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| mjones | Hey does anyone know where I can view my User Profile to see which services are exposed to me from the SDK? | 00:04 |
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| SamYaple | Sam-I-Am: help sanity check me please | 00:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | SamYaple: wat | 00:10 |
| SamYaple | what makes a tenant network a tenant network vs a provider network? | 00:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | a number of things | 00:11 |
| SamYaple | simply the Router:External : True? | 00:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | a) they're managed by tenants, not admins b) they exist entirely virtual | 00:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | a provider network interfaces at layer-2 with a real untagged or tagged network | 00:11 |
| SamYaple | ok in reference to this code: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/extensions/dns_integration.py#L292 | 00:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | tenant nets also require a router to get to provider nets | 00:12 |
| SamYaple | The only way that function returns false is if it is a flat non-external network.... at least thats all ive been able to feed it that works | 00:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats... interesting | 00:13 |
| SamYaple | basically external dns does not work for networks that have Router:External, but thats another issue i think | 00:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | that should only apply to fips | 00:14 |
| SamYaple | that function is called on all create_ports | 00:14 |
| SamYaple | but even for fips that doesnt make sense | 00:14 |
| SamYaple | _dont_ inform external dns if the port is on Router:External network | 00:14 |
| SamYaple | thats teh opposite of what you want | 00:14 |
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| SamYaple | im only exercising the mitaka code at the moment, but master doesnt look any better | 00:16 |
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| SamYaple | Sam-I-Am: move this to neutron maybe? | 00:18 |
| SamYaple | #openstack-neutron that is | 00:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 00:19 |
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| Mich | Well my workday began at 8 am. | 00:32 |
| Mich | Now it's 2:32 am | 00:32 |
| Mich | openstack.txt | 00:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | heh | 00:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | welcome to openstack | 00:34 |
| Mich | yeah | 00:36 |
| Mich | like, if I had to do a lot of bugfixing and all | 00:36 |
| Mich | but no | 00:36 |
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| Mich | oh my god and I have to write the documentation for all of this as well | 00:39 |
| Mich | kill me now | 00:39 |
| SamYaple | Mich: its openstack, no one writes documentation | 00:39 |
| Mich | yeah but I work at a university | 00:39 |
| Mich | for a research project | 00:39 |
| Mich | i cannot not write a full documentation | 00:39 |
| Mich | it is literally my job | 00:39 |
| SamYaple | well research something you can source from wikipedia | 00:40 |
| Mich | besides the whole building servers | 00:40 |
| Mich | lmao | 00:40 |
| Mich | i dont even do the research | 00:40 |
| Mich | i just do the infrastructure | 00:40 |
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| Mich | Also yeah | 00:41 |
| Mich | good luck not getting murdered if you source wikipedia | 00:41 |
| Mich | or any wiki* for that matter | 00:41 |
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| SamYaple | Mich: no you source wikipedias sources | 00:46 |
| Mich | oh yeah | 00:46 |
| Mich | i suppose that works | 00:46 |
| Mich | hm... | 00:47 |
| Mich | trying to install telemetry service | 00:47 |
| Mich | mongo --host 10.0.1.1 --eval ' | 00:47 |
| Mich | db = db.getSiblingDB("ceilometer"); | 00:47 |
| Mich | db.addUser({user: "ceilometer", | 00:47 |
| Mich | pwd: “cruiserVolerLight22", | 00:47 |
| Mich | roles: [ "readWrite", "dbAdmin" ]})' | 00:47 |
| Mich | what am I missing here | 00:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | if its on 16.04, the version of mongo changed, and so did the syntax | 00:48 |
| Mich | feck | 00:48 |
| SamYaple | u drop dis | 00:48 |
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| Mich | it is way too late for this shit ill do that tomorrow | 00:49 |
| Mich | maybe just rollback to the old mongodb version | 00:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats probably unpossible on 16.04 | 00:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | it comes with what it comes with | 00:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you'll just have to change the syntax | 00:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | like i said, the install guide for mitaka only supports 14.04 | 00:49 |
| Mich | yes yes | 00:52 |
| Mich | i just have to look up the syntax | 00:52 |
| Mich | I just have little brain for that left right now | 00:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | drink more | 00:55 |
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| Mich | i was about to say "at work!?" | 01:00 |
| Mich | then i remembers | 01:00 |
| Mich | its literally 3am | 01:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | booze helps :) | 01:01 |
