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| evilrob | I woke up at 4am and I realized I didn't set the initial network as an external network. /me is RTFMing | 15:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | evilrob: ummm | 15:14 |
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| evilrob | 4am think isn't always clear. I'm trying to replicate what I did in my PHL lab, but not having luck. | 15:15 |
| evilrob | so I'm set up with linux bridge, trying to just allocate IPs directly on the physical network. is there a way to query what's existing to tell what I need to add? "neutron net-show" ?? | 15:17 |
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| evilrob | the params from net-show and subnet-show are the same on both setups. let's see what happens when I launch something. (error probably... then I'll dig through logfiles) | 15:21 |
| evilrob | and yes, if I woke up at 4am thinking about work, I probably need to slack off a little more | 15:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | umm yeah | 15:23 |
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| evilrob | nova api is timing out waiting for a reply. reply from where? nova on a compute node? | 15:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what is timing out? | 15:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | a message? | 15:25 |
| evilrob | yes. reply to a message | 15:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | rabbit problem | 15:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | something probably isnt configured to talk to rabbit correctly | 15:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | i need to grab some coffee, bbiab | 15:26 |
| evilrob | yup yup. thx for the pointer | 15:26 |
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| evilrob | my automated compute node install totally ate it's nova.conf | 15:29 |
| evilrob | that explains a lot | 15:29 |
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| evilrob | it showed up on service lists everywhere so I didn't check it out. | 15:30 |
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| portalBlock | Hello, I have a question but iit is rather long so I put it on my pastebin. Please have a look https://i.portalBlockz.net/sB3fs.txt | 15:39 |
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| evilrob | Sam-I-Am: bounced rabbit server, seemed to fix that problem. I was looking at the nova-compute.conf instead of the nova.conf. it didn't eat itself, I just didn't change the ceph password. | 15:52 |
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| evilrob | once messaging worked I could see that in the logs. | 15:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | portalBlock: i think thats possible | 15:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | evilrob: sounds like you need coffee | 15:54 |
| evilrob | BuildAbortException: Build of instance 82505b39-50b5-457d-817b-6036817039eb aborted: Failed to allocate the network(s), not rescheduling. | 15:54 |
| evilrob | so back to my network config probably | 15:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 15:55 |
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| portalBlock | Any idea of how one would implement it? I have never touched OpenStack and don't fully understand how it would work. | 15:55 |
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| portalBlock | Sam-I-Am, also would I be limited to 4096 VLANs? I don't anticipate that many being needed but at the same time if the customers start wanting 5 VLANs and I get more enterprise level than I thought I would, I would like to know I can scale. | 15:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | portalBlock: you can use tunnel-type networks too | 15:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | hauling vlans all over the place sounds like not fun | 15:57 |
| portalBlock | Yeah, I never thought of using tunnel networks. | 15:57 |
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| portalBlock | Would I need to use a guest OS on a compute node or can OpenStack provide the gateway services to a non OpenStack device(MikroTik/Cisco router, L3 switch)? | 15:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | openstack does routing | 15:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | this sounds like a combination of private/project and public/external networks | 15:59 |
| portalBlock | Awesome, now I just need to find out how to tunnel it all properly. Thanks! | 16:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | openstack manages the tunnels | 16:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | you just give it endpoint ips | 16:00 |
| portalBlock | I thought I had to tunnel from CPE to OpenStack node? | 16:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | whats at the cpe? | 16:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | maybe there's a piece missing here | 16:02 |
| portalBlock | Let me make a diagram. Back in a few minutes. | 16:02 |
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| evilrob | dhcp_agent.ini wasn't configured. agent wasn't running. | 16:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dur | 16:11 |
| evilrob | yeah... lots of that going around here this morning. | 16:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | maybe you should weekend harder | 16:11 |
| evilrob | "here" meaning my office. | 16:11 |
| evilrob | yes. yes I should | 16:11 |
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| evilrob | still failing to allocate network... hmmm... | 16:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i need to weekend harder. was a rough week. | 16:12 |
| evilrob | but at least now the controller has the dhcp namespace | 16:12 |
