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AndyWojo | doing an openstack implementation https://www.livecoding.tv/andywojo/ | 00:26 |
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John341 | I've simple config, Controller, Compute using linuxbr, the compute has one vm provisioned, but it doesn't seem to be able to get dhcp address from the network which it should. | 03:40 |
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John341 | It is a public neutron network, | 03:40 |
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John341 | On the compute, doing a tcpdump of the tap device, I can see the following: IP 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: BOOTP/DHCP, Request from fa:16:3e:34:c7:f1 (oui Unknown), length 290 | 03:43 |
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John341 | oh, I dook the phy nic in the bridge down and up, and it worked! | 03:48 |
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dspd | hello stackers; does anyone know of a way to inject files into a bunch of running instances in openstack (not while launching, but later while they are running)? | 06:27 |
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tristanC | dspd: how about ansible copy module? | 06:34 |
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dspd | tristanC: thanks, would that require me to have an agent/module installed on the (copy-destination) instance though? | 06:37 |
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tristanC | dspd: you need ssh access indeed | 06:37 |
tristanC | but it's agentless, just sshd is required on the instance | 06:38 |
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dspd | tristanC: I shall look into that option. we have some windows instances too though.. | 06:39 |
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lunarlamp | dspd: http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/win_copy_module.html and http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/copy_module.html | 06:40 |
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tristanC | dspd: there may be ways to inject in the filesystem from the hypervisor/storage node, but there is probably a risk of corruption when doing this on live instance | 06:44 |
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dspd | tristanC / lunarlamp - awesome.. thanks! | 06:53 |
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Be-El | hi | 07:36 |
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Be-El | we are currently working on setting up keystone federation between two distinct clouds. how does federation handle automatic requests, e.g. if a user wants to use a script or application for setting up virtual machines? | 07:37 |
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sandman | Hi! I am new to the community Can someone please let me know how I can find a mentor? | 07:41 |
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kullmar | My dhcp-agent is trying to execute commands on an interface that doesn't exist, anyone heard of this before? | 09:53 |
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manolo32 | hi! | 11:15 |
Mech422 | Hi! | 11:15 |
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manolo32 | may I ask a question :D | 11:16 |
manolo32 | I am a little bit newb to this | 11:17 |
manolo32 | I have a setup with cinder but I cannot create a volume and my scheduler say no free capacity but I have free sources on my nodes. Does it seems that openstack does not understand it? | 11:18 |
Mech422 | manolo32: yeah - sounds like cinder is not seeing your storage? | 11:19 |
manolo32 | what should I do | 11:20 |
manolo32 | in my hypervisors tab there are only the resources of one of my nodes, even though there are enough to create the volume that i want | 11:20 |
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Mech422 | manolo32: that I don't know...storage should be on the 'images' section and 'services'(?) section on the admin tab | 11:21 |
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Mech422 | manolo32: I'd start by making sure all the services are 'UP' | 11:21 |
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noshankus | Hi guys - using Mitaka - when launching an instance with multiple interfaces, only ever one interface ever gets configured and brought up - the other interfaces are available to the OS (i.e. I see eth1, eth2 etc...), but not up or configured - also, no config files for them... Any ideas? | 11:25 |
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manolo32 | yeah they are, when I try to create a volume it says error even though I have the free space I got this error :/ | 11:25 |
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Mech422 | noshankus: yeah - cloud config only configures 1 interface by default... | 11:27 |
Mech422 | noshankus: (ie your images don't configure the other interfaces) | 11:27 |
Mech422 | noshankus: so you either need to roll custom images, or configure the other images with scripts or whatever | 11:28 |
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noshankus | @Mech422 - Ok, ouch. Custom flavors essentially? | 11:28 |
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Mech422 | noshankus: err...no? flavors are the VM sizes - m1.tiny, etc | 11:28 |
