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| jidar | you have two interfaces | 03:34 |
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| jidar | eth0 and eth1, both are going to have routes | 03:34 |
| jidar | but you likely shouldn't have two "default" routes | 03:35 |
| jidar | stew925: ^ | 03:35 |
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| frickler | stew925: https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1624773 you could try to apply the patch proposed there | 04:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1624773 in devstack "_configure_neutron_l3_agent fails with bad argument for iptables" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau) | 04:58 |
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| zaemon | hey guys, I can't get the networking to work. I've installed openstack using packstack - internal connectivity works fine, but the instances can't ping the external gateway | 10:17 |
| bsv | zaemon: did you check how far the packets go | 10:18 |
| bsv | do they exit the compute node | 10:19 |
| zaemon | from the virtual router namespace to the compute node, any further and all I see in the tcpdump are unanswered ARP requests | 10:19 |
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| zaemon | everything looks like it's configured properly according to what I've found on the Internet, but clearly something's wrong | 10:20 |
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| zaemon | not sure how to troubleshoot this further | 10:20 |
| bsv | any packets recieved at the neutron router? | 10:21 |
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| bsv | zaemon: lets move this to #openstack-neutron ;) | 10:21 |
| zaemon | bsv: sure | 10:22 |
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| sanjay | Hello, I have created a network in openstack, it is successfull but network:dhcp port status is always down. I am using OVS and Neutron-openvswitch-agent is also working. I dont see any error logs neither in neutron server not in openvswitch agent logs. Can anyone pleas guide | 10:26 |
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| bsv | sanjay: try on #openstack-neutron | 10:34 |
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| nikil22 | hi is there any nova api to take a periodic backup of all vm's running in a tenant | 11:27 |
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| Dave | Hey. I'm having a bit of an issue with Heat; I'm creating a stack with a Puppet manifest passed in as a SoftwareDeployment, but when requesting the DescribeStackResource info from the CFN server, it's complaining that Neutron can't find the network that's been created by the stack. Heat's configured to use trusts, and this has previously been working on a similar Juno setup. Using the token that's being us | 14:27 |
| Dave | ed by Heat, I can see that Neutron indeed claims to not know the network. Logged in as my normal user, however, I can see the network. Anyone have any ideas where I should be looking to try to figre out what's wrong/any extra info I should provide? | 14:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what release are you using now? | 14:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | my guess is the ownership of things has changed | 14:29 |
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| Dave | This is Liberty, I was sure I put that but apparently not! | 14:31 |
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| Dave | I couldn't see anything that looked too relevant in the Kilo or Liberty release notes/config change pages, but I may have just not known what I was looking for. | 14:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | does the config sort of look like this? http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-ubuntu/heat-install.html#install-and-configure-components | 14:36 |
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| Dave | Yup. Well, it looks sort of like http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-rdo/heat-install.html , which I went through, and I compared that against the Ubuntu one just in case there was an error in the RDO one. | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | there could be an error in there anyway | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | did you look at the mitaka one? | 14:39 |
| Dave | I didn't, I'll have a quick look there. | 14:39 |
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| Dave | Now that I look at it, my config looks slightly more like the Mitaka one - I'm using user_domain_name instead of user_domain_id. | 14:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats a function of the default domain going away in mitaka, that actually had a uuid of 'default' instead of a real uuid and a name | 14:42 |
| Dave | ah, interesting | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | it was for backward compat with keystone v2 | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | you'd probably see keystone errors somewhere if that part wasnt working | 14:42 |
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| Dave | The frustrating thing here is, of course, that I actually don't care about getting the details of the network, but I don't understand the keystone permissions/trusts configuration enough to know if it's possible that perhaps this user has only been given restricted permissions but the DescribeStackResource wants more. | 14:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | isnt there some magic about heat stack users and stuff | 14:49 |
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| Dave | There's certainly some kind of magic using trusts and things. But it's the kind of magic that I don't really understand. I know that it's created two users, one for the instance, and one for the puppet deployment, and I assume the latter is the one that's being used to request the metadata. | 14:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont know that much about heat | 14:53 |
