larger analysis using many files it will fail18:09
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|splat|so in cinder i have iscsi_ip_address=172.20.101.1   which is the headnode ip on vlan10418:11
|splat|so all the traffic would be going right over vlan4 you are saying? and not thru the gre tunnel18:11
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Sam-I-Ameah18:19
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Sam-I-Amer, yeah18:19
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Sam-I-Amif you tcpdump you should see it18:19
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|splat|so when i do a file test in windows 2012 and they have that fancy transfer detail window showing speed over time, i will see instances where the bps drops to 0, then ramps up to like 60mbps, then drops to 0…when transfering hundreds of files18:21
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|splat|so it seems to me like the drive drops off or packets get lost on long sustained writes and reads18:22
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|splat|not continuous, but long workloads18:22
|splat|i’m just tryign to talk through how to see if its thet network or the storage itself18:22
Sam-I-Amis vlan104 shared with anything else?18:23
|splat|making 50 400 mb files and then using rsync seems to be going fine.18:23
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Sam-I-Amrsync between vms?18:24
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|splat|no, /tmp to /mnt/tmp18:24
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Sam-I-Amah, so local rsync18:24
|splat|mnt is iscsi18:24
|splat|cinder18:24
|splat|getting 60 MBps18:24
|splat|i do see some dips18:24
|splat|but no long 0mbps18:25
Sam-I-Amis this gig or 10gig?18:25
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Sam-I-Amalso, dedicated or ahred18:25
Sam-I-Amshared18:25
|splat|gig, two bonded18:25
Sam-I-Amhow is it bonded?18:25
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|splat|bnothing else is on vlan104 except the 9 nodes for openstack18:25
|splat|mode4,18:26
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Sam-I-Amdoes that balance?18:27
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Sam-I-Ami think it does, based on some hash18:28
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|splat|that should be LACP. mode 4 is 802.3ad mode18:29
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|splat|Slave selection for outgoing traffic is done according18:30
|splat|to the transmit hash policy, which may be changed from18:30
|splat|the default simple XOR policy via the xmit_hash_policy18:30
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|splat|option, documented below18:30
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Sam-I-Ami'd take a look at the tcpdump and see if you're getting retransmits from out-of-order ethernet frames18:31
Sam-I-Amamong other badness18:31
Sam-I-Amor try active-backup mode18:31
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|splat|OVS_OPTIONS="bond-mode=balance-tcp lacp=active"18:33
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|splat|thats what the options are on the head node. using ovs bonding because i’m using ovs for teh gre tunnels18:34
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Sam-I-Amwait what18:34
|splat|i tried to change it to regular hardware mode but it broke all of my other network configuration18:34
Sam-I-Amyou're using ovs on the host?18:34
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|splat|http://pastebin.com/30j8n1HK  that is the bond for the head node18:35
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|splat|so i could get floating IPs on my main lan18:35
|splat|for the instances18:35
Sam-I-Amso, your vms share the same interfaces?18:36
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|splat|same physical yes. i think that’s what you mean?18:36
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Sam-I-Amyeah18:37
xar-I could never get OVS to work on my sandbox, so im trying regular bridges instead :SS18:37
Sam-I-Amovs should be limited to as few things as possible, imo18:37
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Sam-I-Amso you couldnt do a linux bond, and attach br-ex to it?18:37
xar-neutron is terrifying, and the documentation is lacking18:37
ApsuSo, fun fact, just to stir the pot18:37
ApsuBonding with OVS is how I got around kernel panics happening from bridging native bonds into an OVS bridge18:37
Sam-I-Amxar-: neutron is not terrifying, and the documentation has gotten better... the latter fixed the former. docs.openstack.org - check the networking guide.18:38
ApsuWorks great!18:38
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Sam-I-AmApsu: or just dont use ovs? :)18:38
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|splat|the main idea was to a. bond the interfaces and b. get the instances onto the main internal lan18:39
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xar-I think what I mean is... I need a reddit ELI5 version of the Neutron documentation lol18:39
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Sam-I-Amxar-: wat?18:40
