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kazer | Sam-I-Am: looks like my issue was caused by clustering issues in rabbitmq. thanks for the pointer! | 00:19 |
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Egyptian[Home] | hi - i am using rdo and i am trying to deploy the overcloud, and i can see my 2 physical machines power up and get to the linux prompt then it reboots and then it goes into a dhcp loop and then /httpboot/pxelinux.cfg is suddenly empty. any ideas on what is going on? | 01:24 |
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manjaro-kde5 | How to start contributing | 07:16 |
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coolsvap | manjaro-kde5, refer https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute | 07:18 |
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manjaro-kde5 | Thank you | 07:36 |
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kevein | https://redhat.bluejeans.com/7566912932/?success=true&src=meet_now | 09:42 |
kevein | gss_china ^^^ | 09:42 |
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rmart04 | Hi, Has anyone found when running ‘refstack’ that the hard reboot instance test usually fails on the second boot, as there has not been enough time for the OS to write the cloud-init pubkey data to disk before it gets a hard reset? This seems like an OpSys limitation and as such is a bit unfair? I can reproduce this manually, running a ‘sync’ is enough to persist the pub key data… | 10:18 |
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sanjay | i am using Mitaka for 3 node setup, i am adding networking services. Neutron server and ml2 plugin I have installed on Controller node and L3 agant, openvswitch agent and DHCP agent on network node...but during this command "su -s /bin/sh -c "neutron-db-manage --config-file /etc/neutron/neutron.conf --config-file /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini upgrade head" neutron I am finding error: Sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (sql | 11:11 |
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gahan | Hi, what is the general approach for keeping openstack backed up - configuration and instances? I was thinking about using 'freezer' as seperate Storage node... any ideas? | 11:18 |
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sanjay | i am using Mitaka for 3 node setup, i am adding networking services. Neutron server and ml2 plugin I have installed on Controller node and L3 agant, openvswitch agent and DHCP agent on network node...but during this command "su -s /bin/sh -c "neutron-db-manage --config-file /etc/neutron/neutron.conf --config-file /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini upgrade head" neutron I am finding error: Sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (sq | 11:32 |
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mat128 | sanjay: that last part would be useful :) Please use paste.openstack.org | 11:35 |
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fouad | hello | 12:14 |
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SAshish | Hi Guys | 12:17 |
jtp92 | Morning everyone, anyone have experience using the VMware driver for Nova? | 12:17 |
SAshish | need few pointers with tempest | 12:17 |
SAshish | you can login to nova channel to get information related to that | 12:18 |
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SAshish | anyone familiar with writing tempest plugin? | 12:19 |
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jtp92 | @SAshish thanks | 12:19 |
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SAshish | Guys, do we have any channel for tempest? | 12:23 |
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TMM | Hi all! I have a strange problem: On a tenant network, when someone sends a fragmented multicast packet the packet only arrives on one instance, if multiple instances are on the same hypervisor. Meaning each hypervisor only delivers a fragemented multicast packet to one qbr device. This problem goes away when I disable iptables on linux bridges. | 12:39 |
TMM | Has anyone seen this before, and if so, does anyone have a way of making this work? | 12:40 |
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TMM | what seems to happen is that linux reassembles the multicast packet, but the doesn't treat it as multicast any longer | 12:41 |
TMM | when the multicast packet is not fragmented the packet makes it to all instances, even with iptables enabled on the bridges | 12:41 |
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CrtxReavr | Does the re-assembled packet continue to look like a multicast packet? Multicast IPs & MAC addresses? | 12:55 |
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CrtxReavr | aB:aa:aa:aa:aa:aa < is B even or odd? | 12:56 |
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wasmum | keystone, for identity - ldap, assignment - mysql. Looking at multiple product in the OSS realm for a cloud management platform. Looked at ManageIQ and now starting to kick the tires on scalr. What are you all using if anything outside of horizon and maybe murano as an app catalog? Have you seen any CMP that will do SSO o at least try and match creds from CMP to what openstack is seeing via keystone? Or am I thinking | 13:42 |