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| catintheroof | Hi, i'm having a weird problem with openstack kilo (ubuntu 14.04, ovs 2.3.1) on a node i have a FIP namespace that is connected against 3 qrouters, from the FIP namespace, against a specific qrouter i have ping packet loss of all the vms attached against that qrouter (and of course from the outside) but i have no packet loss againt the vms running on the other two qrouters, did someone knows what might be happening or how ca i troubleshoot | 14:54 |
| catintheroof | something like this ? | 14:54 |
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| Dave | Sam-I-Am: thanks anyway | 15:00 |
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| horse | hi guys. why is it that when configuring neutron with openvswitch i need to create ex-br on the compute nodes? given that all external traffic flows via my network node? | 15:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | horse: no, not unless you want to use provider networks | 15:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, boot vms directly on provider networks | 15:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | most environments want the ability to use both provider and self-service networks | 15:06 |
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| horse | Sam-I-Am: ah ok. so provider networks would connect direct to each compute node? | 15:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you want vms to boot on them | 15:07 |
| horse | right gotcha | 15:07 |
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| horse | i have one provider network providing external connectivity, however i'm using tenent vxlan networks which only attach to this via a virtual router | 15:08 |
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| horse | so in my case all traffic to the provider flows via the network node | 15:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | which is ok, but not particularly redundant or performant | 15:09 |
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| horse | yeah gotcha | 15:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | what happens if the network node dies, or gets overloaded by traffic from a tenant? | 15:09 |
| horse | so i guess i'd need mutiple network nodes provding fail over HA? | 15:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yes | 15:12 |
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| aegiacometti | Hi there, i'm trying to find a way to check how much space is still available on a block storage node. Or someway to get a full capacitity of a block storage node. Without executing local operating system commands like lvs, vgs, pvs. I have reviewed all the dashboard and openstack command line with no success... any idea? | 15:36 |
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| catintheroof | Hi, i'm having a weird problem with openstack kilo (ubuntu 14.04, ovs 2.3.1) on a node i have a FIP namespace that is connected against 3 qrouters, from the FIP namespace, against a specific qrouter i have ping packet loss of all the vms attached against that qrouter (and of course from the outside) but i have no packet loss againt the vms running on the other two qrouters, did someone knows what might be happening or how ca i troubleshoot | 15:40 |
| catintheroof | something like this ? | 15:40 |
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| JP_ | morning | 15:46 |
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| JP_ | we're looking for OpenStack Developers to join the team in Dallas . | 15:46 |
| JP_ | referrals are welcome and paid for | 15:47 |
| JP_ | email james.robinson@onx.com | 15:47 |
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| bsilverman | Good morning Matt :) | 15:52 |
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| bsilverman | err Sam-I-Am | 15:53 |
| JP_ | we're looking for OpenStack Developers to join the team in Dallas | 15:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | bsilverman: moo? | 16:03 |
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| bsilverman | Sam-I-Am: talked to Darren yesterday about the Ops guide.. looks like we are going to double down on the focus for that and blow it up and rebuild | 16:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | woo | 16:05 |
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| bsilverman | Sam-I-Am: hard part is going to be finding qualified ops folks to help, but I'm sure that's a challenge everwhere. | 16:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | uh, yeah. plenty of qualified folks, but no one with any time or motivation to help with docs. | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | i've been beating that drum for about 3 years now | 16:07 |
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| bsilverman | Sam-I-Am: yeah, it's a shame. People don't realize that docs are what pulls OpenStack from being a science project to a solution. | 16:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you sound like me | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | there are some other parts of the problem too | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | but the big one is contributions from actual ops | 16:09 |
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| xHans | bsilverman: I'm new to OpenStack, but long-time ops and can help with docs | 16:10 |
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| bsilverman | xHans: That would be great, if you could contact daz@rackspace.com or /msg darrenc he will get you up to speed. | 16:10 |
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| xHans | bsilverman: ok | 16:10 |
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| bsilverman | Sam-I-Am: I have a lot of real Ops contacts but these guys are so buried in Fortune 100 production implementations that they hardly have time for their families much less docs. | 16:11 |
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| bsilverman | I combat the problem by not sleeping, not everyone has that fortitude and desire to die early :) | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | which is why they could just hand us docs and we could munge them into our structure, but a lot of those docs need laundering. | 16:12 |
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| bsilverman | yeah, some of the banking implementations, even if we could get their docs, would require major sanitizing. | 16:13 |