|splat|if its possible to redo that with regular physical bonds, i’d do that. but i kept running in to odd thigns when i tried to redo the bond18:40
Sam-I-Am|splat|: long term, sharing phys interfaces for vm traffic and management/storage traffic is probably not good18:40
|splat|i could never get it assinged as bond0, it would always form as bond1 for one18:40
xar-ELI5, its a reddit thing, nevermind :)18:40
Sam-I-Am|splat|: odd18:40
Sam-I-Amxar-: i dont reddit18:40
Apsu|splat|: How you setup native bonds is generally a feature of the particular distro you choose18:40
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ApsuBut you can certainly make a bond0 relatively easily on common distros18:41
xar-(E)xplain (L)ike I'm (F)ive18:41
|splat|the compute nodes are all set up the regular OS way18:41
xar-:p18:41
|splat|what i should do is blow this whole thing away and reinstall18:41
|splat|centos 7, juno.18:42
Sam-I-Amxar-: the networking guide is probably eli518:42
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|splat|at any rate, this is only meant to be POC18:42
Sam-I-Am|splat|: i'd tcpdump18:42
|splat|there’s only 5 or so people using it18:42
Sam-I-Amsee if its actually a network thing18:42
xar-I reinstalled, gonna try something called 'devstack'18:42
Sam-I-Amxar-: poor life choices18:42
xar-is there something wrong with it?18:43
xar-<--nub18:43
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|splat|doing the tcpdump now18:43
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|splat|xar, i used RDO18:44
|splat|it was pretty straight forward18:44
|splat|aside from this multinode networking...18:44
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xar-rdo?18:44
* xar- googles18:44
rbowenhttp://rdoproject.org/18:44
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xar-ahh I have Ubuntu LTS, I don't think that'll work18:45
xar-is CentOS "better^TM" ?18:45
Sam-I-Amxar-: devstack is not something you want to actually use18:45
Sam-I-Amoutside of development, of course18:45
Sam-I-Ambut if you want to use openstack, thats not it18:45
Sam-I-Amxar-: you can use the install guide on docs.openstack.org18:46
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|splat|xar, look into juju18:46
|splat|if you must be on ubuntu18:46
Sam-I-Amxar-: i recommend os-ansible-deployment18:46
xar-i've tried several times to do a build from scratch, but each time, I get hung up on neutron, it's.... demoralizing lol18:46
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Sam-I-Amxar-: neutron is not as bad as it looks, really18:46
Sam-I-Amnot sure when you last used the guides18:46
Sam-I-Ami know they work, cuz i wrote them, and test them18:46
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Sam-I-Amplus the networking guide, which is new18:47
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evilrobwhat is "my_ip" used for in nova compute?  I've got to compute nodes that have been running with the wrong IP in that setting.18:48
xar-how does os-ansible-deployment compare to devstack? I'm not opposed to continuing to configure things manually18:48
xar-I just reloaded the OS, so its fresh again, clean slate18:48
Sam-I-Amit does not use devstack18:48
Sam-I-Amevilrob: the ip nova uses for management stuffs18:48
Sam-I-Amevilrob: like api calls18:48
Sam-I-Amxar-: it deploys openstack from source using ansible18:49
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Sam-I-Amxar-: you dont have to deal with crappy distro packages18:49
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evilrobinteresting that it's been working then.18:49
ApsuOSAD, as we call it, is mostly sane defaults, but also highly configurable18:49
Sam-I-Am^ this18:49
xar-and that'll work Ubuntu LTS 14.04.3?18:49
ApsuYep18:49
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Sam-I-Amfor now it only works on ubuntu18:49
Sam-I-Amevilrob: if l3 works...18:50
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Sam-I-Amevilrob: also, now that you noticed it was wrong, it will break18:50
evilrobof course.  because I "fixed" it and restarted nova-compute.18:50
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evilroball sorts of shit will break18:50
Sam-I-Amthis is how you openstack18:51
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xar-so... caveat, never ansibled (that a verb?) in my life, is that gonna prevent me from using osad?18:52
|splat|linux from scratch openstack18:52
Sam-I-Amansible is a devops tool18:52
|splat|thats how you learn...18:52
Sam-I-Amlike chef, or puppet18:52
Sam-I-Amyou dont really need to learn ansible to use osad18:52
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xar-i've been doing it from scratch, banging my head lol18:52
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xar-ok cool, i'll try it18:52
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|splat|RDO is similar, uses puppet18:53
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Sam-I-Amxar-: typically people install some POC using distro packages, do the manual configuration on docs.openstack.org to learn how it all works, then go find a deployment tool18:53
