Wednesday, 2016-09-14

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Sam-I-Amare you trying to start the neutron server manually, or did packstack return an error?00:00
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aim_openstackwhen I ran the command - "neutron net-list" , it just hangs...00:00
aim_openstackI am trying to start neutron server using systemctl - "systemctl restart neutron-server"00:01
aim_openstackpackstack got installed successfully earlier itself00:01
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aim_openstackI mean packstack installed openstack successfully earlier00:01
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Sam-I-Amwhat is the entire process name for that rootwrap process on 9696?00:04
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Sam-I-Amalmost sounds like they're trying to proxy something00:05
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aim_openstack[root@localhost /(keystone_admin)]# ps -aux | grep 3354 root      3354  0.0  0.0 193436  2796 ?        S    15:02   0:00 sudo neutron-rootwrap-daemon /etc/neutron/rootwrap.conf00:05
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Sam-I-Amwhats in that conf file?00:06
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aim_openstackhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/574857/00:09
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Sam-I-Amhmmm00:12
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Sam-I-Amif you kill it and it restarts, that means something is spawning it00:12
Sam-I-Amcan you tell what pid spawned it?00:12
aim_openstackyou mean the parent pid , right ?00:13
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aim_openstackHere is the pstree - [systemd(1)───sudo(3354)───neutron-rootwra(3362)00:15
aim_openstackMy bad, I was killing 3354 again and again and it kept getting respawned00:16
aim_openstackI will try killing 3362 and see if that works.00:16
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aim_openstackThat works !00:20
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aim_openstackThere were multiple rootwrap daemons running00:20
aim_openstacklistening on 969600:20
aim_openstackwhen I killed all of them, neutron-server took over and started listening on 969600:20
Sam-I-Amcool00:20
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aim_openstackThank you very much Sam-I-Am !00:21
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stewie925hello all, how do we invoke bashate and check if its already installed in the system?00:21
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Sam-I-Amstewie925: well, you probably use pip to install it00:23
stewie925hi Sam - thank you00:23
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stewie925in hindsight that was a stupid question00:23
Sam-I-Amheh00:24
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stewie925lol00:24
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stewie925(just install and it'll tell if it already exists)  lol00:25
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alexchadinhi, could someone help me with booting instance?10:02
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li4ick_Hello everybody. So I have two compute nodes. I've deployed a Debian Jessie VM on each of them. The controller node shows that they are active. Open vSwitch br-tun shows port vxlan-ac103010 on both compute nodes. I'd like to test if they can communicate between each other. How do I do that? What commands can I try?10:24
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Matti_Hi!10:28
Matti_quick question - is somebody is using docker nova driver in production ?10:28
Matti_mitaka version of cloud10:28
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Matti_li4ick - just login to the using key you provided and ping them. They should respond10:30
Matti_also you need security grouos to allow icmp and ssh10:30
Matti_from default it's not10:30
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li4ick_Hello again. So I spawned the VM on the compute node. Set up ssh, tcp, icmp security rules. I cannot ssh to my instance. I get this error: connect to host <assigned floating ip> port 22: No route to host12:31
li4ick_Any help?12:31
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pwestonany one have a guide for network troubleshooting? instances cannot get out using the external network13:10
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Sam-I-Ampweston: you could look at the networking guide and try to figure out where the packets are stopping13:11
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pwestonok, I'll give it a look. I have added complications of using Juju / lxd for deployment and hypervisor13:12
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pwestonI will take a close look at the guide13:12
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Sam-I-Amcan the vm ping the router's side of the external network?13:13
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pwestonneed to setup vnc13:24
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charmiHey everyone14:05
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charmiI was looking at OpenStack project and it really interested me.14:05
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charmiI would like to start off by fixing some newcomer bugs. Can anyone point me to some issues through which I can also learn the workflow?14:06
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charmiI'm really new to Open source but have experience with Python in general.14:07
charmiThanks14:07
Sam-I-Amcharmi: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html14:07
charmiThanks Sam-I-Am , taking a look14:08
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li4ick_Has anybody used the live-migration function in nova? I get this error: ERROR (BadRequest): <source node> is not on shared storage: Live migration can not be used without shared storage except a booted from volume VM which does not have a local disk.14:21
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Sam-I-Amthat error is accurate14:23
li4ick_Well, what can i do?14:24
Sam-I-Ameither implement shared storage or use a volume (cinder) for the instance14:24
