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| donu7 | Hello, just a bit of a newbie question — when configuring cinder, do you need to specify in the nova-compute config to automatically create cinder storage volumes? I don't quite understand how the cinder storage really fits | 00:08 |
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| haukebruno | donu7, for just cinder volumes: no. But no clue from my side wether things will be for bootable volumes (never checked that) | 00:09 |
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| donu7 | that's pretty much my confusion. Are images supposed to be stored in cinder volumes? AFAIK, my images are stored in the controller node as i created that prior to having a separate cinder storage node ready to go. The OS install guide doesn't really specify on these concepts | 00:11 |
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| donu7 | Is it possible to create a cinder volume with a specific OS image and possibly boot off of said image? | 00:11 |
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| haukebruno | donu7, images are generally stuff glance cares about, cinder is for volumes (block storage) | 00:17 |
| haukebruno | donu7, there are options for bootable volumes, but I never tried that. sorry | 00:18 |
| haukebruno | but I guess that shouldn't be the big deal ;) | 00:18 |
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| donu7 | I see, i found a guide that talks about creating a permanent cinder volume that's booted off of a disk image however it's causing me to run into persistent problem number 2: openstack keeps thinking my controller node doesn't have enough resources | 00:19 |
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| haukebruno | donu7, images are stored under /var/lib/glance/images per default, so you might want to put more space here or just mounting a NFS export or so under it | 00:20 |
| donu7 | in the dashboard in Compute->Overview I'm shown the following AVAILABLE resources: 10 instances, 20 VCPU, 51,200 RAM. If I create an instance using m1.medium i get errors that there's no valid hosts. | 00:20 |
| donu7 | @haukebruno /var is at 50% with 25G free on both controller and compute nodes | 00:20 |
| donu7 | I want to suspect there's some resource limit being imposed by the kernel but I'm not seeing any evidence of it in any of the logs | 00:21 |
| haukebruno | donu7, to catch the no valid hosts errors, you firstly should inspect the nova-scheduler.log on your controller and secondly the nova-compute.log on the specific compute node | 00:21 |
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| haukebruno | donu7, instances itself are stored under /var/lib/nova/intsances on the compute nodes -> same here for making sure you have enough space :) | 00:22 |
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| donu7 | I see, thank you haukebruno i think you've helped me figure out what the issue is | 00:25 |
| haukebruno | ur welcome | 00:25 |
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| donu7 | hrmmm this might be a SELinux issue but I've made /var/nova/instances a symlink to a diff drive that has a few hundred gigs available and I'm still getting the same issue with no hosts found w/ enough resources | 00:27 |
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| haukebruno | donu7, could be. that's why I simply mount some big NFS export under the glance and nova-compute paths :p | 00:28 |
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| donu7 | @haukebruno i'm sorry to be so needy but could you give me an example of how you mean? i want to assume you have the /var/nova/instances directory as an NFS mount from, say, a storage node? | 00:31 |
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| haukebruno | donu7, yes. I just created lets say 10TB NFS export on my storage system (netapp in that case) and perform a "service nova-compute stop && mount [nfs stuff here] /var/lib/nova/instances && service nova-compute start" | 00:33 |
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| donu7 | i see, thank you very much haukebruno you've really helped me out! :D | 00:49 |
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| kur1j | what is the easiest way to deploy an OpenStack cluster on CentOS? | 02:10 |
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| kur1j | I've been fighting with deploying it through the instructions on the OS website and puppet but difficult as hell | 02:13 |
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| vaidy_ril | any idea how do we manage/onboard the existing vm to openstack? | 02:18 |
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| vaidy_ril | i am sure everyone is facing this issue who is trying to migrate to cloud | 02:18 |
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| larsks | vaidy_ril: you save it to a disk image and upload the resulting image to your openstack cloud. | 02:50 |
| larsks | ...and then boot it. | 02:51 |
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| kur1j | does anyone know of something free similiar to https://www.mirantis.com/products/mirantis-openstack-software/openstack-deployment-fuel/ | 03:08 |
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| mwang14 | Has anyone successfully deployed ceilometer with gnocchi? | 06:05 |
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| wmxy04 | Is gnocchi mature enough to be deployed in production environment? | 06:09 |