wasmum | this incorrectly - should my projects and users be managed via a CMP (i hope that answer is no)... thanks all input welcome! | 13:42 |
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rbking | hello | 13:45 |
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rbking | we have tested instance in openstack | 13:46 |
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rbking | is there nay performance tunning required in term of networking or system resources? | 13:48 |
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CrtxReavr | Performance & OpenStack cannot coexist. | 13:49 |
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yankcrime | rbking: the performance tuning you'll want to do depend on the technology you've selected for your hypervisor and for your sdn, as well as standard operating system tuning | 13:56 |
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yankcrime | you're not really tuning 'openstack' per se | 13:56 |
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rbking | ok | 14:34 |
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rbking | I have some issues on the setup | 14:34 |
rbking | I have three instances | 14:34 |
rbking | two of them running on the same compute node | 14:34 |
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rbking | the remain one is on the other node | 14:35 |
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rbking | when using iperf3 utility to test the bandwidth between instances. I found that the bandwidth between the instances on the same node can reach 15GB/s | 14:36 |
rbking | but we only got 1.5GB/s for the instances that are located in different compute nodes. | 14:36 |
rbking | any idea? | 14:36 |
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Sam-I-Am | if its a 10 gig network, you probably want to use jumbo frames | 14:37 |
Sam-I-Am | also there's a difference between B and b | 14:37 |
rbking | can solve the issues that we faced? | 14:37 |
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Sam-I-Am | if you're using mitaka, you can implement jumbo frames on instances (assuming your hardware supports them) | 14:38 |
Sam-I-Am | http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/networking-guide/adv-config-mtu.html | 14:38 |
rbking | sorry, should be 1.25 Gbits/sec vs 11.5 Gbits/sec | 14:38 |
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rbking | I am using RHEL OSP | 14:39 |
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Sam-I-Am | oh, thats probably not mitaka | 14:39 |
Sam-I-Am | when you use a product, you're sort of stuck with whatever they do | 14:39 |
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Sam-I-Am | doesn't that have support from redhat? | 14:40 |
georgem1 | rbking: do the same test between the two compute nodes to see what you get | 14:40 |
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jidar | rbking: there is support for jumbo frames on OSP7/8 | 14:47 |
jidar | it's part of their director deployment guide, you have to build the nic templates to include it | 14:47 |
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rbking | georgem1: good idea | 14:49 |
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rbking | running on the compute node vs compute node, the bandwidth is 8.80 Gbits/sec | 14:59 |
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rbking | will number of network configured in openstach affect the bandwidth? | 14:59 |
rbking | I have around 10 VXLANs configured | 14:59 |
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georgem1 | rbking: only if there is traffic going over those vxlans, because they all share the same physical link | 15:02 |
georgem1 | rbking: I would lower a little bit the mtu inside the test instances and try iperf again | 15:03 |
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TMM | CrtxReavr, sorry, I had a meeting. I will look into that now | 15:05 |
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rbking | um... | 15:06 |
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gahan | I'm using autopilot openstack liberty on trusty. I just tried to use 'Add hardware' but the machine would not boot after a reboot and now it's hanging 'Add Juju machine for 'CL02-03.maas' - how do I cancel this activity without deleting the whole region? | 15:55 |
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kazer | hi there | 17:00 |
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kazer | Sam-I-Am: are you around? | 17:00 |
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Sam-I-Am | kazer: moo | 17:02 |
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new_os_guy | Hello all. I was wondering if anyone knew how to force an instance to run on a second compute machine? I have a cluster with a VM on one compute set up correctly, but do not know how to ensure that a second VM will be created on the second compute machine. | 17:05 |
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Sam-I-Am | new_os_guy: by default, the number of instances should mostly balance out | 17:06 |
