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haplo37Hi03:18
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larskshaplo37: howdy.03:58
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haplo37Hi, i would like to know the best way about how many ntp server i need to use on openstack. I see on the documentation only one ntp server is installed on the controller ?04:01
haplo37what is the recommendation about that ?04:01
larsksIdeally, all of your systems will have the same time.  NTP is used to synchronize the time among the systems.  You need to run ntp *clients* on all the systems.  You don't necessarily need to host an ntp server yourself; there may already be one available at your organization, or you can use the public NTP pool (pool.ntp.org).04:02
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haplo37Thanks :-) I think to use an ntp server in my organization because i have a little delay with the public NTP pool.04:05
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adaclarsks, Hi! I now booted the cirros image and logged in via console. There seems not to be an Ip assigned to the cirros instance. pinging google.de results in a  "bad address" message07:44
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namhoaihi everyone. I am reseaching project Trove in OpenStack . Now I want to set up Trove at Killo but i can't find any guide08:59
namhoaifor setting up Trove. Please send me if you have one. Thanks in advance. Here is my email: namptit307@gmail.com08:59
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asusk7m550namhoai: What about the openstack documentation: http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/database.html09:14
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mdihhello, is there a separate endpoint or method for downloading object in swift? not sure if api get object can be used in this one, sorry :(09:29
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adacHaving a look at the "Deployment scenarios" http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/deploy.html  And there are hardware requirements shown in a grafic, like "Controller node", "Network node" and "Compute node" 1 and 2. I was wondering: are all of those own phyiscal machines?10:18
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adacls -la10:19
adacuh sorry :)10:19
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asusk7m550adac: It doesn't need to be physical hardware. For some components it may be better to use physical hardware. I thing you should be able to run the controller node on a virtual machine.10:39
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adacasusk7m550, ok thanks!10:41
adacasusk7m550, when I sum that up then the controller node and the networking node together need alone 10 gigs of RAM. thats a lot :)10:42
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asusk7m550adac: In a test environment I have places three controller nodes (for HA) with each 8GB. This is not always enought for the minimum openstack services. So you will need the RAM. When you compare it to some other products 10GB is not that much. Just get a machine with 32GB and you can run your controller node and have spare memory.10:48
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PrincessZoeyI did a AIO install today on 20gb of ram. never wound up working with a VM.10:54
PrincessZoeywas too confused10:54
adacasusk7m550, Are those controller nodes all in the same datacenter?10:54
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asusk7m550My controller nodes are in a test environment, and will be places in one DC. So I am able to update/upgrade one of the controllers. I haven't tested it on a multisite location with high latency connection.10:56
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adacasusk7m550, what I was planning for now is to have two separate openstack installations (two clouds) in two different datacenters. For not to complicate things I would use just two physical servers one in datacenter 1 and the other in datacenter 2 and alos host the computing nodes on the same hosts10:57
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adacI want then to use docker swarm to create clusters in between these two clouds10:58
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adacthat is my plan currently. So if one datacenter is down I would still be fully operative10:58
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asusk7m550It should work. Why do you want to use openstack for that? Why not a simple KVM box?11:00
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adacasusk7m550, First of all docker-machine can create VM in openstack environments. That is nice. Secondly I might want to extend the cloud within one datacenter (add a second physical server or a third) and I tought this would be doable with openstack11:02
adacis it? :)11:02
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asusk7m550adac: That is possible. You can add extra nodes. Do you have shared storage? Than you should be able to add a new compute node and switch the docker machines to that new node.11:03
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asusk7m550I have thought about writing a manual how to create an openstack environment with one single box and expand it to multiple fysical boxes. So you can start small (low cost) and then grow bigger.11:05
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adacasusk7m550, could you please tell me what exaclty you mean about "shared storage". Do you mean that the two physical servers in one datacenter have a storage that is shared?11:06
adacasusk7m550, yes that sounds awesome!11:06
adacAns second question: without shared storage, would swichting the docker machines not be possible easily?11:07