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noshankus | @Mech422 - D'Oh! Yeah, images... I was using a CentOS7 image... | 11:29 |
Mech422 | noshankus: I'm not a RH user - but I'm guessing its the same - it only configures 1 interface | 11:29 |
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Mech422 | noshankus: easiest thing to do, is just have ansible configure the other interfaces after it boots :-) | 11:30 |
Mech422 | noshankus: write yourself some nice 'my cloud server' setup plays :-) | 11:30 |
noshankus | It does seem like a pain in the arse though... I hoped I could even dynamically add an interface and then it'd create the config file for the interface... | 11:30 |
noshankus | Via ansible... yeah - will probably do that alright | 11:30 |
Mech422 | noshankus: well - you could fart around with the cloudconfig docs and customize that | 11:31 |
Mech422 | noshankus: to be honest though, rolling your own image just for that seems like more trouble then its worth | 11:31 |
noshankus | Thanks Mech422 - will try via ansible first! :) | 11:31 |
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Mech422 | noshankus: good luck ! :-) | 11:31 |
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noshankus | Thought I was going crazy initially as assumed it'd do all that for me... :O | 11:32 |
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Mech422 | noshankus: yeah - I thought cloud config was a lot smarter then it is... | 11:32 |
noshankus | Better off creating instances via ansible than the dashboard if that's the case | 11:32 |
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noshankus | Mech422 - Yeah really! | 11:32 |
Mech422 | noshankus: another thing - I don't think you can assign a fixed IP via the dashboard 'launch' function | 11:33 |
noshankus | Well, there goes my Friday afternoon! :O | 11:33 |
Mech422 | you need to use 'heat' or direct api calls if you need fixed IP | 11:33 |
noshankus | You can create a port and then attach the port rather than a network | 11:33 |
noshankus | but seems you have to create the port on the command line to get specific IPs | 11:34 |
Mech422 | noshankus: oh - maybe it got fixed in mitaka then - last time I tried, you couldn't | 11:34 |
Mech422 | noshankus: oh ...yeah...sounds about right - api calls, or heat templates | 11:35 |
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noshankus | Mech422 - think I'm going to go the ansible route - cheers for the tips! | 11:35 |
Mech422 | noshankus: no problem - have fun! | 11:35 |
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gahan | in liberty, how should I go about configuring br-ex? editing a file or using cli tool? | 11:49 |
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Mech422 | gahan: um - kolla will do that... | 11:50 |
Mech422 | gahan: in fact, kolla will probably step on it, if you try to configure it manually | 11:50 |
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gahan | so running ovs-vsctl add-port br-ex eth1 is not really going to solve it? | 11:52 |
Mech422 | gahan: no - kolla does that internally (as part of extended-start ) | 11:52 |
Mech422 | gahan: I had to dig thru it, because we use OVS for our base networking, and kolla starts an ovs-db container | 11:53 |
gahan | Mech422: I never used and my br-ex conf is messed up on every node (can't reach instances through other means than ip netns exec....) | 11:54 |
Mech422 | gahan: you can create a VETH endpoint to hand to kolla, and let it put that in br-ex | 11:54 |
Mech422 | gahan: oh... not sure then | 11:54 |
gahan | I'm using autopilot | 11:54 |
Mech422 | autopilot? | 11:54 |
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gahan | yeah ubuntu/landscape/autopilot deployment | 11:58 |
Mech422 | gahan: does that use kolla? | 11:58 |
Mech422 | gahan: sorry - I've never even heard of that - I thought ubuntu used Fuel | 11:58 |
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Mech422 | gahan: Oh Crap - I'm in the wrong channel :-P | 11:59 |
Mech422 | gahan: I thought I was in the openstack-kolla channel | 11:59 |
Mech422 | gahan: dis-regard everything I've said, as I'm an idiot :-) | 11:59 |
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zhoragh | is there an existing package for gnocchi for ubuntu 14.04? | 12:38 |
zhoragh | or some document to build gnocci for ubuntu 14.04 | 12:38 |
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gahan | Mech422: lol :) that's fine - don't be so harsh on yourself, you were just trying to help! thanks :) | 12:54 |
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Sketch | hmm, i'm starting to suspect the HA guide is out of date | 13:05 |
Sketch | http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/controller-ha-identity.html | 13:05 |
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Sketch | says to set auth_host in api-paste, but it doesn't exist in any current api_paste files | 13:06 |
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Sam-I-Am | Sketch: the ha guide is completely outdated, do not use it | 13:07 |
Sketch | also says to set bind_host, but current setup uses wsgi, so bind host is not used at all | 13:07 |
Sam-I-Am | i keep trying to get it removed from the site | 13:07 |
Sketch | heh | 13:07 |
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Sketch | is there one for mitaka? | 13:07 |