Sam-I-Am | you can adjust how it works by making a scheduler filter | 17:06 |
new_os_guy | okay, so if I create a new one through horizon, the new VM should be running on the other compute? | 17:06 |
Sam-I-Am | should, yes | 17:06 |
new_os_guy | okay. Is there any way to confirm this? | 17:07 |
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Sam-I-Am | not as a regular user, but as an admin you can | 17:07 |
Sam-I-Am | regular users shouldnt see the underlying infra | 17:07 |
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new_os_guy | and if I hypothetically had multiple VMs on one hypervisor, then added a new compute machine, does openstack support some sort of automatic load balancing where it will transfer a VM over? Or perhaps is there a way for me as an administrator todo so? | 17:08 |
Sam-I-Am | it will not move vms | 17:08 |
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new_os_guy | and does not support a way to do so manually? | 17:08 |
Sam-I-Am | you can move them manually | 17:09 |
new_os_guy | is there a place where the images are stored which can be manually moved? | 17:09 |
new_os_guy | ah | 17:09 |
new_os_guy | what is this godly method? | 17:09 |
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nathwill | new_os_guy: servergroups with scheduler_hints can set anti-affinity or affinity policies | 17:11 |
Sam-I-Am | 'openstack server migrate' | 17:11 |
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Sam-I-Am | yeah, more scheduler stuff | 17:11 |
nathwill | for when the instances are first created | 17:11 |
new_os_guy | right-o, thanks a bunch! | 17:11 |
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new_os_guy | what happens if one of the compute machines go down, but the rest of the cluster stays up...where there be database issues with the controller node in any way? | 17:15 |
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Sam-I-Am | no, but the vms on the compute node will stop working | 17:16 |
Sam-I-Am | unless you launch them somewhere else | 17:16 |
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kazer | Sam-I-Am: moo! | 17:17 |
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kazer | Sam-I-Am: could you please help me understand each step of the vif plugging part? i still have issues with the notification timing out, and the doc is quite sparse. i'm trying to understand where it gets lost | 17:18 |
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Sam-I-Am | kazer: nova waits for neutron to confirm that all the network bits are ready (the vif) before actually booting the vm | 17:18 |
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kazer | Sam-I-Am: yep. i do see the request in the neutron-server log, but i do not know how to track if it made its way back | 17:20 |
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Sam-I-Am | anything in the nova logs? | 17:22 |
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haukebruno | rbking, I heared about OVS as a possible bandwidth limitation. we also have max 1.25gbps cross-instance (while having 50+gbps cross-kvm) | 17:24 |
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jidar | we've seen performance issues like that on OVS | 17:39 |
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jidar | across multiple platforms (OSP and Fuel) | 17:39 |
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haukebruno | jidar, did you try linuxbridge? | 17:45 |
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kazer | Sam-I-Am: here's some logs : https://gist.github.com/pgrandin/d878eb62d18fc7b745f1866ee196ca7c | 18:26 |
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kazer | from what i see, the network-vif-plugged is indeed triggered, but i don't know where to track the request after that | 18:26 |
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kazer | Sam-I-Am: this seems to be problematic only when we use more than one management node, according to our CI | 18:28 |
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kazer | in nova-api logs, i do see the vif plugged event : Creating event network-vif-plugged:63351c5d-de90-4434-ad85-1cd6cc9e7058 for instance d99d7bd3-9f44-4160-bd92-bff83ed96829 | 18:30 |
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Sam-I-Am | is there some problem where the components on multiple controller nodes arent actually talking to each other? | 18:31 |
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kazer | Sam-I-Am: well i double checked, on all 3 nodes (this is a CI setup) we do have the rabbitmq_hosts configured to use both rabbitmq nodes | 18:34 |
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Sam-I-Am | any database issues? is this load balancing the api only? | 18:35 |
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kazer | both nodes are in the rabbitmq cluster.. | 18:35 |
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Sam-I-Am | have you tried it with 1 rabbit node? | 18:35 |
kazer | let me check the DB connection | 18:35 |
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kazer | i have tried with only one rabbitmq node active (but two in the config) | 18:36 |
