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jidarwhat's confusing me here is if I go and create another interface, on another vlan, plumb that into my controllers, tell the l3-agent the gateway for ipv6 or let RA advertise that, but where is the mapping for l2->l3 defined00:02
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jidarlike I see how br-ex is used for it often, where it's named like this in my ovs config: "bridge_mappings =datacentre:br-ex"00:03
jidarso that's a name I can see you get assigned, its an option you pass to the subnet creation, it maps to a phy interface00:03
haleybThere is an ipv6_gateway field you can define in the l3 agent conf file00:04
jidarright, got that part00:04
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jidarhttps://gist.github.com/b1d90ec8019f9de2b2a00c538c3ba47900:05
haleybright, that is where the neutron router will forward outbound packets00:06
jidarbut on what l2 segment will it forward them!00:07
haleyblike I mentioned, that gateway needs a /64 route to the neutron router's lla as well00:07
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jidarso is it just based on the phy interface's ip?00:08
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jidarlike it's just going to look up the controllers routes, find the subnet from that lla, and use that interface to drop the packets on the wire going out?00:08
haleybit should be the LLA of the port of that router on the external net00:08
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jidarcurious00:10
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jidarso if I don't have ipv6 enabled on say, my br-ex, nothing external may work00:11
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haleybi think it should, assuming you have eth0 plugged into it (or whatever your external interface is)00:12
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jidarthat's to say, LLA or not, if my br-ex doesn't have the right l2 mappings to support ipv6 going out00:12
jidarmy confusion here is really centered around how neutron is going to figure out what l2 segment to drop that packet on00:13
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haleybdoes ipv4 get out?00:13
jidaryes00:13
jidarbecause  of the bridge-mapping in ovs I posted earlier00:13
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haleybipv6 should too I would think, at least i've never done anything special i can remember00:13
jidaryea, I'm interested in playing with it soon00:14
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haleybassuming there is a global address on your upstream router, a ping from a VM should get to it00:14
haleybglobal as in ipv6 global00:15
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laware there any special concerns I need to be aware of if I want Openstack VMs to be able to send/receive routed multicast traffic to, say, a 239.0.0.0/8 address?02:17
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rossigeeyankcrime, pylot, lswid: cheers, guys - it's definitely looks like response time from the APIs - it seems that the rabbitmq and mysqld processes are running away with all the memory, causing it to swap - chances are this is the cause of my API response time issues - i'll try to reign those in and hopefully that'll fix it02:59
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Sam-I-Amlaw: did you figure your vlan stuff out?03:22
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lawalmost03:24
lawI'm actually thoroughly breaking stuff as we speak :-)03:24
lawfollowing this: https://www.rdoproject.org/networking/using-provider-networks/03:25
lawI was able to create a provider network that had a segmentation_id, and assign a subnet to it03:25
lawI can create VMs in that subnet, but now they are not contactable03:25
law'virsh list' on the appropriate controller node shows the VM as up03:27
law'show console' on the UI gives me: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/362758/41877214/03:27
lawlooks like the VM's eth0 isn't getting an IP, even though the UI reports it as having '10.10.10.88'03:27
Sam-I-Amit wont get an ip if tagging isnt working between where the vm starts and where the dhcp agent runs03:27
lawhrm03:29
lawwell, I used 'neutron net-create sfo_ext --shared --provider:network_type vlan --provider:physical_network sfo_ext --provider:segmentation_id 130' to create the provider network03:29
lawand 'neutron subnet-create --name sfo1 --allocation-pool start=10.10.10.80,end=10.10.10.250 --dns-nameserver 10.10.10.103 --gateway 10.10.10.1 sfo_ext 10.10.10.0/24' to create the subnet within it03:29
Sam-I-Amdo you see vlan tags on the interfaces?03:30
lawthe port-config for each of the compute nodes looks like this: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/362759/19065146/03:31
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lawI do see the vlan tags on the interfaces03:31
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Sam-I-Amwell, native vlan 130 means that vlan is untagged03:31
law'ip list' https://paste.fedoraproject.org/362760/14624191/03:32
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Sam-I-Amin which case you'd use provider:network_type flat in neutron03:32
lawI thought 'native vlan 130' meant it didn't *have* to tag it?03:32
lawalright, let me remove the 'native' line and see what happens :-p03:32
Sam-I-Amnope03:32
Sam-I-Amdefault native vlan is 103:32
Sam-I-Am1 is untagged, the rest are tagged03:32
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lawalright, just did a 'no switchport trunk native vlan 130' on each of the ports03:34
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lawok, that's odd03:35
lawI can ping the VM's IP from the switch, but I can't ping it from anywhere else - another host on 10.10.10.0/24, the compute node it belongs to, etc03:35
Sam-I-Amdoes the switch have an l3 interface on that vlan?03:36
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lawit does03:38
Sam-I-Amis that vlan properly tagged to other devices with ips on that vlan?03:39
lawI... don't think I understand the question03:40
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Sam-I-Amyou said there's another host on the 10.10.10.0/24 network, which is the same network as your vms?03:41
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lawthat's correct03:41
lawthe other hosts aren't necessarily configured as trunk ports though, they're access ports on vlan 13003:41
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Sam-I-Amok. as long as they're eventually tagged as 130, it should work.03:42
lawhrm03:42
lawactually, I think it might have been assigned a duplicate IP03:42
lawI'm tracing the IP via mac-address, and it looks like someone else on the network has that IP03:42
lawprobably my co-worker, running his own openstack testing stuff03:42
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lawI destroyed the VM on 10.10.10.88 and recreated it - the new assigned IP is 10.10.10.8903:43
lawnot pingable from the switch, or from anywhere else03:43
Sam-I-Amdid it actually get the ip?03:43
lawthe UI thinks it did03:44
Sam-I-Ambut does the console03:44
lawit does not03:44
Sam-I-Amthe  ui just shows what was assigned03:44
lawI can't even get an interactive console, but I can view the VM log03:44
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Sam-I-Amis your dhcp agent also listening on 130?03:44
lawVM log is https://paste.fedoraproject.org/362762/41988814/03:44
lawhow would I check the dhcp agent?03:45
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Sam-I-Amsame 'ip a' wherever the agent is running03:46
Sam-I-Amor ip link show03:46
Sam-I-Amshould see a bridge with vlan tags03:46
lawthe file /etc/neutron/dhcp_agent.ini on the controller node looks like: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/362763/62420001/03:46
lawI do see a 'em2.130' interface03:47
lawhttps://paste.fedoraproject.org/362765/62420051/03:47
Sam-I-Amthe config is fine03:47
Sam-I-Amtagging looks ok. might be interesting to tcpdump and see where dhcp gets dropped.03:48
