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| visibilityspots | ccapriotti: we have setted up a similar test setup, in the first phase we connected the existing LAN with a Flat network through neutron directly to openstack cfr: https://trickycloud.wordpress.com/2013/11/12/setting-up-a-flat-network-with-neutron/ | 02:10 |
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| visibilityspots | ccapriotti: afterwards we tied up our VLAN based networks with openstack through neutron cfr: https://visibilityspots.org/vlan-flat-neutron-provider.html | 02:12 |
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| ygl | Hi All | 06:54 |
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| ygl | anyone here can help me please ? | 06:56 |
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| ygl | can anyone help me please | 07:01 |
| ygl | i am facing an issue with glance | 07:01 |
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| adun153 | ygl: you don't have to wait; just say what your problem is, and if people know the answer, they will answer. | 07:15 |
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| metrixx | ccapriotti, i know that answer is yes | 09:20 |
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| metrixx | but i dont know how to do. | 09:20 |
| ccapriotti | Hi Metrix. I take it you are talking about the answer I sent, on eh ethX devices ? | 09:21 |
| adun153 | Anybody have an idea? When I have nova-authconsole running on each of my 3 controllers, I can't view the console. But when I shut everything except for one, I can access the console again. What's wrong? | 09:21 |
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| ccapriotti | Metrixx, even. | 09:22 |
| metrixx | i am studying about sdn/openflow/openstack..... related topics right now and i read that communication between virtual and physical is possible | 09:22 |
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| ccapriotti | metrics, I am in that very same point in my studies as well. | 09:22 |
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| ccapriotti | Metrixx (autocorrect is a b*tch sometimes) | 09:22 |
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| metrixx | ccapriotti, yes | 09:23 |
| metrixx | umm | 09:23 |
| metrixx | wait | 09:23 |
| metrixx | if you have enough time to read, https://sites.google.com/site/sdnreadinglist/ | 09:24 |
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| metrixx | i don't know which article exactly but it was the first article in one of main topics | 09:25 |
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| ccapriotti | gosh, that is a hole lot of articles, metrixx. | 09:25 |
| metrixx | yeap.. i started to read a few days ago :) | 09:25 |
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| metrixx | for master thesis.. i am searching for a topic | 09:26 |
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| ccapriotti | What is your goal ? Install a fully functional OpenStack environment or just a single machine for study ? | 09:26 |
| metrixx | probably i will install an environment to just study on it | 09:26 |
| metrixx | but i am not at that stage yet | 09:27 |
| ccapriotti | Fully functional, production grade ? | 09:27 |
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| metrixx | fully functional i hope | 09:27 |
| ccapriotti | ok. | 09:27 |
| ccapriotti | How many nodes (Virtual or physical ?) do you intend to have ? | 09:27 |
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| metrixx | but this channel is not active really.. i am nearly for last one week | 09:28 |
| ccapriotti | This is important. I can share some of my (very painful) experience with you. | 09:28 |
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| ccapriotti | I've been fighting this beast for over a month now. | 09:28 |
| metrixx | hm | 09:28 |
| metrixx | i think at least 3 to seperate all functional layers | 09:29 |
| metrixx | compute storage network etc.. | 09:29 |
| ccapriotti | 3 is a good start. How much ram ? | 09:29 |
| metrixx | 12gb | 09:29 |
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| ccapriotti | each or total ? VM or physical ? (guessing VM) | 09:29 |
| metrixx | physical 12gb and total.. but also i have another physical desktop machine | 09:30 |
| metrixx | it has also 8gb.. i can use that too | 09:30 |
| metrixx | if i need that | 09:30 |
| ccapriotti | Hmmm... I would not recommend adding your desktop to the mix if you want a production grade. | 09:30 |
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| ccapriotti | 12 GB ram TOTAL = 3 x 4 GB. | 09:30 |
| ccapriotti | That is not enough for a production environment, in my experience. | 09:31 |
| metrixx | it seems enough but i need to see in real | 09:31 |
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| metrixx | no it will not for production.. only for testing functions | 09:31 |
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| metrixx | maybe change some functions | 09:31 |
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| ccapriotti | Yes, testing but, if it is production-grade, it is one thing. | 09:31 |
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| ccapriotti | Meaning, if it is like DevStack, or similar (RDO-based). | 09:32 |
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| ccapriotti | But if you chose to install a productio-grade system, even without load, it is totally different. | 09:32 |