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kazer | Sam-I-Am: i see no evidence of db connection issue. would you consider this a nova or neutron issue at this time ? | 18:42 |
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Sam-I-Am | i dont know | 18:43 |
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Sam-I-Am | does this happen with all instances, or just some? | 18:44 |
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kazer | probably 95% of the instances | 18:45 |
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georgem1 | kazer: the openvswitch-agent gets the request to create the port, but the reply never gets back to the compute node | 18:46 |
TMM | CrtxReavr, hi, thanks for looking with me. the target mac address (according to tcpdump) is 01:00:5e:5e:01:01 on the incoming external link, the qbr (of the instance it does arrive on) and inside the instance it arrives on | 18:46 |
TMM | CrtxReavr, looks like it's still a multicast packet | 18:47 |
georgem1 | kazer: I would check your rabbitmq messages in the queue, there shouldn't be any | 18:47 |
georgem1 | kazer: http://abregman.com/2016/01/06/openstack-neutron-troubleshooting-and-solving-common-problems/ | 18:47 |
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TMM | CrtxReavr, it's also still being sent to a multicast ip | 18:47 |
kazer | thanks georgem1. i checked the queue, i only have messages in the notifications.info queue. all other queues are empty | 18:48 |
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TMM | CrtxReavr, I wonder if my hypervisor wants to be part of the multicast group or something? | 18:49 |
georgem1 | kazer: increase the logging level to debug, restart the services and try again, hopefully there will be a hint in there | 18:49 |
kazer | i tried that yesterday without luck, but will try again | 18:50 |
TMM | CrtxReavr, no, that's dumb, sorry :) | 18:50 |
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TForeman | I have a question about using the novaclient api and passing in datetime objects to novaclient.usage.get() | 18:57 |
TForeman | is this the right channel? | 18:57 |
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georgem1 | kazer: I hope you are using ha queues | 19:02 |
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georgem1 | kazer: I would leave just one rabbitmq up (mn01a), just to isolate the problem, and try again | 19:04 |
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kazer | georgem1: i am using ha_queues yes. going to double check if everything is fine on this end tho | 19:05 |
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kazer | i switched the compute node neutron to debug mode, i haven't found anything relevant in OVS logs yet. digging | 19:08 |
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TMM | CrtxReavr, my theory right now is that by reassembling the packet linux kind of deduplicates it? | 19:39 |
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kazer | georgem1: i tried with stopping one rabbitmq node, same result | 19:50 |
kazer | i can't find any relevant status code 4xx or 5xx in the logs | 19:50 |
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georgem1 | kazer: with just one rabbitmq node, do you see the openvswitch-agent receiving the request to create the port? | 19:53 |
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georgem1 | kazer: you could watch for any queues without consumers: rabbitmqctl list_queues name consumers| awk '{if ($2 <1) print $1, $2}' | 20:01 |
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rbking | hi | 20:02 |
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kazer | georgem1: just found this in the logs too : 016-05-19 12:58:23.775 19752 WARNING neutron.plugins.ml2.rpc [req-f35ada5d-eb48-44fa-8ac4-172e550f4339 None] Device 4f50158d-d62e-4d3b-8b46-c30e56b11b6c requested by agent ovs1eddd29b1c46 not found in database | 20:04 |
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kazer | georgem1: ovs agent on the network node or the compute node ? | 20:04 |
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georgem1 | kazer: on the compute node | 20:06 |
CrtxReavr | TMM, do you have a way to sniff at multiple locations? | 20:07 |
kazer | georgem1: 2016-05-19 13:07:00.232 29993 INFO neutron.plugins.openvswitch.agent.ovs_neutron_agent [-] Configuration for device fede6dbd-05f6-46e4-83c7-6a8f6fb3b466 completed. | 20:07 |
CrtxReavr | Like from the target instance and maybe a span port on the physical switch? | 20:07 |
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rbking | the bandwidtth of two instances running on the same node can achieve 10Gb/s, and only 1 Gb/s on different node, what is the main different? | 20:07 |
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rbking | I checked the VxLAN MTU setting is 1450 | 20:08 |
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TMM | CrtxReavr, I don't currently have access to a span port, I can maybe get one though. It's all on lacp too though, so it may be a tad painful | 20:09 |
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CrtxReavr | TMM, are the multicast packets TCP or UDP? | 20:38 |
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TMM | CrtxReavr, udp | 20:40 |