asusk7m550Shared storage inside the datacentrum. When you add a new compute node and want to live migrate the docker images to new new node you have to have shared storage like ceph, swift or NFS.11:07
asusk7m550You can migrate to a new machine when the docker images is down without shared storage.11:07
adacdocker also allows plugins now such as flocker, with flocker i can have volumes that I can switch on demand to a new host11:08
adacok I see yes11:08
adacYeah I'm still not so sure yet, openstack has also volumes, and these could be ceph'ed11:08
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adacbut docker itself also has a volume managment, especially with flocker11:09
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adacasusk7m550, https://plugins-demo-2015.github.io11:10
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adacYou know you then only modify the docker.compose file and then flockr takes care of the volume migration11:11
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adacBut yeah, we will see what is best  I guess ;) First and foremost I need to get Openstack up and running properly. I'm now with devstack locally ina virtualbox, but my resources of course are limited, and I have issues even in getting networking up in my instances currently11:15
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adacso that is what I'm currently stuck with asusk7m55011:16
asusk7m550adac: I haven't user docker with openstack, so I cannot tell you something about it. Devstack is nice for a quick test environment.11:17
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adacasusk7m550, Ok I see yes. Well in any case thank you very much for the nice chat, it showed me new possibilites! :)11:21
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dr3662Hello everyone!, how to get "list pysical hosts"12:50
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larsksdr3662: maybe "nova hypervisor-list" is what you want?12:57
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dr3662it will list only compute nodes12:57
dr3662can i get with one call all th enodes list12:58
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larsksNot really, no; there's no single registry of hosts.12:58
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SamYapleservice list comes close i think13:39
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SamYapledr3662: ^13:40
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SamYaplei mean its not exact or anything, what are you really trying to find out?13:40
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lman4822SO, I'm running Latest Liberty code tests from https://github.com/openstack/puppet-openstack-integration/blob/master/fixtures/scenario001.pp and I'm getting this error still..14:19
lman4822Error: Could not set 'present' on ensure: undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass at 126:/etc/puppet/modules/thirdparty/keystone/manifests/roles/admin.pp14:19
lman4822Error: Could not set 'present' on ensure: undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass at 126:/etc/puppet/modules/thirdparty/keystone/manifests/roles/admin.pp14:19
lman4822Wrapped exception:14:19
lman4822undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass14:19
lman4822Error: /Stage[main]/Keystone::Roles::Admin/Keystone_user[admin]/ensure: change from absent to present failed: Could not set 'present' on ensure: undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass at 126:/etc/puppet/modules/thirdparty/keystone/manifests/roles/admin.pp14:19
lman4822Notice: /Stage[main]/Keystone::Roles::Admin/Keystone_user_role[admin@openstack]: Dependency Keystone_user[admin] has failures: true14:19
lman4822Warning: /Stage[main]/Keystone::Roles::Admin/Keystone_user_role[admin@openstack]: Skipping because of failed dependencies14:19
lman4822any ideas?14:19
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cucumber_If you have a VG that has 1TB and then you make it bigger (adding some PV or making that PV bigger and then reflecting it on the VG, let's say 2TB... when cinder will "know" about this increasement?14:47
cucumber_I'm askig because I just did this and when I try to create a new volume, beyond the first TB, it fails.14:47
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cucumber_I restart all cinder related services14:47
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is_nullhi all, is heat user_data executed before personality files are up ?15:08
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davidshaanyone active?15:30
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larsksdavidsha: got a question?15:55
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davidshalarsks: thanks, was just wondering was there a problem today with keystone db on the keystone master branch?16:03
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larsksAh, no idea; I'm not running anything from master right now.16:05
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davidshathat's fine, Thanks anyways!16:06
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cucumber_hi, I have a question I asked earlier...16:08
cucumber_If you have a VG that has 1TB and then you make it bigger (adding some PV or making that PV bigger and then reflecting it on the VG, let's say 2TB... when cinder will "know" about this increasement?16:08
cucumber_I'm askig because I just did this and when I try to create a new volume, beyond the first TB, it fails.16:08
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cucumber_I restart all cinder related services16:08
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larskscucumber_: I think that ought to work.  I can't test immediately because my current configuration is NFS-backed.  Is cinder reporting "out of space" sort of errors in the logs, or something else?16:09
