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irfhello03:58
irfwhen i am creating network topology, there are three options i am seeing : 1: Admin state 2: shared 3: External network03:59
irfi am not getting what is the meaning of Admin state ?04:00
irfcan someone please suggest ..04:00
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irfplease help04:08
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dhamoneirf it means the network is up and it is sending snd recieving packets04:15
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dhamoneCheckout the suse openstack guide04:17
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irfgot it04:34
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irfthanks04:40
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qg_Do you typically install Openstack on a hypervisor?05:03
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qg_anyone?05:05
clarkbqg_: the openstack control plane can run on virtualized hosts though I think running it on bare metal is more common05:06
clarkbnova compute nodes run on or alongside hypervisors and schedule work to them05:06
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qg_sounds like you need a good bit of extra physical hardware lying around to get an implementation running?05:07
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bradmqg_: its not uncommon to run some of the services in containers, but yes, you need a number of machines to get something decent running05:14
qg_bradm: or on KVM?05:14
bradmqg_: I guess you could, thats a bit heavier05:15
qg_bradm: I'll probably give that a try05:16
bradmnova-compute, ceph, and swift-storage usually runs on bare metal05:16
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bradmoh, and probably neutron-gateway05:16
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sherinIn the OpenStack documentation, it mentions that the public network doesn't have a DHCP server assigned to it by design. I just wanted to ask if I understood that right.05:42
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sherinSo for VM's on the public network, they need to get IP addresses by some other mechanism (static, or maybe a pre-existing DHCP server)...?05:42
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RaySunhello05:44
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irfglance image-list --os-username root05:58
irfi am running this command to get the image list .. but it is throwing error05:59
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irfdo i need to do some config change ?05:59
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irfi did setting the env variable OS_USERNAME06:00
irfexport OS_USERNAME=root06:00
irfbut still the same error06:00
Fenuksirf: could you paste the error, please?06:01
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irfsure .. using pastebin ?06:01
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clarkbsherin: that doc is probably assuming use of floating IPs?06:03
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clarkbsherin: in that case they are "assigned" to VMs via NAT06:03
irfhttp://pastebin.com/a6Aac3bR06:03
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sherin@clarkb, thank you, I ended up doing that yesterday but was unsure if I'd taken the correct approach06:09
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Fenuksirf: Well, first of all, --os-username should stand before subcommand: glance --os-username root image-list. But, if you're already setting ENV variable, you don't have to put it in again in the command06:16
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Fenuksirf: Are you sure username should be root? And you'll need more then username to authenticate06:17
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irfok...06:20
irfbut i am not aware of OS_AUTH_URL06:20
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irfwhat shud be the value for this06:20
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irfi am not getting what should be value for : --os-auth-url06:24
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Fenuksirf: It depends on how you set up your environment. Have you read the guides on http://docs.openstack.org/ ?06:29
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irfyes ...06:43
irfi moved ahead and now it is stuck on the tenant side06:44
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irfhere is my final command :06:56
irfglance --os-username admin --os-password admin@123 --os-tenant-id  --os-auth-url http://controller:5000/v2.0/ image-list06:56
irfnow i dont know how to get tenant id06:56
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Fenuksirf: you can use --os-tenant-name. I suppose it would be "admin" also06:59
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irfok let me try07:01
cooldharma06hi all07:02
irfyes perfect07:02
cooldharma06anywhere they are storing the node ip and vnc port in the nova db?07:02
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cooldharma06if i add pu.db in some file which is related to n-cauth. is it required to restart the service.??07:19
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cooldharma06how to enable debugger (like pudb )in the devstack.?08:52
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cooldharma06anybody.. ?08:54
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swati_Hi all..I have created all the required files for designate. This is the link containing the files. https://github.com/sharmaswati6/designate_files09:57
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swati_Please verify the files whether they are correct or not.09:58
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swati_It will be very helpful for me..09:59
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DiplomatI think you would get more specific help from #openstack-dns10:07