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TMM | I don't really see how that would work either, but I guess there's nothing stopping you from sending tcp packets to a multicast mac address | 20:40 |
TMM | /ip address | 20:41 |
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Sam-I-Am | well, you can manufacture any packet you want :) | 20:41 |
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TMM | maybe I should hack in a setting into neutron ports to disable security groups altogether for individual ports | 20:43 |
TMM | then in openvswitch-agent disable iptables for those bridges | 20:43 |
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TMM | maybe add it to the port_security extension | 20:46 |
Sam-I-Am | rbking: using vxlan isnt going to help performance | 20:47 |
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Sam-I-Am | if you need speed, use vlan, or buy nics that can offload vxlan/gre | 20:47 |
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TMM | CrtxReavr, any ideas? :) | 20:51 |
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Sam-I-Am | TMM: so, being lazy and not looking at scrollback, whats not working? | 20:52 |
TMM | nvm, I fixed it | 20:53 |
TMM | ovs-vsctl set bridge br-int mcast_snooping_enable=true | 20:53 |
TMM | then fragmented multicast packets make it over the links | 20:54 |
TMM | question is now how I can get neutron to do this for me for reboots | 20:54 |
TMM | I really don't want to stick this in rc.local | 20:54 |
TMM | weeellll | 20:55 |
TMM | it kinda works | 20:55 |
Sam-I-Am | why are they fragmented? | 20:55 |
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TMM | nvm, it doesn't work | 20:55 |
TMM | they are fragmented because the sender just sends udp datagrams of around 4KB | 20:55 |
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Sam-I-Am | would a larger mtu work? | 20:58 |
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TMM | I suppose it could | 21:01 |
kazer | Sam-I-Am: do you know what AMQP queue is used for the nova/neutron communication? | 21:01 |
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Sam-I-Am | kazer: i'm trying to remember if it even uses rabbit | 21:03 |
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kazer | mmm.. | 21:04 |
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Sam-I-Am | kazer: are the network bits actually getting created? | 21:06 |
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TMM | it's not so surprising that enabling igmp snooping on the br-int doesn't really help, as the problem isn't ovs at all | 21:07 |
TMM | the packets arrive on all ports just fine | 21:07 |
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kazer | Sam-I-Am: yeah, the port is created indeed. i see it using neutron port-list | 21:07 |
Sam-I-Am | kazer: have you tried disabling the vif plug check and see if the vm actually works? | 21:07 |
Sam-I-Am | TMM: where do you think the problem is? | 21:08 |
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kazer | yes, if i set timeout to 0 and fatal to false, the vm boots fast and has network | 21:08 |
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Sam-I-Am | ok, so its just the verify mechanism | 21:08 |
Sam-I-Am | what ver of openstack is this? | 21:08 |
kazer | icehouse | 21:08 |
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TMM | Sam-I-Am, ovs sends the packets to the veth pair, and they then enter iptables. If the packet is fragmented nf_conntrack will then defragment them before processing. It seems that at this point the packets also get deduplicated | 21:10 |
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Sam-I-Am | kazer: oh dear | 21:10 |
Sam-I-Am | kazer: that could be entirely broken that far back | 21:10 |
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kazer | Sam-I-Am: haha yeah.. upgrade is planned for this summer.. | 21:11 |
kazer | it works on our prod cluster.. and it uses to work on the ci too.. | 21:11 |
Sam-I-Am | might be some sort of race condition | 21:12 |
Sam-I-Am | either way, with a version that old you won't get a dev to dig into it with a bug report | 21:12 |
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kazer | yeah :) | 21:12 |
Sam-I-Am | so, if it consistently works without the vif plug check, i'd just disable it | 21:12 |
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kazer | ok going to do that and test extensively. thanks Sam-I-Am ! | 21:13 |
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Sam-I-Am | i seem to recall the vif plug check being disabled in the gate jobs for quite a while after it first came out... which i think was icehouse | 21:14 |
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kazer | because it was not mature enough and causing issues? | 21:15 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah | 21:15 |
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kazer | seems to match what i see. thanks Sam-I-Am | 21:17 |
kazer | odd that we dont have the issue in prod.. i'll have to dig | 21:17 |
Sam-I-Am | different hw? more/less nodes or services? | 21:18 |