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|splat|http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/tools/maas  is kind of interesting too18:53
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Sam-I-Amjust because you use a deployment tool doesn't mean openstack wont break18:53
Sam-I-Amand your deployment tool usually wont help that problem18:53
Sam-I-Amso its beneficial to know how the services work18:53
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xar-well by hand i've done keystone, nova, glance, cinder, and horizon, neutron I tried and just couldn't get all the bridges and stuff setup, I'm sadly not a networking guy :(18:54
evilrobyou learn a lot doing it by hand from scratch.  after a week of that I restarted, banged my head a bit more, then got it working.  completely re-did the way we had things architected now that I know something, and am currently playing with OSAD on the side while I tweak my manually instaled cluster in our soon to be thermited lab in philly18:54
|splat|if i were going into production with this, i’d pay someone else to do it. like red hat consultant or one of those fancy special openstack companies18:54
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evilrobdon't pay rackspace.... all their employees are evil18:55
* evilrob ducks18:55
Sam-I-Amevilrob: ha, fucker :P18:55
Apsulolwat18:55
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Sam-I-AmApsu: i know this guy :)18:55
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Sam-I-Amsadly :)18:55
ApsuI mean, it's true, but you could try a bit more tact ;)18:55
ApsuSam-I-Am: That explains a lot18:55
* evilrob doesn't do tact18:55
Sam-I-AmApsu: rather, he made the mistake of knowing me18:55
|splat|wow. 4.29GB dump.18:55
Sam-I-Ampoor life choices, take 618:55
evilrobtrue.  your dad is nice enough though18:55
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Sam-I-Amxar-: we can help here with your networking issues18:56
Sam-I-Ammostly18:56
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evilrob ^^ can confirm18:56
xar-ok well i'll give it another go18:56
|splat|i should probably debond the ports, make one iscsi only.18:56
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Sam-I-Am|splat|: lots of people do that18:56
ApsuI can help with the rest, but I may or may not18:56
ApsuBecause networking is hard and most of the answers are unintelligible18:56
|splat|thats how my vmware is set up18:56
Sam-I-Am|splat|: the consulting thing, that is18:56
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|splat|Sam-I-Am: yeah i turned down a consulting job from a very large openstack company a few months ago.18:57
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|splat|their consulting arm was growing tremedously18:57
Sam-I-Am|splat|: so, if you're getting 60 MB/s on a 1 gig link (lets assume no bonding) ... that means you have 40 MB/s of vm and other traffic?18:57
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ApsuThey constantly spam my linkedin. Apparently "openstack networking architect" are the magic buzzwords to generate a firehose of requests.18:57
Sam-I-Am|splat|: max theoretical on a 1 gig is ~ 90 MB18:57
ApsuUsed to be "devops" was the hot thing18:57
Sam-I-Amwith hashing on a bond... you wont get 2x that18:58
|splat|if i use iftop on the head node, i see next to no traffic18:58
ApsuSam-I-Am: You're missing some zeros18:58
|splat|and maybe 50% when i do a transfer to the iscsi18:58
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Sam-I-AmApsu: MB vs. Mb :)18:58
ApsuSam-I-Am: Just making sure you're paying attention18:58
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Sam-I-AmApsu: rarely18:59
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ApsuLine rate is ~92.3MB/s for TCP18:59
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ApsuOh are we concerned about LACP bond throughput?18:59
Sam-I-AmApsu: yeah, the issue here might be bond hashing18:59
ApsuI noticed |splat| was using balance-tcp for the xfer-hashing18:59
Sam-I-Ambut it turns out other things are sharing the interfaces18:59
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Sam-I-Amso my suggestion was tcpdump... look for badness19:00
|splat|yeah all openstack services are running on bond019:00
ApsuPart of the question with LACP hashing is the switch hash configuration for return traffic.19:00
|splat|i may change that…19:00
ApsuAn awful lot of switches default to L2 or L2+L319:00
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|splat|the thing is, this was all fine a few months ago19:00
ApsuWhen upping your utilization requires L2-L4 on both side19:00
Sam-I-Amhence my other suggestion of trying active-passive19:01
|splat|then i had to reboot everything because i had to reboot the storage shelves, and now nothing has been the same since19:01
ApsuWell active-backup certainly won't increase throughput :P19:01
Sam-I-Amor isolating the iscsi traffic assuming there's contention19:01
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ApsuI mean, assuming there's not weird duplication or retransmits or whatnot19:01
Apsutshark can analyze that sort of thing without having to copy dumps off the boxen to wireshark19:01