| metrixx | hm | 09:32 |
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| metrixx | i can't say much about that and you experience would be great for me | 09:33 |
| ccapriotti | Installing a 7 node cluster, with Ubuntu Autopilot, here was ok, but the system collapsed after a while, probably because of lack of resources (8 GB RAM on the cloud controller and 4 GB on the 6 other nodes). | 09:33 |
| metrixx | hm | 09:34 |
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| ccapriotti | Using the same hardware with DevStack or the single-machine RDO worked like a charm, for the basic install and testing. | 09:34 |
| ccapriotti | That is why I am asking about your config. If you want to work on a proof of concept, go for RDO (If you are a RedHat/CentOS guy). | 09:35 |
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| ccapriotti | In case you are interested, here it is: https://www.rdoproject.org/install/quickstart/ | 09:36 |
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| ccapriotti | they suggest a machine with at least 4 GB of ram. With 8 it works a treat (well, dual Xeon 2.8 Ghz here) . | 09:36 |
| ccapriotti | No fancy HDs. Just plain SATA. | 09:36 |
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| ccapriotti | I would recommend two network cards, for your objectives. | 09:37 |
| ccapriotti | Read the docs before you actually install it. Networking, as you can already guess, is tricky. | 09:37 |
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| ccapriotti | I am assuming, of course, you want to work with Neutron and Open vSwitch. | 09:38 |
| metrixx | yeap | 09:39 |
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| metrixx | i was reading the history,basics right now.. but they all will be in my topic.. | 09:39 |
| ccapriotti | Yes, you are in for a lot of work. But that is your goal anyway, right ? It is a paper after all. | 09:39 |
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| metrixx | yes | 09:40 |
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| metrixx | are you studying or working on this? | 09:40 |
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| ccapriotti | metrics, you might want to check this: http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/network_design.html | 09:41 |
| ccapriotti | I am learning, right now. Getting my head around it, to try applying it in my real life. | 09:41 |
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| ccapriotti | metrics, there is also this article, Ubuntu-oriented, that sheds SOME light on the subject: https://developer.rackspace.com/blog/neutron-networking-simple-flat-network/ | 09:42 |
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| ccapriotti | For this last one, I still don't know how to translate it to the CentOS reality, completely. But It helps understanding. | 09:43 |
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| ccapriotti | So, for what it is worth, I'd suggest: use a single-machine with all of your 12 GB of ram on it. Later, when you get networking up and running, add a compute node. According to RDO's docs, it is a breeze, but I haven't tried it myself. | 09:44 |
| ccapriotti | and, again, I apologise for the bloody auto-correct changing you nick over and over. | 09:45 |
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| metrixx | no problem.. and thank you for all these great beginning informations | 09:45 |
| ccapriotti | My pleasure. Good luck. | 09:45 |
| metrixx | i think i will need your experience in following weeks more | 09:46 |
| ccapriotti | Where are yo from, just for curiosity ? | 09:46 |
| metrixx | from turkey | 09:46 |
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| metrixx | what about you? | 09:46 |
| ccapriotti | ok. Good. I'll be around. I am from Brazil. | 09:46 |
| metrixx | hmm i thought Italy because of your nick | 09:47 |
| ccapriotti | Yes, italian family, no doubt. | 09:47 |
| ccapriotti | Now, all of this has almost nothing to do with the NIC question . | 09:48 |
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| ccapriotti | Do you have all the inf you need there ? | 09:48 |
| metrixx | nope | 09:48 |
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| ccapriotti | i would suggest that you Install CentOS and run the RDO quickstart. | 09:48 |
| metrixx | it will be a long process.. i have nearly 6-7 months to complete | 09:48 |
| ccapriotti | Long indeed, but takes a while to understand OpeStack as well. | 09:49 |
| metrixx | yes, it seems the best and easiest to install rdo first | 09:49 |
| ccapriotti | Yep. | 09:50 |
| ccapriotti | Install CentOS, configured with a single NIC first. | 09:50 |
| ccapriotti | Make sure NetworkManager is disabled and that you are working with fixed IPs. | 09:50 |
| ccapriotti | Have a second NIC on the machine for your next phase. | 09:50 |
| ccapriotti | That will save you a lot of time. | 09:51 |
| ccapriotti | Hint: RDO saves all your configuration parameters. If you *cough* screw up, and need to re-install, you can tell the installer to re-use that config file and it will duplicate your original environment. | 09:51 |
| ccapriotti | For your objective, that could be ideal. | 09:51 |
| metrixx | hmm | 09:52 |
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| ccapriotti | another hint: before installing, make sure your /etc/environment file has these two lines: | 09:53 |
