Friday, 2016-06-10

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AndyWojodoing an openstack implementation https://www.livecoding.tv/andywojo/00:26
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John341I've simple config, Controller, Compute using linuxbr, the compute has one vm provisioned, but it doesn't seem to be able to get dhcp address from the network which it should.03:40
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John341It is a public neutron network,03:40
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John341On the compute, doing a tcpdump of the tap device, I can see the following:  IP 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: BOOTP/DHCP, Request from fa:16:3e:34:c7:f1 (oui Unknown), length 29003:43
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John341oh, I dook the phy nic in the bridge down and up, and it worked!03:48
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dspdhello stackers; does anyone know of a way to inject files into a bunch of running instances in openstack (not while launching, but later while they are running)?06:27
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tristanCdspd: how about ansible copy module?06:34
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dspdtristanC: thanks, would that require me to have an agent/module installed on the (copy-destination) instance though?06:37
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tristanCdspd: you need ssh access indeed06:37
tristanCbut it's agentless, just sshd is required on the instance06:38
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dspdtristanC: I shall look into that option. we have some windows instances too though..06:39
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lunarlampdspd: http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/win_copy_module.html and http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/copy_module.html06:40
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tristanCdspd: there may be ways to inject in the filesystem from the hypervisor/storage node, but there is probably a risk of corruption when doing this on live instance06:44
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dspdtristanC / lunarlamp - awesome.. thanks!06:53
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Be-Elwe are currently working on setting up keystone federation between two distinct clouds. how does federation handle automatic requests, e.g. if a user wants to use a script or application for setting up virtual machines?07:37
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sandmanHi! I am new to the community Can someone please let me know how I can find a mentor?07:41
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kullmarMy dhcp-agent is trying to execute commands on an interface that doesn't exist, anyone heard of this before?09:53
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manolo32hi!11:15
Mech422Hi!11:15
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manolo32may I ask a question :D11:16
manolo32I am a little bit newb to this11:17
manolo32I have a setup with cinder but I cannot create a volume and my scheduler say no free capacity but I have free sources on my nodes. Does it seems that openstack does not understand it?11:18
Mech422manolo32: yeah - sounds like cinder is not seeing your storage?11:19
manolo32what should I do11:20
manolo32in my hypervisors tab there are only the resources of one of my nodes, even though there are enough to create the volume that i want11:20
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Mech422manolo32: that I don't know...storage should be on the 'images' section and 'services'(?) section on the admin tab11:21
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Mech422manolo32: I'd start by making sure all the services are 'UP'11:21
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noshankusHi guys - using Mitaka - when launching an instance with multiple interfaces, only ever one interface ever gets configured and brought up - the other interfaces are available to the OS (i.e. I see eth1, eth2 etc...), but not up or configured - also, no config files for them... Any ideas?11:25
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manolo32yeah they are, when I try to create a volume it says error even though I have the free space I got this error :/11:25
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Mech422noshankus: yeah - cloud config only configures 1 interface by default...11:27
Mech422noshankus: (ie your images don't configure the other interfaces)11:27
Mech422noshankus: so you either need to roll custom images, or configure the other images with scripts or whatever11:28
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noshankus@Mech422 - Ok, ouch. Custom flavors essentially?11:28
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Mech422noshankus: err...no? flavors are the VM sizes - m1.tiny, etc11:28
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noshankus@Mech422 - D'Oh! Yeah, images... I was using a CentOS7 image...11:29
Mech422noshankus: I'm not a RH user - but I'm guessing its the same - it only configures 1 interface11:29
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Mech422noshankus: easiest thing to do, is just have ansible configure the other interfaces after it boots :-)11:30
Mech422noshankus: write yourself some nice 'my cloud server' setup plays :-)11:30
noshankusIt does seem like a pain in the arse though... I hoped I could even dynamically add an interface and then it'd create the config file for the interface...11:30
noshankusVia ansible... yeah - will probably do that alright11:30
Mech422noshankus: well - you could fart around with the cloudconfig docs and customize that11:31
Mech422noshankus: to be honest though, rolling your own image just for that seems like more trouble then its worth11:31
noshankusThanks Mech422 - will try via ansible first! :)11:31