| bsilverman | and some of the fortune 100's have such enterprise-specific policies and tools that it may not be real useful unless we are talking purely business processes | 16:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think people are most interested in how people scaled openstack in a redundant/performant fashion | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | and not necessarily config files, just conceptual things to consider | 16:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | like "we got to 100 compute nodes and rabbit kept blowing up. we found neutron agent X was the issue. tweaking option X resolved it" | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | what we dont want is everyone getting starting in openstack having to reinvent the wheel | 16:16 |
| bsilverman | IE: some customers use tools like BeyondTrust powerbroker for priveledge elevation as a replacement for sudo. Well, let's just say that's a nightmare to set up correctly and bypasses rootwrap completely. Therefore, do we use that as a business process note, mentioning that project priveledge elevation exists but is handled by sudo/rootwrap? or do we simply not absorb it. | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, there's probably a lot of people in specific industries wondering how they can munge existing tools to meet some sort of compliance into openstack. merely stating that beyondtrust works with openstack is a plus. | 16:18 |
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| bsilverman | Absolutely, I would just want to make sure we keep the rabbit holes in check. | 16:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | i would expect a lot of meetings happen before any openstack happens, so being able to say "yeah, we know this works" gets past the suits | 16:19 |
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| bsilverman | I think we should keep the corner cases for a use case section and go with the majority ops topics and configurations. | 16:20 |
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| bsilverman | What I find is that new adopters don't know what they don't know about OpenStack Ops. | 16:21 |
| bsilverman | They try and leverage legacy ops to manage OpenStack and get frustrated when it's not a good fit. | 16:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, there's a lot of different theory | 16:22 |
| bsilverman | then they go to AWS because it appears easier. | 16:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we need to write content for people considering openstack and people using openstack (or in the process of deploying) | 16:22 |
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| bsilverman | yes, I would love to see a large section on "What is OpenStack and what problems does it solve/create." Another chapter called "cultural adoption." | 16:24 |
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| bsilverman | Maybe even have a multi-step program on OpenStack / DevOps adoption in an enterprise. | 16:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we get a lot of questions about that in here | 16:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | which usually means we're lacking docs, or docs people can find | 16:25 |
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| bsilverman | That reminds me, that would be an interesting study, to somehow grab the question data out of #openstack and do some analysis on it. | 16:26 |
| irtermite | much truth Sam-I-Am | 16:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think a lot of people want the same thing, but no ones willing to make the goes (for a number of reasons) | 16:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | well, i'll say this... since we made the networking guide, i see a lot fewer networking questions (and disasters) | 16:27 |
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| bsilverman | I think time is at a premium for most people so they tend to focus on what differences they can make in a very specific area | 16:28 |
| irtermite | Sam-I-Am: yea, I started a collection of questions and missing docs 3 years ago, but never finished it. Seems to be common. People have great ideas, and want to help improve, but get side-tracked on other projects. | 16:28 |
| irtermite | exactly bsilverman | 16:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | and that specific area is usually not docs :) | 16:29 |
| irtermite | indeed | 16:29 |
| irtermite | heh | 16:29 |
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| bsilverman | haha no, for some reason no one likes docs. | 16:29 |
| irtermite | because, why would you doc what you know what you are working on? | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, there's historic reasons for that too | 16:30 |
| irtermite | pft, I love docs | 16:30 |
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| * irtermite creeps away before voluntold | 16:30 | |
| Sam-I-Am | docs was like a walled garden, where most people were outside of it | 16:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | for a looooooong time | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | and its hard to reverse that impression | 16:31 |
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| bsilverman | I wrote docs early on with Anne and it really was a pain doing all of that XML, people who could write docs also didn't want to have to use all of the same CI/CD and deal with those issues. | 16:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yep. so now thats all gone. | 16:34 |
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| bsilverman | yea, but people still think it's not. | 16:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats hard to fix | 16:37 |
| bsilverman | It used to frustrate me that I wrote one paragraph and it took 12 patch sets to get it merged because I had 20 different people arguing over my verb choices. | 16:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | now that we're using sphinx/rst everywhere, it would be nice to give projects the option of keeping any amount of docs in-tree | 16:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, yeah. | 16:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so i've sort of fixed this with neutron, which never used to contribute docs | 16:38 |