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swati_These files are related to openstack-ansible. I will try to get help from them..Thnx for replying..10:11
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NelsonPRsup everyone10:27
NelsonPRany trove experts here? :) I got issues trying to run instances10:27
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NelsonPRany trove experts here? :) I got issues trying to run instances10:41
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cubeHi guys, could somebody confirm that disabling port-security in neutron works in Kilo?11:44
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goodygumhello all12:42
goodygumis this channel dead or alive? :)12:42
vincalive :)12:43
ianychoialive.. :)12:43
goodygumokay, any Nova enthusiasts here? :)12:43
goodygumbecause I've got a question about Nova... what classes and methods do I have to use, if I want to access my custom table in Nova database?12:43
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goodygumyou know, access to read the rows mostly12:44
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ianychoiI am not an expert on Nova, but you want to access nova database directly? Why not using APIs?12:46
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goodygumianychoi: yeah, I want to use API13:02
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goodygummoreover13:03
goodygumto modify API to cover my new table13:03
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MF1Hi, when i try to start my instances from cli, i get this output "ERROR (Conflict): Instance [_ID_] in vm_state active. Cannot start while the instance is in this state. (HTTP 409)"13:33
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cucumber_Hi! I'm installing Liberty from skratch and before the control node (also network node, so the gateway of the openstack environment) had everything on a single ethrnet card. Now I want to do it with two ethernet cards: one that leads to the Internet and the other one that connects with the other Openstack nodes. I did this at some point in Ubuntu, but now I need to do it in Centos. Do you have any page that explains how to do it in Centos? (iP forwardi13:34
cucumber_ng stuff, how to create the bridge in this scenario, etc..)13:34
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itzdilipI have seen in serverfaults13:38
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itzdilipDon't remember exact URL13:38
cucumber_itzdilip, that's for me?13:40
Sam-I-Amcucumber_: install guide at docs.openstack.org ?13:40
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itzdilip(Cucumber_) yes :-)13:42
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cucumber_itzdilip, I'll search in http://serverfault.com/ then13:43
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cucumber_Sam-I-Am, If I look in http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-rdo/environment-networking.html it seems to high level stuff... nothing detailed on how to configure the bridge, forwarding IP, etc..13:52
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Sam-I-Amcucumber_: bridge? forwarding ip?13:59
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Sam-I-Amopenstack creates the bridges for you13:59
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darenthi14:00
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darentany experience sysadmin here? xD14:00
darenti'm trying to make glance work with cinder after a failed install of swift... does someone have a clue of where to start?14:00
rozieI'd start with official docs14:01
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darentyep, rtfm... already been two days drowning in documentation14:01
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darentthe  problem is, i didn't make this install, i just got the job and the previous admin left in a hurry so it's a whole mess14:02
Sam-I-Amoh, you're lucky :)14:02
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Sam-I-Amwe had someone else in here not too long ago in the same situation14:02
darentwell, at least i'm not unnenployed... for now xD14:02
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cucumber_Sam-I-Am, what I mean is.. in order to connect Openstack to the real world, I create this file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br-ex, then I edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-em1 to chnge the type from Ethernet to OVSPort, etc.. ... all that is using only one physical interface (em1 in my case). Now I want to do the same, but using em1 to lead to the internet and em2 to connect to compute nodes, storage nodes, etc...14:03
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Sam-I-Amdarent: what ver of openstack?14:04
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darentSam-I-Am: juno, installed with mirantis 6.114:04
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darenti was told swift had problems with haproxy, they disabled something and then all hell broke. now the guy who did the change is not even in the company. i was hired a few weeks ago in theory to help him and learing untill i was able to manage the stack myself but then this shit happened14:05
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Sam-I-Amdarent: so, haproxy was in front of multiple swift proxies? that seems ok14:06
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Sam-I-Ami'd say glance-swift works better than glance-cinder14:07
Sam-I-Amat least in juno14:07
darentapparently yes, but some problem with haproxy was making the system fail every few minutes, so they want me to at least fallback and use cinder for now14:07
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Sam-I-Amthe other option is use a file backend and nfs mount the image location among the glance nodes14:08