ApsuOr clever tcpdump filters19:01
Sam-I-Amout-of-order ethernet frames19:02
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|splat|probably easiest ot just move cinder to it’s own vlan and remove the bonds19:02
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Sam-I-Amseparation of mgmt and vm traffic is Always Good19:03
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ApsuEspecially on OVS19:03
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Sam-I-Amxar-: btw, linux bridge + provider networks is horribly simple19:03
Apsu^19:03
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ApsuOr horrible and simple, whichever19:03
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xar-so simple its... documented somewhere for my consumption? :)19:04
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Sam-I-Amxar-: networking guide19:04
Sam-I-Amxar-: it has 7 scenarios19:04
Sam-I-Amneutron has docs now19:04
Apsufyi, tshark -r samples.cap -q -z io,stat,5,"COUNT(tcp.analysis.retransmission) tcp.analysis.retransmission","COUNT(tcp.analysis.duplicate_ack)tcp.analysis.duplicate_ack","COUNT(tcp.analysis.lost_segment) tcp.analysis.lost_segment","COUNT(tcp.analysis.fast_retransmission) tcp.analysis.fast_retransmission"19:04
|splat|i was trying to change over to that but couldn’t get the bond on the head node working right. :/  might give it another go19:04
Sam-I-Amits... amazing19:04
xar-http://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt/content/neutron-controller-node.html19:04
ApsuOr you can grab it without a capfile live, by giving it a packet/time count to cap for19:04
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xar-this ? ^19:04
Sam-I-Amxar-: no, thats the install guide19:05
Sam-I-Amxar-: http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/deploy.html19:05
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Sam-I-Amincludes pretty diagrams, descriptions of how traffic flows, etc19:06
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Sam-I-Amthe first scenario is what the install guide uses19:06
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Sam-I-Amfor now...19:06
Sam-I-Ambut its changing to linux bridge for liberty because easier19:06
Sam-I-Am(second scenario)19:06
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xar-I've never even seen these docs before, so... my google fu must suck, thanks, i'll read19:06
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ApsuWe hide them to make openstack harder and feel more enterprisey19:07
Sam-I-Amxar-: google sucks, actually19:07
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Sam-I-Amits not indexing them for some reason19:07
ApsuSam-I-Am: I can provide SEO services for a nominal fee19:07
xar-as long as it doesn't go full network engineer on me, maybe i'll be ok19:07
ApsuMostly by buying google ads for your pages19:07
hoonetorghi channel i'm in the process of setting up a high available openstack cloud (early in the process). currently i'm asking myself, what the main advantages/disadvantages of (mainly) active/active or mainly active/passive setup is19:07
xar-the moment someone starts saying vlan, my eyes roll into the back of my head19:08
Sam-I-Amxar-: well, you might need to vlan a little19:08
xar-well i'll read and get back to you19:08
xar-:)19:08
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Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: for networking?19:08
hoonetorgSam-I-Am: no :) the whole package , everything19:09
Sam-I-Amthe apis are stateless, so you can run any number and load balance them19:09
Sam-I-Amall active19:09
Sam-I-Amdatabase... galera19:09
Sam-I-Amactive/passive is defunct19:09
Sam-I-Amnetworking is the only exception, but there are some options19:10
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hoonetorgso shortly said: as much as possible with active/active (haproxy...) is the better choice19:10
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: am I right?19:11
Sam-I-Amyeah19:11
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Sam-I-Ammost of the underlying services support ha19:12
hoonetorgand for neutron I think i heard and read about active/passive with keepalived and vrrp???19:12
Apsuxar-: VLANs are honestly really easy. Each VLAN is conceptually like a separate switch with all its own cables, identified by the numbers (tags). Having a tagged interface means hooking in a cable from that separate switch.19:12
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Apsuxar-: Just happens to be virtual and combined into a single physical cable/switch.19:12
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: theres a few ways to do it19:12
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: oh yes??? which one is most mature/stable currently???19:13
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: you can use provider networks and let your physical infra handle redundancy, or use L3HA, or use DVR19:13
Sam-I-Amthose are in order of complexity19:14
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Sam-I-Amif you've used vmware, vswitches are essentially provider networks19:14
