Thursday, 2016-05-19

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kazerSam-I-Am: looks like my issue was caused by clustering issues in rabbitmq. thanks for the pointer!00:19
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Egyptian[Home]hi - i am using rdo and i am trying to deploy the overcloud, and i can see my 2 physical machines power up and get to the linux prompt then it reboots and then it goes into a dhcp loop and then /httpboot/pxelinux.cfg is suddenly empty. any ideas on what is going  on?01:24
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manjaro-kde5How to start contributing07:16
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coolsvapmanjaro-kde5, refer https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute07:18
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keveinhttps://redhat.bluejeans.com/7566912932/?success=true&src=meet_now09:42
keveingss_china ^^^09:42
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rmart04Hi, Has anyone found when running ‘refstack’ that the hard reboot instance test usually fails on the second boot, as there has not been enough time for the OS to write the cloud-init pubkey data to disk before it gets a hard reset? This seems like an OpSys limitation and as such is a bit unfair? I can reproduce this manually, running a ‘sync’ is enough to persist the pub key data…10:18
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sanjay i am using Mitaka for 3 node setup, i am adding networking services. Neutron server and ml2 plugin I have installed on Controller node and L3 agant, openvswitch agent and DHCP agent on network node...but during this command  "su -s /bin/sh -c "neutron-db-manage --config-file /etc/neutron/neutron.conf --config-file /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini upgrade head" neutron  I am finding error: Sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (sql11:11
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gahanHi, what is the general approach for keeping openstack backed up - configuration and instances? I was thinking about using 'freezer' as seperate Storage node... any ideas?11:18
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sanjay  i am using Mitaka for 3 node setup, i am adding networking services. Neutron server and ml2 plugin I have installed on Controller node and L3 agant, openvswitch agent and DHCP agent on network node...but during this command  "su -s /bin/sh -c "neutron-db-manage --config-file /etc/neutron/neutron.conf --config-file /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini upgrade head" neutron  I am finding error: Sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (sq11:32
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mat128sanjay: that last part would be useful :) Please use paste.openstack.org11:35
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SAshishHi Guys12:17
jtp92Morning everyone, anyone have experience using the VMware driver for Nova?12:17
SAshishneed few pointers with tempest12:17
SAshishyou can login to nova channel to get information related to that12:18
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SAshishanyone familiar with writing tempest plugin?12:19
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jtp92@SAshish thanks12:19
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SAshishGuys, do we have any channel for tempest?12:23
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SAshish need few pointers with tempest12:30
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TMMHi all! I have a strange problem: On a tenant network, when someone sends a fragmented multicast packet the packet only arrives on one instance, if multiple instances are on the same hypervisor. Meaning each hypervisor only delivers a fragemented multicast packet to one qbr device. This problem goes away when I disable iptables on linux bridges.12:39
TMMHas anyone seen this before, and if so, does anyone have a way of making this work?12:40
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TMMwhat seems to happen is that linux reassembles the multicast packet, but the doesn't treat it as multicast any longer12:41
TMMwhen the multicast packet is not fragmented the packet makes it to all instances, even with iptables enabled on the bridges12:41
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CrtxReavrDoes the re-assembled packet continue to look like a multicast packet?  Multicast IPs & MAC addresses?12:55
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CrtxReavraB:aa:aa:aa:aa:aa < is B even or odd?12:56
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wasmumkeystone, for identity - ldap, assignment - mysql.  Looking at multiple product in the OSS realm for a cloud management platform.  Looked at ManageIQ and now starting to kick the tires on scalr.  What are you all using if anything outside of horizon and maybe murano as an app catalog?  Have you seen any CMP that will do SSO o at least try and match creds from CMP to what openstack is seeing via keystone?  Or am I thinking13:42
wasmum this incorrectly - should my projects and users be managed via a CMP (i hope that answer is no)... thanks all input welcome!13:42
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rbkinghello13:45
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rbkingwe have tested instance in openstack13:46
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rbkingis there nay performance tunning required in term of networking or system resources?13:48
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CrtxReavrPerformance & OpenStack cannot coexist.13:49