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| portalBlock | Sam-I-Am, Here is what I want to do. The CPE will be whatever they use for fibre access back to the PoP and they will handle configs. Company 1 & 2 should not be able to interact over anything but the public address even though they use the same VLAN ids (possible?). | 16:21 |
| portalBlock | Uh, picture might help https://i.portalBlockz.net/3qYYG | 16:22 |
| evilrob | Sam-I-Am: what would cause that failing to allocate network error? I see thesame bridge name on my controller & compute nodes. googling shows me to add vif_plugging_is_fatal=false which is crap. I didn't do that in philly. | 16:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hmm, this looks more like a pure networking solution solved by l3vpn | 16:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | evilrob: the network you're trying to attach to a vm is somehow not available on that compute node | 16:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | does the network id make sense? | 16:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | portalBlock: not sure what openstack gets you here without compute and storage | 16:25 |
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| portalBlock | Sam-I-Am, I was more looking at the gateway services because I want to give the the companies a block like 8.8.0.0/30 and they can decide what address gets used for what VLAN. | 16:27 |
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| portalBlock | Although I will also need a way to filter internet traffic for guest networks to be in compliance with local laws. | 16:27 |
| evilrob | which network ID are you referring to? | 16:28 |
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| evilrob | in brctl output? | 16:30 |
| evilrob | I have a virbr0 interface that's 192.168.122.1/24 that I don't recall configuring. is that some default? | 16:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah its a kvm thing | 16:31 |
| evilrob | brctl show gives me the right bridge name and a sensible ID on the controller. but on the compute node only the virbr0 is listed. | 16:31 |
| evilrob | hmmm... the bridge interface was there earlier | 16:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | portalBlock: connected to the cpe is a bunch of random stuff like computers and printers? | 16:32 |
| portalBlock | Yes | 16:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, openstack is not really what you want here | 16:32 |
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| evilrob | linuxbridge agent still running. | 16:33 |
| portalBlock | Eh, I was afraid of that. I was hoping I would be able to use it for the web panel and stuff. | 16:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | if it was several colos with machines and you wanted to separate services by location, it would make sense | 16:33 |
| portalBlock | Oh well, hunt continues. | 16:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | its possible with plain old network gear, but wont be self-service | 16:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's probably something out there that will configure your network gear, but i doubt it | 16:33 |
| evilrob | that's actually pretty lacking. | 16:34 |
| evilrob | any kind of tooling that will automagically configure network gear. | 16:34 |
| portalBlock | Sadly, unless I go the SDN route or write my own routing software I doubt this will work then. | 16:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, openflow is supposed to do it | 16:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | openstack has a lot of these things, but only in the datacenter context | 16:35 |
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| portalBlock | That would have been a really unique feature to offer to enterprise customers. Oh well, guess I can just offer layer 2 interconnect and have them do tickets for the more advanced things. | 16:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | there's talk about connecting physical stuff to openstack networks, but i'm not sure its there yet | 16:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | evilrob: whats in the lb agent logs on the compute node? | 16:37 |
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| evilrob | https://paste.ee/p/Qzl2Z "Agent out of sync with plugin!" doesn't look good | 16:39 |
| portalBlock | Sam-I-Am, can I still tunnel even if I don't use OpenStack? How would it look doing so? | 16:39 |
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| portalBlock | I guess that would be more ##networking talk. | 16:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | portalBlock: i'd use l3vpn | 16:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | theres no need for tunnels, and you can re-use vlans at every site | 16:42 |
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| portalBlock | Sounds good to me :D | 16:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | evilrob: thats a normal message | 16:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | evilrob: its whats happening when you try to boot a vm | 16:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | you should see something in there | 16:42 |
| evilrob | sits in spawning for a while (like a minute or something) then comes back with the failed to allocate network error | 16:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | portalBlock: bgp l3vpns probably work best | 16:43 |
| evilrob | ok. let me fire one off... | 16:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | with ospf at the customer sites to inject routes | 16:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can also inject a default route whereever you want to provide internet access from | 16:44 |
| portalBlock | Interesting, never thought of doing it like that. | 16:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | and maybe route leaking if you need different customers to talk directly | 16:44 |