cucumber_nope16:09
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cucumber_larsks, no error... let me do it again to show you what it says...16:10
cucumber_in /var/log/cinder/volume.log?16:10
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cucumber_device-mapper: resume ioctl on  failed: Invalid argument\n  Unable to resume cinder--disco--tramontana-volume--dd16ec7a--f30c--405a--9b97--c2453a274b4c (253:9)\n  Failed to activate new LV.\n'16:11
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cucumber_electrocucaracha, qué buen nick :)16:12
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electrocucarachacucumber_: jajaja gracias16:12
cucumber_larsks, that's the error I see in /var/log/cinder/volume.log16:12
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larsksThat's a new one to me.  Are you able to create new LVs manually on that VG?  And does "vgs" show the available space you expect?16:13
cucumber_larsks, vgs: cinder-disco-tramontana   1   2   0 wz--n-   4.44t   1.71t16:14
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cucumber_1.7TB free16:14
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larsksAnd does it work when you manually create a new LV on the cinder-volumes VG?16:15
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cucumber_let me check16:15
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cucumber_larsks, with this, it works: (because 1GB is smaller than the original PV free space)16:19
cucumber_lvcreate --name manual_test -L 1G cinder-disco-tramontana16:19
cucumber_this one, it doesn't work:16:19
cucumber_lvcreate --name manual_test2 -L 1300G cinder-disco-tramontana16:19
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cucumber_even it says I have 1.7TB free16:19
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cucumber_Unable to resume cinder--disco--tramontana-manual_test2 (253:10)16:19
cucumber_device-mapper: resume ioctl on  failed: Invalid argument16:20
cucumber_Failed to activate new LV16:20
larsksThat's interesting.  Sounds like an LVM problem rather than an openstack problem, though.16:20
cucumber_yes16:20
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cucumber_now I realize16:20
wNlvm++16:20
cucumber_I will check that out16:20
cucumber_thanks16:20
wNcucumber_: thats a known issue i believe. let me read back16:20
cucumber_wN, yes, please16:21
wNcucumber_: there is an old bug where some value was hardcoded, preventing anything larger than 1TB to be created16:21
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wNbut i dont recall exactly what it was. have you tried updating to the newest version of lvm?16:21
cucumber_wn, I was able to made 2TB volumes before made bigger the PV16:22
cucumber_let me explain you.. .16:22
SamYapleIm pretty sure i know what you are tlaking about wN and that is the glance snapshot limit of 1TB but thats a config option16:22
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wNSamYaple: ive seen it outsdie of openstack16:22
wNi think i documented it somewhere. let me see16:22
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wNcucumber_: can you check dmesg for the messages from device-mapper? it sould give you more detail16:22
cucumber_wN, how can I do that?16:23
wNjust run 'dmesg' from the command line16:23
cucumber_oh..16:23
cucumber_sorry16:23
wNdmesg | grep device-mapper16:23
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cucumber_[134696.045903] device-mapper: table: 253:10: loop2 too small for target: start=5874124800, len=2726297600, dev_size=650117120016:23
wNah16:24
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wNdid you use the pvresize command with the --setphysicalvolumesize flag?16:24
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cucumber_I know /dev/loop sucks in performance, but I have no other choice until Liberty is out due a bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1370226)16:24
openstackLaunchpad bug 1370226 in os-brick "LibvirtISCSIVolumeDriver cannot find volumes that include pci-* in the /dev/disk/by-path device" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Anish Bhatt (anish7)16:24
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cucumber_wN, yes, I used that16:24
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wNcucumber_: that causes issues like this. can you give me all the commands you used to extend? it looks like you're using a loopback16:25
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cucumber_yes, I am16:25
cucumber_I know is not good idea, but I have to use it for now. This is a temporary Openstack deployment and I need to make some instances run here.16:26
cucumber_let me show you the exact commands.. hold on16:26
wNthanks :)16:26
wNwhat that error is telling us is that LVM is trying to allocate space outside the bounds of the device. it means that size of the PV from the lvm perspective is incorrect16:27
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wNit happens if your device changes sizes and lvm is not updated, or if you incorrectly specify the value on pvresize.16:28
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cucumber_wN, first I had a 3TB file called /datos/discos/volumenes16:28
cucumber_then: truncate --size 4600G /datos/discos/volumenes16:28
wNyou can make lvm auto-detect the size and correct by running pvresize without the --setphysicalvolumesize16:28
cucumber_pvresize /dev/loop16:28
cucumber_no..16:29
cucumber_pvresize /dev/loop216:29
cucumber_that one16:29
cucumber_I mean...16:29
cucumber_pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 4550G /dev/loop216:29
cucumber_there you  go16:29
cucumber_that one16:29
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wNcucumber_: try running hte pvresize without the flag, and then creating the lv16:30