lawcan I just hang it off the em2.130 interface, or does it need to be on the tap/br interface too?03:49
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Sam-I-Amhang what off? the tcpdump?03:50
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lawyes03:50
Sam-I-Amsure03:50
Sam-I-Amdo it on the compute node, then on the dhcp node03:50
Sam-I-Amtcpdump -lnvpei $interface03:51
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lawinteresting03:52
lawon the compute node: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/362766/24203581/03:52
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lawwith the flags you specified - https://paste.fedoraproject.org/362768/24204161/03:53
lawnothing is showing up on the controller node03:53
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Sam-I-Amhmm03:57
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Sam-I-Amthe ctrl node (with the dhcp agent) should see the dhcp packets. if not, thats a sign of a phys net config problem03:58
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lawwell, here's ifconfig/ip link on the controller node: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/362770/24207171/03:58
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Sam-I-Ambtw, if em2 is on the native vlan, but 10.10.10.x is on vlan 130, having an ip on em2 doesnt do much good04:01
lawem2 should be on vlan130 as well04:02
lawvlan130 encompasses 10.10.10.0/2404:03
Sam-I-Amits native as far as linux is concerned. you can put a 10.10.10.x ip on em2.130 but theres really no point.04:03
lawok, so how should I configure it?04:03
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Sam-I-Amare you around in about 12 hours?04:05
Sam-I-Ami've been up and traveling for a very long time today and am crashing pretty hard right now04:05
lawabout 13-14 hours, but sure04:06
lawyeah man, sounds like you're having an even longer day than me :-)  by all means, go get some rest!04:06
Sam-I-Amok, pretty sure we can figure this out better when i can think04:06
lawand thank you, again, for all your help!04:06
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Sam-I-Am3 hours of sleep in the last 36 hours?04:06
lawunderstood :-)04:06
jidarSam-I-Am: go to bed04:08
jidarand when you wake up, I want to ask you about ipv6 :P04:09
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Sam-I-Amlol04:09
Sam-I-Ammaybe i wont wake up in that case :)04:09
jidarhahaha04:09
jidartake care04:09
jidarafk myself04:09
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lawjidar: what do you want to know about ipv6?04:24
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sharathhi , i have doubt that , if compute node connection lost with controller how it will initiate the VM (service) under compute node ?04:29
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sharathwill it initiate the service in excising compute node or will try to bring up the old compute node (which lost connection from OpenStack controller )04:30
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sharathand what happens if again connection is established ? how service will be  maintained, will openstack controller will kill the VM ?04:32
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sharathplease help04:35
sharathkindly explain me04:35
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sharathhelp04:37
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andrewbogottsharath:  I only have a minute but I can try to help...04:40
andrewbogottyou're talking about a scenario where for example rabbitMQ goes down so that the compute node is no longer talking to the scheduler?04:40
sharathyes04:43
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andrewbogottsharath: in my experience that doesn't cause much to happen.  Naturally nothing gets scheduled on an unreachable compute node04:44
sharathwill controller will spawn a new vm (computenode) or will it spawn new vm (service)with same tap port name and ip ?04:44
andrewbogottbut the VMs themselves keep running in the meantime, presuming there's nothing else harming them.04:44
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andrewbogottI'm not sure about port and IP, it depends on your network setup.  but the set of used or available IPs is not stored on the compute node04:46
andrewbogottit would be in the nova DB or (possibly) in a neutron DB04:46
andrewbogottso I don't think there's a danger of overlap04:46
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sharathour scenario when entire connectivity lost (like a block  hole) will os controller will initiate the migration04:47
andrewbogottIf a compute node goes down and comes back, the first thing it does on resuming is check in with the controller to update ACTIVE status and such.04:47
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andrewbogottoh — I don't know.  That's very dependent on how you have things configured.04:47
andrewbogottI think there are automatic evacuation features but I have never used them04:47
sharathat that time, one compute node will send ADD and once other compute node alive it will send delete command to clear tables in switch , am i rt ?04:49
andrewbogottIf anything at all is happening automatically when a compute node goes down, then you're running features that I've never used.04:50
andrewbogottsharath: I'm sorry I don't have a better answer — your question is specific enough that you might be better served by detailing your setup and asking on a mailing list.04:50
sharathadd a new vm(service) once other compute node came to alive, it will kill the existing vm (service) and send down and delete04:50
sharathok andrew , thanks a lot for your quick help04:50
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OpenstackFriendHi, I am getting error for glance - root@openstack:/home/mitaka#  openstack image create "cirros" \07:12
OpenstackFriend>   --file cirros-0.3.4-x86_64-disk.img \07:12
OpenstackFriend>   --disk-format qcow2 --container-format bare \07:12
OpenstackFriend>   --public07:12
OpenstackFriendThe resource could not be found. (HTTP 404)07:12
OpenstackFrienduser list is showing proper result with glance user07:13
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OpenstackFriendendpoint is also showing proper with 2 glance image one with internal and another with external07:14
OpenstackFriendinterface07:15
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OpenstackFriendcan anybody advise on my above query?07:17
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OpenstackFrienddebug is showing me "GET /v2/schemas/image HTTP/1.1" 404 9307:19
OpenstackFriendRequest returned failure status 404.07:19
OpenstackFriendThe resource could not be found. (HTTP 404)07:19
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lawgive the 'file' argument an absolute path07:27
lawthat might make the hurting stop07:27
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lacihi07:41
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laciI've installed horizon from source (git), I cannot see the network topology: "ServiceCatalogException at /project/network_topology/07:42
laciInvalid service catalog service: identity"07:42
laciIn the instances panel horizon says "Error: Unable to connect to Neutron."07:43
laciit is mitaka and identity v307:44
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fauxbertmorning,09:04
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fauxbertI was hoping I could get some help with a problem I am encountering with os-neutron-install.yml , on the create network facts it barfs with a JSon serialization error09:05
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fauxbertTypeError: KeyError('type',) is not JSON serializable09:06
fauxbertit's probably something I fubarred somewhere09:06
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andymccrfauxbert: looks like you are using openstack-ansible? you'll get a bit more help in #openstack-ansible09:16
fauxbertdoh sorry, I thought I was there, sorry09:16
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wootehfoothello, how much ram does openstack vswitch use?11:02