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tdasilvadarent: just fyi...you might also be able to get some help from folks in #openstack-swift channel. AFAIK haproxy in front of swift proxies is a pretty typical deployment14:08
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darenti've check all the .conf i could looking for references to swift or cinder, but to be honest i don't even know what most of the  options do14:08
Sam-I-Amdoes your deployment include cinder? and does it work?14:09
darentthe thing is, everything else is working: i can create volumes, snapshots from volumes, etc... so i think cinder is working14:09
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Sam-I-Amok. so whats glance say when you try to upload an image with the cinder backend?14:09
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darentthe only thing that fails is when i try to create an image or ans snapshot from an instance... stays uploading and then marks the image as killed14:10
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darentalso, can't create new images from qcow2 or iso files,nor from url14:10
darentso may be something related with the upload part14:10
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darenti think (and excuse me for being so newbie...) that images are saved in the controller, and the only other node is compute... the problem may be when trying to move the image to the other node14:11
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goodygumor maybe do you have any idea how to add new API command in Nova?14:14
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odyssey4meswati__ you're probably best asking in #openstack-ansible (related to openstack-ansible advice) or #openstack-dns (for designate advice)14:15
Sam-I-Amdarent: so only 2 nodes?14:15
darentyes, this is a test installation14:15
darentsorry, 1 controller, 2 computes14:15
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Sam-I-Amdoes cinder-volumes run on the controller?14:16
Sam-I-Amcinder service-list14:16
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darentyes, as far as i know the whole system is on the controller, except the two compute nodes14:17
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Sam-I-Amdarent: what did you add (if anything) to glance's config?14:24
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darentok, so without knowing much... i just though the logical thing would be the glance*.conf, somewhere should be a reference to which storage system use.... i've modified the stores on glance-api.conf changing glance.store.swift.Store to glance.store.cinder.Strore and then default_store=cinder, and added cinder_store_endpoint_type=internalURL14:26
darentnothing seemed to change, then i modified glance-cache.conf and added a similar things with knows_stores14:26
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Sam-I-Amcinder also needs bits14:27
darentit keeps creating snapshots (i thinkg) but then fails in the upload part14:27
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Sam-I-Amhttp://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/blockstorage_volume_backed_image.html14:27
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darentok, Sam-I-Am, i'll have a look at it and see if i can make cinder to work...  and about repairing swift, they don't pay me enough for that xD14:28
darentthaks14:28
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darent:)14:28
Sam-I-Amhaha14:28
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Sam-I-Amswift might just be a proxy problem?14:29
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darenti think so.. they keep talking about haproxy as being aproblem from day one14:30
Sam-I-Amwhat happens if you talk to one of the swift proxies directly?14:31
darenti think it works for a while and then some minutes later it stops responding14:32
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Sam-I-Amthat doesnt tell me too much14:32
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darenti know... but it's more than they've told me xD14:34
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darentsorry, i know this are really generic questions... i'll dig the config files a little and come back :)14:35
Sam-I-Amthe secrets are probably in logs14:35
darentcheck the logs too14:35
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anddrew_Hello guys! I need to connect from a plugin on the keystone endpoints with the admin_url. The problem is that the admin_url has an vip( haproxy) and it's a private ip. Any ideas how can i route traffic? Does haproxy have a default gateway?15:58
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Sam-I-Amyour proxy would have to nat16:08
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit will be offline for a software upgrade from 17:00 to 21:00 UTC. See: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081037.html16:19
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tabakhaserip gerrit, you where one of the nicest... ;-)16:21
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sunyongkehello16:24
sunyongkeanybody else16:24
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sunyongkehello16:27
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sunyongkeanybody?16:28
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sunyongkeI need some help16:28
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klamathsunyongke: ask your question and see if anyone in the channel can help.  Make sure you have read the docs first16:30
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kindjalIs it possible to grant an ostack VM instance an IP address such that network traffic passes from the VM through the compute node and into an “external” network without having to traverse the network controller?16:47