Sam-I-Amby default, your instance is using ephemeral storage on the local compute node. it is not movable.14:24
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georgem1li4ick_: you could migrate with the "--block-migrate" flag14:34
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li4ick_georgem1: yep, that worked. But thansk Sam-I-Am, I actually started doing what you told me. Interesting stuff.14:39
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clilesso my liberty -> mitaka upgrade continues16:48
clilesI've isolated my issues down to the ports on instances created prior to the upgrade are "stuck"16:49
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clileswhen trying to detach a port from an instance I'm getting a PortNotFound error16:49
clilesso the question to anyone out there would be: am I now forced to manipulate the database or something tricky to get nova and neutron on the same page?16:50
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terjepersonally, I'd delete any stacks I was running prior to the upgrade18:45
terjethen, upgrade and restart any stacks/VM's/networks18:46
terjetoo late?18:46
terjenot an option?18:46
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myeagleflieshello19:27
myeagleflieswhat is the lowest number of machines to test openstack? ubuntu's page for autopilot claims it's 519:28
Sam-I-Amyou can test it on 1, but it doesnt really simulate a real environment19:28
myeaglefliesyou mean to set up several virtual nodes on it, right?19:29
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Sam-I-Amno, you can run everything on 1 physical box or VM19:29
myeaglefliesall right, right now I'm configuring my 1st VM to be used as Maas19:29
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Sam-I-Amwell, deployment tools might have other minimums19:30
Sam-I-Ambut openstack itself works on 119:30
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myeaglefliesok, trying to simulate real environment do I need special switch or somehting?19:31
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Sam-I-Amwell, a real environment would probably start with 1 controller node and 2 compute nodes19:31
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myeaglefliesall right, and what about storage?19:32
Sketchmyeagleflies: depends what you are trying to simulate.  you only need a special switch if you want to "simulate" vxlans, i think.  (or maybe vlans, but that's not very special)19:32
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Sam-I-Amvxlans are layer-3, so theres no need for a special switch19:33
myeaglefliesSketch: I am considering migrating my work environment towards Openstack and want to learn more about openstack19:33
Sam-I-Amvlans would require some additional switch functionality19:33
SketchSam-I-Am: i haven't used vxlan, i assumed they were for use with a vxlan switch.19:33
Sketchvlans require...a vlan-capable switch, which is basically any managed switch.19:33
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myeaglefliesok, and what about storage?19:33
myeagleflieswe have used HP proliant hosts for vmware and xen so far19:34
myeaglefliesI presume those can be used for openstack too?19:35
Sketchyeah19:35
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Sam-I-Amcinder can talk to a variety of storage backends19:35
Sketchopenstack is _basically_ just an automation system for kvm and a few other technologies19:35
myeaglefliesalso is there real advantage to have all the hosts identical? or is it ok to have some hosts different from others?19:35
Sam-I-Amgenerally speaking, compute nodes would have more cpu/ram than a controller node19:36
myeaglefliesmakes sense19:36
Sam-I-Ambut they dont have to be different as long as enough resources exist19:36
myeaglefliesyou mean they don't have to be identical?19:36
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Sam-I-Amas long as they have enough resources to do the things you need19:36
myeaglefliesright19:37
Sam-I-Amthe hosts that contain vms likely need more resources than a controller node19:37
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myeagleflieswhat about redundancy? I'd like to have redundant setup, by redundant I mean if anything fails it should be easy to move any service to other node19:38
Sketchsome of the deployment stacks like fuel make things simpler if your nodes (at least of a particular type, compute, controller, storage) are identical19:38
myeaglefliesok19:38
Sketchbut it's not required19:38
myeaglefliesso far we have 3 HP proliants servers19:39
Sketchgenerally for redundancy you want 3 controllers, at least 2 compute nodes, and some sort of shared storage.19:39
myeaglefliesand will be going to buy few more19:39
Sam-I-Amfor a proof of concept, those 3 nodes would be fine19:39
Sketch(which could be ceph storage spread out across compute/controller nodes)19:39
myeaglefliesok19:39
Sam-I-Amhowever, for a first installation, i would highly recommend using the install guide at docs.openstack.org rather than a deployment tool that doesn't really show you how stuff works19:39
myeaglefliesthe thing is those 3 nodes are used in production right now, so I need to buy few more to migrate everything19:39
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myeaglefliesok, so you're suggesting to learn more at the very beginning ;)19:40
Sam-I-Amyeah, its important to know how all the components work19:40
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Sketchmyeagleflies: yeah, that's kinda the way we went as well.  we had some existing proliant hardware, and a couple of spares.  we bought a few cheap non-redundant supermicro servers to use as controllers, then used the spare for compute nodes.  now we're in the process of moving VMs over to openstack, and will reclaim the old VM hosts as compute nodes once that's done.19:41
Sam-I-Amyou can also deploy openstack on VMs in another environment (like vmware) ... just dont expect performance19:41
myeaglefliesI think I will try my first setup on VMs using ubuntu + Maas or with autopilot19:41
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myeaglefliesso far we have used 2 nodes for VMware and 1 node for xen19:41