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| Mich | yeah tomorrow ill just get shifaces | 01:01 |
| Mich | still have 3 litres of vodka under my bed | 01:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | heh | 01:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm out for the night too | 01:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | too much crap not working | 01:03 |
| Mich | rip | 01:03 |
| Mich | getting an error on the dashboard | 01:04 |
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| Mich | see ya sam | 01:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | seeya | 01:04 |
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| Mich | someone run my down on how to do VNC via an outside network | 02:06 |
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| SamYaple | Mich: horizon is the most common way | 02:09 |
| Mich | yeah, I have the dashboard installed. | 02:09 |
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| Mich | my controller is behind a gateway | 02:09 |
| SamYaple | the nova-novncproxy is the service that proxies VNC | 02:09 |
| SamYaple | so whatever you have doing LB, that must have that service there as well | 02:10 |
| SamYaple | next to keystone and horizon and what not | 02:10 |
| Mich | wait | 02:10 |
| Mich | I need keystone and horizon on the GW as well? | 02:11 |
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| SamYaple | technically not horizon? but keystone and nova-api and nova-novncproxy at the very least. | 02:11 |
| Mich | fuck me | 02:12 |
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| Mich | nothing can ever be easy | 02:16 |
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| SamYaple | it absolutely can. go ahead and open a port directly to your compute node 5900 | 02:17 |
| SamYaple | no auth, but thats easy | 02:17 |
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| Mich | still leaves the DNS problem | 02:20 |
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| Mich | wildcat’s server DNS address could not be found. | 02:22 |
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| SamYaple | i mean if youve got it configured with dns, then youve got to handle that | 02:34 |
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| SamYaple | either use an ip, or setup dns properly | 02:34 |
| Mich | wow rude | 02:35 |
| Mich | dns is set up properly | 02:35 |
| Mich | the GW hangs ona public IP | 02:35 |
| Mich | and I wanna access VNC via the internet | 02:35 |
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| SamYaple | good luck buddy! | 02:37 |
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| Mich | SamYaple, got it to work thanks a lot | 03:42 |
| Mich | no i need some sleep cause i just finished a 22 hour workday | 03:42 |
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| Qlawy | Is the info on this site still legit? http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/networking-ha-metadata.html | 07:09 |
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| caswitch | Hey guys. :) I have fuun wyth the database : I have a device_id (neutron) and I want to find the user_id who has launche this device. Where I can find this ? c: | 08:28 |
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| gnstck | hello all | 08:59 |
| caswitch | gnstck: Hello c: | 09:02 |
| gnstck | how are you caswitch ? | 09:02 |
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| caswitch | gnstck: Fine and you ? c: | 09:04 |
| gnstck | am good too thanks | 09:04 |
| gnstck | anyone here know about openstack associate learning guides? | 09:05 |
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| caswitch | No, sorry gnstck. =$ | 09:06 |
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| gnstck | no worries | 09:06 |
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| caswitch | c: | 09:07 |
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| hoverbear | Hi folks, I have some metadata in my "Instance Metadata" called "role" that I'd like to access from the instance. Is there a way to do this? I've been poking through neutron and glance but haven't seen anything | 09:35 |
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| hoverbear | Maybe it's in `nova meta`? It requires a user/pass though which is not practical | 09:38 |
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| cnf | hi, I am trying to set up a simple openstack install for playing with, is it normal all the pocesses take as much CPU as they can all the time? | 09:46 |
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| cnf | I have 6 processes taking 16% cpu +- all the time, each | 09:46 |
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| horse | Hi guys, i'm trying to install openstack following the user install guide for ubuntu on the openstack web site | 12:40 |
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| horse | i'm sturgginling to get nova-compute and nova-controller working | 12:41 |
| horse | i've seen a few other people on the web having the exact same issue as me | 12:41 |
| horse | in that AMPQ on the controller gives an error "connection_closed_abruptly" for nova-compute | 12:42 |
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| horse | is there a way to check which version of nova compute im using? and is there any docs which lists compatible versions of the varius components | 12:42 |