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yankcrimerbking:  the performance tuning you'll want to do depend on the technology you've selected for your hypervisor and for your sdn, as well as standard operating system tuning13:56
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yankcrimeyou're not really tuning 'openstack' per se13:56
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rbkingok14:34
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rbkingI have some issues on the setup14:34
rbkingI have three instances14:34
rbkingtwo of them running on the same compute node14:34
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rbkingthe remain one is on the other node14:35
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rbkingwhen using iperf3 utility to test the bandwidth between instances. I found that the bandwidth between the instances on the same node can reach 15GB/s14:36
rbkingbut we only got 1.5GB/s for the instances that are located in different compute nodes.14:36
rbkingany idea?14:36
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Sam-I-Amif its a 10 gig network, you probably want to use jumbo frames14:37
Sam-I-Amalso there's a difference between B and b14:37
rbkingcan solve the issues that we faced?14:37
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Sam-I-Amif you're using mitaka, you can implement jumbo frames on instances (assuming your hardware supports them)14:38
Sam-I-Amhttp://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/networking-guide/adv-config-mtu.html14:38
rbkingsorry, should be 1.25 Gbits/sec  vs 11.5 Gbits/sec14:38
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rbkingI am using RHEL OSP14:39
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Sam-I-Amoh, thats probably not mitaka14:39
Sam-I-Amwhen you use a product, you're sort of stuck with whatever they do14:39
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Sam-I-Amdoesn't that have support from redhat?14:40
georgem1rbking: do the same test between the two compute nodes to see what you get14:40
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jidarrbking: there is support for jumbo frames on OSP7/814:47
jidarit's part of their director deployment guide, you have to build the nic templates to include it14:47
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rbkinggeorgem1: good idea14:49
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rbkingrunning on the compute node vs compute node, the bandwidth is 8.80 Gbits/sec14:59
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rbkingwill number of network configured in openstach affect the bandwidth?14:59
rbkingI have around 10 VXLANs configured14:59
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georgem1rbking: only if there is traffic going over those vxlans, because they all share the same physical link15:02
georgem1rbking: I would lower a little bit the mtu inside the test instances and try iperf again15:03
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TMMCrtxReavr, sorry, I had a meeting. I will look into that now15:05
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rbkingum...15:06
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gahanI'm using autopilot openstack liberty on trusty. I just tried to use 'Add hardware' but the machine would not boot after a reboot and now it's hanging 'Add Juju machine for 'CL02-03.maas' - how do I cancel this activity without deleting the whole region?15:55
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kazerhi there17:00
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kazerSam-I-Am: are you around?17:00
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Sam-I-Amkazer: moo17:02
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new_os_guyHello all. I was wondering if anyone knew how to force an instance to run on a second compute machine? I have a cluster with a VM on one compute set up correctly, but do not know how to ensure that a second VM will be created on the second compute machine.17:05
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Sam-I-Amnew_os_guy: by default, the number of instances should mostly balance out17:06
Sam-I-Amyou can adjust how it works by making a scheduler filter17:06
new_os_guyokay, so if I create a new one through horizon, the new VM should be running on the other compute?17:06
Sam-I-Amshould, yes17:06
new_os_guyokay. Is there any way to confirm this?17:07
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Sam-I-Amnot as a regular user, but as an admin you can17:07
Sam-I-Amregular users shouldnt see the underlying infra17:07
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new_os_guyand if I hypothetically had multiple VMs on one hypervisor, then added a new compute machine, does openstack support some sort of automatic load balancing where it will transfer a VM over? Or perhaps is there a way for me as an administrator todo so?17:08
Sam-I-Amit will not move vms17:08
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new_os_guyand does not support a way to do so manually?17:08
Sam-I-Amyou can move them manually17:09
new_os_guyis there a place where the images are stored which can be manually moved?17:09
new_os_guyah17:09
new_os_guywhat is this godly method?17:09
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nathwillnew_os_guy: servergroups with scheduler_hints can set anti-affinity or affinity policies17:11
Sam-I-Am'openstack server migrate'17:11
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Sam-I-Amyeah, more scheduler stuff17:11
nathwillfor when the instances are first created17:11