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Sam-I-Amkindjal: yeah. provider networks.16:53
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kindjalSam-I-Am: I will google openstack provider networks. :)16:55
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Sam-I-Amkindjal: networking guide on docs.openstack.org16:55
kindjal http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/scenario_provider_ovs.html ?16:55
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Sam-I-Amtl;dr - add the ext-net interface to your compute node, add a mapping in the linux bridge or ovs agent config (whichever you're using)16:55
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Sam-I-Amthen if you boot a vm with a nic on your ext-net, it attaches directly to it from the compute node16:56
Sam-I-Amits just layer-2 + dhcp16:56
Sam-I-Am(you'll have to enable dhcp on ext-net if you havent)16:56
kindjalok16:56
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Sam-I-Amwell, ext-subnet16:56
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit is offline for a software upgrade from 17:00 to 21:00 UTC. See: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081037.html17:02
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pumaranikarHi, I am trying live migration with multinode devstack setup. when I run command I get "Host key verification failed.: Connection reset by peer" error in logs17:35
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pumaranikarany suggestions ? I have ssh keypair set on all nodes17:36
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sfrodepumaranikar: either add all the host keys to the ssh known_hosts file or disable stricthostkeychecking for your nova user17:58
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qwebirc25723Hi, from horizon is there a way I can fetch metadata for volume snapshot?18:28
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qwebirc25723Hi, from horizon is there a way I can fetch metadata for volume snapshot?18:35
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qwebirc25723I mean using Hrozon's Cinder API18:35
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pumaranikarsfrode, thanks. I will try that.18:58
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parveenhii19:02
parveeni have one question..19:02
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parveeni have export vhd from xenserver and upload to glance ...and then launch the vm from that vhd..but my instance fail to boot19:03
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ZiLi0nHello everyone. I am checking openvswitch flow entries, and it looks like arp packets are being dropped. I see arp_spa=<IPaddres>. Is that filtering traffic? It looks like so... I see that iptables are not being called, but still packets are being dropped when my VM use another IP than the one assigned by Nova/Neutron during creation. How can that be disabled? so that I can assign whatever IP I want to my VM?19:16
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lifelessZiLi0n: I don't recall a way to disable spoofing per-vm19:20
lifelessZiLi0n: you could just tell neutron that you will be using the additional ip address(es)19:21
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ZiLi0nlifeless I would like to disable that. I saw there is port-security extension, but I don't know why I can't load it, it says my backed, ovs, does not support it. Ovs is latest version, and it supports port-security, so not sure what is going on... Do you know how neutron port-security is implemented in ovs?19:23
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lifelessZiLi0n: it uses flow rules I think19:33
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Sam-I-AmZiLi0n: why not just boot the vm with the ip you want?19:35
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ZiLi0nSam-I-Am so I created the subnet using Horizon, and I said I didn't want DHCP. However flows are created in OVS with specifying IPs. Also, in Horizon the Instance menu shows the VM with IP address on each subnet the VM is connected to.20:00
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Sam-I-Amhow did you boot the vm? it can't have no ip address. if theres no dhcp, it usually expects config drive or something to handle it20:02
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ZiLi0nso I created the VM, and connected to a mgmt subnet which has DHCP. However the VMs is connected to another subnets, which are the ones I am having the problem with, and there is no DHCP. On those two subnet I am assining IP addresses manunally20:04
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ZiLi0nand the IP addresses do not match what Horizon says in Instances tab (even though I said I didn't want any DHCP server)20:05
lifelessZiLi0n: no dhcp server is not the same as no ip assignment20:05
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lifelessZiLi0n: (sorry :/)20:06
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ZiLi0nlifeless, exactly that looks like the problem I seem to be facing. IPs are still assigned. So I was wondering if there is a way to even disable that, so that my VM can have other IPs.20:07
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lifelessZiLi0n: I don't believe there is a per-vm policy for that. You might be able to do it by disabling overlay networking and port plugging modules and running a raw VLAN or something20:09
lifelessZiLi0n: *but* - I'm not up to date with the latest neutron features20:09
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Sam-I-AmZiLi0n: not sure what the problem is here20:09
lifelessZiLi0n: may I ask, why don't you want neutron to manage the networking?20:09
Sam-I-Amsounds like you're trying to do something thats handled in another way already20:09