| bsilverman | Most of those arguing were not native engish speakers. | 16:38 |
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| bsilverman | and I have a degree in English Communications :) | 16:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | i say... contribute something technically accurate and tell the docs team when its ready for review. either we'll make the changes, or let you know whats wrong once. | 16:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, there's a lot of non-native folks in docs now and its a big headache | 16:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | however its nice to know when something we think is normal doesn't translate well | 16:39 |
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| bsilverman | So, I can see why people hide from docs. Takes a special desire to want to write technical docs and a patient person to deal with the approval workflow and tools. | 16:40 |
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| bsilverman | But, I think as a docs community we can always do better job of onboarding people into the whole process. | 16:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think the issue is science project vs. product. lots of developers still think openstack is a science project. that is, anyone using it should be a solid python developer. rtfc. however, as openstack becomes more popular, that needs to go away. | 16:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | vmware doesnt require development skills to operate | 16:43 |
| bsilverman | Especially those who would be writing Ops content. For the most part they are not developers. | 16:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | and we're tossed into the bin with things like vmware | 16:43 |
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| bsilverman | Yes, the ever present VMware. | 16:43 |
| ravden | hi all | 16:43 |
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| ravden | is it possible to take part in outreach programme while being employed? | 16:44 |
| ravden | if the employer has no objection with it? | 16:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | no idea | 16:46 |
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| ravden | anyone here can help me with this? | 16:47 |
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| JP_ | we're looking for OpenStack Developers to join the team in Dallas | 16:48 |
| bsilverman | JP_: Are you alive or are you a bot? | 16:48 |
| JP_ | I'm alive !! I'm Alive ! | 16:48 |
| JP_ | inmy best Frankenstein voice | 16:48 |
| bsilverman | JP_: I sent you a bunch of PrivMsgs | 16:48 |
| JP_ | oh sorry .. | 16:49 |
| xHans | bsilverman: town crier, "It's 10 AM and all's well and we're hiring..." | 16:49 |
| bsilverman | Please check them | 16:49 |
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| bsilverman | xHans: I'll take care of the job spam, JP_ works for my company. | 16:50 |
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| JP_ | ha ha .. .thanks Ben ! | 16:50 |
| JP_ | I appreciate the info | 16:50 |
| bsilverman | np JP_ if you want some suggestions ping me on the company IM | 16:51 |
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| xHans | bsilverman: aha :) | 16:52 |
| bsilverman | Yeah, we have a need for some developers for a fortune 20 company that we're doing some implementation work with | 16:52 |
| bsilverman | and we all know how hard it is to get good developer help | 16:52 |
| bsilverman | so I can't blame JP_ for trying :) | 16:53 |
| xHans | it's good for a community to have job posting and seeking options | 16:53 |
| JP_ | trying to pull out all the stops | 16:53 |
| ravden | is it a remote job? | 16:53 |
| JP_ | unfortunately not | 16:54 |
| * xHans is especially appreciative of that right now :) | 16:54 | |
| bsilverman | Unfortunately this company is very hands on, they have some great guys now and an architect that will probably lead them to a Superuser award in the next year or two, | 16:55 |
| bsilverman | but they want their team to do f2f collaboration. | 16:55 |
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| bsilverman | I'm seeing this more with some of the larger OpenStack customers, especially those doing constant rolling upgrades and have adopted Agile methodologies. | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | dallas = no, heh. | 16:56 |
| prg3 | Anyone running Windows 10 in an Openstack VM? I can run it locally in KVM, but upload it to the Openstack server and it freezes on the boot splash screen | 16:56 |
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| bsilverman | Sam-I-Am: what? too close to Austin? :) | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | agile is something new to a lot of companies | 16:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | especially when they dont see openstack as development | 16:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | bsilverman: uh, its in a state starting with T | 16:57 |
| bsilverman | heh, so no Tennessee either? | 16:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | probably not | 16:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | you're also too close to tony romo | 16:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | i might start throwing my patches to the defense, then going out on injury for the season | 16:58 |
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| bsilverman | I'm not in Texas, even if I was I still wouldn't be a Cowgirls fan :) | 16:59 |
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| bsilverman | I was raised in Pittsburgh in the 70's and have been in Arizona for 13 years now, so I'm a reformed Steelers fan turned Cardinals fan. | 16:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i thought your company was there | 16:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | hmm ok, thats not as bad | 17:00 |
| xHans | bsilverman: where in AZ? | 17:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | problem is i cant give you crap about dallas | 17:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | so you're not eating your own dog food with the job thing :) | 17:00 |
| bsilverman | Well, yes, we have an office in Dallas, we also have one in Phoenix, Toronto and NYC/ | 17:00 |