new_os_guyright-o, thanks a bunch!17:11
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new_os_guywhat happens if one of the compute machines go down, but the rest of the cluster stays up...where there be database issues with the controller node in any way?17:15
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Sam-I-Amno, but the vms on the compute node will stop working17:16
Sam-I-Amunless you launch them somewhere else17:16
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kazerSam-I-Am: moo!17:17
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kazerSam-I-Am: could you please help me understand each step of the vif plugging part? i still have issues with the notification timing out, and the doc is quite sparse. i'm trying to understand where it gets lost17:18
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Sam-I-Amkazer: nova waits for neutron to confirm that all the network bits are ready (the vif) before actually booting the vm17:18
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kazerSam-I-Am: yep. i do see the request in the neutron-server log, but i do not know how to track if it made its way back17:20
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Sam-I-Amanything in the nova logs?17:22
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haukebrunorbking, I heared about OVS as a possible bandwidth limitation. we also have max 1.25gbps cross-instance (while having 50+gbps cross-kvm)17:24
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jidarwe've seen performance issues like that on OVS17:39
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jidaracross multiple platforms (OSP and Fuel)17:39
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haukebrunojidar, did you try linuxbridge?17:45
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kazerSam-I-Am: here's some logs : https://gist.github.com/pgrandin/d878eb62d18fc7b745f1866ee196ca7c18:26
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kazerfrom what i see, the network-vif-plugged is indeed triggered, but i don't know where to track the request after that18:26
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kazerSam-I-Am: this seems to be problematic only when we use more than one management node, according to our CI18:28
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kazerin nova-api logs, i do see the vif plugged event : Creating event network-vif-plugged:63351c5d-de90-4434-ad85-1cd6cc9e7058 for instance d99d7bd3-9f44-4160-bd92-bff83ed9682918:30
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Sam-I-Amis there some problem where the components on multiple controller nodes arent actually talking to each other?18:31
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kazerSam-I-Am: well i double checked, on all 3 nodes (this is a CI setup) we do have the rabbitmq_hosts configured to use both rabbitmq nodes18:34
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Sam-I-Amany database issues? is this load balancing the api only?18:35
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kazerboth nodes are in the rabbitmq cluster..18:35
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Sam-I-Amhave you tried it with 1 rabbit node?18:35
kazerlet me check the DB connection18:35
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kazeri have tried with only one rabbitmq node active (but two in the config)18:36
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kazerSam-I-Am: i see no evidence of db connection issue. would you consider this a nova or neutron issue at this time ?18:42
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Sam-I-Ami dont know18:43
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Sam-I-Amdoes this happen with all instances, or just some?18:44
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kazerprobably 95% of the instances18:45
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georgem1kazer: the openvswitch-agent gets the request to create the port, but the reply never gets back to the compute node18:46
TMMCrtxReavr, hi, thanks for looking with me. the target mac address (according to tcpdump) is 01:00:5e:5e:01:01 on the incoming external link, the qbr (of the instance it does arrive on) and inside the instance it arrives on18:46
TMMCrtxReavr, looks like it's still a multicast packet18:47
georgem1kazer: I would check your rabbitmq messages in the queue, there shouldn't be any18:47
georgem1kazer: http://abregman.com/2016/01/06/openstack-neutron-troubleshooting-and-solving-common-problems/18:47
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TMMCrtxReavr, it's also still being sent to a multicast ip18:47
kazerthanks georgem1. i checked the queue, i only have messages in the notifications.info queue. all other queues are empty18:48
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TMMCrtxReavr, I wonder if my hypervisor wants to be part of the multicast group or something?18:49
georgem1kazer: increase the logging level to debug, restart the services and try again, hopefully there will be a hint in there18:49
kazeri tried that yesterday without luck, but will try again18:50
TMMCrtxReavr, no, that's dumb, sorry :)18:50
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TForemanI have a question about using the novaclient api and passing in datetime objects to novaclient.usage.get()18:57
TForemanis this the right channel?18:57
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georgem1kazer: I hope you are using ha queues19:02
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georgem1kazer: I would leave just one rabbitmq up (mn01a), just to isolate the problem, and try again19:04