| portalBlock | Yeah, now I need to learn MPLS/L3VPN xD | 16:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | its not too bad if you understand networking | 16:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | just buy the right gear | 16:45 |
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| portalBlock | Sam-I-Am, thank you so much for the help! I think this is the next best setup to what I need. | 16:47 |
| evilrob | Sam-I-Am: here's hat it did half an hour ago. it's started the same bits just now https://paste.ee/p/oNuIN | 16:47 |
| evilrob | from just now: https://paste.ee/p/mNR9F same thing | 16:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | portalBlock: sure | 16:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | evilrob: so you have one flat network, and want to put the vm on it? | 16:55 |
| evilrob | yes | 16:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | is it available on the compute node? | 16:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | in the bridge mapping | 16:55 |
| evilrob | in brctl you mean? | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | in ml2_conf.ini | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | you wont see the bridge in brctl until neutron builds it | 16:56 |
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| evilrob | physical_interface_mappings = provider:eth0 | 16:58 |
| evilrob | that one? | 16:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 17:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | and your flat network is called 'provider' ? | 17:01 |
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| evilrob | no. that's where I fucked up. | 17:02 |
| evilrob | it's called lab. so edit that so it says lab:eth0 and restart the agent (on both sides). | 17:02 |
| evilrob | right? | 17:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 17:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | all has to match | 17:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | brb running to grocery to pick up some meat to smoke | 17:03 |
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| evilrob | pork butt | 17:03 |
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| evilrob | I like pig butts! I cannot lie! | 17:03 |
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| evilrob | "NovaException: Unexpected vif_type=binding_failed" | 17:15 |
| evilrob | probably missed a setup command somewhere. | 17:15 |
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| evilrob | no, the commands I was thinking of were openvswitch bits. | 17:18 |
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| Royo___ | hey guys, im having trouble with novncproxy in a HA setup | 17:25 |
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| wasmum | anyone have time to talk about spice? | 17:39 |
| evilrob | Royo___: my novncproxy isn't working without HA. so I can't help much there. | 17:39 |
| Royo___ | lmao everyone having problems with their console redirect | 17:39 |
| Royo___ | i'm using SDN as well so without the vnc proxy i cant even ssh in to any VM | 17:40 |
| Royo___ | :( | 17:40 |
| evilrob | I just vnc direct to the compute node it's running on | 17:40 |
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| wasmum | has anyone configured spice with kilo? | 17:40 |
| wasmum | and had it working? | 17:40 |
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| evilrob | Sam-I-Am: with my network config, I can do this with a single physical interface right? | 17:43 |
| wasmum | evilrob: controller /etc/nova/nova.conf - DEFAULT section, two key values vif_plugging_is_fatal = False vif_plugging_timeout = 0 | 17:44 |
| wasmum | evilrob: put the same in your compute nodes (juno) | 17:44 |
| wasmum | srsly, anyone on the planet get spice working in kilo? | 17:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | evilrob: back. meat is on the smoker. | 17:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | evilrob: each node only has 1 interface? | 17:55 |
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| Royo___ | i know my colleague struggled with getting spice to work on juno | 18:13 |
| Royo___ | and never got it to fully work | 18:13 |
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| evilrob | Sam-I-Am: yeah. it seemed traffic was only going out one interface in philly, so we tried it this way. | 18:25 |
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| evilrob | wasmum: didn't have to do that in my philly cluster, and just did it here and it didn't matter. something else is going on. | 18:29 |
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| wasmum | evilrob: what release you using? | 18:30 |
| evilrob | Sam-I-Am: I can add another interface to these boxes if I need to. They're blades, the interfaces are just profile defined. | 18:30 |
| evilrob | wasmum: juno | 18:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | evilrob: theres no separation of management and vm traffic? | 18:31 |
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| Royo___ | i need help with my vnc problem too | 18:32 |
| Royo___ | :( | 18:32 |
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| evilrob | no. It'd just be vlan'd. There's a 40Gb connection between the chassis. | 18:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | evilrob: the linuxbridge agent wants to attach to some sort of interface | 18:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | it could be eth0, assuming your management is on something like eth0.XXX | 18:34 |
| evilrob | right. we give it in the mapping | 18:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | but if your ip is on eth0, thats not going to work | 18:34 |
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| evilrob | ok. wondered if that was what was going on. I'll toss this til monday. we were going to move these machines all to a different vlan. now I'll just get that vlan added as eth1. | 18:35 |