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wootehfootanyone?11:04
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kangelaneHow long does the "Awaiting moderation" take on openstack ask ? I really could use some help - https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/91920/nova-compute-list-returning-error-404/11:22
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DUDIHello, facing one problem here..swift giving me object not found but i can see object using list command, also no error in logs..any help would be great..thanks11:26
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DUDIHello, facing one problem here..swift giving me "object not found" but i can see object in container list , also no error in logs..any help would be great..thanks11:33
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DUDIHello, facing one problem here..swift giving me "object not found" but i can see object in container list , also no error in logs..any help would be great..thanks11:46
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Andrew_jediHi Folks, I have this issue where a floating ip did not work after it was placed on a server but after detaching it and then attaching again will make it work. Any idea what might be causing this?12:05
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DUDIHello, facing one problem here..swift giving me "object not found" but i can see object in container list , also no error in logs..any help would be great..thanks12:12
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DUDIhi, i'm facing problem in getting object, i can see object in  container list of objects but requesting to download that object i'm getting object not found ..12:36
bingoarunprasathHey, do we have a limit on the number of interfaces I can attach to an instance ? I can't attach more than 4 , getting this error "os-interface (Caused by <class 'httplib.BadStatusLine'>: '') "12:37
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larsksbingoarunprasath: I'm not sure, but I wonder if more information might be showing up in the server logs (maybe the nova-compute logs, or maybe the neutron logs...)13:06
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kangelaneCan I somehow speed up this ask openstack "waiting moderation" process ? Can't finish my thesis without a bit of help -.- https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/91920/openstack-compute-service-list-returning-error-404/13:21
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kangelaneI quess it is a bug since I follow the manual to the letter, checked everything 4 times13:21
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DUDIhi, i'm facing problem in getting object, i can see object in  container list of objects but requesting to download that object i'm getting object not found13:28
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wasmumanyone know if this has been made available for kilo / centos packages?  Currently being nailed with it on a an additional ha controller node.14:44
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Sam-I-Amwasmum: what?15:06
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wasmumSam-I-Am:  using an rdo install of a controller via puppet.  Kilo installed python-glanceclient, which requires python-requests, which requires python-urllib3.  The newest versions of urllib3 parses the result from `glance image-show` incorrectly and responds with an attribute error.15:11
wasmumthe fix is downgrade to urllib3 1.10  and requests 2.7 or to the newest client15:12
wasmumrdo does not have the newest client15:12
wasmum:poop:15:12
Sam-I-Amdid you mix distro packages and pip packages?15:13
Sam-I-Amsounds like thats what is happening15:13
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wasmumI can use pip to clean it up - puppet should not have used pip15:15
wasmumI'll have to verify - thanks Sam-I-Am:15:16
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Sam-I-Ami think puppet uses distro packages but i dont know for sure15:19
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yankcrimethe package resource type lets you specify a provider, i.e use your distributions package manager + repos or use something else like pip15:25
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yankcrimeit's not really puppet's fault, it's only doing what the relevant manifest tells it to ;)15:25
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RedcavalierHi, quick question about fernet keys. In a multi-node keystone setup, they say to copy the key folder from one node to the other. When key rotation happens though, can I be sure that new keys that are generated will be the same on both nodes? Else I understand I would need to sync the keys somehow.16:24
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Sam-I-Amrsync or nfs16:25
Sam-I-Amor afs16:25
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Redcavalierok, so they do need to be synced16:25
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Redcavalierthx16:26
lbragstadRedcavalier the openstack-ansible keystone role has some guidance on how to do that16:26
lbragstadRedcavalier https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_keystone/blob/99b13a14e598cda3b98ad6bf0e853078f4a0c0e1/tasks/keystone_fernet.yml16:26
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Redcavalierlbragstad, thank you very much. Incidentally, I was trying to load a page on your blog and it doesn't look like it will load, for some reason.16:28
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lbragstadRedcavalier yeah - I have to do some work to tune it, should be back up16:28
Redcavalierlbragstad, yup, it's back up16:29
gg4glets say we mount openstack swift using some kind of fuse system and duplicity backups are sent there. if duplicity wants to download a certain portion of the file, is it possible to retrieve that portion or would the entire file be downloaded first?16:30
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notmynamegg4g: that depends on the "some kind of fuse system" I'd think16:31
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notmynamegg4g: but in general, the Swift API supports range requests, so that functionality could be written in whatever fuse thing you're using16:32
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whoanbrodudehrm. my vms only have external connectivity if i assign a floating ip to them.16:46
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plastikmanI need some help with neutron networking.  I am following the guide for setting up an OS cluster for Kilo on Ubuntu 14.04.  I have 3 nodes, they can all talk to each other.  My network node can talk across its network namespace to the internet.  My comute node can talk across its tunnel network17:08
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plastikmanmy VM on my compute node can not talk to the gateway, it timesout while trying to get an IP address17:08
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plastikmanI feel like i have done something wrong, i just cant tell what17:08
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kangelanehow does your route look like ?17:09
plastikmanI am not sure what you mean17:10
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kangelaneif you have like a linux vm, just exec "route"17:10
plastikmanoh. that :)17:11
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plastikmando you want to also see fromk the ip netns?17:11
plastikmanor just the standard name space17:11
kangelanejust from the vm17:12
kangelaneI probably know less than you about neutron though17:12
plastikmanon the VM, there is no route table.  it only exists when i add an ip manually17:12
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kangelanewell shouldn't the VM have a route table, where it sends all the packers ?17:13
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plastikmanI think the issue is less about the VM and more about the tunnel between the network node and the compute node.  reguardless.  when the VM is up, there is no ip assigned17:14