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| varh1i | Hi guys, I have an openstack instance that run out of storage on core machine and paused | 07:52 |
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| varh1i | I cleared up the core machine so it has more disk now | 07:52 |
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| varh1i | but when I start the machine I can't ssh in | 07:53 |
| varh1i | in rescue mode I'm able to ssh in | 07:53 |
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| varh1i | I want to unrescue the machine to be able to use it again without creating a new instance and migrate everything from this failed instance manually | 07:54 |
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| varh1i | In the log's the only thing that indicates an error is: | 07:54 |
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| varh1i | "Domain id=53 name='instance-00000193' uuid=f1705b2b-6c4e-4cf0-8606-c5547a59cb56 is tainted: host-cpu" | 07:54 |
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| varh1i | I enabled virtlib debug log but nothing interesting came up (or at least I didn't notice) | 07:55 |
| varh1i | do you have any idea what should I try? | 07:55 |
| varh1i | to unrescue the machine to and get it into active state | 07:56 |
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| KennethHeo | I ran this command "neutron node agent-list", but there are no compute node and also there are no any log messages. please give some tips. | 08:37 |
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| haukebruno | KennethHeo, isn't it "neutron agent-list" w/o "node"? | 08:40 |
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| KennethHeo | haukebruno, Ah right! you're right. it was mistyping. | 08:40 |
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| l4ng1t | it always ask credential | 08:50 |
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| Guest92302 | hi. Is DevStack a stand-alone solution or can additional nodes be added to it? | 10:23 |
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| Guest92302 | Are there any active users reading this? | 10:28 |
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| larsks | Guest92302: it's kind of early; US is just waking up. | 11:14 |
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| Guest92302 | lazy ;P | 11:16 |
| Guest92302 | joking of course | 11:16 |
| Guest92302 | i thought there might be european people on here too | 11:16 |
| larsks | Guest92302: but you *can* add nodes to devstack. There is even documentation: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/multinode-lab.html | 11:17 |
| Guest92302 | oh wow. sorry. i somehow missed that link | 11:17 |
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| Guest92302 | while you are there i'd like to ask another question. I have separated the neutron network traffic over their own physical network interfaces. Is it possible to do the same with the Cinder storage traffic? | 11:19 |
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| larsks | Guest92302: sure, should be. It's just a matter of using addresses on a different network for your storage servers. | 11:32 |
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| larsks | (with the caveat that I don't know whether or not this is easy to do when using devstack, which is designed for test/dev and not for actual deployments) | 11:32 |
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| haasn | the openstack documentation outlines a number of different deployment scenarios. Is there a good overview of what the benefits and drawbacks of each deployment scenario are? For example, I understand that the ‘classic’ networks suffer from a single point of failure / bottleneck for outbound networking, and that the ‘high availability’ configurations don't. But I don't understand any of the other | 11:53 |
| haasn | differences. For example, what's the difference between Open vSwitch and Linux Bridge? | 11:53 |
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| haasn | What's the difference between DVR and VRRP (L3HA)? | 11:53 |
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| admin0 | DVR = each compute node has a router (instead of dedicated neutron nodes ) .. VRRP = each router in the network node are in HA | 11:53 |
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| haasn | If you already have enough NICs on every compute node + a large enough public switch to be able to just plug every compute node into the public network directly, is there a benefit to using VRRP instead of DVR? | 11:56 |
| haasn | It sounds like the only drawback of the latter would be the extra cost of needing a third NIC on every node? | 11:57 |
| admin0 | we use a combination of direct-public-ip + floating ips , so all our nodes are also directly connected to the switch | 11:57 |
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| admin0 | but again, you can already also specificy all compute nodes as network nodes also | 11:58 |
| admin0 | haasn: more info here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR | 11:59 |
| admin0 | if you see the benefits fit your use case, you can try | 11:59 |
| admin0 | http://blog.gampel.net/2015/01/openstack-juno-dvr-summary.html | 11:59 |
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| haasn | I'm still not quite sure what my use case is, I'm trying to figure out what's possible and what's common in order to get a better understanding of what we _could_ offer | 12:01 |