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Mech422noshankus: good luck !  :-)11:31
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noshankusThought I was going crazy initially as assumed it'd do all that for me... :O11:32
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Mech422noshankus: yeah - I thought cloud config was a lot smarter then it is...11:32
noshankusBetter off creating instances via ansible than the dashboard if that's the case11:32
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noshankusMech422 - Yeah really!11:32
Mech422noshankus: another thing - I don't think you can assign a fixed IP via the dashboard 'launch' function11:33
noshankusWell, there goes my Friday afternoon! :O11:33
Mech422you need to use 'heat' or direct api calls if you need fixed IP11:33
noshankusYou can create a port and then attach the port rather than a network11:33
noshankusbut seems you have to create the port on the command line to get specific IPs11:34
Mech422noshankus: oh - maybe it got fixed in mitaka then - last time I tried, you couldn't11:34
Mech422noshankus: oh ...yeah...sounds about right - api calls, or heat templates11:35
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noshankusMech422 - think I'm going to go the ansible route - cheers for the tips!11:35
Mech422noshankus: no problem - have fun!11:35
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gahanin liberty, how should I go about configuring br-ex? editing a file or using cli tool?11:49
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Mech422gahan: um - kolla will do that...11:50
Mech422gahan: in fact, kolla will probably step on it, if you try to configure it manually11:50
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gahanso running ovs-vsctl add-port br-ex eth1 is not really going to solve it?11:52
Mech422gahan: no - kolla does that internally (as part of extended-start )11:52
Mech422gahan: I had to dig thru it, because we use OVS for our base networking, and kolla starts an ovs-db container11:53
gahanMech422: I never used and my br-ex conf is messed up on every node (can't reach instances through other means than ip netns exec....)11:54
Mech422gahan: you can create a VETH endpoint to hand to kolla, and let it put that in br-ex11:54
Mech422gahan: oh... not sure then11:54
gahanI'm using autopilot11:54
Mech422autopilot?11:54
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gahanyeah ubuntu/landscape/autopilot deployment11:58
Mech422gahan: does that use kolla?11:58
Mech422gahan: sorry - I've never even heard of that - I thought ubuntu used Fuel11:58
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Mech422gahan: Oh Crap - I'm in the wrong channel :-P11:59
Mech422gahan: I thought I was in the openstack-kolla channel11:59
Mech422gahan: dis-regard everything I've said, as I'm an idiot :-)11:59
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zhoraghis there an existing package for gnocchi for ubuntu 14.04?12:38
zhoraghor some document to build gnocci for ubuntu 14.0412:38
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gahanMech422: lol :) that's fine - don't be so harsh on yourself, you were just trying to help! thanks :)12:54
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Sketchhmm, i'm starting to suspect the HA guide is out of date13:05
Sketchhttp://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/controller-ha-identity.html13:05
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Sketchsays to set auth_host in api-paste, but it doesn't exist in any current api_paste files13:06
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Sam-I-AmSketch: the ha guide is completely outdated, do not use it13:07
Sketchalso says to set bind_host, but current setup uses wsgi, so bind host is not used at all13:07
Sam-I-Ami keep trying to get it removed from the site13:07
Sketchheh13:07
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Sketchis there one for mitaka?13:07
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Sketchi assume that some of it is still useful... the haproxy/galera/rabbit/memcached stuff should still apply?13:08
Sam-I-Amno, it hasnt been updated in years13:08
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Sam-I-Amthe concepts are pretty similar though13:08
Sam-I-Ambut the config is wrong13:08
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Sketchheh, the mitaka manuals actually references it and mentions improvements for mitaka13:10
Sketchhttp://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/openstack-manuals/mitaka.html#high-availability-guide13:10
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Sam-I-Amits still pretty terrible :/13:10
Sketchi'm guessing that what i actually need to do is use the virtual IP for my keystone endpoint (and probably everything else...in which case, do i even need haproxy) when i register it?13:12
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Sam-I-Amwell, the vip would be owned by a load balancer13:12
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Sketchin this case the vip is pacemaker/corosync.  assuming i can get the virtual ip to work, anyway.  it doesn't seem to, as documented ;)13:13
Sketchi guess what haproxy buys you is load balancing13:14
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Sketcheven though all of your requests will hit the first haproxy unless it fails, unless you do round robin dns13:15
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Sam-I-Ammost deployments now use haproxy instead of pm/corosync13:15
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Sam-I-Amthe latter is old school13:15
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Sketchdon't you still need corosync/etc to create the virtual IP for haproxy?13:22
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Mech422Sketch: you have haproxy listen on the vip and load balance back to the services13:22