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kazer | hardware is slightly different, but hardware in our ci did not change | 21:27 |
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kazer | Sam-I-Am: CI tests are passing now. it's kind of a dirty workaround, but i guess it'll be ok until the upgrade. thanks! | 21:41 |
Sam-I-Am | should be used to those by now:) | 21:41 |
kazer | haha :D | 21:42 |
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CrtxReavr | TMM, well. . . i might be inclined to check & rechck that LACP connection. . . . | 22:02 |
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CrtxReavr | I'm just wondering of it's a packet loss issue. | 22:02 |
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TMM | CrtxReavr, it's really not, it's consistent across my entire cluster of 30 hypervisors | 22:03 |
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TMM | CrtxReavr, and, disabling iptables for bridges solves the problem | 22:03 |
CrtxReavr | iptables is a steaming pile anyways. . . leave it off. | 22:03 |
CrtxReavr | Done & done. | 22:03 |
CrtxReavr | Actually. . . | 22:04 |
TMM | how do I use security groups then? | 22:04 |
CrtxReavr | A lot of DOSes have involved fragmented UDP. . . | 22:04 |
CrtxReavr | I'm wondering if that's some kind of default drop. | 22:04 |
TMM | if I can somehow have security groups without having iptables enabled on the linux bridges I'm fine too | 22:05 |
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Sam-I-Am | TMM: secgroups are iptables | 22:08 |
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TMM | Sam-I-Am, i know, but perhaps there was another implementation, a guy can dream | 22:08 |
Sam-I-Am | i'd try to avoid fragmentation | 22:09 |
TMM | yeah, well, tell that to my developers | 22:09 |
Sam-I-Am | so using jumbo frames wouldnt fix it? | 22:09 |
Sam-I-Am | is your network jumbo now? | 22:09 |
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TMM | yeah, I guess the shortest way to fix this is to have 8900 mtu on my overlay networks | 22:10 |
TMM | I could, the physical network is jumbo already | 22:10 |
TMM | but this of course won't really help if they decide to send even larger packets | 22:10 |
Sam-I-Am | well, they cant send packets that are too insanely large | 22:10 |
Sam-I-Am | do you need overlay-type networks, or can you get by with vlan? | 22:11 |
TMM | I don't know what the maximum write()/sendmsg() size is after which linux tells you to fuck off | 22:11 |
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TMM | I really need overlay | 22:11 |
TMM | if I start doing vlan l3 dvr will blow up | 22:11 |
TMM | also, I just don't want to deal with that | 22:12 |
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Sam-I-Am | why do you need dvr? | 22:13 |
TMM | I think I have two options now, well 3 if you could 'fuck off' as an option, a) I increase the mtu of the tenant networks to something approximating 9000 and hope for the best or b) implement a switch for individual networks to disable iptables entirely on those bridges in neutron | 22:13 |
TMM | I need dvr because I don't want dedicated networking nodes with all the ha headaches that brings | 22:13 |
Sam-I-Am | why do you need routing? | 22:13 |
Sam-I-Am | well, "routing" | 22:13 |
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TMM | how else am I going to get l3 connectivity between different systems? | 22:14 |
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TMM | or even provide a default gateway for tenant networks | 22:14 |
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Sam-I-Am | just use provider nets | 22:15 |
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Sam-I-Am | question is, how much of your env needs to be self-service networking? | 22:16 |
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TMM | Sam-I-Am, I could do that with liberty now I suppose, but if iptables gets involved at all at any point I think I'll still have the problem. OVS isn't causing any trouble in this setup, in fact if I enable igmp snooping on br-int it reduces load quite a bit | 22:23 |
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Sam-I-Am | so, before you got into this cloud thing, what did firewalling for your hosts/vms? | 22:24 |
TMM | nothing did, really | 22:25 |
TMM | we encouraged users to implement iptables rules | 22:25 |
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TMM | and the networking team was manually providing vlans for l2 isolation | 22:26 |
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Sam-I-Am | hmm | 22:26 |
Sam-I-Am | so whats the goal with cloud stuffs? | 22:26 |
TMM | I've offered the two solutions I've found, I've asked the users what they would prefer | 22:26 |
Sam-I-Am | is it just glorified vmware? | 22:27 |
TMM | no | 22:27 |
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TMM | we have a giant pile of separate 'product units' in our company that all act pretty much entirely independently of each other | 22:27 |
TMM | and they want to go more and more independent | 22:27 |
Sam-I-Am | ok | 22:28 |
TMM | so we've moved into a position of just providing infrastructure, we tried using cloudstack for that and it kinda sorta worked, but we still had to make vlans manually | 22:28 |