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| partner | i've got my rabbitmq full with ceilometer metering data, not sure why but seems the queue is not going down. i'm not sure what exactly service should consume those messages, its more or less all stuck to "full" | 12:24 |
| partner | also seems to lack behind couple of days so something is slow somewhere obviously.. Kilo in use still here. should i just purge the queue ? | 12:24 |
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| ogzy | how can i get the floating ip range for a tenant by using api calls? | 12:43 |
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| haasn | When a compute host fails, what happens to the VMs? Say I had a VM that was running a computation. This computation will just be gone, right? | 13:19 |
| haasn | (e.g. contents of RAM) | 13:19 |
| haasn | There's no automatic failover in that sense? | 13:19 |
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| georgem1 | haasn: no, there is no such thing | 13:21 |
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| Mr_Roboto | georgem1:VMware does it with Fault Tolerance admittedly there are limitations on it | 13:26 |
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| georgem1 | Mr_Roboto: yes, it's true but last time I checked there was a single CPU limitation and the license cost is too prohibitive for a cloud environment.. | 13:28 |
| Mr_Roboto | 4 now but it depends on what he's looking to do with it | 13:28 |
| Mr_Roboto | If he's looking to protect a single application that's of super high importance it may be worth the investment. It doesn't mean it's impossible however. | 13:29 |
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| Mr_Roboto | If your application needs that kind of redundancy it's dubious you should be running it in the cloud in the first place. | 13:30 |
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| tenaglia | hi all | 13:47 |
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| tenaglia | I'm trying to sign the ICLA at https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/new-agreement but I get "Server Error - Cannot store contact information". How can I get this through? | 13:48 |
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| madhuri | Hi I am trying to setup devstack | 14:12 |
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| haasn | Mr_Roboto: I'm mostly trying to figure out what is and isn't possible | 14:16 |
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| haasn | An image's ephemeral storage is redundant, though; so if I'm running some large scale computation (e.g. say I'm simulating a neural network), I could just have the worker application atomically modify its ephemeral storage, and then if a VM node would fail in the middle of a computation I could just reboot it and it would continue where it left off? | 14:18 |
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| haasn | Assuming I just don't want to lose what might be days worth of computational work done on a single node in the event that the nova host it was running on fails | 14:19 |
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| haasn | Is it possible to over-provision VCPUs? | 15:32 |
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| ParsectiX | haasn: Can you elaborate a little bit ? What you want to do ? | 15:39 |
| ParsectiX | From the nova/nova.conf you can set the cpu ratio | 15:39 |
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| haasn | ParsectiX: In general, say I'm using openstack to deploy low-load VMs, I would want physical CPU cores shared between applications. So I can just set a global CPU ratio to determine the host CPU : vm CPU ratio? | 15:41 |
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| haasn | ParsectiX: Can I do so on a more fine-grained policy? e.g. say I want to have low-load VMs that shared their CPU cores with other low-load VMs, but I also want some VMs where I give them _priority_ over every other VM? So if they were to max out their load, they would take precedence over everything else | 15:42 |
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| ParsectiX | haasn: you can configure zones if I remember correctly. | 15:44 |
| ParsectiX | Also have a look on CPU pinning if this is what you want for high performance. | 15:45 |
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| haukebruno | haasn, in addition to ParsectiX: it is possible to set both cpu and ram allocation ratio as metadata to host aggregates. so you could ran one subset of KVMs with an overallocation of like 8 and another with 1. | 15:55 |
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| haasn | Interesting, thanks | 16:11 |
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| haasn | I'm not sure if I understand the intent of openstack's neuron networking stuff. I can use security groups to control access between VMs, e.g. making it so that VMs can only reach other VMs in the same security group over TCP. Why would I then ever care about being able to create virtual networks and hiding them behind a router? | 16:15 |
| haasn | What do I gain over a flat networking setup + security groups? | 16:15 |
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| jmccarthy1 | By chance, anyone run into when doing nova live-migration --block-migrate .... it complains: | 16:18 |