cucumber_pvresize /dev/loop2 ?16:30
wNyes16:30
wNthis is not hte bug i was talking about earlier btw. that bug was related to RAID lvm devices i think16:31
cucumber_that shrinked my PV16:31
cucumber_now is 3TB big again16:31
cucumber_instead 4.5TB16:31
wNokay, hat means that the loop device is not presenting the correct size16:32
cucumber_ /dev/loop2 is linked to /datos/discos/volumenes16:32
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wNwhat does /proc/partitions show? `grep loop2 /proc/partitions`16:32
cucumber_ /datos/discos/volumenes was 3TB and now is 4.5TB big (thanks to the "truncate" command I show you)16:32
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cucumber_wN, shows 3TB16:33
wNcucumber_: im not super familiar with loop back devices, but i suspect your backing file has been icnreased correctly, the kernel needs to be made aware of the change in space16:33
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wN       -c, --set-capacity loopdev16:33
wN              force loop driver to reread size of the file associated with the specified loop device16:33
cucumber_wN, yes... that's what I think16:33
wNlosetup -c /dev/loop216:33
wNthen pvresize, then lvcreate16:33
cucumber_hmmm16:34
evilrobstrange network stuff again today....  so created a new network on a new vlan (provider network -- scenario 4b) VM on a compute node can get an IP from dnsmasq running inside the netns on the controller node, but can't ping default gw or beyond.16:34
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evilroboh wait... this is access group stuff again I bet.16:34
cucumber_that was it!16:34
wN:)16:34
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wNthere is also a #lvm if you have any future questions on lvm. the devs are super helpful in there.16:34
cucumber_let me do the pvresize...16:35
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cucumber_yes, I didn't know it was a lvm problem. I will do it in the future16:35
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wNcucumber_: well, it wasnt really. it was a loopback problem16:38
wNhehe16:38
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cucumber_it worked16:38
cucumber_nice16:38
cucumber_thanks16:38
wNyep16:38
evilrobnope.  not stupid access-group stuff.16:38
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cucumber_I have my super slow volume up :)16:38
wNperfect! h aha16:38
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evilrobanyone openstack network literate around?  I've got a VM on a compute node that got an IP, can ping the ip for the DHCP server (it's an ip netns) and vice-versa, but can't ping the gateway IP (as shown in the subnet definition).  tcpdump shows the "right" bits with the right VLAN tag when pinging .2 from .3 and vice-versa, but when pinging .1, all tcpdump shows is unanswered ARPs16:52
evilrobthoughts?16:52
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evilrobphys network guy is building a blade to stick on that vlan now to test config16:53
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RedcavalierHi, I got a pretty though question regarding HA neutron routers and the neutron-metadata service.16:56
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RedcavalierBasically, our routers are set as high-availability, but we keep having random issues where our provisioned VMs don't get their metadata for very specific account.16:57
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RedcavalierHowever, we have the metadata service running on both network nodes16:57
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RedcavalierIs it possible that openstack, in this case, would tell a VM to query a specific server where, in fact, in the namespace, the metadata service is not running?16:59
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georgem1Redcavalier: the VM queries an address which is reachable through the default gateway -> aka the active neutron-router for that network17:01
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Redcavaliergeorgem1, so technically it should be impossible for the vm to query a router where the metadata service is not active in the namespace?17:02
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georgem1the VM has no saying where the traffic goes, its routing table says that in order to reach 169.254.169.254 you have to send the traffic to 10.0.0.1, for example17:03
Redcavalieryea17:03
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georgem1but it is very possible that something is broken, especially if you recreated a router as HA after starting some VMs.17:04
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Redcavalierwell, the behaviour we noticed is that sometimes we'll have a user that will keep provisioning virtual machines where the metadata doesn't work.17:05
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Redcavalieris there a command that would tell me, for a specific tenant, which routher is active in such a HA setup?17:06
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RedcavalierIf I have that I can prove my theory that the active router and the one where metadata is active aren't the same.17:07
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tonythomashello ! I was trying to setup Openstack, following http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/ and on ./stack.sh I get this error message : echo 'Service n-cauth is not running'17:08
tonythomasany idea what is happening wrong ?17:08
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georgem1Redcavalier: you can see what's the mac for the default gw inside the instance and then compare with the two neutron routers17:09
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georgem1also read this http://blog.oddbit.com/2014/01/14/direct-access-to-nova-metadata/17:09