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| ccapriotti | LANG=en_US.utf-8 | 09:53 |
| ccapriotti | LC_ALL=en_US.utf-8 | 09:53 |
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| metrixx | why is it so important? can't i use tr_TR.utf-8? | 09:54 |
| ccapriotti | And, before someone kicks us :D you might want to join #rdo rather than chatting all this very specific stuff here :D | 09:54 |
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| ccapriotti | Yes you can. Just do not leave the file empty. | 09:54 |
| metrixx | ah okay | 09:55 |
| ccapriotti | In some installs it will be empty and the installer fails. | 09:55 |
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| metrixx | i know these kind of tricks are necessary in linux.. they are so important :) | 09:55 |
| ccapriotti | Yep. This took me a couple of hours to find out. | 09:56 |
| metrixx | i know :)... i had similar issues before | 09:56 |
| metrixx | very bad feelings | 09:56 |
| ccapriotti | And a couple of hour here, another couple there.... it adds up to weeks. | 09:56 |
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| metrixx | and you will see all these experiences in just "one page" after a few months | 09:57 |
| ccapriotti | anyway, I feel that now you have enough for a good start. | 09:57 |
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| metrixx | thank you so much... | 09:57 |
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| ccapriotti | My pleasure. | 09:58 |
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| simoo | I'm trying to configure Heat on KILO deployment.. how can I force it to use keystone v3? Last time (two releases ago) I've been using keystone_authtoken section with auth_host, auth_port and so on... but it looks like now auth_uri should be sufficient right? | 10:16 |
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| simoo | but how can I specify v3 there. when I look at keystone's logs it looks like heat tries v2.0 all the time.. I tried auth_version = v3 but it keeps ignoring that option and tries v20 | 10:17 |
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| ygl | Hi All | 10:20 |
| ygl | i have a query on dhcp ? | 10:20 |
| ygl | can anyone help me please | 10:20 |
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| ygl | Hi, Can anyone help me please | 10:24 |
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| adun153 | ygl: you don't have to wait; just say what your problem is, and if people know the answer, they will answer. | 10:27 |
| ygl | adun153: when I spin up a vm using a private network and dhcp , will the IP of the vm change as long as it it running ? | 10:28 |
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| adun153 | ygl: It will not change | 10:31 |
| ygl | when I spin up a vm using a private network and dhcp , will the IP of the vm change as long as it it running ? | 10:31 |
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| ygl | adun153: so eventhough its DHCP it will not change even when I reboot it right ? | 10:32 |
| adun153 | ygl: yes. It will not. | 10:32 |
| ygl | adun153: thanks a lot | 10:32 |
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| adun153 | ygl, no problem | 10:34 |
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| adun153 | just ask away next time, no need to wait around. | 10:34 |
| adun153 | :D | 10:34 |
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| ygl | adun153: ok :) | 10:34 |
| ygl | adun153: one more query if u dont mind | 10:35 |
| adun153 | go | 10:35 |
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| ygl | adun153: i have created a boot from volume using an image which is 94 GB in size. when i launch an instance using that volume do I still need to specify the huge flavor it requires ? | 10:36 |
| ygl | adun153: actually it requires 150 GB hardisk, 16 GB ram and 8 vcpus | 10:37 |
| adun153 | ygl: Yes, specify a flavor that has a root disk equal to or greater than the image. | 10:37 |
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| ygl | adun153: thwn whats is the difference between boot from volume and image technically ? | 10:38 |
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| adun153 | ygl: Think of images as snapshots that you create an instance from. You don't mess with the images. Think of them as static assets. | 10:40 |
| adun153 | Volumes are where dynamic data is stored. | 10:40 |
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| adun153 | usually | 10:41 |
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| ygl | adun153: so if I boot from image, it will use the image from glance and stores the VM on the hypervisor's storage right ? | 10:42 |
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| adun153 | ygl: yes. | 10:42 |
| ygl | adun153: but what happens if I boot from volume ? where will the volume be created ? | 10:42 |
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| ccapriotti | Swift, is my guess, but really interested on the topic. | 10:43 |
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| ygl | adun153: for example, if the VM needs a flavor of 150 GBharddisk, if I launch it from a bootable volume, does it still need another 150 GB hardisk ? | 10:44 |
| adun153 | ygl: Good question. I really don't know, since I don't have a use case of booting from volume. | 10:45 |