plastikmanso there is no route table17:14
haleybtore_: ping17:15
plastikmanwhen i assign it an IP i am giving it what OS says it shuold have 192.168.1.4 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.117:15
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plastikmanthen it gets a route to send 0.0.0.0 to the default GW which is 192.168.1.117:15
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plastikmanI feel like it is an IPtables issue17:16
plastikmanor some issue with the traffic crossing the bridge interface17:16
kangelanewell you can use nmap to see which ports are open17:16
plastikmanI am over my head with the openvswitch17:16
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plastikmankangelane: there are none.  the VM on the compute node is unable to communicate with the DHCP server on the network node17:17
plastikmanBUT i can talk to the DHCP server on the network node usign the router namespace17:17
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seanjohn I'm pulling my hair out, and I'm bald... Where to go for horizon issues/discussion?  I have this problem, and I am not a django or memcache expert.  for some reason django.wsgi times out:  https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/91574/cant-acces-to-horizon/  Followed guide here:  http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/install-guide-ubuntu/horizon-install.html I keep getting this in apache2 error log:    End of script output before head17:18
seanjohnPage never loads, and eventually get "Internal Server Error". I've been through several installs, from scratch, from Essex on up, and this is the first time I've seen this (Granted things have changed through each progression). Pretty sure my local_settings.py file is fine...17:18
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kangelaneplastikman, I think I cannot help you. Maybe you can help me ? neutron uses vlans right, but I have on my network vlan10 and vlan2.  Will this be a problem ? (Setting up everything on 1 NIC with 2 vlans, just a test project)17:22
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Sam-I-Amplastikman: so the vm cant get an ip via dhcp?17:23
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plastikmanin my digging i found some people using vlans to make networking work.  I am not using them in my env, so i am not sure.  obviously i am bad at computers :)17:23
plastikmanSam-I-Am: correct17:24
georgem1seanjohn: enable debugging in horizon and you should where the error comes from17:24
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Sam-I-Amplastikman: and if you add the ip that its supposed to get, you cant ping the gw or the dhcp server's ip?17:24
plastikmanSam-I-Am: yes17:24
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Sam-I-Amdefinitely sounds like a tunnel problem17:25
Sam-I-Amfirst question, why are you using kilo for a new installation?17:25
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plastikmanperhaps because I am bad at computers too?  I thuoght that was the latest release17:26
Sam-I-Amits 3 releases ago17:27
Sam-I-Ameither way, we should be able to make it work17:27
kangelanemitaka is the current stable one, I just installed it, doing neutron right now.17:27
plastikmanHAHAHA.  wow.  super fail17:27
Sam-I-Amhow did you find the docs you used?17:27
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plastikmanfrom google.  they are the ones that came up17:27
plastikmanSam-I-Am: I would rater use the lastest.  I should just blow these up and start fresh17:28
Sam-I-Amplastikman: at docs.openstack.org ?17:28
plastikmanSam-I-Am: yes17:28
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Sam-I-Amgoogle is good at pulling up older docs by default17:28
Sam-I-Amits been an ongoing problem17:28
Sam-I-Amif you're new, you don't know17:29
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kangelaneI can give you an advice, if you do everything like manual and something is not working, Check for typos, don't look for fixes. (5 hours not well spent)17:30
seanjohn_d17:30
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Sam-I-Amtypos are easy to make, and often result in obscure errors17:30
Sam-I-Amor stuff that appears to work, but doesnt17:31
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plastikmankangelane: i have double checked multiple times :(  Either way.  I will fresh start with17:32
plastikmanmitaka17:32
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Sam-I-Amplastikman: so i'm guessing you're using openvswitch, 3 nodes, etc?17:33
Sam-I-Amthats how the kilo guide worked17:33
plastikmanSam-I-Am: yes17:33
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Sam-I-Amlocal_ip on the network and compute nodes refer to local ips on each node, right?17:34
plastikmancorrect17:34
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Sam-I-Amno firewalling, right?17:37
Sam-I-Amat least on ubuntu there's usually no default firewall17:37
plastikmancorrect17:37
Sam-I-Amif you tcpdump on the interface with the tunnel endpoint ip on the compute and network nodes while generating traffic from the vm, do you see anything?17:38
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plastikmannothing :(17:40
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Sam-I-Amis the ovs agent running?17:41
Sam-I-Amis it alive in neutron agent-list ?17:41
plastikmanyes17:41
plastikmanI can also ping the router gateway from my external new17:42
plastikman*net17:42
Sam-I-Amits good when that part works17:42
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Sam-I-Amfrom the dhcp namespace, can you ping the private net's gw?17:42
Sam-I-Amand also the other way around17:42
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Sam-I-Amnext thing is a potential config error, so that would be in ml2_conf.ini on all of the nodes... you should paste them somewhere.17:43
plastikmanyes17:43
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plastikmanroot@os-net:~#  ip netns exec qdhcp-c9140378-b5e7-4a84-91d7-1c31aca6e9c9 ping 192.168.1.117:44
plastikmanthat returns pings17:44
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Sam-I-Amok17:45
plastikmanone min17:45
plastikmanill post the configs17:45
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plastikmanSam-I-Am: http://pastebin.com/Z9tu5ttb17:48
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Sam-I-Amplastikman: these drift a bit from the docs i know about17:50
Sam-I-Amdo you actually have a br-ex on the compute nodes?17:50
plastikmanSam-I-Am: i feel I am wasting your time.  Let me re-build this on the latest release17:51
plastikmanI appreciate your help but i think it is not right askin you this on a 3 release back new install17:51
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Sam-I-Amstarting with liberty, the install guide uses the linux bridge agent which is a bit easier to debug17:52
Sam-I-Amand there's also only 2 nodes17:52
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Sam-I-Amswitching from ovs wasnt the reason for the node reduction, just simplifying the requirements17:52
plastikmanI will install on the new release.  I will make it work :)17:52
Sam-I-Amyou normally wouldnt combine the control plane and network components on the same box in prod, but for a POC its easier.17:52
Sam-I-Amsure17:52
plastikmanI think it might make sense to still use 3 nodes?  controller, compute, network?17:53
plastikmanor no?17:53
Sam-I-Amyou still can, but the step-by-step instructions assume 217:54
lawhey Sam-I-Am, how'd you sleep last night?  :-)17:54
kangelaneSam, Have you heard that openstack has been set up over 1 nic and 2 vlans  ? Does it work ?17:54
Sam-I-Amlaw: fine, but not long enough. gets light too early.17:54
lawwerd, I know that feel.  Been a believer in the elastic-string face-mask for awhile myself, to fix exactly that problem17:55
Sam-I-Amkangelane: you can even use 1 vlan (just a bare interface), but it isn't pretty or recommended.17:55