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| evilrob | on an unrelated note, what do you do with an instance that became unresponsive, and is now stuck in "rebooting" | 18:36 |
| evilrob | and doesn't have an associated qemu process on it's host | 18:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can force instance state | 18:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you can do some funky stuff to make one interface with linuxbridge work | 18:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | basically eth0 -> veth pair -> "fake" interface that the lb agent binds to | 18:37 |
| evilrob | they're free. just config in the chassis profile managment bits. | 18:37 |
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| evilrob | this makes more sense anyway. foreman is on one subnet building these boxen for us. we'll just use that net as the management net and the other one for vm network traffic | 18:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least two is good | 18:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | especially so your vm traffic doesnt crush management | 18:40 |
| evilrob | so nova reset-state ? | 18:40 |
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| evilrob | no | 18:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think so | 18:41 |
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| evilrob | that can move it between error and active. let's see if I can power it off after making it active | 18:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mmm, smoked meats | 18:51 |
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| evilrob | what are you smoking today? | 18:54 |
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| evilrob | grumble... I was hoping I could use a floating IP and just rebuild this. But with one flat physical network, there's no port to attach it to it seems. | 18:57 |
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| evilrob | well, not that's available at least | 18:57 |
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| evilrob | once this is up next week (unblocking developers) I'll go back to vlan config now that we can make the second port a trunking port pretty simply. | 19:00 |
| evilrob | no. next week, after this is up, I'll tear into OSAD | 19:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | evilrob: pork loin | 19:02 |
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| evilrob | hmmm... maybe this is why I can't do anything to that box. nova-compute service is down there. | 19:02 |
| evilrob | at least according to nova service-list | 19:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | you cant use floating ips with provider networks | 19:03 |
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| portalBlock | Sam-I-Am, did I understand correctly before, I can reuse VLAN ids over MPLS? | 19:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | portalBlock: they're two different things | 19:08 |
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| portalBlock | Oh | 19:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you want to haul L2 around, you can separate domains by mpls | 19:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | mpls doesnt care what vlans you send | 19:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you can pipe vlan X from location A to B, or pipe all of the customer vlans from A to B | 19:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | whether you do l2 or l3 depends on customer needs | 19:09 |
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| portalBlock | So if I am understanding this correctly its expanding the l2 domain over l3? | 19:10 |
| portalBlock | Or am I way off? | 19:10 |
| omarrr | yup, you use a l3 infrastructure to transport l2 | 19:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | mpls is sort of layer 2.5 | 19:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | if you dont want to transport L2 between customer sites, you would use L3 vpns | 19:11 |
| portalBlock | Ok good. After researching a bit I was unsure if it was actually what I needed but this clarified it for me. 100% what I need. | 19:12 |
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| evilrob | stupid supermicro crap. switch lost it's mind and had to be reset. | 19:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol | 19:16 |
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| evilrob | once I realized 2 of my compute nodes (in the same chassis) were "down" in service-list, I knew what was going on. | 19:19 |
| evilrob | so that problem is solved. I'm going to put extra interface in each of my nodes on monday and reconfig (I'll bother you again then probably, because I'm a noob and lazy). | 19:20 |
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| evilrob | until then, I'm going to weekend harder. | 19:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh | 19:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes, weekend | 19:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm going to do chores while the meat smokes... like wash the bathroom and vacuum | 19:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | such excitement | 19:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a pre-season game on tonight i'd like to watch | 19:21 |
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| Royo___ | If you dont specify a node for nova evacuate, does it try to schedule it to the same Availability Zone? | 19:51 |
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| Royo___ | I'm testing an Availability Zone going down so i want to let the scheduler decide a node on the other zone but I'm not sure if it'll try to force it on the same zone | 19:52 |