| * xHans is in Phoenix | 17:00 | |
| Sam-I-Am | bsilverman: this is onx? | 17:00 |
| bsilverman | yes. | 17:00 |
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| bsilverman | xHans: I actually live in Queen Creek. | 17:00 |
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| bsilverman | I came to Onx a few months ago from Mirantis. | 17:01 |
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| xHans | bsilverman: ah, way out there :) | 17:01 |
| bsilverman | xHans: yes, it's nice out here in the desert :) | 17:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | i used to sell brocade gear to onx | 17:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | in a prior life | 17:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | back in those days, there was very little interest from vars in openstack... or cloud in general. | 17:02 |
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| bsilverman | Sam-I-Am: very cool, like most VARs, OnX had to pivot awhile back and get into services since margins were shrinking on durable IT goods. | 17:04 |
| xHans | bsilverman: we have some east valley events, http://www.phxlinux.org/ | 17:04 |
| bsilverman | xHans: We had our Phoenix OpenStack meetup last night with Vladimir U. from Zabbix :) | 17:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | bsilverman: that makes sense | 17:04 |
| bsilverman | It's held at NetApp in Scottsdale. Free pizza and beer once a month. | 17:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | i know vmware margins were particularly low, so its surprising to see uptake in openstack... but there's a lot more servicey stuff in openstack too. | 17:05 |
| xHans | bsilverman: I need to finally get out to that, had PTA mtg last night | 17:05 |
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| xHans | would have been good to talk to someone from Zabbix | 17:05 |
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| bsilverman | xHans: It was fun. The message from Zabbix was: We don't care if it's OpenStack, we monitor it as another application/hardware/network. We also have community configs that do XYZ. | 17:06 |
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| xHans | bsilverman: cool, Zabbix is what I plan on using initially for my personal stacks | 17:08 |
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| bsilverman | Sam-I-Am: yeah, I think a lot of VAR/SIs are now starting to realize they should at least be able to talk OpenStack if not provide architecture/deployment/development services. | 17:08 |
| * xHans will try to make it next Wed | 17:08 | |
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| bsilverman | The actual next meetup is on Oct 21st in Chandler with Plumgrid, there is some Red Hat microservices thing that they wanted us to cross promote, so yea, that's happeing too. | 17:10 |
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| xHans | ah, so that's a different group | 17:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | bsilverman: i was pushing that in 2012 and 13 | 17:11 |
| bsilverman | Well, I think it's from the DevOps Phoenix meetup, but Toby, the Red Hat guy is a local TAM here and a hell of a nice guy, so I suggested he cross post. | 17:11 |
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| xHans | ok | 17:12 |
| bsilverman | Sorry, it's from the Red Hat Software User's Group | 17:13 |
| bsilverman | and it's in Tempe | 17:13 |
| bsilverman | Containers - Real World Microservices with Spring Cloud, Netflix OSS and Kubernetes | 17:14 |
| xHans | yeah, Insight's prison^Woffice | 17:14 |
| bsilverman | haha | 17:14 |
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| bsilverman | yea | 17:14 |
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| bsilverman | Sam-I-Am: where are you located now? | 17:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | bsilverman: denver | 17:15 |
| bsilverman | Ahhh oka, IBM country. | 17:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | i... guess? | 17:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | its more like broncos country | 17:16 |
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| bsilverman | I though you were going to say Peyton Manning country but now I guess his protege' will have to shine. | 17:18 |
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| bsilverman | I heard his receivers are still leery about his ability to go deep. | 17:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, his protege is in texas now | 17:19 |
| bsilverman | Oh yeah, that's right. | 17:19 |
| bsilverman | well, he's still not able to go deep. | 17:20 |
| bsilverman | :) | 17:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | not my problem! | 17:20 |
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| bsilverman | Well, Seimian doesn't look bad per se. | 17:21 |
| bsilverman | He's no Kurt Warner | 17:21 |
| bsilverman | :) | 17:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | no, he doesnt | 17:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | and he's no romo | 17:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | worse yet, cutler | 17:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | i have no idea how chicago keeps that guy | 17:22 |
| bsilverman | Poor Jay, history will not be kind to him. | 17:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | he sucked here too | 17:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | and that was years ago | 17:22 |
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| codo | Where is the starting point on github code for openstack nova component ? | 17:26 |
| codo | I have read the documentation for the nova component, but wondering where to start for the nova component | 17:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | did you read the docs on developer.openstack.org ? | 17:27 |
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| codo | Sam-I-Am: that site seems to be only SDKs | 17:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | how about this one? grep -v '^$\|^\s*\#' | 17:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | errr | 17:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html | 17:33 |
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