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kazergeorgem1: i am using ha_queues yes. going to double check if everything is fine on this end tho19:05
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kazeri switched the compute node neutron to debug mode, i haven't found anything relevant in OVS logs yet. digging19:08
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TMMCrtxReavr, my theory right now is that by reassembling the packet linux kind of deduplicates it?19:39
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kazergeorgem1: i tried with stopping one rabbitmq node, same result19:50
kazeri can't find any relevant status code 4xx or 5xx in the logs19:50
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georgem1kazer: with just one rabbitmq node, do you see the openvswitch-agent receiving the request to create the port?19:53
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georgem1kazer: you could watch for any queues without consumers: rabbitmqctl list_queues name consumers| awk '{if ($2 <1) print $1, $2}'20:01
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kazergeorgem1: just found this in the logs too : 016-05-19 12:58:23.775 19752 WARNING neutron.plugins.ml2.rpc [req-f35ada5d-eb48-44fa-8ac4-172e550f4339 None] Device 4f50158d-d62e-4d3b-8b46-c30e56b11b6c requested by agent ovs1eddd29b1c46 not found in database20:04
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kazergeorgem1: ovs agent on the network node or the compute node ?20:04
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georgem1kazer: on the compute node20:06
CrtxReavrTMM, do you have a way to sniff at multiple locations?20:07
kazergeorgem1: 2016-05-19 13:07:00.232 29993 INFO neutron.plugins.openvswitch.agent.ovs_neutron_agent [-] Configuration for device fede6dbd-05f6-46e4-83c7-6a8f6fb3b466 completed.20:07
CrtxReavrLike from the target instance and maybe a span port on the physical switch?20:07
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rbkingthe bandwidtth of two instances running on the same node can achieve 10Gb/s, and only 1 Gb/s on different node, what is the main different?20:07
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rbkingI checked the VxLAN MTU setting is 145020:08
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TMMCrtxReavr, I don't currently have access to a span port, I can maybe get one though. It's all on lacp too though, so it may be a tad painful20:09
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CrtxReavrTMM, are the multicast packets TCP or UDP?20:38
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TMMCrtxReavr, udp20:40
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* Sam-I-Am ponders what multicast tcp is20:40
TMMI don't really see how that would work either, but I guess there's nothing stopping you from sending tcp packets to a multicast mac address20:40
TMM/ip address20:41
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Sam-I-Amwell, you can manufacture any packet you want :)20:41
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TMMmaybe I should hack in a setting into neutron ports to disable security groups altogether for individual ports20:43
TMMthen in openvswitch-agent disable iptables for those bridges20:43
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TMMmaybe add it to the port_security extension20:46
Sam-I-Amrbking: using vxlan isnt going to help performance20:47
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Sam-I-Amif you need speed, use vlan, or buy nics that can offload vxlan/gre20:47
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TMMCrtxReavr, any ideas? :)20:51
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Sam-I-AmTMM: so, being lazy and not looking at scrollback, whats not working?20:52
TMMnvm, I fixed it20:53
TMMovs-vsctl set bridge br-int mcast_snooping_enable=true20:53
TMMthen fragmented multicast packets make it over the links20:54
TMMquestion is now how I can get neutron to do this for me for reboots20:54
TMMI really don't want to stick this in rc.local20:54
TMMweeellll20:55
TMMit kinda works20:55
Sam-I-Amwhy are they fragmented?20:55
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TMMnvm, it doesn't work20:55
TMMthey are fragmented because the sender just sends udp datagrams of around 4KB20:55
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Sam-I-Amwould a larger mtu work?20:58
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TMMI suppose it could21:01
kazerSam-I-Am: do you know what AMQP queue is used for the nova/neutron communication?21:01
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Sam-I-Amkazer: i'm trying to remember if it even uses rabbit21:03
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kazermmm..21:04
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Sam-I-Amkazer: are the network bits actually getting created?21:06
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TMMit's not so surprising that enabling igmp snooping on the br-int doesn't really help, as the problem isn't ovs at all21:07
TMMthe packets arrive on all ports just fine21:07
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kazerSam-I-Am: yeah, the port is created indeed. i see it using neutron port-list21:07
Sam-I-Amkazer: have you tried disabling the vif plug check and see if the vm actually works?21:07
Sam-I-AmTMM: where do you think the problem is?21:08
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kazeryes, if i set timeout to 0 and fatal to false, the vm boots fast and has network21:08
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Sam-I-Amok, so its just the verify mechanism21:08
