Friday, 2015-11-06

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pocketprotectoranybody here ever use Scality Ring?00:00
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scubabripocketprotector, yes, what would you like to know?00:19
pocketprotectorwhat is your experience with it? support?00:19
pocketprotectorwas it hard to implement?00:20
scubabriwe have been in the process of implementing for about 6 months now. I'm ok with it. Fortunately scality has been very good at helping out00:20
scubabriwe have 24 nodes in a 1.8PB ring between 3 sites00:20
pocketprotectorcurious why its taking 6 months00:21
pocketprotectoris that just a migration lag?00:21
scubabrilots of other projects.00:21
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scubabriand yes, migration lag00:21
pocketprotectordid you buy your own HW or chose your own?00:21
scubabriwe have HP DL360 G9's00:21
pocketprotectorwhat work load you doing with it?00:22
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scubabriall object store, between 10KB and 200KB documents00:22
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pocketprotectorCool & Interesting00:22
scubabriwe currently have about 1 billion documents that will need to migrate off traditional storage (netapp) to scality00:23
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scubabriin the next 3 weeks we'll be making the switch so that all new documents will go to scality00:23
pocketprotectorhave you had any transparent faults (yet)?00:23
scubabriother than drive failures, all of our failures have been through testing, and it meets it documented resiliency00:24
scubabrias long as you follow their recommendations, its pretty rock solid00:24
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scubabriI'm hoping to use it for Swift at some point, but not in the next year.00:25
pocketprotectorvery cool stuff! did you have professional services assemble and build out their design?00:25
scubabriyes and no.00:25
pocketprotectori guess also the obvious piece is price.. is the scality ring based on the amount of storage you have?00:26
scubabriThey did the lab server, and then I rebuilt it, then they assisted with our large production setup. I'll be doing our Sydney and Perth ring00:26
scubabriyes.00:26
pocketprotectorvery cool00:26
scubabriand its the amount of storage used, regardless of the number of rings00:26
pocketprotectorthats an attractive term00:26
scubabriI dont know if that is their standard pricing model though.00:26
pocketprotectorit is from what i know00:27
scubabriyes, and commodity hardware, we went with HP because they beat out supermicro, by a lot.00:27
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scubabriwhich surprised the hell out of all of us.00:27
pocketprotectorIm happy to hear your account. They are a smallish player in large scale performance00:27
scubabribut it was very welcome00:27
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scubabriyes. But they met our needs, others may have different requirements.00:28
pocketprotectorOdd, supermicro is usually dirt cheap. The only thing about HP is they take the longest to boot00:28
scubabriBut not only do they do object store through rest, but they also do S3 (RS2), nfs and cifs through fuse and they also have a Swift connector00:28
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scubabriyah, hp does take forever to boot.00:29
pocketprotectoryeah i know, they are like a french army knife00:29
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pocketprotectorthey also support CDMI00:29
scubabriIf you hook up with Scality, tell the Brian from Netdocuments said hi.00:29
pocketprotectorI will.00:29
scubabri:)00:29
pocketprotectorMy name is Brian too00:29
scubabrifreaky.00:30
scubabri:D00:30
scubabriI'm in the process of learning openstack. I have Maas, Juju Landscape running at home on 6 Dell R510's00:30
scubabriI'm here hoping that I can get help with the networking side, which is kicking my arse.00:31
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Sam-I-Ammmm networking00:31
pocketprotectorTo be honest I don't use OpenStack00:31
Sam-I-Amso whats up with networking?00:32
pocketprotectorour company went to AWS =(((((00:32
scubabriwheee!00:32
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scubabriGood luck with it, and if I can help out anymore, brians@netdocuments.com or the boys at Scality are very good to work with.00:34
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scubabrisam-i-am I'm trying to understand how to make vlan's work00:35
scubabriI'm using my cisco switch for my provider network routing.00:35
Sam-I-Amok00:36
scubabriI'm just trying to muddle my way through ovs and neutron. Right now, I'm just lurking here to see how things in the IRC channel work, at some point I'll be ready to ask my questions.00:36
Sam-I-Amso you just need basic provider networking with vlans... no tenant/project networks?00:36
Sam-I-Amwell, i'm the networking guy here00:36
scubabriright now, just a single project network is fine.00:37
Sam-I-Ami wrote most of the networking guide on docs.openstack.org... and the installation guide.00:37
scubabrinice… good work btw00:37
scubabrijuju is making things a little more complex for me, but I'm ALMOST understanding how that works and I've been able to track down my neutron node and look at the configs00:38
Sam-I-Amso you need a project network... i.e., with a virtual router and all?00:38