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Sam-I-Amyou can statically assign IPs to VMs, with or without dhcp20:10
Sam-I-Amyou can't have a vm without an IP because its useless20:10
lifelessSam-I-Am: well, thats not strictly true20:11
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lifelessSam-I-Am: l2 firewalls for instance20:11
ZiLi0nlifeless. So I don't want Neutron assigning IP addresses, because I would like to pick up the IP I want. I basically want to mimic some network topologies, so I want to mimic them 100%, with same IP address assigned to each device. I don't want Neutron changing giving me other IP addresses20:11
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Sam-I-Amlifeless: wouldnt the l2 firewall need some sort of management access?20:12
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lifelessZiLi0n: if you assign the address using neutrons API, it won't change on your20:12
Sam-I-AmZiLi0n: so... either pre-create the ports in neutron, or use fixed-ip-address in nova when you boot the vm20:12
lifelessSam-I-Am: imagine 3 vnics, one mgmt, 2 firewalling..20:12
ZiLi0nSam-I-Am. So all VMs are going to have IPs. but imaging I say I want a subnet 192.168.5.0/24. And I want my VM X to use 192.168.5.250. How can I do that?20:12
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lifelessZiLi0n: create the network in neutron20:13
Sam-I-Amlifeless: oh yeah... but at least 1 as an ip20:13
lifelessZiLi0n: then specify that ip address when you start the vm20:13
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Sam-I-Amlifeless: i was thinking vm with 0 ips anywhere20:13
Sam-I-Amlifeless: s/network/port ?20:13
lifelessSam-I-Am: so there are stealth protocols there too, but less usecase more crazy :)20:13
ZiLi0nlifeless ok, so I could not use Horizon right?20:14
lifelessSam-I-Am: no, needs the network+subnet made first20:14
lifelessZiLi0n: sure you can20:14
Sam-I-Amlifeless: oh yeah, those first... but the port has the ip20:14
lifelessSam-I-Am: right, but you can give that at boot time in horizon too20:14
ZiLi0nlifeless how do I specify that IP when I create the VM through Horizon?20:14
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Sam-I-Amlifeless: yep, too many chefs in the kitchen here :)20:15
lifelessZiLi0n: there's a tab for it in the dialog box, I'm pretty sure20:15
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lifelessZiLi0n: used to be there a couple years back - I don't use horizon much myself, but I'm 100% sure its still doable20:16
lifeless'I want a specific ip address' is a common use case20:16
ZiLi0nlifeless the tab I see is one to select the subnet you want the VM connected to, but not to say the exact IP address you want in that range :(20:16
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lifelessZiLi0n: make sure you've got simple ip address management turned off20:19
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lifelesshttp://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/topics/settings.html#simple-ip-management20:19
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Sam-I-Amlifeless: curious if that works with neutron20:21
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lifelessSam-I-Am: me too, it says incompatible but I am wondering if its stale docs and someone 'fixed' it20:21
ZiLi0nlifeless.. mm that in interesting. But that is only for floating IPs, right? the subnet whose IPs don't want to be assigned are not floating IPs. it is a local-type network20:22
Sam-I-Amlifeless: give it a shot and see what happens20:22
lifelessSam-I-Am: yeah, my devstack is bust just now, poking at it to get it happy again20:22
Sam-I-Ami can't see it being impossible now... 5 releases later20:22
Sam-I-Amlifeless: i just looked in my lab env, but i dont use horizon either, so i'd need to change the setting and find out20:22
Sam-I-Amalso need to try downloadmoreram.com for this vm20:23
lifelesslol20:24
Sam-I-Amlifeless: seems like it might default to false now20:25
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Sam-I-AmZiLi0n: well, i cant figure it out in horizon either. might be something to ask in the horizon channel, or on the mailing list if nothing shows up on google20:27
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ZiLi0nSam-I-Am thank you for having a look. So I guess the only solution is to create neutron-ports with the fixed IP that I need.20:31
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ZiLi0nI just thought it would be great to just create your subnet, and neutron could use whatever IP you assign to your VMs, as long as it is in the same subnet of course20:32
Sam-I-AmZiLi0n: well, you can also use --nic v4-fixed-ip=20:32
Sam-I-Amif you want to skip the neutron port create step20:32
Sam-I-Ambut either one works20:32
ZiLi0nthat would be in nova right?20:32
Sam-I-Amyeah nova boot ... --nic net-id=###,v4-fixed-ip=1.2.3.420:33
manu95hi all, i have just start install kilo on ubuntu14.04 and keystone-manage db_sync  do not populate the database, what is the best way to debug ? thanks20:34
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ZiLi0nok, but I imaging, that if tomorrow I want to change the IP address of my VM, then either I have to modify the nic fixed, or create a new neutron-port, etc etc. it sounds to me like a lot of work.20:34
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ZiLi0nimagine*20:34
Sam-I-AmZiLi0n: pretty sure you can use port update to change the ip of a port20:35
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Sam-I-Amaight, time for lunch20:37
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metsukeGreetings.  I'm trying to set up a very quick test on my network, and I used packstack to get a bunch of the services up.  I'm looking to test Magnum as well.  Is there an easy way to install it to my working instance?20:41