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| Kiriakos | Hi everybody, I'm trying to install Openstack Mitaka on Xenial, how can I work around add-apt-repository not letting me add the cloud-archive:mitaka repo? As of the openstack support model in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenStack/CloudArchive Mitaka should be allowed in Xenial installs. | 13:46 |
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| shirafuno | Currently posted in #openstack-neutron but to no anvil. I’m currently following the guide (https://www.rdoproject.org/networking/neutron-with-existing-external-network/) in order to get Hashicorp’s Packer to talk properly to OpenStack. Currently I have restarted the network service and trying to execute the command “neutron net-create external_network --provider:network_type flat --provider:physical_network extnet --router:external” which | 13:48 |
| shirafuno | returns that I need “an auth plugin to fetch a tokan” additionally my openstack instance, which was once located at 192.168.10.10, is now not being able to be communicated with through the web interface. Could anybody advise? | 13:48 |
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| jacob_ | Hi | 13:58 |
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| jacob_ | Can we migrate vm's from one cloud(icehouse) to other (liberty) with minimal downtime | 14:00 |
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| jacob_ | Anyone please help me to solve this | 14:00 |
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| jacob_ | I am actually confused. Please help | 14:01 |
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| electrocucaracha | jacob_: All depends, the services that you're running, the deployment method that you used, I'm not expert deploying OS but AFAIK your downtime will have a relationship with the size of your database | 14:03 |
| jacob_ | okay | 14:04 |
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| jacob_ | Can u suggest me any openstack methods? | 14:06 |
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| jacob_ | In this case live_migration doesn't work I think so, both are cloud of different versions | 14:07 |
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| jacob_ | i tried snapshot, but the problem is the updates | 14:07 |
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| D4RKS1D3 | Hi, someone knows how to list the lxc in a lxc-compute with lxc-ls ? | 14:12 |
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| electrocucaracha | jacob_: I remember that I read something about that in the operations guide, lemme take a look | 14:17 |
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| jacob_ | electrocucaracha: Okay, it would be helpful | 14:18 |
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| jacob_ | electrocucaracha: sorry, I lost connection | 14:27 |
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| jacob_ | Did you got that operation guide | 14:28 |
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| electrocucaracha | jacob_: I'm still looking for | 14:32 |
| jacob_ | okay | 14:32 |
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| johnmilton | hello, im having a problem where i attach/detach a volume (creating and deleting are fine) and it fails | 14:46 |
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| electrocucaracha | jacob_: sadly, I couldn't find the version for liberty, maybe this can helps http://docs.openstack.org/ops-guide/ops-upgrades.html | 14:52 |
| electrocucaracha | jacob_: more likely you have seen that before | 14:53 |
| jacob_ | yes | 14:54 |
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| jacob_ | anyway thanks | 14:55 |
| jacob_ | :) | 14:55 |
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| Deep_Thought | Hello, I don't find a doc on this. How long ceilometer keeps the data collected by default? | 15:09 |
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| Kiriakos | Any pointers to why Ubuntu Xenial does not support Mitaka? | 15:27 |
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| Kiriakos | http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/ only lists newton whereas https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenStack/CloudArchive shows that M is supposed to be the main release for xenial | 15:28 |
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| Kiriakos | Would love to get some response on this since the Internet doesn't seem to be very aware of this. | 15:29 |
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| fxpester | Kiriakos: cause Mitaka was released first, and only after it Xenial released | 15:31 |
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| Kiriakos | fxpester, OK, what exactly does this mean? I mean that is the usual way things go right? | 15:33 |
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| Kiriakos | release => distro | 15:33 |
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| fxpester | you can`t make your release compatible with some not yet released software, this is usual for all software | 15:34 |
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| fxpester | usually distro = release | 15:35 |
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| Kiriakos | Let's put it like this, Gnome gets released, then it's put into the repos. That's what I mean. | 15:36 |
| Kiriakos | But arguing semantics doesn't help me. | 15:36 |