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kangelaneThanks for this, I have been googling crazy about this, only found information on 1 NIC and 1 machine17:56
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kangelaneShould I be worried about neutron naming the vlans it uses as vlan2 or vlan10 which I use ? Hard to find this info17:56
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lawif you've got the time today, Sam-I-Am, I'd love to revisit the vlan stuff we were working on yesterday.  no rush on my end though17:57
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lawalternate question - on Mitaka, do I want to be using linuxbridge, or would OVS be the better choice?17:59
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Sam-I-Amkangelane: if you need to use vlans, you can provide neutron with a range to use. or, if those networks are created by an admin, you can select an arbitrary vlan ID.18:00
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kangelaneThanks for the help, I quess I will not worry about it right now and if need be I will look manual for the vlan range18:03
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AndyWojoI have a PoC set up on top of vmware with three VMs a controller, compute and network18:05
AndyWojoAny gotchas I need to worry about with vmware?18:05
tore_haleyb: pong18:05
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Sam-I-Amlaw: well, ovs in the conventional fashion doesnt get you much18:11
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Sam-I-AmAndyWojo: make sure you enable promisc mode and mac address forging on the vswitch/vnetwork that you use for the neutron external/public/provider network18:11
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Sam-I-Amlaw: i'll bbiab... locating edible objects18:12
AndyWojoOkay. So I have an external 192.168.x external network, and I created a 10 network inside vmware18:12
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lawno rush at all man, I appreciate you even giving me the time of day on this mess :-)18:12
AndyWojoSo you're saying I need to enable promisc mode on the 192 vswitch18:12
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whoanbrodudeguys can someone comment on this bit please? https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat-templates/tree/hot/lbaasv2/lb_group.yaml#n78 - i understand what's happening in the script, i just dont get what the purpose of this particular piece is18:22
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whoanbrodudeoh wait. is this just echoes the hostname to whatever hits the port?18:24
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tore_haleyb: saw your launchpad update, tested the patch - lgtm - added a +1 in gerrit. thanks!18:24
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kangelaneWell the initial testing of launching an instance didn't work, might be because of demo user, but I don't understand it - http://pastebin.com/6AdEekdG (in the end the curl is authentication required)18:41
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haleybtore_: did it also disable ipv6 on the tap devices that got plugged?  i need to go add a test now18:52
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lawhow can I explain the concept of a network 'broadcast domain' to a non-technical c-level?18:57
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plastikmanlaw: just say its magic18:57
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obcecadowhen you are subnetting, you are creating broadcast domains18:58
obcecadoit happens on osi layer218:59
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georgem1law: it's like having 100 people working and talking in an open space18:59
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Sam-I-Amlaw: back19:00
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lawexcellent19:02
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tore_haleyb: no, it did not. only the brq device19:04
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Sam-I-Amlaw: so, where were we?19:05
tore_haleyb: and the v[x]lan device, but that happened from before19:05
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haleybtore_: ok, thanks19:08
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lawwell, we've got VMs coming up.  They are pingable from within 10.10.10.0/24, but they are not pingable from the other networks19:09
lawall the VLAN defintions live on the switch - this all all-provider, all the time19:10
Sam-I-Amlaw: so a host outside of openstack on 10.10.10/24 can ping things in openstack on that network?19:10
lawthat's correct19:10
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Sam-I-Amok, as of last night that wasnt working19:11
Sam-I-Amso at least it works now19:11
lawwant me to grab some config files?  if so, anything beyond /etc/neutron/plugins/{ml2_conf.ini,linuxbridge_agent.ini,dhcp_agent.ini}?19:12
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Sam-I-Amlaw: well, the vlan parts seem to be fine now19:13
Sam-I-Amthis seems like more of a L3 problem19:13
Sam-I-Amis there a router on that network?19:13
Sam-I-Amand do other networks have a route to it?19:13
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lawa actual, physical router, or an openstack router?19:15
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Sam-I-Amphysical router19:15
Sam-I-Amthere is no openstack router with provider nets19:15
Sam-I-Amwhen you configure the subnet, you tell it the gateway to use19:16
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lawthere is a 3750E switch that is the router for those VLANs - it controls the SVI for each VLAN19:16
Sam-I-Amso there's an svi on the 10.10.10/24 network that all hosts, openstack or not, use?19:16
lawthat is correct19:17
law10.10.10.119:17
lawfor reference, here are the ml2_conf.ini and linuxbridge_agent.ini files for the compute and controller nodes: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/363122/46247585/19:17
Sam-I-Amthat looks about right19:18
lawhere's the interface-list for both controller and compute nodes: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/363125/47592914/19:19
Sam-I-Amquestion is, do other networks have a route to 10.10.10/24?19:19
lawyes, they do19:19
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Sam-I-Amno doubt there's a connected route for it on the 375019:19
lawall the other VLANs live on this switch19:19
lawhang on, let me get you a network diagram :-)19:19
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit is restarting to address performance issues related to a suspected memory leak19:20
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Sam-I-Amthat paste looks pretty normal too19:20
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lawhttp://imgur.com/JgLhc0N19:20
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laweverybody is connected to that 3750X in the center19:20
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Sam-I-Amcan non-vms on 10.10.10/24 ping things outside of that network?19:21
Sam-I-Amwell, non-openstack things19:21
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lawyes19:22
Sam-I-Amare your openstack instances getting the right gateway ip?19:22
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law!!!19:22
openstacklaw: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.19:22
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lawI did not log into the VM to check that19:23
Sam-I-Amdurrr19:23
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sc68cal!help19:23
openstacksc68cal: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.19:23
sc68cal!ls19:23
openstacksc68cal: Error: "ls" is not a valid command.19:23
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Sam-I-Amsc68cal: dork19:23
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lawoh mother of mary19:24
lawnow the VM is not responding to ping19:24
lawit appears up in every other way, according to virsh19:24
lawlet me delete and recreate19:24