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Sketch | i assume that some of it is still useful... the haproxy/galera/rabbit/memcached stuff should still apply? | 13:08 |
Sam-I-Am | no, it hasnt been updated in years | 13:08 |
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Sam-I-Am | the concepts are pretty similar though | 13:08 |
Sam-I-Am | but the config is wrong | 13:08 |
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Sketch | heh, the mitaka manuals actually references it and mentions improvements for mitaka | 13:10 |
Sketch | http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/openstack-manuals/mitaka.html#high-availability-guide | 13:10 |
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Sam-I-Am | its still pretty terrible :/ | 13:10 |
Sketch | i'm guessing that what i actually need to do is use the virtual IP for my keystone endpoint (and probably everything else...in which case, do i even need haproxy) when i register it? | 13:12 |
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Sam-I-Am | well, the vip would be owned by a load balancer | 13:12 |
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Sketch | in this case the vip is pacemaker/corosync. assuming i can get the virtual ip to work, anyway. it doesn't seem to, as documented ;) | 13:13 |
Sketch | i guess what haproxy buys you is load balancing | 13:14 |
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Sketch | even though all of your requests will hit the first haproxy unless it fails, unless you do round robin dns | 13:15 |
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Sam-I-Am | most deployments now use haproxy instead of pm/corosync | 13:15 |
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Sam-I-Am | the latter is old school | 13:15 |
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Sketch | don't you still need corosync/etc to create the virtual IP for haproxy? | 13:22 |
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Mech422 | Sketch: you have haproxy listen on the vip and load balance back to the services | 13:22 |
Mech422 | Sketch: or you can get fancy, and use vrrp with haproxy to have HA haproxy :-) | 13:23 |
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Sketch | yeah, it does seem like vrrp/carp would be enough, it doesn't seem like you need any other features of corosync | 13:24 |
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Sketch | (unless you're also using it for shared storage, but i'm not) | 13:25 |
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Sam-I-Am | most people either a) just have one haproxy b) ha haproxy with something like vrrp c) use a pair of hardware load bals | 13:26 |
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Sam-I-Am | i always liked option 3 | 13:26 |
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Sketch | a gives you load balancing but not failover (well, of the haproxy host) | 13:29 |
Sketch | i like the sound of option b | 13:29 |
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Sketch | i'm more concerned with redundancy than load balancing | 13:29 |
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AndyWojo | Hey @Sam-I-Am do you know of a way to print out the implementation guides? | 13:29 |
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AndyWojo | There doesn't seem to be a print option.. http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/install-guide-ubuntu/index.html | 13:29 |
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AndyWojo | You'd have to go through every page and do a print | 13:30 |
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Sam-I-Am | AndyWojo: when we used docbook, there was a pdf option. but sphinx/rst doesn't support pdf. | 13:31 |
Sam-I-Am | we also found a lot of people printing stuff that was quickly outdated, so we'd see bugs that we could not verify... turns out they printed a copy 6 months ago | 13:31 |
AndyWojo | ahh | 13:32 |
AndyWojo | Makes sense | 13:32 |
AndyWojo | Thanks | 13:32 |
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drawsmcgraw | Working on a fresh install of Mitaka on Centos 7. I'm using Neutron with the openvswitch driver. When I create an instance, the only interface that gets created is the tap interface for the instance. | 13:49 |
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drawsmcgraw | No qbr*, no qv*. Nothing. Anyone happen to know what I could be missing? I'm following this for my setup: https://www.rdoproject.org/networking/networking-in-too-much-detail/ | 13:50 |
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haukebruno | is it a problem to run the neutron agent nodes and compute nodes in different L3 subnets? (linuxbridge agent + vxlan) | 13:58 |
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SamYaple | haukebruno: i dont follow your question. can you expand on it | 14:01 |
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haukebruno | SamYaple, sorry, yes. I want to use two different l3 subnets for the communication between compute nodes and neutron agents. for example the neutron agents could have their (tunneling) interfaces in 10.20.0.0/24 and the compute nodes could have their counterparts in 10.10.0.0/24. I am just curious whether this will work or not (for VXLAN communication over the linuxbridge agent especially) | 14:04 |