Mech422Sketch: or you can get fancy, and use vrrp with haproxy to have HA haproxy :-)13:23
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Sketchyeah, it does seem like vrrp/carp would be enough, it doesn't seem like you need any other features of corosync13:24
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Sketch(unless you're also using it for shared storage, but i'm not)13:25
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Sam-I-Ammost people either a) just have one haproxy b) ha haproxy with something like vrrp c) use a pair of hardware load bals13:26
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Sam-I-Ami always liked option 313:26
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Sketcha gives you load balancing but not failover (well, of the haproxy host)13:29
Sketchi like the sound of option b13:29
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Sketchi'm more concerned with redundancy than load balancing13:29
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AndyWojoHey @Sam-I-Am do you know of a way to print out the implementation guides?13:29
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AndyWojoThere doesn't seem to be a print option.. http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/install-guide-ubuntu/index.html13:29
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AndyWojoYou'd have to go through every page and do a print13:30
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Sam-I-AmAndyWojo: when we used docbook, there was a pdf option. but sphinx/rst doesn't support pdf.13:31
Sam-I-Amwe also found a lot of people printing stuff that was quickly outdated, so we'd see bugs that we could not verify... turns out they printed a copy 6 months ago13:31
AndyWojoahh13:32
AndyWojoMakes sense13:32
AndyWojoThanks13:32
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drawsmcgrawWorking on a fresh install of Mitaka on Centos 7. I'm using Neutron with the openvswitch driver. When I create an instance, the only interface that gets created is the tap interface for the instance.13:49
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drawsmcgrawNo qbr*, no qv*. Nothing. Anyone happen to know what I could be missing? I'm following this for my setup: https://www.rdoproject.org/networking/networking-in-too-much-detail/13:50
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haukebrunois it a problem to run the neutron agent nodes and compute nodes in different L3 subnets? (linuxbridge agent + vxlan)13:58
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SamYaplehaukebruno: i dont follow your question. can you expand on it14:01
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haukebrunoSamYaple, sorry, yes. I want to use two different l3 subnets for the communication between compute nodes and neutron agents. for example the neutron agents could have their (tunneling) interfaces in 10.20.0.0/24 and the compute nodes could have their counterparts in 10.10.0.0/24. I am just curious whether this will work or not (for VXLAN communication over the linuxbridge agent especially)14:04
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Sam-I-Amum14:05
SamYaplehaukebruno: if i understand what you are asking, then no. but could you explain a reason as to _why_ you want that?14:06
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Sam-I-AmSamYaple: tunnel endpoints dont have to be on the same l2 network14:07
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SamYapleSam-I-Am: they do if you are multicasting14:07
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haukebrunoSamYaple, just for seperation. maybe I should ask the other direction: if I have a /24 subnet with lets say 10 neutron agent nodes, but I have 300 compute nodes. what will I do? expand the /24 into a /23?14:08
Sam-I-Amyeah, so that brings in the openstack-specific bits14:08
Sam-I-Amusing one larger l3 network is probably the best option for openstack tunnels14:08
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haukebrunoSam-I-Am, thanks. makes absolutely sense.14:09
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haukebrunoI also remember the best practise of some guys around is to set up a new region (or cell) if the amount of compute nodes hit ~200 or so14:10
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SamYapleyea ~200 for most setups. it can be pushed to ~500 with some tuning14:10
SamYaplehavent seen much past that14:10
Sam-I-Amyeah, hence why the l3 networks for tunnels never get that big14:10
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Sam-I-Amsome other segregation kicks in14:11
SamYapleyou realyl want to be multicasting for >50 nodes14:11
haukebrunoyep. I am thinking around a bit. a new region (with our current setting) means a new control plane of 20+ maschines :p14:11
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haukebrunoSamYaple, good to know. we also discussed that with no outcome so far14:12
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SamYaplehaukebruno: it realyl reduces load on the switches and overall congestion. would highly recommend it (that that means same L2)14:14
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haukebrunothen it will be multicast + no l3 seperation ;)14:16
haukebrunothanks SamYaple and Sam-I-Am14:16
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SamYaplethat will likely give you the least headache yea14:17
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fricklerdrawsmcgraw: so connectivity for the instance works, but you have no firewalling? that could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1560957 that still needs to be fixed in mitaka14:33
openstackLaunchpad bug 1560957 in neutron "ovs mech_driver depends on neutron server firewall_driver option instead of the agent firewall_driver option to determine if hybrid plug can be used" [Low,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton)14:33