Sam-I-Amwhat ver of openstack is this?21:08
kazericehouse21:08
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TMMSam-I-Am, ovs sends the packets to the veth pair, and they then enter iptables. If the packet is fragmented nf_conntrack will then defragment them before processing. It seems that at this point the packets also get deduplicated21:10
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Sam-I-Amkazer: oh dear21:10
Sam-I-Amkazer: that could be entirely broken that far back21:10
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kazerSam-I-Am: haha yeah.. upgrade is planned for this summer..21:11
kazerit works on our prod cluster.. and it uses to work on the ci too..21:11
Sam-I-Ammight be some sort of race condition21:12
Sam-I-Ameither way, with a version that old you won't get a dev to dig into it with a bug report21:12
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kazeryeah :)21:12
Sam-I-Amso, if it consistently works without the vif plug check, i'd just disable it21:12
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kazerok going to do that and test extensively. thanks Sam-I-Am !21:13
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Sam-I-Ami seem to recall the vif plug check being disabled in the gate jobs for quite a while after it first came out... which i think was icehouse21:14
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kazerbecause it was not mature enough and causing issues?21:15
Sam-I-Amyeah21:15
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kazerseems to match what i see. thanks Sam-I-Am21:17
kazerodd that we dont have the issue in prod.. i'll have to dig21:17
Sam-I-Amdifferent hw? more/less nodes or services?21:18
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kazerhardware is slightly different, but hardware in our ci did not change21:27
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kazerSam-I-Am: CI tests are passing now. it's kind of a dirty workaround, but i guess it'll be ok until the upgrade. thanks!21:41
Sam-I-Amshould be used to those by now:)21:41
kazerhaha :D21:42
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CrtxReavrTMM, well. . . i might be inclined to check & rechck that LACP connection. . . .22:02
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CrtxReavrI'm just wondering of it's a packet loss issue.22:02
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TMMCrtxReavr, it's really not, it's consistent across my entire cluster of 30 hypervisors22:03
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TMMCrtxReavr, and, disabling iptables for bridges solves the problem22:03
CrtxReavriptables is a steaming pile anyways. . . leave it off.22:03
CrtxReavrDone & done.22:03
CrtxReavrActually. . .22:04
TMMhow do I use security groups then?22:04
CrtxReavrA lot of DOSes have involved fragmented UDP. . .22:04
CrtxReavrI'm wondering if that's some kind of default drop.22:04
TMMif I can somehow have security groups without having iptables enabled on the linux bridges I'm fine too22:05
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Sam-I-AmTMM: secgroups are iptables22:08
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TMMSam-I-Am, i know, but perhaps there was another implementation, a guy can dream22:08
Sam-I-Ami'd try to avoid fragmentation22:09
TMMyeah, well, tell that to my developers22:09
Sam-I-Amso using jumbo frames wouldnt fix it?22:09
Sam-I-Amis your network jumbo now?22:09
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TMMyeah, I guess the shortest way to fix this is to have 8900 mtu on my overlay networks22:10
TMMI could, the physical network is jumbo already22:10
TMMbut this of course won't really help if they decide to send even larger packets22:10
Sam-I-Amwell, they cant send packets that are too insanely large22:10
Sam-I-Amdo you need overlay-type networks, or can you get by with vlan?22:11
TMMI don't know what the maximum write()/sendmsg() size is after which linux tells you to fuck off22:11
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TMMI really need overlay22:11
TMMif I start doing vlan l3 dvr will blow up22:11
TMMalso, I just don't want to deal with that22:12
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Sam-I-Amwhy do you need dvr?22:13
TMMI think I have two options now, well 3 if you could 'fuck off' as an option, a) I increase the mtu of the tenant networks to something approximating 9000 and hope for the best or b) implement a switch for individual networks to disable iptables entirely on those bridges in neutron22:13
TMMI need dvr because I don't want dedicated networking nodes with all the ha headaches that brings22:13
Sam-I-Amwhy do you need routing?22:13
Sam-I-Amwell, "routing"22:13
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TMMhow else am I going to get l3 connectivity between different systems?22:14
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TMMor even provide a default gateway for tenant networks22:14
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Sam-I-Amjust use provider nets22:15
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Sam-I-Amquestion is, how much of your env needs to be self-service networking?22:16
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TMMSam-I-Am, I could do that with liberty now I suppose, but if iptables gets involved at all at any point I think I'll still have the problem. OVS isn't causing any trouble in this setup, in fact if I enable igmp snooping on br-int it reduces load quite a bit22:23
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Sam-I-Amso, before you got into this cloud thing, what did firewalling for your hosts/vms?22:24