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Sam-I-Amor do you just want to attach your VMs directly to a physical network (vlan)00:38
scubabriusing a provider network is fine for now, so just a project network to a tagged network00:39
Sam-I-Amdeployment tools, especially ones that do bare metal provisioning and other magic, tend to make things more complicated than necessary00:39
scubabriyah, like I said, I'm not quite sure I'm smart enough yet, to ask the right questions and understand the answers.00:39
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scubabriwhen I get to that point, I'll start asking.00:40
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scubabribut I'm able to spin up instances and assign floating IP's no problem00:40
Sam-I-Amgeneral neutron terminology - a project network is entirely virtual and managed by users. a provider network is one that resides on the same physical layer 2 nework00:40
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Sam-I-Amyeah, the floating ip thing is what i consider 'true' self-service cloud networking00:40
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Sam-I-Amhowever, its not ideal for some deployments, particularly if you want performance or redundancy00:41
scubabriI figured as much, and I susect that its not tagging as I have native vlan set on the switch port.00:41
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Sam-I-Amyou have to weigh self-service-ness vs. performance/redundancy00:41
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Sam-I-Amwhat encap type do the project networks use in juju?00:42
scubabrithis will be for dev, qa and support, so self service will be more important.00:42
scubabrigre00:42
scubabriI believe thats what you are asking?00:42
lothno vxlan? sad panda00:42
Sam-I-Amyeah00:43
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Sam-I-Amloth: but but but... now geneve is the new hotness :)00:43
Sam-I-Amand also terrible00:43
scubabrithat's default, I figure once I get smart enough I can change the charm config or better, write my own.00:43
Sam-I-Ami've never used juju, but i can tell you what you want00:43
lothi found juju way more trouble than its worth :) YMMV00:43
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Sam-I-Amso you assign floating ips, but you cant get to them? and vms can't see out?00:44
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Sam-I-Ami find deployment tools like that way more trouble than they're worth00:44
Sam-I-Amhave you deployed openstack by hand before?00:44
Sam-I-Amor just dove into juju?00:44
scubabrino, I can get to the floating ip's no problem, I just suspect they arent tagged.00:44
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scubabriI've accommodated for untagged traffic on the switchports.00:44
Sam-I-Amhow did it create the external network?00:44
Sam-I-Amthere's usually some --provider: flahs00:45
Sam-I-Amflags00:45
Sam-I-Amnetwork_type, segmentation_id (vlan), etc00:45
scubabrithat I dont know, since I used maas, and landscape autopilot, maas made all though decisions for landscape.00:45
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Sam-I-Amyeah, so back to my other question - have you deployed by hand yet?00:46
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scubabrinot yet.00:46
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Sam-I-Ammight be a good idea00:46
scubabriafter I play with this for a while, I'll fall back and deploy by hand.00:47
Sam-I-Amyou'll understand how all of the bits go together00:47
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scubabrifor sure.00:47
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scubabribut like with every admin, time is precious.00:47
scubabriso I work on this at home00:47
Sam-I-Amit is, but diving right into a deployment tool, especially one as complex as juju... probably wastes more time in the long run.00:47
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pandauh ?00:48
scubabrithe nice thing is, vlan's are not critical, so it gets my devops guy something to work with00:48
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scubabriso I'm prolly going to go into PoC with this so he can start writing deployment and images, and then I'll work on the nice stuff like vlan tagging.00:49
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Sam-I-Amwhats your ultimate deployment goals in terms of size and features?00:49
scubabriI'd like to replace most of my 10 hyperv servers with openstack using kvm and only have hyperv for the stuff that i have to run directly on hyperv00:49
scubabriwe'll prolly have 16 physical servers00:50
scubabriand about 30 users.00:50
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scubabrithe good thing, I'm driving this… everyone else, except my devops guy is like.. open.. what?00:50
scubabri:D00:51
Sam-I-Amlol00:51
scubabriso there is no timeline or pressure other than me wanting to learn00:51
Sam-I-Amwell, openstack provides plenty of learning00:51
scubabriof course that will change when the dev guys get hooked on the openstack meth.00:51
Sam-I-Amyou'll stop sleeping and probably end up with some bad habits00:51
scubabriand then I have a job for life.00:51
scubabriyah, I'm already that the no sleeping point.00:52
Sam-I-Amso now you begin the drinking point00:52
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scubabrifor the last couple weeks trying to get hyperv images to work in maas.00:52