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drawsmcgrawfrickler: possibly...? I can console into the instance and see that it's eth0 never receives an IP14:43
drawsmcgrawBut *none* of the usual network devices get created. Is that related to the bug you mentioned?14:43
drawsmcgrawfwiw, I'm making a flat provider network for this deployment.14:44
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Sam-I-Amdrawsmcgraw: ovs? linuxbridge?14:45
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Sam-I-Amoh, i see... ovs14:45
Sam-I-Amonly a tap interface sounds like a fw driver problem14:45
drawsmcgrawSam-I-Am: Interesting... so it's possible that I need to update a config on my network node?14:46
Sam-I-Amyou need to set [securitygroup] firewall_driver on all nodes14:46
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fricklerdrawsmcgraw: you need the firewall_driver config on the node where neutron-server is running, so that you will get hybrid plugging for your instance14:47
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fricklerassuming you are really hitting the bug I mentioned and not something else14:47
drawsmcgrawfrickler: Noted, thanks. So now I know which file and which server -> you say it's the 'firewall_driver' config that needs updating?14:47
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drawsmcgrawLooks like it's not configured at all right now(??). I used Packstack to get this up & running.14:48
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Sam-I-Amits in ml2_conf.ini on the controller (neutron-server) node and the agent config file on each network/compute node14:49
drawsmcgrawSam-I-Am: Got it. I mean to say -> I see it in the file. It's just commented out and seems to not have a default value14:50
drawsmcgrawWould I just update that to have a value of 'hybrid' ?14:50
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fricklerI'm using "firewall_driver = neutron.agent.linux.iptables_firewall.OVSHybridIptablesFirewallDriver", there may be a shorthand for the right side14:50
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drawsmcgrawfrickler: Thanks. I know better than to think it'd be a shorthand value :)14:52
drawsmcgrawI'll drop that in, bounce the services, and try a new instance.14:52
drawsmcgrawStupid question -> Do I need to destroy/recreate my network to see these changes?14:52
frickleryou will also need to recreate your instance after the change (and have restarted neutron-server)14:52
drawsmcgrawfrickler: Noted. I was curious about that, too. Thanks.14:52
frickleryou should not need to recreate the network14:53
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Sam-I-Amthere is a shorthand for the driver name14:54
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drawsmcgrawLooks like my compute node already had that value configured. It was missing on the  network node...14:55
drawsmcgrawDeleting/creating a new instance now14:55
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Sam-I-Amin mitaka, at least for the time being, its best just to put that option everywhere14:56
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drawsmcgrawSam-I-Am: Noted. It's on the network node and compute node now14:57
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fricklerdrawsmcgraw: just to confirm: you have neutron-server running on your network node? usually it would be on the controller node14:58
drawsmcgrawfrickler: My mistake. I just have a single controller node that's running all services. I was saying some presumptive things.14:58
drawsmcgrawSo neutron-server is running on my controller node14:58
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drawsmcgrawfrickler: & Sam-I-Am well it's progress! I get a lot more interfaces now (qvb, qvo...) though the instance still isn't getting it's IP.15:00
drawsmcgrawI imagine I've just missed a step somewhere...15:01
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drawsmcgrawI see the dhcp requests on the qvb and the qvo interfaces... need to see where that goes next.15:02
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Sam-I-Amwell, if its a provider net, out the provider bridge and to wherever the dhcp agent is running15:06
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drawsmcgrawSam-I-Am: Right..  I'm just playing Follow the Packets now. I've made it as far as br-tun with tcpdump. But my memory is telling me that I'm not going to see traffic (e.g. the dhcp requests) on br-tun for reasons I don't remember.15:10
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Sam-I-Amif you're using a provider net, it should not traverse br-tun15:11
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Sketchso can anyone verify if this sounds reasonable: keepalive provides the virtual ip which is used by haproxy.  then when i create my openstack endpoints, i just register them one time using the virtual ip.  haproxy distributes requests to whichever of the real machine IPs.15:12
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Sketchor am i actually supposed to register multiple individual endpoints?15:13
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drawsmcgrawSam-I-Am: That would be... br-ex, then, right?15:18
drawsmcgrawI seem to... not.. have one of those on my compute node15:18
drawsmcgrawAh. No, that'd be 'br-provider'....15:19
drawsmcgrawI'm following this guide - http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/networking-guide/scenario_provider_ovs.html15:19
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Sam-I-Amyou're following a kilo guide, but not using kilo?15:25
Sam-I-Amsounds bad15:25
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Sam-I-AmSketch: there are different kinds of endpoints15:28
Sam-I-Amin some cases you might want one kind or the other pointing to something different15:28
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drawsmcgrawGood point. Found the Mitaka version of the same doc. Thanks.15:30