| jmccarthy1 | libvirtError: internal error: unable to execute QEMU command 'migrate': this feature or command is not currently supported | 16:18 |
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| haukebruno | jmccrory, what openstsack version + did you configure libvirtd correctly for live migration? | 16:26 |
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| jmccrory | haukebruno: juno, and no | 16:27 |
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| haukebruno | jmccrory, yep, sorry for bothering :p | 16:32 |
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| haasn | To perhaps better formulate my question: If my external network is big enough to assign a static IP for every VM instance, why would I need provider networks at all? And in general, why would I ever need more than 1 provider network? | 16:40 |
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| ParsectiX | haasn: The philosophy it's to have stacks (i.e. clusters of VMs) in an isolated environment. Use the floating ips and security lists to give limited access when you want. As an example you have a web application that interacts with a MariaDB cluster. You can expose only the www server to the outside world. | 16:50 |
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| haasn | ParsectiX: Why do I need a separate network for that? Just set up the security group to only allow TCP packets from security group ‘web’ to security group ‘mariadb’? | 16:51 |
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| haasn | What am I missing? | 16:51 |
| haasn | Ditto with only allowing flow between ‘www’ and public IPs | 16:51 |
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| haasn | You'd need a copy of these security groups for every different stack, but I also need a copy of my networking configuration for every different stack either way | 16:54 |
| haasn | (Which my approach wouldn't require) | 16:54 |
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| ParsectiX | yes you can do this. Having multiple networks can help you on several things. It's like in the physical world you have only one network with everything attached on it. | 16:54 |
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| ParsectiX | I think you can use the heat and create templates for those | 16:55 |
| ParsectiX | so you can automate the process. | 16:55 |
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| haasn | Hmm | 16:56 |
| haasn | I'm not sure if openstack instances have the same requirements as physical hosts. For one, you don't need to do any cabling yourself. They're already all in the same network, the cabling is just v irtual | 16:57 |
| ParsectiX | haasn: I'm not a guru. Just telling you my experiences using openstack. | 16:58 |
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| haasn | Here's what I'm thinking might be an argument: Hiding stuff behind subnets in real life has the advantage that you can hard-code internal IPs into your configuration and only associate them with floating IPs on-demand? And if you decide to migrate from, say, a static web server to a HAproxy setup, you could just re-assign the same floating IP to the HAproxy instance instead, without interruption of the | 16:59 |
| haasn | service? | 16:59 |
| haasn | Since you can't really do that with 1:1 external IP mapping | 16:59 |
| haasn | Unless you change the mapping, but that would require participation from the hosts | 17:00 |
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| ParsectiX | That's correct you can have the same floating ip and change where it points internally. | 17:03 |
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| haasn | What I'm planning on doing is outfitting every host (including storage, compute, network and controller nodes) on a single NIC (and perhaps a second NIC for failover routing in case a switch or NIC fails) | 17:59 |
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| haasn | This should be fine in theory, right? I can just run my ‘internal’ networks using internal subnets, and that way they won't ever be able to communicate with the internet | 18:00 |
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| haasn | ditto for my private tenant networks | 18:00 |
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| admin0 | haasn: if you have 2 network cards, separate your public and internal traffic | 18:07 |
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| haasn | admin0: Buying more network cards costs more money. What's to gain from separating them? | 18:07 |
| admin0 | so that a ddos or internal east-west traffic does not affect others | 18:07 |
| admin0 | just 2 is enough | 18:07 |
| admin0 | one for management and storage, another for your public, east-west .. or management, storage, east-west on one, public on the other | 18:07 |
| admin0 | is it private or public ? | 18:08 |
| haasn | admin0: I could use standard QoS to ensure that east-west traffic never causes denial of service on the management network, no? | 18:09 |
| admin0 | that again depends on the use case | 18:10 |
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| admin0 | whats it he use case of your cloud implementation .. private to company, out to public ? for a specific project ? | 18:10 |
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| haasn | Internal use “for now”. This is for a university, we _may_ consider the possibility of making VMs available to students on a project/as-needed basis | 18:11 |