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lawalright, maybe I spoke too soon about VMs magically working.  I dunno wtf changed from 'last night' to 'this morning', but I swear I had at least one VM pinging19:26
Sam-I-Amhow much were you drinking?19:27
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lawI had one martini, max19:27
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lawalright, this new VM is spawning.  I've got tcpdump hanging off of em2.130 on both the controller/dhcp node and the compute node19:28
Sam-I-Amriiight19:28
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lawI am seeing the VM attempting to DHCP its address https://paste.fedoraproject.org/363128/14624765/19:29
lawbut there is no traffic on the em2.130 interface on the controller node19:29
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Sam-I-Amswitch config problem?19:30
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lawI am seeing the mac address on the switch: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/363130/24766411/19:30
Sam-I-Amyou can also tcpdump on em2 bare and see the vlan tags go by19:30
Sam-I-Amthats what the 'e' switch does19:31
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Sam-I-Ammac address of the vm?19:31
Sam-I-Amdo you see the mac address of the dhcp server?19:31
lawhere is the switch config - https://paste.fedoraproject.org/363131/46247669/19:31
lawlet me try the mac of the DHCP server19:31
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Sam-I-Amthat native vlan thing will bite you19:32
lawthat's only in access mode19:32
lawthe port is in trunk mode19:32
Sam-I-Amno, thats also in trunk mode19:32
Sam-I-Amit switches the untagged vlan from 1 to some other number19:32
Sam-I-Amso openstack is emitting tags on 130, and the switch is dropping them19:33
lawif I take off that, then the controller/compute nodes cannot ping 10.10.10.1 from the em2 interface19:33
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Sam-I-Amif you send untagged traffic from openstack, the switch will make it vlan 130 internally19:33
lawbut I should be sending tagged traffic from openstack19:33
Sam-I-Amyeah, because em0 is untagged19:33
lawem1 is untagged (primary interface), em2 is tagged19:34
Sam-I-Amopenstack interfaces are purely layer 2, so there's no need for an ip on em219:34
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lawhere is my /etc/network/interfaces - https://paste.fedoraproject.org/363134/24768911/19:35
lawthat's the controller node, but the compute nodes are all the same except for the actual IP19:35
Sam-I-Ami'm guessing em1 is for management, and em2 is for neutron nets?19:35
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lawthat is correct19:35
Sam-I-Amrather, provider nets only (no overlay nets)19:36
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Sam-I-Amwhich, if you never plan to use private nets, you can get rid of all the vxlan stuff19:36
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lawwe might at some point in the future19:37
Sam-I-Amok19:38
lawwe went with provider nets because that seemed the simplest19:38
Sam-I-Amin either case, you dont need an ip on em219:38
Sam-I-Ambecause your tunnel endpoints seem to be using em119:38
Sam-I-Amif you want to test connectivity on 10.10.10/24 at the host level, you'd need to move that IP to em2.13019:39
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Sam-I-Amthen it would be on vlan 13019:39
Sam-I-Ambut then your vms could access the host they're on, and that's generally a security no-no19:39
Sam-I-Amso i'd go with removing that ip, and just configuring em2 to come up without one19:39
lawthat's a new one for me, what does that look like?  :-)19:40
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lawjust 'auto em2' and no 'iface' section?19:41
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Sam-I-Amhttp://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/install-guide-ubuntu/environment-networking-compute.html19:41
Sam-I-Amsort of like that19:41
Sam-I-Amits an atypical config, so theres a little more magic19:41
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lawfair enough.  new config applied, rebooting now...19:44
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lawalrighty, hosts are back19:48
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lawoh man, I somehow have a ton of multicast traffic on em219:50
lawthat shouldn't happen, we've got PIM/IGMP enabled19:50
Sam-I-Amwell, it's going to flood at least initially19:51
Sam-I-Amdepending on whats going on19:51
Sam-I-Amnot sure what you're doing with mcast, but dense mode works that way19:51
lawthis environment does a lot of streaming video processing19:52
lawand they use multicast to get 'a crapload of video' from point A to B internally19:52
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lawany thoughts on how I can tell tcpdump 'just ignore multicast'?19:52
lawI've got some semi-judious grep -v's going on, but that doesn't seem to be helping much19:52
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Sam-I-Am"not multicast" ?19:54
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Sam-I-Amas a filter on the end19:54
lawnice19:55
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lawalright, booting a VM now, I can see the DHCP request come from the compute node, but it still doesn't hit the controller19:55
lawoh wait, let me remove the 'native' line from the port configs19:56
Sam-I-Amyep19:56
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lawalright, tagging removed...19:57
lawjust to be clear - where should I be hanging my tcpdump off of - em2, or em2.130?19:58
Sam-I-Amem2 lets you see tags, if nothing else19:58
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Sam-I-Amjust to make sure they're getting on the wire19:58
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law...19:59
lawgoddammit19:59
lawall to heck.  HECK, I tell yoU!19:59
lawremoving the IP from em2, and removing the native tagging...20:00
lawand my VM has an IP20:00
lawlets see where its pingable from!20:00
Sam-I-Amheh20:00
lawoh look.  it's pingable from everywhere20:01
lawcomputers.  they never do what you want them to do, they only do what you tell them to do20:01
law>_<20:01
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lawthank you so, so, incredibly much20:01
lawlast question though, and I promise to shut my piehole20:01
lawI've got ONE network/VLAN on here now20:01
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lawhow do I get... two?  or more?20:01
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Sam-I-Amjust create another neutron network with a different segmentation (vlan) id20:02
Sam-I-Amand make sure your switch will pass that vlan, and has an interface on it acting as the gw.20:02
lawhere's the net-create and subnet-create I did - https://paste.fedoraproject.org/363147/46247852/20:02
lawI tried that yesterday, just feeding it new network names, but IIRC I was stopped by a config option20:02
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Sam-I-Amyou'd need to change the segmentation_id20:03
Sam-I-Amand the name20:03
lawunder 'ml2_type_vlan', I've got this directive; network_vlan_ranges = sfo_ext:130:20020:03
Sam-I-Amthe vlan range in ml2 only applies to self-service networks20:03
Sam-I-Amas an admin, you can use any value20:03
Sam-I-Ambut if a user went to create a vlan network, it would select from that range20:03
lawwould I just do 'network_vlan_ranges = sfo_ext:130:200,sfo_ext_1:131:200,sfo_ext_2:132:200', etc?20:03
lawahh ok20:03
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Sam-I-Amthere's a difference between the neutron network name and the interface mapping20:04
lawhere's the error: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/363149/47867214/20:04
Sam-I-Amyou can have multiple vlans using the same physical_network name20:04
lawahhh ok, that's good to know20:04
Sam-I-Amyeah, that value would stay the same here20:05
lawwait, but how do I differentiate on the subnet-creation?20:05
Sam-I-Amit would only be different if you wanted to map this network to something other than em220:05