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Sketchyeah, long term, maybe.  but that's currently unlikely, unless pointing to a load balanced IP may break things.15:31
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Sketchright now i have 3 machines for controller+compute+storage(ceph)15:31
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SamYapleSketch: that sounds backwards15:32
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SamYapleSketch: you want to setup keepalived to have a VIP in front of your 2-3 haproxy servers15:32
SamYaplehaproxy should know how to talk to all your backend servers15:33
SamYapleso the endpoint points to the vip, which goes to an haproxy server (whoever holds the vip)15:33
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Sketchwell, the keepalived/haproxy will be on the controllers, so it will know how to get to them ;)15:37
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SamYapleSketch: i mean you still need to configure all haproxy services with all controllers15:39
SamYapleits not just going to figure it out15:39
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SketchSamYaple: yeah, i know haproxy has to be configured for all of the services that live on the vip.  just wanted to make sure that i didn't still need to register endpoints/services using real IPs for additional controllers15:42
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SamYapleyou dont need to register the backend ips, only the vip15:44
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SamYaplebut im a bit confused by "all of the services that live on the vip"15:44
SamYapleall haproxy configs need to reference all three (or whatever the number) other controller services15:44
SamYaplejust want to make sure we are on the same page here15:44
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Sketchyep15:46
Sketchbasically <SamYaple> you dont need to register the backend ips, only the vip15:46
Sketchis what i wanted to be sure of15:46
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SamYapleindeed. its also nice to use a dns name15:47
SamYapleyou can resolve it globally to a public, but internally to a private15:47
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Sketchyep15:50
haukebrunoyes, of course someone should use a dns name instead of the vip15:50
haukebrunoit gives a lot more flexibility15:51
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SamYapleyou say "of course" haukebruno, but 90% of the openstack environments I have worked on do not have dns for the vip15:52
SamYapleenterprise environments mind you15:52
haukebrunowell. thats a pity15:53
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Sketch"but our ip addresses will never change" ...yeah, right ;)15:54
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haukebrunoSketch, we also use different names for different services. all of them are CNAMEs to 1 VIP for the beginning. if we need to split or _scale_ that VIP, we are easily able to perform that without any pain on the endpoint side15:59
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georgem1SamYaple: do they not use SSL for the endpoints?16:32
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SamYaplegeorgem1: ssl is done at the ASA which has an external address16:39
SamYaplethere is a spattering of dns name in the config to make some stuff work, but never in the endpoints themselves16:39
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georgem1SamYaple: Ok, so they do SSL termination for the VIP/API endpoints at the firewall, and from there NAT to Haproxy16:45
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potato_farmerHow can I tell on which system a floating IP actually lives? (controller, hypervisor host, etc)18:42
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potato_farmerwhile the floating IP works, none of the traditional ip commands show it on any system18:42
SamYaplepotato_farmer: the floating ip is associated with a port with another ip18:42
SamYaplethe instance itself is unaware that it has a floating ip18:43
potato_farmeryes, I don't mean the instance, I mean the infrastructure18:43
potato_farmerthough I just realized it might be using ipv618:43
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potato_farmerso I find that the instances send public traffic to the controller over private and then it gets out that way, shouldn't the instances use the public port on the hypervisor host instead?18:53
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vernpotato_farmer: depends on which release you're running and which dvr mode you're using18:56
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SamYaplepotato_farmer: _are_ you using DVR?18:58
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potato_farmerRunning liberty. Not sure about DVR. I didn't deploy this specific cluster.19:03
potato_farmerwill check19:03
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potato_farmerno on DVR, thanks!19:05
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SamYaplethen all your floating ip traffic will be going to one of your l3 routers potato_farmer19:12
SamYaplein the namespace of the network in question youll see the ip and rules19:13
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potato_farmeryes, I think we need to redploy19:17
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SamYaplephschwartz: if you want i suppose. you almost never _need_ too19:42
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DLXHi, i have a EMC VMX3 3300 iSCSI Storage array, but it dosn't support SMI-S so i can't use it with Cinder? is there any way i can just use this as an iSCSi Shared Storage across compute nodes?22:47
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iggyyou'd need something like clvm or a cluster filesystem to share it22:54
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DLXThanks22:54
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