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| h0mer | Question: What is the quickest and easiest way to get openstack up and running on a bunch of nodes? (I have about 10 servers ready to go) | 22:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | h0mer: are you familiar with openstack? | 22:24 |
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| h0mer | yes. I've been trying the osad deployment, but it hasn't been going too well. I'm trying to understand the physical infrastructure setup and what I need to do from that perspective before trying to install anything, but I dont see any documentation that helps with understanding that portion of it | 22:25 |
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| h0mer | does osad require the same setup as if I were installing openstack manually? for example, controller node with 1 nic, compute nodes with 2, etc...? | 22:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | h0mer: osad doesnt have too many requirements | 22:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | the networking stuff in the docs are more or less a ref architecture | 22:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | generally, all osad nodes contain the same # of interfaces to make it easiest | 22:37 |
| h0mer | like 1 interface on a private vlan w/internet access? | 22:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats not going to work | 22:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you could probably do some magic, but reality is 1 interface, particularly with 1 vlan, is insufficient for any openstack deployment | 22:39 |
| h0mer | so I have two Dell r210's (which will be infra nodes), with 2 nics. 5 Dell R610's with 4 nics, 2 of which are connected to networks. 1 Dell 710 with 4 nics, 2 of which are connecte dto networks. | 22:40 |
| h0mer | 2 vlan's | 22:40 |
| h0mer | 10 network (with internet access), 20 network (internal only) | 22:40 |
| h0mer | Nic 1 on all machines is connected to vlan 10, Nic 2 on all machines is connected to vlan 20. I can up to 2 more nics to 2 more vlan's. But this is what im curious about, what is the network topology that is required for all my machines.. should i just follow the reference openstack docs? | 22:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | depends what you're trying to accomplish | 22:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | with 1 vlan, you're limited to 1 external/provider neutron network | 22:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | 1 vlan with internet access, that is | 22:43 |
| h0mer | test lab. Need to be able to have VM's (up to 30), Bucket storage (Swift/ceph), volume storage (cinder) | 22:43 |
| h0mer | learning so that i can recommend how to setup a massive opestack deployment (at work). | 22:43 |
| h0mer | massive being about 100+ nodes | 22:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | have you installed openstack manually yet? | 22:44 |
| h0mer | yep | 22:44 |
| h0mer | and rdo packstack and ubuntu juju/landscape openstack | 22:44 |
| h0mer | trying ansible now | 22:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | do you need internal/project networks, or just direct connectivity to the ext net from vms? | 22:45 |
| h0mer | some vm's need to be internal, some will be public facing with their own static ips | 22:46 |
| h0mer | so a combination of both | 22:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | hmm... then you somehow need to hack in vxlan endpoints | 22:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | be nice if you had a third vlan | 22:46 |
| h0mer | i can do that | 22:46 |
| h0mer | i can add two more | 22:46 |
| h0mer | for each machine | 22:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | in that case, you could have br-mgmt, br-vlan, br-vxlan, and br-storage if you wanted | 22:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | your interfaces become ports on those bridges | 22:48 |
| h0mer | my two switches have been segmented such that a set of ports for each VLAN id (e.g. port 1 - 10 for VLAN 20, ports 21 - 40 for VLAN 20, 41-48, open) etc.. I have another switch just like that for VLAN's 30 and 40 | 22:48 |
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| h0mer | so do i have to set up the neutron_networks.yaml to specify the bridges? | 22:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | what is that file? | 22:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | doesnt sound like osad | 22:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | osad uses openstack_user_config.yml for network stuffs | 22:51 |
| h0mer | I copied the openstack github repo and put it in my /etc folder | 22:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | os-ansible-deployment ? | 22:51 |
| h0mer | https://github.com/stackforge/os-ansible-deployment | 22:51 |
| h0mer | aw crap im using an old one | 22:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh | 22:52 |
| h0mer | yea its pretty much the same though, it's in the opnestack_user_config.yml.ai | 22:52 |
| h0mer | *aio | 22:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the aio file is for an aio | 22:53 |
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| h0mer | question, how do i determine what gets installed on what machine> | 22:59 |
| h0mer | ? | 22:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | h0mer: the same file | 23:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | infra nodes contain everything but compute and/or storage for the most part | 23:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | there's a list of hosts in there | 23:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | its in the docs | 23:05 |
| h0mer | sorry yea stupid question. I got caught up reading the comments in that file | 23:07 |
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