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| crazybugs | anyone using FWaaS? | 03:57 |
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| haukebruno | crazybugs, yep. but just on a small dedicated platform | 03:59 |
| crazybugs | haukebruno, I am evaluating when FWaaS can help to perofrm source based routing | 04:00 |
| crazybugs | what I wanted to do is | 04:00 |
| crazybugs | I have incoming IP address with different port address | 04:01 |
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| crazybugs | and based on the IP address + port address, and then routing to different instances in tenant network | 04:01 |
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| haukebruno | crazybugs, well. I got no clue :D we use just v1 for some simple packet filter rules, that works pretty good. from horizon perspective it doesn't seem that you can add that kind of logic to a fwaas, but I may be wrong here | 04:06 |
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| crazybugs | um... | 04:11 |
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| crazybugs | haukebruno did u use dvr? | 04:16 |
| haukebruno | nope, l3ha here | 04:17 |
| crazybugs | it seems that I need to use FWaas + DVR to achieve my goals | 04:17 |
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| crazybugs | anyone using dvr? | 04:53 |
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| crazybugs | anyone? | 05:23 |
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| masuberu | hi | 05:27 |
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| crazybugs | nayone using FWaaS with DVR? | 05:31 |
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| masuberu | in which case would you create a new subnet under the same network instead of creating anew network? | 05:34 |
| masuberu | I mean what are the different use cases for deploying 2 subnets under same network and having them separated to their own network? | 05:35 |
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| jidar | masuberu: I assume it's possible to have a network available across AZ's but a single subnet may not span AZs. Don't quote me on that though | 05:50 |
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| masuberu | jidar, sorry what AZ stands for? | 05:52 |
| jidar | availability zone | 05:53 |
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| masuberu | I just did a test, I have 2 subnets no the same network, then i created an instance and assigned it that network | 05:56 |
| masuberu | it took an IP form the second subnet I just created but subsequently attached interfaces were taking the IP from the other subnet | 05:57 |
| masuberu | not sure if I explained myself properly | 05:57 |
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| masuberu | so 2 subnets (192.168.1.0/24 and 192.168.2.0/24) under the same network | 05:58 |
| masuberu | then i created an instance and it took an IP of the 192.168.2.0 | 05:58 |
| masuberu | then I attached 4 new interfaces | 05:58 |
| masuberu | all of them took IPs from the 192.168.1.0/24 | 05:59 |
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| crazybugs | masuberu, check whether all the VLANs support DHCP or not | 06:05 |
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| masuberu | crazybugs, yes they did each subnet has a DHCP, that is why the instance took an IP from 192.168.2.0 in the first place | 06:06 |
| crazybugs | I never hit this. I have 6 interfaces, each of them can learn the corresponded IP from its VLAN | 06:07 |
| masuberu | the thing is that I can't select the subnet when I attach an interface or when I create an instance (at least from horizon) | 06:07 |
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| crazybugs | properly it is not owned by you or not in the AZ | 06:07 |
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| masuberu | crazybugs, mmm I think I am confused with the term AZ, need to read about that | 06:09 |
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| veena | Hi, how do I skip OVS installation completely while using devstack? | 10:50 |
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| veena | I have compiled and installed ovs and I want neutron to use this instead of the ovs from git mainstream repo. Is there any option for it? | 10:51 |
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| luksky | hi | 12:32 |
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| luksky | i have following problem, please take a look: | 12:32 |
| luksky | http://pasteboard.co/87T1u4qjc.png | 12:32 |
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| luksky | where i should start digging to find why it take so long | 12:41 |
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| rewbycraft | I'd say your storage backend. | 12:44 |
| rewbycraft | In my experience resizes can take quite a bit of disk io | 12:44 |
| rewbycraft | But that's just my 2 cts | 12:44 |
| haukebruno | yes, or maybe your network of you resize across hosts | 12:44 |
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| rewbycraft | Ah yes, or if your storage is across the network | 12:45 |