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| admin0 | then you can get away with 1 single network card for now | 18:11 |
| haasn | But part of what I'm trying to do right now is figuring out what can and can't be done so we can think about what we may consider using the openstack for and what not | 18:12 |
| admin0 | if things go bad, you can always make the case to add 1 more network card | 18:12 |
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| haasn | I plan to outfit them with 10G which should be more than enough to cover the needs of all public, east/west and management traffic | 18:13 |
| admin0 | yep | 18:14 |
| admin0 | should be good | 18:14 |
| admin0 | similar to what i am doing now in one of my test clsuter | 18:14 |
| haasn | Storage traffic might be a consideration (planning on using ceph), but as long as I QoS it below the others I'm not particularly afraid of a storage node failing suddenly DDoSing the entire setup | 18:14 |
| admin0 | single 10g connection, everything else vlan | 18:14 |
| admin0 | oh .. ceph :D one disk fail and it will try to saturate your link :D | 18:14 |
| admin0 | but you will know when you get there | 18:14 |
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| haukebruno | admin0, but afaik just for the beginning of rebalancing. | 18:16 |
| admin0 | yes | 18:16 |
| haukebruno | or if someone is using SSDs as OSDs tough | 18:16 |
| admin0 | but it is still a traffic | 18:16 |
| haasn | Right now I'm planning on just having a single node type, i.e. every single node has all the capabilities it needs to run all openstack services on the same machine. Then I'd have all of them serve as compute/storage, and only 3 of them (or so) serving as controllers | 18:16 |
| haasn | Looking at buying a grand total of 3 machines for now | 18:16 |
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| haasn | (and expand as needed) | 18:16 |
| admin0 | if you use the ansible playbooks, you can use 1 controller node for everything, and still have 2 machines for computes | 18:17 |
| admin0 | but depends on what you plan to do | 18:17 |
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| haasn | Planning on using ansible. I want controller redundancy | 18:17 |
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| haasn | (e.g. ceph-mon, mysql) | 18:17 |
| admin0 | 2 controllers + 1 compute ? | 18:17 |
| admin0 | works | 18:17 |
| haasn | admin0: I would have my controllers also serve as storage/compute nodes | 18:17 |
| haasn | Unless that's a bad idea? | 18:18 |
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| admin0 | well, if someone is doing his heavy computing, or is using the cpu max .. it would affect/slow everything else right ? | 18:18 |
| admin0 | bease they share the same thing | 18:18 |
| admin0 | same server, same cpu | 18:18 |
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| admin0 | so I would not go that way .. i would just start with 1 controller + 2 compute, or 2 controller + 1 compute , but separate compute and controlers | 18:19 |
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| haasn | admin0: I'm not planning on providing heavy computing support at all. The main use case is e.g. being able to quickly throw up web servers or databases, file servers, or other networked services | 18:19 |
| haasn | So it's not in my design goals to be simulating large neural networks or anything | 18:20 |
| haukebruno | wish everyone a good night /o/ | 18:20 |
| admin0 | i would still separte controllers from compute | 18:20 |
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| admin0 | good night haukebruno | 18:20 |
| admin0 | its just 7 PM :D | 18:20 |
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| haukebruno | 1 am, little bit tired :p | 18:20 |
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| haukebruno | then -> good evening ;) | 18:21 |
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| haasn | admin0: Hmm. What I'm wondering: Say I have 24 CPUs on a node. Wouldn't it be possible to dedicate 4 of those, say, to the controllers - and only offer the other 20 to nova? | 18:21 |
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| admin0 | no .. but what you can do is gather some old computers and make them controllers :) | 18:22 |
| haasn | (the non-controller compute nodes would be offering all 24 to VMs) | 18:22 |
| admin0 | or | 18:22 |
| admin0 | well | 18:22 |
| admin0 | well | 18:22 |
| admin0 | would not advise that | 18:23 |
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| admin0 | mixing compute and controller | 18:24 |
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| krobzaur | Hello all. If I want to use the "openstack | 19:34 |
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| krobzaur | Hello all. If I want to use the "openstack" cli client to list users and whatnot, do I need access to my management network from my client machine? | 19:34 |
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| krobzaur | Running "openstack user list" on one of my controllers works fine, but if I try to run the same command from my desktop (with the added debug flag to see the problem), the command hangs with " | 19:35 |
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| bsv | hi, where do I submit improvements to the install guide? | 19:36 |