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Sam-I-Am | um | 14:05 |
SamYaple | haukebruno: if i understand what you are asking, then no. but could you explain a reason as to _why_ you want that? | 14:06 |
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Sam-I-Am | SamYaple: tunnel endpoints dont have to be on the same l2 network | 14:07 |
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SamYaple | Sam-I-Am: they do if you are multicasting | 14:07 |
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haukebruno | SamYaple, just for seperation. maybe I should ask the other direction: if I have a /24 subnet with lets say 10 neutron agent nodes, but I have 300 compute nodes. what will I do? expand the /24 into a /23? | 14:08 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah, so that brings in the openstack-specific bits | 14:08 |
Sam-I-Am | using one larger l3 network is probably the best option for openstack tunnels | 14:08 |
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haukebruno | Sam-I-Am, thanks. makes absolutely sense. | 14:09 |
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haukebruno | I also remember the best practise of some guys around is to set up a new region (or cell) if the amount of compute nodes hit ~200 or so | 14:10 |
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SamYaple | yea ~200 for most setups. it can be pushed to ~500 with some tuning | 14:10 |
SamYaple | havent seen much past that | 14:10 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah, hence why the l3 networks for tunnels never get that big | 14:10 |
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Sam-I-Am | some other segregation kicks in | 14:11 |
SamYaple | you realyl want to be multicasting for >50 nodes | 14:11 |
haukebruno | yep. I am thinking around a bit. a new region (with our current setting) means a new control plane of 20+ maschines :p | 14:11 |
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haukebruno | SamYaple, good to know. we also discussed that with no outcome so far | 14:12 |
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SamYaple | haukebruno: it realyl reduces load on the switches and overall congestion. would highly recommend it (that that means same L2) | 14:14 |
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haukebruno | then it will be multicast + no l3 seperation ;) | 14:16 |
haukebruno | thanks SamYaple and Sam-I-Am | 14:16 |
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SamYaple | that will likely give you the least headache yea | 14:17 |
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frickler | drawsmcgraw: so connectivity for the instance works, but you have no firewalling? that could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1560957 that still needs to be fixed in mitaka | 14:33 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1560957 in neutron "ovs mech_driver depends on neutron server firewall_driver option instead of the agent firewall_driver option to determine if hybrid plug can be used" [Low,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 14:33 |
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drawsmcgraw | frickler: possibly...? I can console into the instance and see that it's eth0 never receives an IP | 14:43 |
drawsmcgraw | But *none* of the usual network devices get created. Is that related to the bug you mentioned? | 14:43 |
drawsmcgraw | fwiw, I'm making a flat provider network for this deployment. | 14:44 |
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Sam-I-Am | drawsmcgraw: ovs? linuxbridge? | 14:45 |
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Sam-I-Am | oh, i see... ovs | 14:45 |
Sam-I-Am | only a tap interface sounds like a fw driver problem | 14:45 |
drawsmcgraw | Sam-I-Am: Interesting... so it's possible that I need to update a config on my network node? | 14:46 |
Sam-I-Am | you need to set [securitygroup] firewall_driver on all nodes | 14:46 |
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frickler | drawsmcgraw: you need the firewall_driver config on the node where neutron-server is running, so that you will get hybrid plugging for your instance | 14:47 |
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frickler | assuming you are really hitting the bug I mentioned and not something else | 14:47 |
drawsmcgraw | frickler: Noted, thanks. So now I know which file and which server -> you say it's the 'firewall_driver' config that needs updating? | 14:47 |
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drawsmcgraw | Looks like it's not configured at all right now(??). I used Packstack to get this up & running. | 14:48 |
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Sam-I-Am | its in ml2_conf.ini on the controller (neutron-server) node and the agent config file on each network/compute node | 14:49 |
drawsmcgraw | Sam-I-Am: Got it. I mean to say -> I see it in the file. It's just commented out and seems to not have a default value | 14:50 |
drawsmcgraw | Would I just update that to have a value of 'hybrid' ? | 14:50 |
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frickler | I'm using "firewall_driver = neutron.agent.linux.iptables_firewall.OVSHybridIptablesFirewallDriver", there may be a shorthand for the right side | 14:50 |