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scubabriI drink the good stuff, so that helps me not work all night.00:52
scubabri2 makers mark's and I'm about done.00:53
lothwell openstack works with hyperv too http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/support-matrix.html00:53
scubabriyes, but I dont really want it to.00:53
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scubabriI'd like to get rid of as much hyperv as I can.00:54
scubabrijust the licensing is enough to make me want it to go away.00:54
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scubabriwe have a pretty complex product, I'm hoping that I can use openstack to orchestrate or bundle the deployment of sandboxes for the devs, and then all the way through the release process.00:55
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scubabrithats my dream anyway. I spoke with our vp of dev, he's on board with it as well.00:56
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scubabriI need to take the dog out, loth, sam-i-am, thanks for the word, I'll be lurking here for the next few weeks, if you see me, say hi.00:57
scubabriand I'll periodically post my progress, or lack of.00:58
Sam-I-Amheh00:58
Sam-I-Ami'll be here. i'm always here.00:58
scubabri:)00:58
Sam-I-Amwell, mostly during US biz hours00:58
lothnah, once you left for sleep or something00:58
Sam-I-Amsometimes sleep00:58
Sam-I-Amlol00:58
Sam-I-Amyeah00:58
scubabrisleep when you're dead… I always say.00:59
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phd2hey anyone here run keystone 3.002:11
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phutchinsMrCurious: Awesome, thanks. I'll definitely give it a shot and I appreciate the link/tips!03:02
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MrCuriousphutchins: thank Sam-I-Am not me :)03:30
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partnerwhat are my options for setting up custom domains for instances in different tenants and networks? i cannot live with one global dns domain. rdo kilo10:18
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kklimondais there any hack I could use to create two floating IP pools, and give projects different quotas per pool?12:37
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Sam-I-Amloth: moo.13:36
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tenshiHey Sam-I-Am13:37
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warfront1I have a virtualbox (QCOW) vm that I am trying to upload to openstacks but I blue screen as windows is trying to start15:12
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PidalyPieHey we had the openstack-nova-metadata-api process on compute nodes that seems to die and respawn. But something odd was that it was just eating a whole ton of cpu and causing a reallu high load on the systems.  Does anybody know what this could be? We run icehouse15:14
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warfront1Is there anything special I have to do to my Virtual Box VM to make openstacks accept it properly?15:15
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_nickwarfront1: yes, there's a few things you'll probably need to do to your windows image to ensure it's compatible with openstack15:38
_nickwarfront1: take a look here for an example http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/content/windows-image.html15:38
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_nickyou're almost certainly missing the virtio drivers for a start15:38
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warfront1Would it be easier if I Uploaded my install disk iso15:38
_nickwarfront1: no, you still need to perform those steps15:39
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_nickthere are pre-prepared (for openstack) windows server images available from the cloudbase.it guys15:40
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_nickhttps://cloudbase.it/windows-cloud-images/15:40
warfront1My service runabove (ovh) has a windows server 2012 image for me to use at will15:41
warfront1which works great, because they already prepared it15:41
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warfront1I am attempting to run a light version of windows xp instead15:41
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_nickgood luck with that!15:43
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warfront1Was that sarcastic?15:44
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_nickyeah, unhelpfully so - sorry15:45
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warfront1I'm new and very interested in openstacks, I'm not sure of what I can/can't do15:45
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_nicki'm not sure how far you'll get running windows xp tbh, although really it depends on what hypervisor you're using with openstack15:45
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warfront1Maybe it would be a better approach for me to rip out all of the bloat from the base windows server image15:46
_nickopenstack's ability to virtualise a given operating system is dictated by the hypervisor you select - some hypervisors work better with windows than others15:46
_nickmaybe, or use windows server core15:46
_nickbut you'll have to prep your own image15:46
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_nickdepending on the cloud provider they might not want you running your own windows images either15:47