| adun153 | ygl: But my guess would be "yes". | 10:45 |
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| adun153 | it will still need a 150GB for the instance itself. | 10:46 |
| ccapriotti | Oh, all I am going to say is in my head, and I am not sure, but here we go. Maybe someone can correct me. IF you define AND assign a volume to a VM, it MAY use that volume (hosted by Swift) as storage. Now you can ALSO create a volume BASED on an image, and boot from it. This will also be created and kept by swift. | 10:46 |
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| ygl | adun153: ok | 10:46 |
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| adun153 | Anybody have an idea? When I have nova-authconsole running on each of my 3 controllers, I can't view the console. But when I shut everything except for one, I can access the console again. What's wrong? | 10:48 |
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| ChOcO-Bn | dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket for 169.254.169.254: Address already in use | 13:07 |
| ChOcO-Bn | I have a strange problem with neutron config (I tried on both ubuntu and centos) | 13:07 |
| ChOcO-Bn | my /var/log/neutron/dhcp-agent.log spam "dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket for 169.254.169.254: Address already in use" | 13:07 |
| ChOcO-Bn | with a stack | 13:07 |
| ChOcO-Bn | can't understand why .. | 13:07 |
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| ChOcO-Bn | I did find this in logs : Feb 22 08:22:16 fluffy1 neutron-linuxbridge-agent: OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/sys/class/net' | 13:22 |
| ChOcO-Bn | this when I do sudo systemctl restart neutron-linuxbridge-agent.service | 13:22 |
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| lorddaed_ | Hello) What benefits gives Openstack for project owners? I mean, let's assume, I own several servers, I can install CoreOS + Docker services or I can install Openstack + CoreOS + Docker services... If I will use only my own hardware and I am not hosting provider (I have only 1 project, I'm owner of this project), which benefits I will have in case, if I will use Openstack?.. Or I will not have any benefits and Openstack | 13:36 |
| lorddaed_ | is not for me?.. | 13:36 |
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| Bofu2U | lorddaed_ it depends on what you use it for and all of that | 14:27 |
| Bofu2U | sometimes I need to segment tests off 100% from other things | 14:27 |
| Bofu2U | or virtual networks | 14:27 |
| Bofu2U | which you can do all of that to a point depending on how you configure coreos/docker/etc | 14:27 |
| Bofu2U | but it's not as easy as a single call | 14:28 |
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| Bofu2U | it all depends on how you use everything. | 14:28 |
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| Bofu2U | It may be overkill for what you need it for | 14:29 |
| Bofu2U | just my 2c :) | 14:29 |
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| lorddaed_ | Bofu2U thank you for answer) just several projects (1 owner of all projects - me & friends), typical project is Django + Python + PostgreSQL + nginx or Symfony + PHP + MariaDB + nginx... just 3 nodes in cluster (Supermicro servers with IPMI 2.0 support), with CoreOS, kubernetes... | 14:36 |
| lorddaed_ | not sure, do I need to read all this docs about Openstack or it will not useful for me? | 14:36 |
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| Bofu2U | could always check out something like deis | 14:37 |
| Bofu2U | may be more simple | 14:37 |
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| brandor5 | good morning everyone, quick question: Is it possible to have a single router with routes/gateways for multiple external networks? | 14:42 |
| brandor5 | using openvswitch/gre tunnels on kilo, btw | 14:43 |
| lorddaed_ | may I also ask another newbie question - how kubernetes is compatible with openstack or deis, if I will use deis + core os, I will good idea to use kubernetest too, right?.. or deis somehow replace kubernetes?.. | 14:43 |
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| lorddaed_ | or if I will use openstack + core os, do I still need kubernetes? or some part of openstack can replace it?.. | 14:44 |
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| ChOcO-Bn | looks like rootwrap is not used when I start linuxbridge agent | 14:50 |
| ChOcO-Bn | don't know what to do :/ | 14:50 |
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| CrtxReavr | My manager is so cute. . . | 15:48 |
| CrtxReavr | He's always so confident that the next version of OpenStack will finally stabalize our environments. | 15:49 |
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| ccapriotti | CrtxReavr: well, sort of job security for you. | 15:58 |
| ccapriotti | not less frustrating, I know. | 15:59 |
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| esierrap | hi all!! one question, if you are using heat and user_data attribute and the image has cloud.cfg inside, which one cloud-init is going to refer? | 16:07 |
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| uunsr | Does anyone know how to have the tox virtual env set up a psql db? I'm having to manually set one up on my system so the tox test can use it atm | 17:13 |