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drawsmcgraw | frickler: Thanks. I know better than to think it'd be a shorthand value :) | 14:52 |
drawsmcgraw | I'll drop that in, bounce the services, and try a new instance. | 14:52 |
drawsmcgraw | Stupid question -> Do I need to destroy/recreate my network to see these changes? | 14:52 |
frickler | you will also need to recreate your instance after the change (and have restarted neutron-server) | 14:52 |
drawsmcgraw | frickler: Noted. I was curious about that, too. Thanks. | 14:52 |
frickler | you should not need to recreate the network | 14:53 |
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Sam-I-Am | there is a shorthand for the driver name | 14:54 |
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drawsmcgraw | Looks like my compute node already had that value configured. It was missing on the network node... | 14:55 |
drawsmcgraw | Deleting/creating a new instance now | 14:55 |
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Sam-I-Am | in mitaka, at least for the time being, its best just to put that option everywhere | 14:56 |
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drawsmcgraw | Sam-I-Am: Noted. It's on the network node and compute node now | 14:57 |
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frickler | drawsmcgraw: just to confirm: you have neutron-server running on your network node? usually it would be on the controller node | 14:58 |
drawsmcgraw | frickler: My mistake. I just have a single controller node that's running all services. I was saying some presumptive things. | 14:58 |
drawsmcgraw | So neutron-server is running on my controller node | 14:58 |
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drawsmcgraw | frickler: & Sam-I-Am well it's progress! I get a lot more interfaces now (qvb, qvo...) though the instance still isn't getting it's IP. | 15:00 |
drawsmcgraw | I imagine I've just missed a step somewhere... | 15:01 |
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drawsmcgraw | I see the dhcp requests on the qvb and the qvo interfaces... need to see where that goes next. | 15:02 |
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Sam-I-Am | well, if its a provider net, out the provider bridge and to wherever the dhcp agent is running | 15:06 |
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drawsmcgraw | Sam-I-Am: Right.. I'm just playing Follow the Packets now. I've made it as far as br-tun with tcpdump. But my memory is telling me that I'm not going to see traffic (e.g. the dhcp requests) on br-tun for reasons I don't remember. | 15:10 |
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Sam-I-Am | if you're using a provider net, it should not traverse br-tun | 15:11 |
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Sketch | so can anyone verify if this sounds reasonable: keepalive provides the virtual ip which is used by haproxy. then when i create my openstack endpoints, i just register them one time using the virtual ip. haproxy distributes requests to whichever of the real machine IPs. | 15:12 |
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Sketch | or am i actually supposed to register multiple individual endpoints? | 15:13 |
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drawsmcgraw | Sam-I-Am: That would be... br-ex, then, right? | 15:18 |
drawsmcgraw | I seem to... not.. have one of those on my compute node | 15:18 |
drawsmcgraw | Ah. No, that'd be 'br-provider'.... | 15:19 |
drawsmcgraw | I'm following this guide - http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/networking-guide/scenario_provider_ovs.html | 15:19 |
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Sam-I-Am | you're following a kilo guide, but not using kilo? | 15:25 |
Sam-I-Am | sounds bad | 15:25 |
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Sam-I-Am | Sketch: there are different kinds of endpoints | 15:28 |
Sam-I-Am | in some cases you might want one kind or the other pointing to something different | 15:28 |
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drawsmcgraw | Good point. Found the Mitaka version of the same doc. Thanks. | 15:30 |
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Sketch | yeah, long term, maybe. but that's currently unlikely, unless pointing to a load balanced IP may break things. | 15:31 |
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Sketch | right now i have 3 machines for controller+compute+storage(ceph) | 15:31 |
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SamYaple | Sketch: that sounds backwards | 15:32 |
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SamYaple | Sketch: you want to setup keepalived to have a VIP in front of your 2-3 haproxy servers | 15:32 |
SamYaple | haproxy should know how to talk to all your backend servers | 15:33 |
SamYaple | so the endpoint points to the vip, which goes to an haproxy server (whoever holds the vip) | 15:33 |
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Sketch | well, the keepalived/haproxy will be on the controllers, so it will know how to get to them ;) | 15:37 |
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SamYaple | Sketch: i mean you still need to configure all haproxy services with all controllers | 15:39 |
SamYaple | its not just going to figure it out | 15:39 |