| Kiriakos | What are my options for Openstack on Xenial then? | 15:36 |
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| Renich | Hello! o/ | 15:38 |
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| Kiriakos | Newton? Is that stable enough? Do I have a chance of getting anything out of devstack's stable/mitaka branch to work? | 15:38 |
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| Renich | I've been browsing around; looking for the answer to: what is the optimal file count per container? I came up with two answers 2^64 and <= 1,000,000 | 15:39 |
| Renich | does anybody have anything to add to this? | 15:39 |
| Renich | which is the recommended file count limit per container? | 15:39 |
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| Renich | The 1M answer is due to experience; the 2^64 is due to the MD5 limitation | 15:40 |
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| Kiriakos | So is Newton stable enough to actually work with? | 15:45 |
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| Kiriakos | Or is everybody installing Ubuntu Xenial screwed? | 15:46 |
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| Renich | Kiriakos: I did an installation on Xenial. Swift and Keystone | 15:48 |
| Renich | Kiriakos: but it's Mikata still | 15:48 |
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| Kiriakos | Renich from where did You install those? there is no Mitaka in Xenials CloudArchive http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/. Did You just use devstack? Or from source? | 15:58 |
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| Renich | Kiriakos: https://github.com/CloudSigma/bos | 15:59 |
| Renich | Kiriakos: add-apt-repository cloud-archive:mitaka is what I did | 16:00 |
| jidar | Sam-I-Am: looking over the way scenarios are divided up, there seems to be lots of "if vxlan ==" and "if vlan ==", are you planning on streamlining that as well? | 16:01 |
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| jidar | Sam-I-Am: ^ this is for the networking guides btw. | 16:02 |
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| Kiriakos | Hi Renich, ok, I'll look into that. thanks | 16:06 |
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| Kiriakos | Renich, the add-apt-repository You posted only works for trusty, are You sure You made it work on Xenial? | 16:07 |
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| Renich | Kiriakos: my swift installation works fine, so I think it does | 16:09 |
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| Renich | so, what's up? Any feedback on the subject of optimal number of objects per container? | 16:10 |
| Renich | come on, I'd like your opinion, Community | 16:11 |
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| Kiriakos | Renich that's what I get when running add-... https://s9.postimg.io/e22edt6fx/Screen_Shot_2016_08_24_at_14_26_07.png | 16:18 |
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| Kiriakos | Renich, regarding file limit, I'd say 1M is low but safe :-) | 16:19 |
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| drico | Hi, got problem setting up Vxlan / OVS, cannot get the VM to get DHCP | 16:24 |
| drico | the setup looks ok http://pastebin.com/DdLiP0M2 | 16:24 |
| drico | is there any mistake I made in openvswitch setup ? | 16:24 |
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| drico | should the ethernet interface be added in a br-eth ? | 16:28 |
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| Renich | Kiriakos: thanks man | 16:31 |
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| Renich | Kiriakos: gimme a minute to check my repo | 16:31 |
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| notmyname | Renich: I saw you asking questions about swift earlier | 17:20 |
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| notmyname | Renich: about object count per container | 17:20 |
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| SamYaple | notmyname: hows the sharding work going? its been a few months since I last asked | 17:26 |
| notmyname | about the same :-) | 17:26 |
| notmyname | well, it's still going | 17:26 |
| SamYaple | :) | 17:26 |
| notmyname | progress is being made, but it's not done yet | 17:26 |
| SamYaple | fair enough. just curious | 17:26 |
| notmyname | Renich: in case you see this later, here's my answer... | 17:27 |
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| notmyname | Renich: the recommended number of objects per container in swift depends on two things: (1) how many objects you want to add per second per container and (2) what sort of hardware you have referenced in the contianer rings | 17:28 |
| notmyname | Renich: for the second, I strongly suggest using flash. (SSDs are fine) | 17:28 |
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| notmyname | Renich: if you need to sustain eg 100 writes per second in a single container and you've got flash devices for the container storage, then you'll probably be looking at a few dozen million objects | 17:29 |
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| Renich | notmyname: thanks, man. That works | 17:30 |
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| JustinHitla | how much "thanks" equals in bitcoins ? | 17:30 |
| notmyname | Renich: but note that this is (1) write performance--reads are unaffected and (2) per container--so shard your data client-side to use lots of containers | 17:30 |