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Sam-I-Amthe magnum docs look a little weak.. unless you want to translate the 'how to make it work in devstack' docs to your install20:45
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Sam-I-Amand really lunch now20:45
manu95does anyone has installed ubuntu 14.04 and Juno , I am stuck on the database that is not populated by  keystone-manage db_sync20:46
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valeechHello. I am running a small lab with devstack. Can someone please explain the purpose of the demo/invisible_to_admin project? When/Why would someone use that?20:50
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NelsonPRsomeone know how to delete trove instances20:59
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NelsonPRis not ready. (HTTP 422)20:59
NelsonPRgive an error when I try to delete20:59
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manu95is someone can give me a direction: keystone-manage db_sync  do not populate the database21:05
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NelsonPRmanu95, ?21:06
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manu95yes Nelson21:07
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manu95I never met issue at this level21:07
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NelsonPRsudo -u keystone keystone-manage db_sync21:08
NelsonPRopenstack-db --service keystone --update21:08
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manu95no same issue21:09
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manu95table is not populated21:09
NelsonPRdelete then and recreate it21:10
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NelsonPRopenstack-db --service keystone --delete21:10
NelsonPRopenstack-db --service keystone --drop21:10
NelsonPRopenstack-db --service trove --init --password keystonepass --rootpw rootpass21:11
manu95i do no have openstack-db installed21:11
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NelsonPRmanu95, which os?21:11
manu95it is a fresh ubuntu14.04 + kilo Linux controller 3.19.0-39-generic #44~14.04.1-Ubuntu21:11
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NelsonPRinstall keystone components ;)21:13
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manu95keystone/trusty-updates,now 1:2015.1.2-0ubuntu2~cloud0 all [installed]21:15
manu95python-keystone/trusty-updates,now 1:2015.1.2-0ubuntu2~cloud0 all [installed,automatic]21:15
manu95python-keystoneclient/trusty-updates,now 1:1.2.0-0ubuntu1.2~cloud0 all [installed,automatic]21:15
manu95python-keystonemiddleware/trusty-updates,now 1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1~cloud0 all [installed,automatic]21:15
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manu95I am following the doc http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/install-guide/install/apt/content/ch_basic_environment.html#basics-packages normally it should work21:16
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NelsonPRopenstack official docs are crap21:16
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manu95with centOS & Juno , I never met this issue, installation are really the same between Juno & Kilo, only the OS differ perhaps sth wrong with my ubuntu14.0421:22
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NelsonPRmanu95, I perfer centos for openstack ;)21:24
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manu95perhaps can found sth in log file , DB; granted access, no filter , all is ok but still failed21:26
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blizzowNelsonPR: Agreed, openstack documentation is heinously confusing.21:48
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manu95still stuck with a fresh reinstall, quite strange because it seems quite simple21:55
manu95when I follow the guide21:55
manu95root@controller:/home/emarcon# netstat -tunap| grep 330621:55
manu95tcp        0      0 10.0.0.11:3306          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      3724/mysqld21:55
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NelsonPRblizzow, they should use wikimedia instead of this crap docs something like archlinux or gentoo wiki ;) openstack wiki :D21:58
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NelsonPRmanu95, check logs for errors21:59
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manu95Nelson : I have this http://pastebin.com/eZZBARFt22:12
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manu95http://pastebin.com/ygnbP8pc22:13
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manu95MariaDB [(none)]> show grants for 'keystone'@'%';22:15
manu95+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+22:15
manu95| Grants for keystone@%                                                                                   |22:15
manu95+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+22:15
manu95| GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO 'keystone'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD '*C0F7A820F72F6C32E134714B7311216A170AE72E' |22:15
manu95| GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON `keystone`.* TO 'keystone'@'%'                                                  |22:15
manu95+--------------------------------------------------------------22:15
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NelsonPRmanu95, which documentation you're following?22:32
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manu95http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/install-guide/install/yum/content/ch_basic_environment.html22:32
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NelsonPRmanu95, don't use that crap docs22:32
NelsonPRsearch in google22:32
NelsonPRdon't use official docs22:32
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manu95okay thanks22:33