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| krobzaur | "Opening http connection to 1.2.3.4" where the IP is on my management network (with all my internal openstack traffic) | 19:37 |
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| krobzaur | I don't have access to that subnet from my desktop, but I feel like I shouldn't need to. I thought the point was to keep the users away from that network | 19:37 |
| admin0 | krobzaur: you have internal and public endpoint | 19:38 |
| admin0 | the public you add should be well public | 19:38 |
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| krobzaur | ahh, maybe its a misconfiguration in the rc file I' | 19:39 |
| krobzaur | ahh, maybe its a misconfiguration in the rc file I've been sourcing to export the necessary environment variables | 19:39 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Its strange though all my other cli clients work fine. Its only the openstack/keystone clients that hang or even try to access that IP | 19:43 |
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| admin0 | you need to debug and see what/where its trying to connect | 19:43 |
| krobzaur | admin0: I could pastebin the output from running with the debug flag | 19:44 |
| haasn | Something else I'm curious about: If I'm connecting every node to the network and using DVR to provide external routing, does this ‘make sure’ that each instance gets routed through the NIC on the node it's currently running on directly into the upstream network? i.e. there is no extra east/west trip to some other gateway? | 19:44 |
| admin0 | krobzaur: maybe pastbin your endpoints list as well | 19:45 |
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| admin0 | haasn: that is what DVR purposes :D | 19:45 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: http://paste.openstack.org/show/490590/ | 19:47 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: I won't paste my endpoints, but they are all ports off a public IP that I am certain I have access to | 19:47 |
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| krobzaur | For some reason the openstack clients grabs a token from my auth endpoint but then tries to connect to that management IP at the bottom that I don't have access to | 19:48 |
| admin0 | krobzaur: maybe your env or rc file if you mix both | 19:49 |
| admin0 | close that terminal and retry again | 19:49 |
| admin0 | so that your envs are not mixed up from one rc to another | 19:49 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Wow thats probably it because I sourced an old rc by accident awhile ago how did you figure that out so quickly? | 19:50 |
| admin0 | i do this like 12 hours a day .. whole week :D | 19:50 |
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| admin0 | been there, done that :D | 19:50 |
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| krobzaur | Ah its still not working =(. | 19:51 |
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| krobzaur | It gets to that same point and looks for the same IP | 19:51 |
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| admin0 | you need to find/preplace the endpoint list your true IPs with say 1.1.1.1 .. and also your rc file .. and then finally the debug info | 19:52 |
| admin0 | that would help | 19:52 |
| admin0 | *replace | 19:52 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Oh I think I may have figured it out. So I'm sourcing the rc file for my admin account, and the "admin url" | 19:58 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Oh I think I may have figured it out. So I'm sourcing the rc file for my admin account, and the "admin url" for my keystone endpoint points to an IP on my internal management network | 19:58 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Same IP as my "internalurl" | 19:59 |
| admin0 | :D | 19:59 |
| admin0 | deja vu | 19:59 |
| krobzaur | admin0: lol | 19:59 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: So whats the best way to fix this? If I modify my rc file to explicity override the adminurl with the publicurl, will I still be able to use that endpoint to make administrative changes to users and projects (assuming I authenticate with administrative credentials)? | 20:00 |
| krobzaur | By | 20:00 |
| krobzaur | By | 20:00 |
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| krobzaur | Jesus, I need to slow down lol | 20:00 |
| krobzaur | By | 20:00 |
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| krobzaur | By "that endpoint" I mean the publicurl endpoint | 20:01 |
| admin0 | yes, but normally in practice you do admin stuff internally .. a admin node/container accessible by jumphost | 20:01 |
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| admin0 | on public, do your public stuff as project user | 20:01 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Yeah I have ssh access to all my controllers so its a bit of a non-issue but I like to do things from the comfort of my desktop terminal if possible | 20:01 |
| krobzaur | Well sweet, thanks for the help my friend! | 20:02 |
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| kklimonda1 | does nova reschedule instances after shutdown? or is there a way to expose it to users? | 20:03 |
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| admin0 | it does not | 20:03 |
| admin0 | it still stays at the same compute node | 20:03 |
| admin0 | you can shelve it.. | 20:04 |