_nickdepends on their licensing agreement with microsoft15:48
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olivahi there I'm testing openstack following the basic tutorial. I have a problem with the dhcp: my instances don't get the ip address with dhcp unless I don't disable the firewall on both the network manager and the compute node. Is there any documentation about setting up the firewall on those?15:49
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lothSam-I-Am, you familiar with keystone tokens at all? im getting lots of random auth failures after upgrading to an HA setup with memcached token backend16:16
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lothhere is keystone.conf http://pb.ubiquity.io/66 nova.conf http://pb.ubiquity.io/67 and neutron.conf http://pb.ubiquity.io/68 if that helps16:23
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_nickloth: active / active?16:31
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_nickloth: if so, have you made sure that the ssl certs used to sign tokens are the same on both nodes running keystone?16:31
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lothWhere is that located? /etc/keystone/ssl/certs/signing_cert.pem16:33
_nickloth: that's the one16:33
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lothweird, i dont have the ssl directory on the new nodes installed for kilo16:34
_nickyou probably want to make sure that /etc/keystone/ssl is the same on both actually16:35
_nickcan't remember what we do exactly offhand16:35
* _nick checks16:35
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anipDo we have a detailed document or tutorial on how to extend nova api more like a developing plugin to extend rest api and python client16:40
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MrCuriousno working heat source is getting old!16:47
Sam-I-Amloth: moo, back again16:47
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lothSam-I-Am, you see anything wrong with the configs there?16:50
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Sam-I-Amloth: does (or did) it work fine with sql backend?16:51
Sam-I-Amloth: what were you using before?16:51
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lothwas working okay before using keystone.token.persistence.backends.sql.Token on Juno, we moved to 4 nodes with kilo using the memcache setup16:53
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Sam-I-AmMrThePlague: moo16:54
MrThePlagueSam-I-Am: Good day16:54
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Sam-I-Amloth: was this also HA?16:54
loththe old setup was just the one node16:54
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Sam-I-Amloth: this this using o-a?16:55
Sam-I-Amor you own ansibleness16:55
lothmy own thing16:55
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lothsame process though16:55
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_nickit'll be your certs16:58
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Sam-I-AmMrThePlague: still swifting?17:00
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MrThePlagueSam-I-Am: Yes sir. Looks like when I'm attempting to upload a file, I'm getting this error message on the object nodes 'mkdir(name, mode)#012OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/srv/node/sdc/accounts''17:00
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visbitsSam-I-Am im booting an instance from volume, and if i specify the bootindex=0 the instance wont boot, however if i edit the xml file on the hypervisor and reload it, it will start... any idea?17:02
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Sam-I-AmMrThePlague: did you set the permissions on /srv/node/* ?17:11
Sam-I-Amas owned by swift?17:11
MrThePlagueSam-I-Am: Yes sir17:12
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Sam-I-Amthat error kind of tells me thats not the case17:13
Sam-I-Amor something is wrong with permissions17:13
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MrThePlagueYeah for sure17:13
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MrThePlagueThat's where I went first17:13
Sam-I-Amwhats the output of ls -lR in /srv/node ?17:13
MrThePlaguehttp://paste.openstack.org/show/478204/17:14
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loth_nick, seems keystone is happier now17:16
_nickloth: awesome17:16
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Sam-I-AmMrThePlague: what happens if you chown -R swift:swift ?17:17
Sam-I-Amloth: it just magically got better?17:17
lothalso sql connection limit went back to default on restart :( even though its set in /etc/my.cnf and /etc/my.cnf.d/galera.cnf17:17
Sam-I-AmMrThePlague: also who is the swift processes running under?17:17
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lothso raised that, and copied /etc/keystone/certs over to the other nodes, then restarted all nova/neutron/httpd processes17:17
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loth /etc/keystone/ssl i mean17:20
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lothSam-I-Am, this may be more up your alley, all of my instances with routers + floating ip's are still in the dark post-upgrade17:21
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lothI've done some digging and the qrouter does show in the ip namespace17:21
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Sam-I-Amwhat do you mean in the dark?17:22