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Sam-I-Ammanu95: uh what?22:39
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manu95yes22:40
Sam-I-AmNelsonPR: er, you.22:40
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Sam-I-Amwhats this about official docs?22:40
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NelsonPRSam-I-Am, sup22:41
NelsonPRare you the manager of oficial docs?22:41
NelsonPR:)22:41
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Sam-I-AmNelsonPR: i wrote most of that installation guide22:42
Sam-I-Amso whats the problem?22:42
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NelsonPRthen you need to be more friendly when you write docs too many things people doesn't want to deal just go to the point22:43
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NelsonPR;)22:43
manu95Nelson think doc is quite good I have a bad behavior on my environment22:43
manu95it should be work22:43
Sam-I-AmNelsonPR: such as?22:44
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NelsonPRmanu95, I'm working on a project named openstackwiki22:44
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NelsonPRSam-I-Am, did you test all the things you wrote in the docs?22:45
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Sam-I-AmNelsonPR: yeah, many times22:45
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Sam-I-Amsince icehouse we've been testing the install guide22:45
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NelsonPRSam-I-Am, ok but I perfer wiki type docs this docs are dificult to read and understand we need more friendly docs22:47
Sam-I-Amwikis are nice to read and easy to find stuff, but terrible to maintain22:47
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Sam-I-Amthere's no good github-like versioning for wikis22:48
Helio-there is...22:48
Helio-gollum22:48
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NelsonPRyeah but as example look at archlinux wiki or gentoo wiki this are really good docs everyone is happy to read and easy to undestand22:49
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Sam-I-Ami think the install guide is pretty easy to follow22:50
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Sam-I-Amplenty more successes than complaints22:50
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NelsonPRSam-I-Am, trove installation ?22:50
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NelsonPRSam-I-Am, Ha installation ?22:52
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NelsonPRSam-I-Am, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gollum_Wiki22:53
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Sam-I-AmNelsonPR: the general rule is we only cover services that have packages that work on all 3 distros that we support.22:54
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Sam-I-AmHA is a separate guide because its too complex for new users to understand openstack concepts and HA at the same time22:55
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Sam-I-Amthe install guide is designed to be a simple architecture that teaches new users how openstack components work22:55
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Sam-I-Amhowever, rather than complain in here or do your own thing, you should join the install guide sub-team if you think you can make it better. we're always open to new ideas to make first-time installations easier.22:56
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NelsonPRSam-I-Am, I'm working on a new wiki for openstack who doesn't belongs to any organization or company22:57
NelsonPRopenstackwiki.com22:57
NelsonPRsoon will be up22:57
NelsonPRcommunity driven22:58
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Sam-I-Amopenstack is not community driven?22:59
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NelsonPRSam-I-Am, yes but documentation is not23:00
Sam-I-Amhmm, i think you're confused23:00
Sam-I-Ami'm done talking with you23:00
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NelsonPRSam-I-Am, don't take it personal my friend23:00
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cheetah2hello23:36
cheetah2if im running openstack should i also run hadoop?23:36
Sam-I-Amnot necessarily23:37
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cheetah2do i get any benefit23:38
cheetah2doesnt openstack do the same thing hadoop does?23:38
Sam-I-Amno23:38
cheetah2if i run a thing on a group of computers one with openstack and one with hadoop which one finishes faster?23:39
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elmikouh... that is not a 1:1 equivalency23:39
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cheetah2im trying to decide if i should use openstack or hadoop on my business23:41
cheetah2I have 20 computers23:41
cheetah2serving a website23:41
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elmikoright, but hadoop is for mapreduce workloads, openstack can be for many things23:42
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cheetah2ok so i guess ill use openstack then23:43
cheetah2when i hook them up with openstack ill have the equivalent of 20 times the speed right?23:44
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cheetah2they should be able to serve that website to more people right?23:44
elmikothere are a lot of variables in that statement23:44
cheetah2my server is running out of resources so i bought 20 machines to get more capacity23:45
cheetah2i bought 20 commodity servers23:45
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terjesounds like a fun project23:57
terjewhy run openstack though?23:57
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terjeif you're just serving web pages, you might consider just running on bare metal.23:58
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