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| Renich | notmyname: yes, thanks. Your answer helps a lot. And, yeah, we're using SSDs and testing a ZFS setup actually | 17:31 |
| notmyname | Renich: almost all of any write performance penalty in large container has been eliminated in swift over the last year. but operationally, it's still a good idea to avoid truly huge containers. you don't want to try to replicate billion-row DBs | 17:32 |
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| notmyname | Renich: oh, interesting. I'd be interested to hear what kind of performance you get with that. last I saw (but it was a long time ago) ZFS had some pretty bad performance numbers when you get it reasonably full (lots of inodes) | 17:32 |
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| notmyname | Renich: also feel free to drop by #openstack-swift if you've got further questions | 17:34 |
| Renich | notmyname: well, we're trying it out in a very specific use case. One putter, and a lot of getters on the setup. For climatic data | 17:34 |
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| Renich | notmyname: sure thing, thanks | 17:34 |
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| brandor5 | hey guys, I'm working with mitaka and trying get internal dns working properly... I've got it working so that hosts have an entry in the internal dns for the dns_domain I've defined in neutron.conf... I'd like to have it use the dns_domain that's attached to the network it belongs to... anyone know how to accomplish this? | 18:04 |
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| SamYaple | brandor5: if you enabled teh ml2 extention driver 'dns' then youll just want to make sure you restart your services. although I think only neutron-server needs to be restarted for that to take effect | 18:06 |
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| SamYaple | also make sure yo uare testing on newly launched instances | 18:07 |
| SamYaple | even a hard reboot wont always refresh teh info | 18:07 |
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| brandor5 | @SamYaple: yep, I've tried all of those, but I'll try a reboot on the controller to make sure everything is updating | 18:08 |
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| brandor5 | no luck, guests are still getting the dns_domain configured in neutron | 18:23 |
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| brandor5 | I think it has to do with the network not being an externally accessible network | 18:36 |
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| brandor5 | scratch that, just found a slideshow with a demo from Miguel Lavalle showing exactly what I want to happen.. i guess i've just misconfigured somewhere | 18:43 |
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| SamYaple | thats a good slide set. there is a pretty big issue on mitaka though that only happens if you have a single subnet (more than one and youre fine) | 18:53 |
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| brandor5 | is this the one you're looking at? http://www.slideshare.net/MiguelLavalle/get-your-instance-by-name-integration-of-nova-neutron-and-designate | 18:54 |
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| SamYaple | brandor5: that name looks correct. i remember it from being in tokyo if thats teh same slideset | 18:55 |
| brandor5 | i also found this one that doesn't show the private net being updated.... only external | 18:55 |
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| brandor5 | http://www.slideshare.net/MiguelLavalle/integration-of-neutron-nova-and-designate-how-to-use-it-and-how-to-configure-it | 18:55 |
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| SamYaple | there is some strangeness as to what updates to be honest. im trying to get to teh bottom of it | 18:56 |
| SamYaple | whats desired even is unclear | 18:56 |
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| brandor5 | yeah, i'm starting to get a bit frustrated... | 18:57 |
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| SamYaple | the nova/neutron integraion piece is seriously lacking in users and documentation. there is no statement anywhere I can find about even _what_ it is supposed to do | 19:05 |
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| SamYaple | brandor5: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1616274 | 19:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1616274 in neutron "external dns doesnt get updated" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Sam Yaple (s8m) | 19:06 |
| SamYaple | brandor5: should provide some other insight | 19:06 |
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| brandor5 | thanks | 19:07 |
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| hoonetorg | what is the correct command to do live migration in mitaka | 20:07 |
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| qu | Anyone know what an "MML server" is? G**gle is baffled. | 20:29 |
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| Dougi | hi all, im new to openstack, but im very interesting to learn, so i have a ubuntu maas setup with a controller and 4 nodes deployed, but i dont know what next... and i kind of dont find any good dokumentation. can someone tell me how to find any good dokumentation on how to get juju installed correctly? | 20:37 |