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Redcavaliergeorgem1, Thank you. One last thing before I go test this out, in the openstack HA guide, they say you need to have the metadata service run as active/passive, but I'm wondering if that take the existence of HA routers into account.17:10
RedcavalierIt also doesn't make any sense having it active/passive, when all other neutron net nodes services are active/active.17:12
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georgem1which guide are you reading?17:13
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Redcavalierhttp://docs.openstack.org/high-availability-guide/content/_run_neutron_metadata_agent.html17:14
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georgem1I think it's old17:15
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Redcavalieryea, me too. My boss is challenging me on that though17:16
georgem1http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/deploy_scenario3a.html17:16
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nllrtehow do i correlate a network namespace with an instance?17:23
georgem1Redcavalier: I have to go but I'll give a quick explanation of how this works: the VM queries 169.254.169.254 and traffic is sent to the default gw -> neutron router; inside that namespace there is a iptables NAT rules that sends this traffic port 969717:23
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Redcavaliergeorgem1, oh that'S fine, I'm very well acquainted on how metadata works through http works. We've had tons of problem with that for the past year.17:24
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georgem1Redcavalier: inside that namespace also there is a neutron-ns-metadata-proxy service that listens on port 9697 and forwards the traffic to the nova-metadata service defined as  nova_metadata_ip in "/etc/neutron/metadata_agent.ini"17:25
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georgem1Redcavalier: cool, knowing how it works helps a lot when troubleshooting; finding that something is broken and the fix is restarting a service doesn't unfortunately help when it happens again because of a race condition :(17:27
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georgem1and now I really have to go17:28
Redcavaliergeorgem1, alright, thank you for everything17:28
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larsksnllrte: instances don't have network namespaces, but routers and dhcp servers do.17:34
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larsksrouter namespaces are named "qrouter-<uuid>" where <uuid> is the uuid of the router.  dhcp namespaces are named "qdhcp-<uuid>", where <uuid> is the id of the associated network.17:35
nllrtelarsks: i'm trying to find the namespace that the instance's port is associated with17:35
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larsksnllrte: instance ports aren't associated with network namespaces.  There are no namespaces in use on the compute host where the instances are running.17:36
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larsksnllrte: assuming neutron, here's some detail about how everything is connected in a simple scenario: http://blog.oddbit.com/2013/11/14/quantum-in-too-much-detail/17:37
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ramaboiHi I am not able to load horizon dashboard on my browser17:49
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ramaboiis there something I am missing? This is new setup for demp17:50
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ramaboiSorry got it, firewall ports were blocked17:52
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RedcavalierIn neutron ha, is there a way to force the setup to use a specific node, beside restarting one of the 2 nodes?18:02
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t4nk749hello19:48
t4nk749has anyone used packstack?19:48
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[Outcast]is there a way to pass kernel options to an instance with the nova boot command?19:49
t4nk749has anyone used packstack?19:49
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zaoSince a whole minute ago, probably not.19:52
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t4nk749can someone help me with packstack?19:55
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larskst4nk749: no need to ask the same question so many times.  Either someone will be able to answer or they won't.19:56
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larskst4nk749: You need to be willing to wait a bit.  Also, it's friday and getting towards the end of the day in the US, so fewer people around now then earlier in the day.19:56
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vmbrasseurt4nk749 The wiki page suggests you may also be about to find Packstack help in the #rdo channel. Perhaps someone there will be able to assist more quickly?19:57
vmbrasseur^about^able19:57
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larsks[Outcast]: I think that's possible if you're booting with a separate kernel/initrd (that is, you're not using a typical image-with-everything-included).19:59
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larsks[Outcast]: there'sa blueprint on that topic here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/expose-ramdisk-kernel-and-command-line-via-rest-and-cli19:59
larsksI don't know the actual state of things.19:59
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[Outcast]larsks: that is what I figured, just found the link too. thanks.20:04
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aniasisHello21:44
aniasisI'm lost on how to edit a heat orchestral template21:44
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