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| admin0 | and then it does a reschedule when starting up | 20:04 |
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| kklimonda1 | thanks | 20:05 |
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| kklimonda1 | "Shuts down the instance, and stores it together with associated data and resources" does it mean it will store, and the restore, IP addresses etc.? | 20:06 |
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| haasn | What's the difference between pause and suspend? What's the difference between shelving and powering down an instance? | 20:08 |
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| admin0 | power down = the instance lives in the same compute node, the reserved RAM and CPU is not re-used .. shelving = takes snapshot ( and based on some config options ) .. removes it from the compute node | 20:10 |
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| admin0 | means that CPU and RAM can be re-provisioned | 20:10 |
| haasn | ah | 20:11 |
| admin0 | when instance is started again, it follows another cycle of scheduling | 20:11 |
| kklimonda1 | I think the main difference between shelving and powering off, is that shelved instances have their disks saved to glance | 20:11 |
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| admin0 | yep | 20:11 |
| haasn | isn't that what offloading is for? | 20:11 |
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| haasn | or rather, what would be the difference between just shelving and shelving + offloading? | 20:11 |
| annegentle | details on shelve: http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/cli_stop_and_start_an_instance.html#shelve-and-unshelve-an-instance | 20:12 |
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| haasn | That article is what had me asking these questions :p | 20:14 |
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| admin0 | in a shutdown state, the backup of the instance is not taken .. , if you do shelving .. it just takes a snapshot and ( based on config ) waits to do something .. with shelve-offload, it does a remove without wiating for whats in the config | 20:17 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Alright, I | 20:20 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Alright, I'm still struggling a bit. What environment variables do I need to add to my rc file to override the adminurl so that when my openstack client grabs a token using my credentials it doesn't immediately assume I want to use the internal admin endpoint? | 20:21 |
| admin0 | krobzaur: use all public urls .. and then do a openstack user list debug and see what comes out | 20:22 |
| krobzaur | admin0: I've tried adding a few things but all of them still result in the client looking to the internal admin url after grabbing a token and realizing im the admin user | 20:22 |
| admin0 | if you are not specyfing it in your rc, but still comes = something wrong in the endpoints | 20:22 |
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| admin0 | krobzaur: add a new project/user .. create a virtualenv with openstack tools .. new terminal and redo the rc as admin and check | 20:22 |
| krobzaur | Alright let me try a different user real quick | 20:23 |
| admin0 | not real quick :D | 20:23 |
| admin0 | do it properly | 20:23 |
| admin0 | take time | 20:23 |
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| admin0 | ensure your env is good | 20:23 |
| admin0 | env | grep OS_ | 20:23 |
| admin0 | will show what envs ou have | 20:23 |
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| krobzaur | hmm, even when I authenticate as a normal user without admin privileges running "openstack user list" still points me to the "adminurl" for keystone after authenticating at the public facing authurl | 20:28 |
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| admin0 | you have some mismatch .. in your env or in your endpoints | 20:29 |
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| krobzaur | hmmm, I don't think its in my environment I've checked that pretty carefully | 20:35 |
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| admin0 | then endpoints :D curl — debug :D | 20:35 |
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| krobzaur | When I log into my controller and examine the keystone endpoint it clearly has a different adminurl and publicurl | 20:36 |
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| krobzaur | For some reason the client authenticates to publicurl, and after authenticating there it send its requests to adminurl. What am I missing? | 20:37 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Maybe I still have my old admin token? How does keystone make its association between the source of a request and a token? And when does it expire a token? | 20:39 |
| admin0 | mayne your token never expires :D | 20:39 |
| admin0 | god token | 20:39 |
| krobzaur | What can I do to flush all tokens? | 20:39 |
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| krobzaur | grr its not that for some reason whenever I run a client command regard identity information the client commands always redirect me to the adminurl regardless of which user I am authenticated as | 20:48 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Hmm, its seems to interact with keystone at all via the CLI you HAVE to use the adminurl when using the V2 API (which I am using) | 21:07 |