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| stupidnic | I have encountered an error on nova-compute when attaching a second volume to a running instance. It says that libvirtError: internal error: unable to execute QEMU command 'device_add': Duplicate ID 'scsi0-0-0-0' for device. Is anybody aware of any patches that fix this issue? | 17:30 |
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| nsasherr | I'm trying to use the python cinder api to get limit information (eg total storage space used, etc) for all users, but I can't figure out how to do it. client.quotas.get(project.id) returns quota information for a project, but client.limits.get() doesn't seem to take a tenant_id argument. Any idea how I can get limit/use information for all projects on our OpenStack system? | 19:00 |
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| CrtxReavr | #openstack-cinder is an active channel. | 19:23 |
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| CrtxReavr | I've done a little work with it, but pretty minimal. | 19:23 |
| nsasherr | Thanks, I'll check it out | 19:23 |
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| brandor5 | Does anyone know if there is a way to find out what $state_path for a service? | 19:25 |
| brandor5 | cinder, for example | 19:25 |
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| georgem1 | brandor5: enable debug and verbose in cinder.conf, restart the service and grep its log for "state_path", by default is "/var/lib/cinder" | 19:28 |
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| brandor5 | georgem1: thank you sir! | 19:29 |
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| leanderthal | is anyone in here dialing into the women of openstack call? | 19:49 |
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| donu7 | hello, I'm trying to wrap my head around the openstack networking guide (liberty version) — I've followed the guide so far but I don't understand the setup of the public network via neutron. specifically in the steps where you run `neutron net-create` to create the public neutron network and subnet. | 20:17 |
| donu7 | My question is, is the "public" network supposed to be the same as the "real" public network that the host is connected to? | 20:17 |
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| donu7 | IE: the host uses eth0 on network 10.10.10.0/24 to reach the internet and there's a DHCP server on said network. Does the "public" network being created via neutron have to be configured to also use 10.10.10.0/24? Does that question make sense? | 20:18 |
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| LzrdKing | not sure if this is an openstack issue, but when i move an attached drive from one VM to another, the UID on my files change. any ideas why and how to prevent that? | 20:44 |
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| LzrdKing | anyone? | 20:52 |
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| georgem1 | LzrdKing: I don't think it's an Openstack issue, if your files are owned by user john with uid=1002 and then move the volume to a VM where there is no user john with uid=1002 | 21:16 |
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| LzrdKing | he's gone, but thats not what's happening, on the first vm, i have files owned by my uid, 4515, but then i move the volume to another vm and those files are owned by user 889, which doesn't even exist | 21:40 |
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| LzrdKing | itsnot even all my files, thats pretty weird | 21:45 |
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| LzrdKing | and the group is correct | 21:49 |
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| dkalleg | Hi, I noticed something odd about nova/neutron quota-update. If I give a bogus --tenant or --tenant-id entry, the clients wont throw an error, but it seems it will add quota data for this bogus tenant. If I do a quota-show on this bogus tenant, I see the value I set. | 22:10 |
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| dkalleg | Is this by design? Maybe to set the quota for a not-yet-created tenant/project? | 22:10 |
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| cucumber_ | Hi, I want to change the default configuration regarding on how to delete a volume (cinder), which is filling the volume with zeroes... I read here: https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/64894/delete-a-volume-very-slow/ that you can change that. I did it but no change at all | 22:33 |
| cucumber_ | and deleting a volume takes for ever | 22:33 |
| cucumber_ | I tried with volume_clear=zero + volume_clear_size=0 and also volume_clear=none, restart cinder services and still takes for ever to delete volumes (90 minutes for 800GB) | 22:33 |
| cucumber_ | that's in cinder.conf | 22:33 |
| cucumber_ | any ideas on how to do it? | 22:34 |
| cucumber_ | (Liberty) | 22:34 |
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| tull | Hi - If I have some flavors that I would like to modify specs on, is there a supported method to do that? | 23:08 |
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| adun153 | tull: You can do it easily via Horizon | 23:12 |
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| adun153 | Admin > System > Flavors | 23:13 |
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| tull | Thanks. do i need any consideration for existing instances? | 23:44 |
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