Sam-I-Amcant ping anything?17:22
lothsorry, no pinging17:22
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lothinstance cant hit the router interface17:22
Sam-I-Amare the agents running and checked in with neutron-server?17:22
lothyep17:22
MrThePlagueSam-I-Am: Looks as though they're all running as `swift`. Changing the ownership to swift seems to have done the trick17:23
jidarSam-I-Am: you done any work with the nexus equipment/drivers?17:24
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Sam-I-AmMrThePlague: interesting. well, file a bug and i'll go fix it. the swift packages on all distros have had tons of problems with permissions on swift storage dirs17:25
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MrThePlagueSam-I-Am: Thanks Sir. I'm thankful that you don't charge by the hour haha17:25
Sam-I-Ammy current swift install seems happy with root:swift, so... heh17:25
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Sam-I-Amjidar: nope17:30
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Sam-I-Amloth: have you restarted the agents?17:30
lothSam-I-Am, yeah, restarted everything to do with neutron heh17:31
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Sam-I-Amwhats in the l2 and l3 agent logs?17:32
Sam-I-Amand whats in your namespaces17:32
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Sam-I-AmMrThePlague: hows it working?18:17
MrThePlagueSam-I-Am: Like a champ, thanks!18:17
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Sam-I-Amso what all did you deploy so far?18:17
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MrThePlagueKeystone, Glance, Nova, Neutron, Cinder, Swift, and Heat18:18
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PidalyPieHey we had the openstack-nova-metadata-api process on compute nodes that seems to die and respawn. But something odd was that it was just eating a whole ton of cpu and causing a reallu high load on the systems.  Does anybody know what this could be? We run icehouse18:19
Sam-I-AmMrThePlague: all the things18:20
MrThePlagueYep, just going down the list18:20
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MrThePlagueWorking on Ceilometer atm18:20
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Sam-I-Amehhh yeah18:20
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MrThePlagueShould I be worried?18:23
Sam-I-Amceilometer needs a lot of love18:24
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MrThePlagueGotcha18:25
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Sam-I-AmMrThePlague: glad to see you've only found one issue in the guide... an issue that seems to come and go periodically18:31
MrThePlagueYeah, the guide seems pretty solid. Well done!18:31
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MrThePlagueAlthough, when I do a 'heat service-list' I only see 1 heat-engine component, and the guide says I should see 418:32
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MrThePlagueBut tbh, I'm sure it's a me thing again, and not a guide thing18:33
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SpeeRhow can I change the password that I've set with this?19:35
SpeeRopenstack user create --domain default --password-prompt admin19:35
SpeeRI've attempted to use openstack user password set19:35
SpeeRand it keeps telling me requires auth19:36
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RageLtManIs anyone around to help with a neutron problem in Kilo?20:02
RageLtManI have two external networks and floating IPs attached to a router facing one of them seem to dissapear from L2 - ARP on a host with a NIC facing into the public network shows no MAC for the IP i'm trying to hit.20:03
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RageLtManrestarting the Neutron router which is responsible for holding the NATs for those floating IPs fixes it... for about an hour20:04
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RageLtManbasically it looks like neutron is losing entries from whatever its equivalent of an FDB is20:04
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Sam-I-AmRageLtMan: restarting the l3 agent?20:29
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RageLtManwhere?20:30
RageLtManhi btw, and thanks as always20:30
RageLtManI have a single controller and 5 compute nodes20:30
Sam-I-Amyou said 'restarting the neutron router'20:31
Sam-I-Amthere's an l3 agent that manages the router20:31
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RageLtManah, so i set the router to disabled state in horizon, then re-enabled20:32
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RageLtMandoing a "service neutron-server restart" on the controller does not help though20:32
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Sam-I-Amso this is plain old l3 with ovs or linuxbridge?20:34
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RageLtManOVS, the external net in question is actually a vxlan20:35
RageLtManso, on the controller i found the IP namespace corresponding to the router20:35
RageLtMani executed bash in it, and ifconfig shows on IP addrs. is that normal?20:35
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Sam-I-Amvxlan external network... interesting20:36
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RageLtManits a private external network20:37
RageLtManso i matched the name of the iface in he namespace to the UUID of the iface in neutron20:37