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Sketch | SamYaple: yeah, i know haproxy has to be configured for all of the services that live on the vip. just wanted to make sure that i didn't still need to register endpoints/services using real IPs for additional controllers | 15:42 |
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SamYaple | you dont need to register the backend ips, only the vip | 15:44 |
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SamYaple | but im a bit confused by "all of the services that live on the vip" | 15:44 |
SamYaple | all haproxy configs need to reference all three (or whatever the number) other controller services | 15:44 |
SamYaple | just want to make sure we are on the same page here | 15:44 |
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Sketch | yep | 15:46 |
Sketch | basically <SamYaple> you dont need to register the backend ips, only the vip | 15:46 |
Sketch | is what i wanted to be sure of | 15:46 |
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SamYaple | indeed. its also nice to use a dns name | 15:47 |
SamYaple | you can resolve it globally to a public, but internally to a private | 15:47 |
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Sketch | yep | 15:50 |
haukebruno | yes, of course someone should use a dns name instead of the vip | 15:50 |
haukebruno | it gives a lot more flexibility | 15:51 |
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SamYaple | you say "of course" haukebruno, but 90% of the openstack environments I have worked on do not have dns for the vip | 15:52 |
SamYaple | enterprise environments mind you | 15:52 |
haukebruno | well. thats a pity | 15:53 |
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Sketch | "but our ip addresses will never change" ...yeah, right ;) | 15:54 |
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elusiveother | yo | 15:54 |
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haukebruno | Sketch, we also use different names for different services. all of them are CNAMEs to 1 VIP for the beginning. if we need to split or _scale_ that VIP, we are easily able to perform that without any pain on the endpoint side | 15:59 |
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Sketch | not a bad idea | 16:04 |
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georgem1 | SamYaple: do they not use SSL for the endpoints? | 16:32 |
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SamYaple | georgem1: ssl is done at the ASA which has an external address | 16:39 |
SamYaple | there is a spattering of dns name in the config to make some stuff work, but never in the endpoints themselves | 16:39 |
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georgem1 | SamYaple: Ok, so they do SSL termination for the VIP/API endpoints at the firewall, and from there NAT to Haproxy | 16:45 |
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potato_farmer | How can I tell on which system a floating IP actually lives? (controller, hypervisor host, etc) | 18:42 |
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potato_farmer | while the floating IP works, none of the traditional ip commands show it on any system | 18:42 |
SamYaple | potato_farmer: the floating ip is associated with a port with another ip | 18:42 |
SamYaple | the instance itself is unaware that it has a floating ip | 18:43 |
potato_farmer | yes, I don't mean the instance, I mean the infrastructure | 18:43 |
potato_farmer | though I just realized it might be using ipv6 | 18:43 |
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potato_farmer | so I find that the instances send public traffic to the controller over private and then it gets out that way, shouldn't the instances use the public port on the hypervisor host instead? | 18:53 |
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vern | potato_farmer: depends on which release you're running and which dvr mode you're using | 18:56 |
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SamYaple | potato_farmer: _are_ you using DVR? | 18:58 |
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potato_farmer | Running liberty. Not sure about DVR. I didn't deploy this specific cluster. | 19:03 |
potato_farmer | will check | 19:03 |
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potato_farmer | no on DVR, thanks! | 19:05 |
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SamYaple | then all your floating ip traffic will be going to one of your l3 routers potato_farmer | 19:12 |
SamYaple | in the namespace of the network in question youll see the ip and rules | 19:13 |
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potato_farmer | yes, I think we need to redploy | 19:17 |
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SamYaple | phschwartz: if you want i suppose. you almost never _need_ too | 19:42 |
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DLX | Hi, i have a EMC VMX3 3300 iSCSI Storage array, but it dosn't support SMI-S so i can't use it with Cinder? is there any way i can just use this as an iSCSi Shared Storage across compute nodes? | 22:47 |
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iggy | you'd need something like clvm or a cluster filesystem to share it | 22:54 |
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DLX | Thanks | 22:54 |
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