Sam-I-Amyou dont have 'self service' cloud networks, but not everyone needs those19:14
Sam-I-Amyou can also hybrid19:14
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hoonetorgmust use rhel kvm openvswitch19:14
hoonetorgso L3HA sounds nice19:14
Sam-I-Amany reason for ovs?19:14
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ApsuSam-I-Am: Because it's super cool19:15
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: opensource should be prefered19:17
jwitkohey guys, I'm trying to use an image that does not have virtio drivers installed (old OS version).  I thought I would be able to do this relatively simply by following https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LibvirtCustomHardware  -- however setting the image to be ide hardware is not working.  It still creates a volume where the root filesystem can't be found.  Anyone have any advice?19:17
jwitkohttp://paste.openstack.org/show/412735/  -- here is the image in question19:17
hoonetorgSam-I-Am: what would you choose?19:17
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Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: i'd use linuxbridge, unless theres a really good reason to use openvswitch19:19
Sam-I-Amits easier to understand and debug when it breaks19:19
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Sam-I-Amor you can look at os-ansible-deployment - deploys openstack with all of the redundant stuff done for you19:20
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: I read somewhere that neutron linux bridge code is somewhere nearly unmaintained and untested19:20
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: we're fixing that19:21
Sam-I-Amits getting lots of love for liberty19:21
hoonetorgand that it's only working well with legacy nova-network. is that true?19:21
ApsuNo, those are incompatible things19:21
Sam-I-Amnova-net does use linuxbridge, but thats a separate networking service19:21
* evilrob is using neutron with linuxbridge in production19:21
* evilrob has a pretty simple setup though19:21
ApsuYep, all of our customers on OSAD are using Neutron with LB in production19:22
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: what sort of customers will use your cloud?19:22
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hoonetorgIt's for a lab in a university of applied sciences19:22
hoonetorgi think my mentor want's openvswitch19:23
hoonetorgbut good to know, that linuxbridge with neutron is working well19:23
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Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: do you need your users to manage their own networks, or will someone manage them?19:24
hoonetorgthe university project will not be the only openstack installation i will do19:24
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hoonetorgactually, I don't know19:24
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Sam-I-Amwell, thats pretty much the thing that determines whether you want provider networks or classic cloud networking19:25
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Sam-I-Ambut you can do both19:25
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Sam-I-Amjust have to architect for it19:25
hoonetorgLab in University mainly for showing students and teaching purposes19:26
hoonetorgand I think, yes the mentor wants to show how provider networks work19:26
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hoonetorgbecause that's something that it students should know about19:27
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: I think, it's pretty clear that I must use openvswitch for the university stuff, but I will discuss on friday19:28
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: Many troubles with that???19:29
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ApsuOpenVswitch is just more complex and non-linuxy is all.19:34
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: thx, the main information I needed for starting up you gave me: that trying to do as much as possible with lb(haproxy), because most services stateles was very helpful.19:35
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hoonetorgi think i will use pacemaker for galera, because it manages so nice the initial cluster start with the galera RA19:36
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hoonetorgthe initial start i mean19:36
hoonetorgand then, when I have galera, rabbitmq, httpd, keystone, nova - i will think about networking19:37
hoonetorg(and probably ask here again)19:37
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hoonetorg:)19:37
Sam-I-Amwel19:37
Sam-I-Amnot sure you need to pacemaker galera19:37
Sam-I-Amit manages itself, iirc19:37
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evilroblet's hear it for automation.  I've "accidentally" built a compute node in vagrant on my laptop (as part of my production cluster)19:40
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Sam-I-Amevilrob: sounds like it involved beer19:40
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evilrobbeer is celebratory.  scotch is to concentrate19:41