Sam-I-Ami gotta skate for a bit...19:42
myeaglefliesbut current setup is not redundant, also I hate to have two completely different virtualization platforme19:42
myeaglefliescool19:42
myeaglefliesenjoy! ;)19:42
myeaglefliesSketch: so you are also during migration right now?19:43
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Sketchmyeagleflies: yep.  but we're generally not directly migrating VMs, but setting up new ones and moving services on them over manually.19:43
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myeagleflieswhat do you use for backent storage?19:43
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myeaglefliesyep, I'm going to do the same19:44
myeaglefliesat least considering doing migration this way ;)19:44
myeaglefliesI need to learn more about openstack first19:44
myeaglefliesto decide if this is the way to go19:44
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myeaglefliesso far I heard compliments towards it19:44
myeaglefliesso decided to try it out19:44
Sketchmyeagleflies: ceph on compute nodes19:45
myeaglefliesso you do not have any special array designed for backend storage?19:46
Sketchnope19:46
myeaglefliesyou use just the drives within hosts?19:46
Sketchright19:46
myeaglefliesok19:46
myeaglefliesI didn;t know this is possible19:46
JamesHarrisonit's not really recommended19:46
myeaglefliesI thought special equipment for storage is needed19:47
myeaglefliesJamesHarrison: why? performance?19:47
JamesHarrisonmyeagleflies: generally you want to be able to scale storage independent of compute19:47
SketchJamesHarrison: for ceph, not for local storage.19:47
Sketchyou can use drives in hosts for local (non-ceph) storage, but if you lose a host, you will lose access to the data.19:47
myeaglefliesI want to avoid this19:48
Sketchceph replicates the data between hosts, so you can lose a host (or more, depending on how you set it up)19:48
myeaglefliesthis sounds good19:48
myeagleflieshow many copies is recommended? 3?19:48
JamesHarrisonSketch: I've dealt with ~120TB ceph clusters, I know what ceph is :)19:48
Sketchthe only thing i don't know is how well it will scale.  it's supposed to scale well, but we don't have the hardware available to really test it.19:48
JamesHarrisonmyeagleflies: depends on the cluster scale19:48
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JamesHarrisonputting ceph OSDs on compute hosts is not terribly scalable because storage and compute demands usually grow out independent of each other19:49
myeaglefliesJamesHarrison: so far we have just 2-3 TBs of data19:49
Sketchwe just use it for internal use, so we don't expect it to grow too big...but drive performance could become an issue at some point if it doesn't scale as well as we hope.19:49
myeaglefliesnot that much19:49
JamesHarrisonyou also put a bunch more $stuff on the compute nodes, so the compute performance is less predictable19:49
JamesHarrisonnot a big deal most of the time but ceph can chew CPU+network in rebuilds19:50
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myeaglefliesok19:50
JamesHarrisonwhich will happen if you've got a reasonable pile of disks in19:50
JamesHarrisonceph is great, but separate boxes and separate network19:50
myeaglefliesis there some guide recommendation towards setup for a small/medium size company?19:50
myeagleflieswe need it mostly for internal usage19:51
JamesHarrisonRHEL has a lot of good ceph guides etc - if you're just doing a few TBs of storage then you might find a single NAS is better (using iscsi) in terms of cost19:51
myeaglefliesso we do not expect to need to scale really fast19:51
JamesHarrisondoes it have to be highly available?19:51
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myeaglefliesnot sure, I'd say the worst case scenario would be to be able to fire up replacement host within an hour or so19:52
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JamesHarrisonif you can tolerate a single point of failure a single box hosting your storage with iSCSI exports is fine, you can archive to other disks/off-site (which you'd need to do with ceph, too, anyway) for disaster recovery, but if it's got to be reliable then go ceph19:52
JamesHarrisonceph, then19:52
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myeaglefliesok19:52
myeaglefliesI think it is better to avoid SPOFs19:53
myeaglefliesunless there will be huge difference in costs19:53
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JamesHarrisonyou will add plenty of cost if you want to avoid _all_ the SPOFs :)19:53
myeagleflieshaha19:53
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myeaglefliesno19:53
JamesHarrisonnetworking - ceph really needs 10G, so now you've got two 10G switches, 2-port 10G NICs in all your servers, etc19:53
myeagleflieswe can have some SPOFs but few services need to be relatively well available ;)19:53
JamesHarrisonhttps://www.redhat.com/en/resources?f[0]=field_resource_product%3A9341&f[1]=field_resource_type%3A1501 has some reference guides for Ceph19:53
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myeaglefliesthank you19:54
myeaglefliesok, so 10G is the way to go then..19:54
Sketch(we already had redundant 10G connectivity, so that part wasn't an issue for us)19:54
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JamesHarrisondoing a new build atm and going for 25G with enough port capacity to LAG up to 50G - NVMe SSDs chew bandwidth and some of our applications hammer i/o19:55
myeaglefliesheh19:56
JamesHarrisonif it's all HDD then 10G is fine, fast SSDs can saturate 10G or 20G LAGs19:56
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myeaglefliesI think we will go towards HDD since I do not predict the management to be willing to spend tons of money19:57
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myeaglefliesalso this is for internal use. currently we use 100mb and 1GB so 10 GB will be huge step upwards19:59
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VarikinI am working on adding support for Openstack to Spinnaker. Is there any recommendation on how to document the required services and API version for Openstack?20:00
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