RageLtManassigned it the IP of the interface in neutron manually via ifconfig in the namespace20:37
RageLtManand i can ping the hosts internal to the private net which is behind the router20:38
RageLtManfrom that namespace20:38
RageLtManbut i still cant hit external floating IPs20:38
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kbringardyou should have a qg interface inside the router namespace20:39
kbringardand that should have at least one IP from the floating CIDR20:39
kbringardwith the CIDR's netmask20:39
kbringardand if you've assigned any floaters from the floating net, it should have corresponding IPs on the qg interface with /32 netmasks20:39
RageLtManthe CIDR's netmask is a /2020:39
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kbringardso when you ifconfig or ip addr show or whatever20:40
RageLtManthere's a qr interface20:40
kbringardyou should have qr20:40
kbringardyea, that's the internally facing one20:40
Sam-I-Amqr is on the private side20:40
kbringardthe port on the subnet20:40
kbringardthen the qg is the port on the external/floating net20:40
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kbringardif you don't have that, then something has gone awry20:40
RageLtManall it has is this - http://pastebin.com/g10RjrzW20:40
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RageLtManwhich namespace would the other ifaces be in?20:40
kbringardqr and qg should all be in that router's specific namespace20:41
kbringardwhich is where you are in that paste20:41
kbringardthe namespace's routing table should also have an entry for the floating IP's next hop/gateway20:41
Sam-I-Amalso use 'ip' and not 'ifconfig'20:41
kbringardwhich I'd wager it doesn't20:41
kbringard^^20:42
kbringardwhat sam said20:42
RageLtManso basically i'm missing interfaces and the whole L3+ structure20:42
RageLtMansince the vif there has no IP20:43
RageLtManthere's no route20:43
kbringardseems like20:43
RageLtManany thoughts as to why, how, and what i should do to fix it?20:43
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kbringardbut, the route stuff is likely short circuted by the interface not existing20:43
Sam-I-Amso you found the qrouter namespace, did an 'ip a' in there, and just see a qr- interface with no ip?20:43
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RageLtManyup20:43
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RageLtManI've tried turning L2 population off, doesnt seem to help20:44
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Sam-I-Amdid this ever work?20:44
Sam-I-Ami'm guessing no20:44
Sam-I-Amor you changed something20:44
Sam-I-Amso you have a private net (vxlan) to which VMs attach, a router, and an external/public net (also vxlan?)20:45
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RageLtManyes20:47
RageLtManit works for a bit then stop20:47
RageLtMani have two external networks, which i assume to be part of the cause20:48
RageLtManthere's a true public on the WAN and the VXLAN public internal to the stack20:48
RageLtMannow i'm seeing hosts in the virtual public not even get DHCP20:48
RageLtMansomething is very rotten in the state of denmark20:48
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Sam-I-Am"vxlan public" sounds a bit sketchy, how is it different than a vxlan internal/private network?20:49
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Sam-I-Amloth: figure it out?20:52
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RageLtManhmm20:55
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Sam-I-AmRageLtMan: i need to jet. might be back later.21:13
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RageLtManthanks, i gotta walk dog anyway21:13
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Sam-I-Amsomething is goofy21:13
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SpeeRthis config dir isn't created on the compute node for a self-service network, /etc/neutron/plugins/ml222:25
SpeeRam I missing something? Or just create it and continue on?22:25
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SpeeRI thinking I need to install neutron-plugin-ml222:26
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SpeeRbut that is only on the controller page22:26
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RageLtManso i now see multiple NICs in the IP namespace of the router, with the qg holding the floating IP entries22:58
RageLtManlocally, from that namespace, i can ping the floating IPs. no other host in the subnet however can hit them, only the main IP22:58
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RageLtManalso, why is br-outside plugged into br-int?23:02
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RichardRaseleyI have questions about the 'user_name_attribute' and 'user_id_attribute' configuration parameters in Keystone. I have an LDAP backend that is populated with users. Previously we had 'user_name_attribute' set to 'cn' and 'user_id_attribute' set to 'uid'. When attempting to auth against Keystone using python-openstackclient, I passed the 'uid' as the '--os-username', when in reality it was requiring the 'cn'. Is this expected?23:48
RichardRaseleyI would expect the user_id_attribute to be used for authentication and the user_name_attribute to be used for friendly display name, but maybe that is just some cognitive bias imposed by our internal schema.23:49
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