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Sam-I-Amyou have good ideas19:41
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: CentOS 7.1 systemd can do the initial start ( mysqld --wsrep_cluster_address=gcomm:// &)19:41
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Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: you might check os-ansible-deployment to see how its done there19:42
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: we have lots of goodies in there for ha19:42
hoonetorgis that from sebastian han?19:42
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Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: no?19:43
hoonetorgSam-I-Am: i've found it on gihub19:43
Sam-I-Amyep19:44
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hoonetorgI only read a lot from Sebastian Han when I was implementing my salt-ceph-formula19:44
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hoonetorgand saw that he does a lot with ansible19:44
hoonetorgand thought I read that he also does openstack19:45
Sam-I-Amoh19:45
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: Apsu: u from rackspace ???19:47
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Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: yes19:47
Apsuhoonetorg: Yes I am.19:48
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ApsuI come from the Rackspace, I'm here to help19:48
ApsuOr heckle, whichever19:48
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hoonetorgthx, really appreciate19:49
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Sam-I-Amheh19:49
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: Rackspace uses Debian ?19:51
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: ubuntu for private cloud19:51
hoonetorgk19:51
Sam-I-Amrackspace private cloud is basically os-ansible-deployment + rpc-openstack19:51
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Sam-I-Amplus all of the humans to support it19:52
hoonetorgrpc-openstack ???19:52
hoonetorg:)19:52
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hoonetorgall the humans - yeahhhhh19:52
Sam-I-Amyeah, its another github repo19:52
hoonetorgfound it19:53
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hoonetorgyeah, i'm currently on centos 7 + kickstart + saltstack for all deployment19:54
Sam-I-Amthat works too19:54
Sam-I-Amlots of ways to do the same thing19:54
hoonetorgwill have a glimpse on your ansible stuff, when there is something to implement :)19:54
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hoonetorgyeah, me being few years in that bussiness, me feeling too many ways sometimes,19:55
hoonetorgwhen i was young i had an overview, lost it now19:55
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: Apsu: evilrob: and rest of channel:  thx, coding starts now :), will come back with new questions ...19:58
Sam-I-Amhave fun19:58
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Sam-I-Amwe're generally around19:58
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* evilrob is annoyed that there isn't a "cinder service-delete" in juno19:59
Sam-I-Amevilrob: lol yeah20:00
Sam-I-Amevilrob: it might be in the api though... cant remember20:00
evilroband disable isn't ID based.20:00
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evilrobmeh... when I've needed to, I'll just disable it and once in a while go cull it from the mysql table by hand20:01
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Sam-I-Amyarp20:01
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kklimondahey, can I configure Juno Horizon/Keystone to use SAML2 identity provider? It seems most docs describe Kilo instructions.20:02
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Sam-I-Amkklimonda: saml2 as in... federation?20:02
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kklimondaSam-I-Am: yes20:04
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kklimondawe have a IdP (okta sso) and I'd like to see if I can get both keystone and horizon in juno configured to use it20:04
Sam-I-Amkklimonda: iirc, federation began with kilo20:05
Sam-I-Amand even then its sort of... bleh20:05
Sam-I-Amkklimonda: i can point you at the work done in os-ansible-deployment for it20:05
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kklimondasure, if you could - I'll see what I can make of it20:06
Sam-I-Amwell, take a look at os-ansible-deployment on stackforge/github20:06
kklimondathanks20:07
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Sam-I-Amand this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211747/20:07
Sam-I-Amnot merged yet, and kind of a mess20:07
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kklimondawhy is kilo support sort of.. bleh? :)20:07
Sam-I-Ambut if you've used IdP before, it might make some sense20:07
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Sam-I-Amkklimonda: maybe not quite prod-ready yet20:08
hoonetorgchannel: i'm already back :) hmmm20:08
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Sam-I-Amwe're still here20:08
hoonetorgimagine i have only 3x 64gb server for installation20:08