Sam-I-Amyou associate a subnet with a network20:05
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lawright, but my subnet-create is: neutron subnet-create --name sfo1 --allocation-pool start=10.10.10.80,end=10.10.10.250 --dns-nameserver 10.10.10.103 --gateway 10.10.10.1 sfo_ext 10.10.10.0/2420:05
lawthere's no segmentation_id for that20:05
law(should there be?)20:05
Sam-I-Amno. it attaches to the sfo_ext network20:06
Sam-I-Amin that case20:06
lawright, and sfo_ext has segmentation_id of 130 right now, but I'd want a second network with a seg_id of 13120:06
Sam-I-Amwhich is the argument right after net-create20:06
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Sam-I-Amnot the argument for physical_network20:06
lawam... am I not creating physical networks with 'net-create'?20:06
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Sam-I-Amyou're creating neutron virtual networks, and at that point they're purely layer 2 constructs20:07
Sam-I-Amuntil you add a subnet20:07
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lawso, and again pardon my ignorance, but where are physical networks defined?20:07
Sam-I-Amthey're in interface_mappings in your linuxbridge_agent.ini20:08
Sam-I-Amthose names map to real interfaces, and they're what you put into provider_network20:08
Sam-I-Amerrr physical_network20:08
law....oh SNAP!20:08
lawalright, THAT makes a SHITLOAD more sense now!20:08
Sam-I-Amthe name after 'net-create' is arbitrary20:08
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Sam-I-Ambut you'd reference it with a subnet create20:09
lawright, that adds the L2 sauce on top20:09
lawoh man, the lightbulb just went on20:09
lawso in linuxbridge, lets say (for example) I had multiple physical networks20:09
lawI'd define them like physical_interface_mappings = sfo_ext:em2,sf_ext2:em3,sf_ext_whatever:em420:10
Sam-I-Amphysical networks being interfaces...20:10
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Sam-I-Amyep20:10
lawand then I could net-create to my heart's content, templating like so:20:10
Sam-I-Amand each of those can have 1 flat network and 4000+ vlan networks20:10
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law+1,000,00020:11
lawand on that note... boss interrupt, so sorry20:11
Sam-I-Amheh20:11
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lawback20:54
lawgreat googly moogly20:54
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Sam-I-Amwat20:54
lawalright, so I've got my VMs booting into the networks they're supposed to be20:54
Sam-I-Amyes20:54
lawthey're coming up, they're pingable from the compute nodes20:54
lawnot pingable from the VPN/10.10.5.0/24, but that might be an ASA config20:54
Sam-I-Amcould be20:54
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lawI can log into the VMs no problem from any compute node, can ping the IP from the switch, etc20:55
lawhowever, I can't ping *out* from the VMs20:55
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lawrather, I can ping out from a VM on 10.10.10.0/24, but not from 10.10.13.0/2420:55
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Sam-I-Amis 13 another neutron network?20:56
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lawno, its a provider network - it lives on my physical switches20:56
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lawhere's how I've got them set up on neutron - https://paste.fedoraproject.org/363185/48186914/20:58
Sam-I-Ami guess i'm confused20:58
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Sam-I-Amwell, provider-type neutron networks20:58
Sam-I-Amso, does your switch know about those additional subnets?20:59
Sam-I-Amand each network is using a unique seg id, right?20:59
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lawyes, it is21:03
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Sam-I-Amand the switch has a svi on those vlans?21:04
lawhere's the full switch config - https://paste.fedoraproject.org/363190/14624822/21:04
Sam-I-Amor whatever cisco calls them21:04
lawyessir21:04
Sam-I-Amcan the vm ping the svi ip?21:05
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lawSVI's the Ciscoean term, yes21:05
lawit can21:05
Sam-I-Amand the switch can ping the vm?21:05
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lawwaaaait a second21:05
lawsome idiot put an ACL on my VLANs21:05
lawhang on....21:06
Sam-I-Amlol21:06
Sam-I-Ami was going to suggest that21:07
Sam-I-Amtoo many chefs in the routing kitchen21:07
lawok, I've applied that same ACL to VLAN13321:07
lawstill no love.  from the VM I can ping every SVI, but I can't ping beyond the switch21:07
Sam-I-Amcan the switch ping the vm?21:07
lawactually, it apparently just needed a minute21:09
lawnow it's happy21:09
lawalright - once again, computers never do what you want them to do, they only do what you tell them to do21:09
Sam-I-Amheh21:09
Sam-I-Amthey tell me to drink21:09
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lawI am literally blasting "LIKE A BAUSS" right now because of you21:14
lawthank you so much21:14
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law(I work from home, so the worst it can do is annoy my dog)21:14
lawOpenstack skillset++ for me though, this whole process was insanely enlightening21:14
Sam-I-Amlol21:15
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laware you ever in the Seattle area, Sam-I-Am?21:15
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Sam-I-Amnope, but i religiously listen to kexp, so sometimes it feels that way21:16
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lawheh, fair enough.  well, should our paths ever cross, you won't be able to pay for a drink all night21:17
MentalRaySam-I-Am  to the rescue again :p21:17
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MentalRayHow you doing?21:18
MentalRayRelaxed since the summit?21:18
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Sam-I-Amlaw: you come to any openstack events?21:19
Sam-I-AmMentalRay: eh, trying to get back on track21:19
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MentalRayI peruse the videos of Austin21:20
MentalRayI dint see you21:21
MentalRayyou did a presentation21:21
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Sam-I-AmMentalRay: 'the notorious m.t.u.'21:22
MentalRayah will check it21:22
MentalRayyou told them to set it over 9000 ?21:22
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Sam-I-Amwell, there really isnt an over 9000 on most network gear21:23
Sam-I-Ambut the gist of the presentation is that neutron supports mtus larger than 1500 now for VMs21:23
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MentalRaywith all the help you do here21:24
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MentalRaythey should throw you flowers at the end of your session21:24
MentalRay;p21:24
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Sam-I-Amhaha, i feel loved :)21:25
MentalRaywell21:25
MentalRayits the truth lol21:25
Sam-I-Ami'd prefer bottles of whiskey, just not thrown at me :)21:25
MentalRayhttp://cdni.wired.co.uk/1920x1280/d_f/Drone_02.jpg21:26
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MentalRaywhats your favorite whiskey?21:27
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* admin0 throws a bottle of johnny walker black label @ Sam-I-Am 21:28
lawno Openstack events quite yet.  $gig claims they're going to send me to Barcelona, but I'm not holding my breath21:28
laware you a Racker, Sam-I-Am?21:29
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Sam-I-Amlaw: i work for ibm21:31
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Sam-I-AmMentalRay: theres lots of favorite whiskeys21:31
Sam-I-Ami'm not picky21:31
MentalRayBowmore 18 years?21:32
Sam-I-Amadmin0: i dont catch very well, sportsball isnt my thing.21:32
Sam-I-AmMentalRay: anything 18 year is probably good21:32
MentalRayhttps://www.masterofmalt.com/whiskies/bowmore-18-year-old-whisky/21:32
MentalRayif you go to Barcelona21:32
admin0sorry i read “ just not thrown at me “ — as “ just throw it at me “21:32
MentalRayIll throw you one21:32