TMM | so I said fuck it, and just put everyone on a giant l2 network and provided tentant networks | 22:28 |
Sam-I-Am | so you want these groups to make their own networks | 22:28 |
TMM | and told them to sort it out with security groups or overlay networks and stop bothering me | 22:28 |
TMM | :P | 22:28 |
TMM | it has actually worked out pretty well, except for this issue | 22:28 |
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Sam-I-Am | if this is an iptables problem, how come it hasnt affected host-based firewalls prior to using openstack? | 22:29 |
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Sam-I-Am | did the mtu shrink when you went to openstack? | 22:29 |
TMM | no | 22:29 |
TMM | multicast packets, fragmented or not, only had to be delivered to 1 interface previously | 22:30 |
TMM | now iptables is on the hypervisors and it needs to be delivered to multiple interfaces | 22:30 |
TMM | the packets were always fragmented, and I imagine iptables has always done this | 22:30 |
TMM | but if you only have 1 recipient it doesn't matter | 22:30 |
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TMM | (one recipient per iptables instance) | 22:30 |
TMM | this probably would likely also go away if neutron would implement security groups by placing every instance in a network namespace | 22:31 |
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Sam-I-Am | each instance should have iptables implemented on a unique bridge | 22:32 |
Sam-I-Am | same iptables, though | 22:32 |
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TMM | I think the problem is primarily 'same nf_defrag_ipv4' | 22:32 |
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TMM | if neutron could do stateless security groups with ebtables we'd be fine too | 22:33 |
TMM | given the current feature set of security groups that would be totally feasible too | 22:33 |
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Sam-I-Am | looks like you have two options - try increasing the mtu everywhere or tell your groups to manage host-based firewalls if necessary | 22:35 |
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Sam-I-Am | also, if you can, try reproducing this outside of openstack | 22:35 |
Sam-I-Am | it doesnt seem openstack-only | 22:35 |
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TMM | it's not | 22:36 |
TMM | this is purely linux bridging + iptables + nf_defrag_ipv4 + multicast | 22:36 |
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TMM | I've reproduced it without openstack with some network namespaces and bridges too | 22:37 |
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Sam-I-Am | are there any switches for nf_defrag_ipv4 ? | 22:39 |
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TMM | no | 22:41 |
TMM | if you have conntrack, you will have defrag | 22:41 |
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Sam-I-Am | sort of makes sense as conntrack needs to see the whole picture | 22:42 |
TMM | I'm not sure why defrag also deduplicates but it may just think that since the exact same packet comes in multiple times, with the exact same sequence number that it just assumes there was a duplicate transmission | 22:42 |
TMM | which is entirely reasonable | 22:42 |
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TMM | I'm not even really sure how it'd work to not do that | 22:43 |
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TMM | I'm not sure if an ip/udp stack is supposed to expose the application to duplicates or not | 22:43 |
TMM | and, I'm also not sure how reassembly of 2 identical packets would work | 22:43 |
TMM | it has to stuff it in some kind of hash table | 22:44 |
TMM | and all fragments and bits would hash to the same bucket | 22:44 |
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Sam-I-Am | sounds about right | 22:45 |
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Sam-I-Am | i'd be curious if this works with ovn | 22:46 |
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TMM | ovn? | 22:47 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah, the next generation of ovs in neutron | 22:48 |
Sam-I-Am | everything is implemented in ovs | 22:48 |
Sam-I-Am | including secgroups | 22:48 |
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TMM | that would probably solve this | 22:52 |
TMM | is this available in liberty? | 22:52 |
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Sam-I-Am | no, its under development | 22:52 |
TMM | bleh | 22:52 |
Sam-I-Am | but you could try it | 22:52 |
TMM | but yeah, that'd be pretty much perfect :) | 22:52 |
Sam-I-Am | i think i made the instructions clear enough to do a test deployment (in devstack, but whatev) | 22:53 |
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TMM | I can give it a go | 23:11 |
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TMM | In the meantime I'm just going to hope they can constrain their packet sizes to < 8k :P | 23:13 |
Sam-I-Am | heh | 23:13 |
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campee | anyone around? | 23:59 |
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