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kklimondaSam-I-Am: ok, I guess  another option would be to use AD directly, but we've seen some bad performance when using it with Havana20:09
hoonetorgmy idea was to run virtual machines for controller (and network) nodes.20:09
hoonetorgis that possible20:09
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hoonetorgunder opennebula it is machines running on compute nodes which don't belong to the cloud are called "Wilds"20:10
hoonetorgis that possible in openstack too. run controller as virtual machine, started directly with virsh on a compute node20:11
hoonetorgor is this silly and dumb??????20:11
Sam-I-Amwell...20:11
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baker@kklimonda we're using it against AD with juno20:12
bakerwe haven't seen any performance issues.... yet20:12
kklimondabaker: how many users do you have?20:12
bakeronly 30 or so20:12
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kklimondaI think part of it may be misconfiguration, keystone is pulling all our users from AD - ~150 or so20:12
bakerwe have a bunch more users20:13
bakertotal in AD20:13
bakerbut we use a filter to only pull those users that need openstack access20:13
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: you can probably get away with running the controller as a vm20:13
bakervia a group20:13
kklimondamhm, that's what I'm considering20:13
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: but if there's any contention for resources on that node (by other vms) you could have a problem20:13
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Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: also make sure openstack doesnt modify/nuke your rogue vm20:14
bakerit's worked well for us so far.  We have it configured as multidomain as well so that we can still use local service accounts and our users are backed by AD20:14
bakerfor auth at least20:15
bakerwe still do authorization native20:15
bakeron thing to consider though that I'm facing now, hopefully all users are in the same OU20:15
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: The other strategy would be to run 3x all-in-one nodes, somebody does that?20:17
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: to be honest try to build the smallest, well working high available openstack cloud20:18
Sam-I-Amyou could deploy all services on all nodes with some ha20:18
Sam-I-Amosad uses containers20:18
hoonetorgosad?20:18
Sam-I-Amos-ansible-deployment20:19
baker@kklimonda this is more less the guide we followed: http://richmegginson.livejournal.com/25846.html20:19
Sam-I-Amrather than vms, you containerize stuff20:19
Sam-I-Amless overhead20:19
hoonetorgSam-I-Am: sounds nice, lxc or docker?20:19
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Sam-I-Amlxc20:20
evilrobmotherfucker....  I fixed this last week.  starting linuxbridge-agent I get "no module named rabbit." missing python lib. grumble....20:20
kklimondabaker: great, thanks - I like how I can finally keep service users in Keystone DB, instead of moving them to LDAP20:20
* evilrob should take better notes20:20
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: if you didnt mind ubuntu + linuxbridge, you could technically just deploy 3-node osad and put compute on the same nodes20:20
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: but haproxy config and pacemaker business is yours to do :)20:20
* evilrob looked at haproxy/pacemaker and ran screaming. 20:21
stuartathey are lovely...20:21
stuartahaproxy more than pacemaker20:22
Sam-I-Amwell, if you want redundant haproxy, you need pm20:22
Sam-I-Amotherwise if your haproxy box dies...20:22
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: evilrob: I'm not scared of pacemaker,20:23
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evilrobit just looked too complex.  it was simpler for me to run a flat network with neutron & linux bridge on each compute node.20:23
hoonetorghad a lovely workshop with Dr. Michael Schwartzkopff(he wrote a book about it0, since then i love it20:24
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Sam-I-Amevilrob: well, you still need pm to ha haproxy20:24
Sam-I-Amor you just get a real pair of load bals20:24
Sam-I-Amno openstack services need pm anymore20:25
Sam-I-Amor corosync20:25
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hoonetorgas we said put anything into haproxy (except neutron) and then make haproxy ha with pm20:26
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: still liking the idea of vm's - makes maintenance easy - if lxc would only be capable of live migration yet20:30
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: why would you live migrate if theres 1 on each node?20:30
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hoonetorghoonetorg: good point, when i do a > reboot on such a all-in-one node with lxc-container, will the container savely be stopped?20:32
hoonetorgin your osad implementation?20:33
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mbeierlHmm... I cannot imagine lxc ever doing live migration20:33
mbeierlthat would be very interesting work20:33