admin0:D21:32
MentalRayhehe21:33
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Sam-I-AmMentalRay: i'll keep that in mind. not sure if i'm going yet.21:33
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Sam-I-Ami tend to substitute one of the two summits for other things like mid-cycle meetups21:33
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MentalRayyou back in CO?21:33
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Sam-I-Amops meetup, neutron mid-cycle, etc.21:33
Sam-I-Amyeah, i'm in denver21:33
Sam-I-Ami did my year of time in texas, now i'm done21:34
MentalRayI might go to California soon but possibly boulder too21:34
Sam-I-Ambad enough i was back there for the summit21:34
MentalRaylol21:34
Sam-I-Amtexas doesnt wash out easily21:34
MentalRayTexas fan I see21:34
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MentalRaydont like the heat?21:34
Sam-I-Amthere are some good things... bbq, beer21:34
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Sam-I-Amthe heat didnt bother me as much as the cost of living, traffic, and lack of good cycling/flying21:35
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MentalRayah true21:36
MentalRayLast christmas party21:36
MentalRayI bought some Indian Whiskey21:36
MentalRaywas good21:36
MentalRaytrying to find the name again21:36
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MentalRayhttp://www.saq.com/page/en/saqcom/whisky/amrut-indian-whisky-single-malt/11864269?selectedIndex=3&searchContextId=-100251737412221:37
MentalRayI think this one21:37
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lawwhat's the config option in my.cnf to get rid of those 'too many connections' errors?21:46
Sam-I-Amlaw: how many services/nodes are you running?21:47
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lawright now, 1 controller, 4 compute21:49
lawsoon to be 2 controller, 16 compute21:49
laweventually, 8 controller, 64 compute21:49
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Sam-I-Amhmm, mysql shouldnt balk at that21:51
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lawright now max_connections is set to 15121:53
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lawcan I just jack that to 10000 and call it a day, or are there other variables that need to be twiddled?21:53
Sam-I-Amhow did you deploy this?21:54
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lawI followed the Ubuntu deploy guide for Mitaka21:55
Sam-I-Amok. well, you can try upping the max connections, but 151 seems high enough for 5 total nodes21:56
Sam-I-Amwhat are your plans for security and ha?21:56
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lawI want to have at least three HA controller nodes21:57
lawsecurity - do you mean network-ACL wise, or....?21:57
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Sam-I-Amsecuring your endpoints... like ssl/tls21:57
lawthat is 'on the list' (or, at least MY list)21:57
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lawI am having a HELL of a time convincing people that security is necessary21:57
lawthey've got an ActiveMQ port just hanging out on the public internet on AWS that I threw a fit over just this morning21:58
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Sam-I-Amuh, wow.21:58
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lawyar21:58
lawPBTH... PBTH... PBTH...21:59
lawas a consultant, there's only so many times I can say "don't stick beans up your nose.  Just don't do it.  Please."21:59
lawmy client has beans.  they have a nose.  The two MUST be united, and soon!21:59
lawat some point all I can do is step back, wait for the inevitable, and approach with a mop and a broom saying "Now, did that work out the way you expected?"22:00
Sam-I-Amoh, consulting. how much fun.22:00
lawwhen it rains, it pours.  when it's not feasting, it's famine though22:00
Sam-I-Ami lasted about 3 months in one of those roles.22:00
lawI've had 'regular' gigs where the CxO was a tough sell on security22:01
Sam-I-Ammostly because it was very easy to blame everything on the consultant, even stuff that was clearly unrelated.22:01
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Sam-I-Amor i'd walk into jobs where the customer said they did X and Y, only to find X and Y werent done, or they ordered the wrong equipment, etc.22:01
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Sam-I-Am"well, we didnt have the cash for what you recommended as our edge router, so we bought this linksys at best buy"22:02
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lawyeah, I'm cleaning up for one of those guys :-)22:04
lawso I've got *some* cachet - we got some ASA firewalls, some Cisco switches, support for same22:05
lawall this multicast, they had NO PIM or IGMP, so all VLANs were being HAMMERED with dozens of multicast streams22:05
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lawmade the case to pay for an ipservices license for the Cisco stuff, enabled PIM/IGMP, and things got much better very quickly22:06
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Sam-I-Amnice22:07
lawnow they're paying through the nose for hosted openstack.  the service is 'meh', and support tends to screw things up about as much as they fix it.  our contract renewal is up in June, and according to the COO they are literally tripling their price and halving our core-count22:07
lawso now it's "holyshitgetvanillaopenstackNOWNOWNOW"22:08
lawI'm trying to make the case that we should've started this dance back in January22:08
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Sam-I-Amhosted openstack?22:08
lawas it is, I thought I had the whole of May to get one datacenter cut over as a template, get the bugs ironed out, then push it to our main DC in June22:08
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lawthat... went to hell in a handbasket yesterday, and suddenly it was "we have to have both DCs cut over by June, and why in the world isn't the first datacenter cut over ALREADY?!?!"22:09
lawtotal lack of project planning, projection, etc.  I try to make recommendations as best I can, but about half of them are listened to and the other half are ignored22:09
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lawhosted openstack - they pay for a company to provide them a shiny Ubuntu package that installs and connects to a 'cloud based' controller clusters 'elsewhere'.  the company manages updates, provides support, etc22:10
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Sam-I-Amah22:11
lawit's an intense environment, but when it clicks its quite rewarding22:11
Sam-I-Amconsulting... yay22:12
lawand,y'know, trial-by-fire in leveling up openstack expertise22:12
Sam-I-Amwell, the install guide's arch isnt really production-ready22:12
Sam-I-Ami'd probably take a look at something like openstack-ansible22:12
lawyeah, I'm learning that now :-)22:12
Sam-I-Amsome deployment tool that covers a lot of the security/ha bits for you22:12
Sam-I-Ambut... the install guide is where you learn how openstack works. deployment tools are cool, but when they break, it still comes down to understanding openstack22:13
lawyup22:13
Sam-I-Amplenty of people go for the deployment tools first, and 6 months later come in here when their prod environment craps out and they cant figure out why22:13
Sam-I-Amand i get questions like 'whats a token'22:13
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lawheh, been there, done that, got the t-shirt22:15
law(on both sides)22:15
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lawI'm a huge fan of automation, but I have an inherent distrust of using 'other' modules - I find I tend to not learn the thing its automating as thoroughly as I'd like22:16
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Sam-I-Amif you understand the underlying components, openstack-ansible is pretty slick22:17
Sam-I-Amcomponents being things like haproxy, galera, etc22:17
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AndyWojoI'd love to go an openstack con22:56
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