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| luksky | the change was only for RAM - is it posible that IO is also | 12:47 |
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| luksky | 'used' then ? | 12:47 |
| rewbycraft | If you changed swap, then it'll try to recreate the swap dis | 12:48 |
| rewbycraft | *disk | 12:48 |
| luksky | client changed from 4 to 8 GB ram | 12:48 |
| luksky | ok... | 12:48 |
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| rewbycraft | Also, migrations could've happened like haukebruno said | 12:48 |
| rewbycraft | You can probably find it in a logfile somewhere | 12:49 |
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| luksky | I use ceph now | 12:53 |
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| luksky | can You advice, if there is any other (good) choice ? | 12:53 |
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| luksky | this is general question :) | 12:53 |
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| rewbycraft | Ceph is quite nice. But I really recommend having dedicated disks for the journal | 12:55 |
| rewbycraft | Preferably ssds | 12:55 |
| rewbycraft | I tried ceph with shared disks. That was a giant performance nope | 12:56 |
| rewbycraft | (shared disks as in journal and data on the same disk) | 12:56 |
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| luksky | I'm using this kind of setup, as You stated. For journal I'm using SSD. | 13:00 |
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| hjohnson803 | Is anyone on here who could possibly help with DVR on Newton? | 13:14 |
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| paw | Hi, I have devstack setup in multinode + nfs for the nova instances. I'm running in to issues for live migration. I see libvirt permission errors about console.log and disk. I have /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf user/group set to root and dynamic_ownership set to 0, serial_console is disabled. live_migration_flag=VIR_MIGRATE_UNDEFINE_SOURCE,VIR_MIGRATE_PEER2PEER,VIR_MIGRATE_LIVE | 15:02 |
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| dostoyevsky | https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/vps-ssd.xml <- what does the label "OpenStack KVM" mean for their VPS servers? | 16:01 |
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| rewbycraft | dostoyevsky: It means it's a VM running on OVH' OpenStack cluster using a KVM hypervisor. | 16:03 |
| rewbycraft | Basically, it's running on their new infrastructure | 16:04 |
| rewbycraft | Not their old infra | 16:04 |
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| dostoyevsky | rewbycraft: Yeah, but how do I access the OpenStack services on there? I mean they are selling 20GB SSD--will that be accessed through cinder? | 16:05 |
| dostoyevsky | Does cinder emulate a normal file system? | 16:06 |
| rewbycraft | Are you familiar with openstack or not? | 16:06 |
| rewbycraft | Because based on your question, you are not | 16:06 |
| rewbycraft | In which case I will tell you: As a user it doesn't matter much to you | 16:06 |
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| dostoyevsky | rewbycraft: I am still learning... but I know that in AWS you can't just store stuff on your local disk | 16:06 |
| rewbycraft | On OVH's setup you can | 16:07 |
| dostoyevsky | because instances go away | 16:07 |
| dostoyevsky | oh, ok | 16:07 |
| rewbycraft | What OVH does is unlike AWS | 16:07 |
| rewbycraft | It's not meant for scaling wide like AWS is | 16:07 |
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| rewbycraft | Or, at least, not as far as I know | 16:07 |
| dostoyevsky | https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/api-restful.xml <- and these APIs, are they based on OpenStack? OS uses Rest internally too, no? | 16:08 |
| rewbycraft | Lemme check | 16:08 |
| rewbycraft | Oh, no | 16:08 |
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| rewbycraft | I don't think it is | 16:08 |
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| rewbycraft | dostoyevsky: Doesn't look to be based on the OpenStack apis. Probably calls them internally | 16:09 |
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| dostoyevsky | Yeah, OS as unstable APIs anyways, so maybe good to put a facade up front | 16:10 |
| rewbycraft | That said, you probably don't need to access them. | 16:10 |
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| rewbycraft | OVH just uses cinder disks as root disks | 16:10 |
| rewbycraft | So they're just /dev/vda to you as a user | 16:10 |
| dostoyevsky | Oh... cinder is that flexible that it seems like a normal disk? Cool | 16:11 |
| rewbycraft | Yeah, to libvirt it's just a normal disk backend | 16:11 |
| rewbycraft | Well. there's a bit more to it | 16:11 |
| rewbycraft | But to the guest OS, it's just a disk | 16:11 |
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| rewbycraft | For reference, here's my OVH OpenStack KVM vps: https://ss.roelf.org/screenshot-17-12-02.png | 16:12 |
| rewbycraft | Just a normal disk | 16:12 |
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| dostoyevsky | rewbycraft: :) And what kind of IO can you do per S? 200M? | 16:13 |