| admin0 | krobzaur: every user who is not an admin and not in your network.office can still interact with keystone on the public URL | 21:07 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Right, that makes sense because I can authenticate to keystone and all my other clients (nova, neutron, glance) function properly | 21:08 |
| admin0 | krobzaur: all others are services that use the internal url :) | 21:09 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: However, when using the keystone/openstack client to list users and whatnot, I am required to post those requests to the admin URL because of the V2 API | 21:09 |
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| admin0 | krobzaur: paste your endpoint list, change domain to domain.com and ips to 1.1.1.1 | 21:09 |
| admin0 | and pastebin it | 21:09 |
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| krobzaur | okay. I really don't think my endpoints are misconfigured. I have a "public facing" IP and all the endpoints for nova, neutron, glance, cinder, etc have a ports on that IP | 21:10 |
| krobzaur | keystone has its "public url" on that IP. Which makes sense. Whenever I run any client command it always authenticates to that IP and that works | 21:11 |
| krobzaur | However, when I use the keystone client to perform administrative commands, it authenticates to the public url (which works fine), and then posts any subsequent requests to the adminurl | 21:12 |
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| krobzaur | I think this is by design of the keystone client in the V2 API, I looked around online and all CRUD operations are required to use the adminurl | 21:12 |
| krobzaur | admin0: But I will paste my endpoints now | 21:12 |
| admin0 | krobzaur: i meant when you use a project member and do nova list or neutron list | 21:13 |
| admin0 | using the v2, does it also try to go to admin url ? | 21:13 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: http://paste.openstack.org/show/490603/ | 21:16 |
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| Razva | hey guys. any idea if Swift has some "nice gui" similar with swiftstack, but without robbing a bank? | 21:18 |
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| admin0 | krobzaur: looks ok | 21:20 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Yeah, I think its just the nature of the keystone V2 API | 21:30 |
| admin0 | do a user rc, do nova list | 21:30 |
| admin0 | see what happens | 21:30 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: It works fine, thats what I'm saying. It authenticates to the public keystone url, then uses the public nova url to complete the request. It lists the servers fine | 21:31 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: If I run "nova list" as a normal user I get the expected output. If I run "nova list" as and admin I get the expected output | 21:31 |
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| admin0 | aah | 21:32 |
| admin0 | just for as-admin you mean | 21:32 |
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| admin0 | your cluster doesn’t trust you to do admin from public network :D | 21:33 |
| krobzaur | admin0: Its ONLY when running "keystone user-list" or "openstack user-list" does it auth to the public keystone URL then attempt to post remaining service requests to the internal admin url for keystone | 21:33 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: I was reading this online, and I think its by design of the v2 API for keystone. Check this link: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13146986/getting-user-list-from-openstack-keystone-api | 21:34 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: In the top answer, the second paragraph seems to explain that this is the expected behavior for the v2 API | 21:35 |
| krobzaur | admin0: So after all this, the point is that I can administer keystone from outside my cluster, and I need to ssh into my controller to add/remove/list users and projects =) lol | 21:35 |
| admin0 | :D | 21:35 |
| krobzaur | cant administer keystone* | 21:35 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Well, now at least I know nothing is broken =) | 21:36 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Thanks for all the responses and being generally friendly and helpful. It definitely helped me work through this. I'm still pretty new to openstack overall so I'm still definitely in the learning phase | 21:37 |
| admin0 | my admin stuff ( under policy ) is always internal , so never tested from outside | 21:37 |
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| krobzaur | admin0: Or configure the firewall between my office network and my environment's management network to allow access to my management network from my desktop. But that would be silly | 21:38 |
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| admin0 | no.. should not complicate stuff :D | 21:38 |
| admin0 | admin = internal only .. and play with it :D | 21:38 |
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| krobzaur | This is all really good to know though. The way my environment is set up by doing things from my desktop I can simulate what actual public access would look like | 21:39 |
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| krobzaur | Well i gotta log off, thanks again for the help | 21:53 |
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