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: yes, its handled like a machine20:33
Sam-I-Amsafe shutdown, safe restart20:33
Sam-I-Amyou can even run the commands yoursef20:33
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hoonetorgmbeierl: is/was on roadmap - project criu - watching it for years now20:34
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: by what service is this managed - pacemaker  ?20:35
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crc32johnsom: What is the price range you think they'll be at?20:36
Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: is what managed?20:36
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: the start and shutdown of the lxc container on boot/shutdown20:37
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Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: good question. iirc, containers start themselves on boot20:39
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: parallel looked at osad - playbooks, but did not understand at first sight20:40
hoonetorgwill look deeper into that20:40
Sam-I-Amthere's some docs for it20:41
Sam-I-Amon readthedocs20:41
hoonetorgoh thx, will look there20:41
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hoonetorgstarting/stopping lxc containers is also a good job for pacemaker20:41
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hoonetorgSam-I-Am: channel: i go read-the-docs :)20:47
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Sam-I-Amhoonetorg: enjoy20:53
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|splat|bonds are removed.  iscsi is on its own vlan and dedicated nics20:59
|splat|...20:59
|splat|all services are up.20:59
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Sam-I-Am|splat|: woo?21:00
|splat|testing iscsi now...21:00
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|splat|hmm21:05
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|splat|i’m seeing no traffic on the iscsi interface...21:05
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|splat|etc/cinder/cinder.conf   ::    iscsi_ip_address=172.20.102.1    thats all i set to change the iscsi network right?21:09
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Sam-I-Am|splat|: yeah whatever ip is on that interface21:17
|splat|i wonder if the old volumes have the old IP associated.21:17
Sam-I-Ami dont think that's stored, but existing mounts will probably use the old ip21:17
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|splat|i rebooted everything, should’ve refreshed all of that right?21:18
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Sam-I-Amyeah21:19
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Sam-I-Amwhats tcpdump say?21:19
Sam-I-Amor even ss21:19
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|splat|tgtd is listening on *:326021:20
Sam-I-Amis your traffic taking that route?21:20
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|splat|i think this new volume is, and only the new volume21:21
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Sam-I-Ambe curious what got stuffed into the db21:21
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|splat|well. i can confirm this new volume is much faster21:23
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|splat|eh,nm, about the same.21:23
|splat|100000000 bytes (100 MB) copied, 0.861708 s, 116 MB/s21:23
|splat|vs 100000000 bytes (100 MB) copied, 0.804383 s, 124 MB/s21:23
|splat|maybe the bonding was getting in the way21:23
|splat|both routes are single 1gig now21:24
Sam-I-Ami'd try a much larger file too21:24
Sam-I-Amlike, 10 gigs21:24
Sam-I-Amavoid potential caching issues21:24
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Sam-I-Am> 100 MB/s on a 1 gig link sounds suspicious21:25
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|splat|i’ll play with it more tomorrow. time to head home21:27
Sam-I-Amwhat is this home thing?21:27
Sam-I-Amyou mean, not-openstack time?21:28
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droyoi just upgraded from Grizzly -> Juno. I can't believe it worked21:30
|splat|detaching in OS and reattaching looks like it did the trick21:30
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|splat|openstack, not op.sys.21:30
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Sam-I-Amdroyo: wow21:31
Sam-I-Am|splat|: cool21:31
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droyoi had to write some extra DB queries that were missing in the migration from OVS to ML2, but everything is (almost) running, and no instances went down21:33
Sam-I-Amthats also good21:33
Sam-I-Amovs->ml2 was a bit sketchy with one version21:33
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Sam-I-Amdroyo: you should blog this :)21:42
droyooh I will, once I upgrade the remaining 3 clusters21:43
droyoand once I figure out why the dhcp agent is not getting its flows created21:43
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crayhi. my instances on private networks have issues receiving dhcp offers. Instances on flat netwroks works. We are using vxlan fro the private networks.22:52
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