| rewbycraft | I can check | 16:13 |
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| rewbycraft | 72MB/s | 16:14 |
| rewbycraft | Not too bad, given that it's networked storage | 16:14 |
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| dostoyevsky | rewbycraft: Yeah, and switches are expensive | 16:16 |
| rewbycraft | It's OVH, they have a lot of expensive networking gear | 16:16 |
| dostoyevsky | faster than my kimsufi local disk :) | 16:16 |
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| rewbycraft | Are they really using such bad disks now? | 16:16 |
| rewbycraft | I used to have a kimsufi, but that one could easily do 150+MB/s | 16:16 |
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| dostoyevsky | 3634655232 bytes (3.6 GB, 3.4 GiB) copied, 58.4594 s, 62.2 MB/s | 16:21 |
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| dostoyevsky | rewbycraft: yeah, it's actually quite fast | 16:22 |
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| dostoyevsky | I guess it's my sqlite files which are too large... 3G :-/ | 16:30 |
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| dostoyevsky | Still, a local SSD can easily give you like 400M/s, so the kimsufi SSD is a bit slow | 16:36 |
| dostoyevsky | But I guess for that OVH would need 1GBit ethernet internally | 16:37 |
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| dostoyevsky | Is cinder more reliable than just a local hard disk? Does it provide more data safety out of the box? The wiki makes it seem to be only an abstraction for block storage without any added reliability | 19:03 |
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| Sketch | pretty much everything in openstack is an abstraction for other things | 19:04 |
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| dostoyevsky | Sketch: Well trove brings a lot more scalability and data safety than just using a local postgreSQL.. | 19:06 |
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| dostoyevsky | at least jugded from the description blub | 19:06 |
| dostoyevsky | blurb even | 19:07 |
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| dostoyevsky | Whereas e.g. with AWS EBS is automatically replicated... it happens automatically. And while it might not provide 100% data-safety, it's ok it practice | 19:09 |
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| dostoyevsky | And there is also AWS Elastic File System which brings even more reliability | 19:11 |
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| dostoyevsky | But it seems to me that Cinder is EBS without any replication | 19:12 |
| Sketch | it's basically a block device abstraction | 19:13 |
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| Sketch | you should run it on some sort of raid, or something like ceph | 19:13 |
| Sketch | really, you need something like ceph (or some other distribute/clustered fs) to be able to migrate VMs | 19:13 |
| Sketch | transparently, anyway | 19:13 |
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| demtwistas | i think the earlier versions of openstack had issues with Live Migrate even though the underlying storage was CEPH | 19:14 |
| Sketch | some sort of shared storage. you can migrate hosts between local storage, but you have to wait for the image to be transferred, which can be time consuming | 19:14 |
| demtwistas | hopefully thats fixed in Mitaka and Newton | 19:14 |
| dostoyevsky | So ceph + cinder would be something like EBS? | 19:14 |
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| Sketch | we're using ceph and it seems to be fine, though we have yet to do much migration of production systems. | 19:14 |
| Sketch | (using mitaka) | 19:14 |
| Sketch | dostoyevsky: probably. i'm not sure what the back end of EBS is actually like. | 19:15 |
| demtwistas | yes we are just now moving to Liberty | 19:15 |
| demtwistas | and will shortly upgrade to Mitaka | 19:15 |
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| demtwistas | but we do have troubles with Live Migration in Liberty | 19:16 |
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| dostoyevsky | demtwistas: Do APIs change a lot between releases? | 19:18 |
| dostoyevsky | I plan on using OpenStack Rest APIs in an application .. :/ | 19:18 |
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| dostoyevsky | But just reading ask.openstack.org answers from a couple of years ago made me realize that most command-line tools changed a lot in the last years | 19:19 |
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| demtwistas | yes there is alot of enhancements in the API's and backend code for every major release | 19:35 |
| demtwistas | the latest one was Newton i believe | 19:35 |
| dostoyevsky | Are stable APIs an aim? | 19:36 |
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| SamYaple | dostoyevsky: basically, you only need `openstack` from python-openstackclient | 21:27 |
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| SamYaple | dostoyevsky: however for some specific commands you might need the service specifc tool. at laest for now | 21:28 |
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