TMMnothing did, really22:25
TMMwe encouraged users to implement iptables rules22:25
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TMMand the networking team was manually providing vlans for l2 isolation22:26
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Sam-I-Amhmm22:26
Sam-I-Amso whats the goal with cloud stuffs?22:26
TMMI've offered the two solutions I've found, I've asked the users what they would prefer22:26
Sam-I-Amis it just glorified vmware?22:27
TMMno22:27
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TMMwe have a giant pile of separate 'product units' in our company that all act pretty much entirely independently of each other22:27
TMMand they want to go more and more independent22:27
Sam-I-Amok22:28
TMMso we've moved into a position of just providing infrastructure, we tried using cloudstack for that and it kinda sorta worked, but we still had to make vlans manually22:28
TMMso I said fuck it, and just put everyone on a giant l2 network and provided tentant networks22:28
Sam-I-Amso you want these groups to make their own networks22:28
TMMand told them to sort it out with security groups or overlay networks and stop bothering me22:28
TMM:P22:28
TMMit has actually worked out pretty well, except for this issue22:28
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Sam-I-Amif this is an iptables problem, how come it hasnt affected host-based firewalls prior to using openstack?22:29
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Sam-I-Amdid the mtu shrink when you went to openstack?22:29
TMMno22:29
TMMmulticast packets, fragmented or not, only had to be delivered to 1 interface previously22:30
TMMnow iptables is on the hypervisors and it needs to be delivered to multiple interfaces22:30
TMMthe packets were always fragmented, and I imagine iptables has always done this22:30
TMMbut if you only have 1 recipient it doesn't matter22:30
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TMM(one recipient per iptables instance)22:30
TMMthis probably would likely also go away if neutron would implement security groups by placing every instance in a network namespace22:31
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Sam-I-Ameach instance should have iptables implemented on a unique bridge22:32
Sam-I-Amsame iptables, though22:32
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TMMI think the problem is primarily 'same nf_defrag_ipv4'22:32
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TMMif neutron could do stateless security groups with ebtables we'd be fine too22:33
TMMgiven the current feature set of security groups that would be totally feasible too22:33
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Sam-I-Amlooks like you have two options - try increasing the mtu everywhere or tell your groups to manage host-based firewalls if necessary22:35
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Sam-I-Amalso, if you can, try reproducing this outside of openstack22:35
Sam-I-Amit doesnt seem openstack-only22:35
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TMMit's not22:36
TMMthis is purely linux bridging + iptables + nf_defrag_ipv4 + multicast22:36
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TMMI've reproduced it without openstack with some network namespaces and bridges too22:37
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Sam-I-Amare there any switches for nf_defrag_ipv4 ?22:39
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TMMno22:41
TMMif you have conntrack, you will have defrag22:41
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Sam-I-Amsort of makes sense as conntrack needs to see the whole picture22:42
TMMI'm not sure why defrag also deduplicates but it may just think that since the exact same packet comes in multiple times, with the exact same sequence number that it just assumes there was a duplicate transmission22:42
TMMwhich is entirely reasonable22:42
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TMMI'm not even really sure how it'd work to not do that22:43
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TMMI'm not sure if an ip/udp stack is supposed to expose the application to duplicates or not22:43
TMMand, I'm also not sure how reassembly of 2 identical packets would work22:43
TMMit has to stuff it in some kind of hash table22:44
TMMand all fragments and bits would hash to the same bucket22:44
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Sam-I-Amsounds about right22:45
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Sam-I-Ami'd be curious if this works with ovn22:46
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TMMovn?22:47
Sam-I-Amyeah, the next generation of ovs in neutron22:48
Sam-I-Ameverything is implemented in ovs22:48
Sam-I-Amincluding secgroups22:48
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TMMthat would probably solve this22:52
TMMis this available in liberty?22:52
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Sam-I-Amno, its under development22:52
TMMbleh22:52
Sam-I-Ambut you could try it22:52
TMMbut yeah, that'd be pretty much perfect :)22:52
Sam-I-Ami think i made the instructions clear enough to do a test deployment (in devstack, but whatev)22:53
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TMMI can give it a go23:11
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TMMIn the meantime I'm just going to hope they can constrain their packet sizes to < 8k :P23:13
Sam-I-Amheh23:13
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campeeanyone around?23:59
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