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| SamYaple | qu: context? | 20:44 |
| SamYaple | hoonetorg: i believe youll still need to use `nova live-migration` | 20:45 |
| SamYaple | last i checked there was a bug in the openstackclient with live-migration | 20:45 |
| hoonetorg | SamYaple fails with no error | 20:45 |
| qu | SamYaple: WRT different example configurations that can be set up. | 20:45 |
| hoonetorg | or let's say: does nothing | 20:45 |
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| SamYaple | hoonetorg: it doesnt return any info | 20:46 |
| SamYaple | hoonetorg: you should check your scheduler logs | 20:47 |
| hoonetorg | SamYaple:no | 20:47 |
| hoonetorg | ok | 20:47 |
| SamYaple | sounds like it couldnt find a new place to scduler | 20:47 |
| SamYaple | qu: WRT? im confused. do you have a link to this document? | 20:47 |
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| qu | SamYaple: http://docs.hpcloud.com/pdf/HPE_Helion_OpenStack_3.0_Complete_Documentation.pdf | 20:48 |
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| qu | Well, maybe that's not so important a question if you haven't come across it. | 20:51 |
| qu | SamYaple: If I want to segregate my cloud into different departments (finance, manufacturing, etc), how could I do that securely? | 20:52 |
| qu | Nova Availability Zones doesn't seem to be it. | 20:52 |
| brandor5 | @SamYaple: I read up on the bug you posted and followed Miquel's steps and still pulled the dns_name set in neutron.conf and not what's attached to the network | 20:53 |
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| hoonetorg | SamYaple:libvirtError: internal error: Attempt to migrate guest to the same host 03000200-0400-0500-0006-000700080009 | 20:56 |
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| hoonetorg | it seems that hostid's are all equal | 20:56 |
| hoonetorg | bug when using cheap hardware for testing | 20:57 |
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| SamYaple | hoonetorg: there is a config value to allow you to migrate to the same host | 21:01 |
| SamYaple | but if yo uare saying the /etc/hostid or whatever it is is the same, you should fix that | 21:02 |
| SamYaple | qu moment, reading | 21:02 |
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| SamYaple | qu: hmm how do yo uwant the segreatation to occur? if those departments have thier own domain, or even project, they should be reasonably isolated | 21:02 |
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| qu | SamYaple: I want them absolutely divided from one another in some way, although they may share the same blade and disk farm. | 21:03 |
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| hoonetorg | SamYaple: libvirtd.conf host_uuid param to override i will try 1st :) | 21:06 |
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| hoonetorg | SamYaple: yeah works | 21:09 |
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| hoonetorg | SamYaple: also i found that https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1518059 | 21:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1518059 in python-openstackclient "Shared-Migration and Block-Migration are reversed" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 21:10 |
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| hoonetorg | if you say openstack migrate --live --block-migration when you want shared migration it works | 21:11 |
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| hoonetorg | *if you say openstack migrate --live <desthost> --block-migration when you want shared migration it works | 21:11 |
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| hoonetorg | :wallbash: | 21:12 |
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| SamYaple | hoonetorg: yea that sounds right. i just use the nova client for that. i dont want to think | 21:15 |
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| SamYaple | qu: so basically just not talking to each others networks? | 21:15 |
| SamYaple | qu: neutron does that out of the box | 21:15 |
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| qu | SamYaple: I mean completely preventing the possibility of communication between domains, of course. To prevent hackers or insiders from getting at things they shouldn't. We can't always rely on ppl to be honest. | 21:19 |
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| SamYaple | define "communication between domains" | 21:24 |
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| qu | Never mind. | 21:31 |
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| qu | ('It depends on what the meaning of "is", is...') | 21:33 |
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| SamYaple | qu: i get the feeling you dont fully understand your requirements | 21:40 |
| SamYaple | how esle would communication work if not over the network? | 21:40 |
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| SamYaple | no users from one domain dont have access to another | 21:40 |
| SamYaple | what are yo uasking? | 21:40 |
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| qu | Apparently you are not literate in security. We are not communicating for some reason. No sense in further discussion. | 21:41 |
| SamYaple | :) good luck getting help! | 21:41 |
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