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| SamYaple | masber: im not sure about this "fairly well documented how slow it is" nonsense | 02:32 |
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| SamYaple | jidar: do you have some more info on that? | 02:32 |
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| SamYaple | masber: so the virtio network driver is only 10gbit. what driver are you using that is doing 10+ Gbit? | 02:33 |
| masber | I would understand that ovs configuration is limited per connection to avoid a small number of vms to occupy most of the link, however I am curious about how this mechanism works | 02:34 |
| SamYaple | os is virtio 40gbit? | 02:34 |
| SamYaple | or* | 02:34 |
| masber | SamYaple, how can Icheck that? | 02:34 |
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| SamYaple | masber: in the vm `ethtool` can give you that info | 02:34 |
| SamYaple | im checking mine too | 02:35 |
| SamYaple | i only have 10gbit per node so ive never actually checked | 02:35 |
| SamYaple | but I can get 8-9gbit vm<-->vm communication with vlan | 02:35 |
| SamYaple | significantly less for vxlan though, only 3-4 | 02:36 |
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| masber | ethtool eth0 does not tells me the speed | 02:38 |
| masber | it just says "Link detected: yes" | 02:39 |
| SamYaple | masber: yea it hsould also have a "speed: unknown!" part | 02:39 |
| SamYaple | so some quick googling shows this links, being paravirtualized, dont have any true "speed" | 02:40 |
| SamYaple | so you can get higher than 10gbit on a single node | 02:40 |
| SamYaple | ive never really looked into it since i dont have faster than 10gbit links between my computes | 02:40 |
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| SamYaple | it may be an actual bottleneck for performance somewhere at 16Gbit | 02:41 |
| SamYaple | what speeds are you expecting? | 02:42 |
| masber | not sure, my hosts are connected through a high performance switch | 02:42 |
| masber | each host has 2x 25GB bond | 02:42 |
| SamYaple | i see i see. let me do some googling and some same-host testing | 02:43 |
| SamYaple | masber: are you using the hybrid iptables driver? | 02:43 |
| masber | but I am testing the network on 2 vms living on the same host, is networking involved? | 02:43 |
| SamYaple | or the openvswitch native firewall? | 02:43 |
| SamYaple | yes | 02:43 |
| SamYaple | the security groups are processed | 02:43 |
| masber | my setup is plain centos7 on the host and openstack deployment through kolla-ansible | 02:44 |
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| SamYaple | masber: look at you ml2_conf.ini. what does it have for "filewall_driver" | 02:45 |
| SamYaple | firewall_driver* | 02:45 |
| SamYaple | and if it doesnt have anything, what version of openstack are you running? | 02:45 |
| masber | let me check | 02:45 |
| masber | firewall_driver = neutron.agent.linux.iptables_firewall.OVSHybridIptablesFirewallDriver | 02:46 |
| masber | :q | 02:46 |
| SamYaple | you are using the iptables hybrid driver | 02:46 |
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| SamYaple | would be worth it to try the native openvswitch one | 02:46 |
| masber | that is on the control node /etc/kolla/neutron-server/ml2_conf.ini | 02:46 |
| SamYaple | change that to 'firewall_driver = openvswitch' and reconfigure kolla | 02:47 |
| masber | but the difference is way too big | 02:47 |
| SamYaple | what different? | 02:47 |
| SamYaple | difference* | 02:47 |
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| masber | betweek the raw performance on the NICs and what I get using iperf | 02:47 |
| masber | from the vms | 02:47 |
| SamYaple | oh of course. but on the same node, this isnt hitting the nics at all | 02:47 |
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| SamYaple | right now when a frame leaves your vm and arrives on the tap interface on the host, it then goes into a linuxbridge where iptables rules are applied and then it goes on a veth pair into openvswitch | 02:48 |
| SamYaple | openvswitch switched it to a veth pair connected to a bridge with iptables for VM2 and then to the tap for VM2 | 02:49 |
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| SamYaple | with the native openvswitch driver you get tap01<-->openvswitch<-->tap02 | 02:49 |
| SamYaple | instead of tap01<-->lb01<-->opevnswitch<-->lb02<-->tap02 | 02:49 |
| SamYaple | so there is potential for a perforamnce gain | 02:50 |
| masber | let me run another test host to host so I can get the difference in bandwidth | 02:50 |
| SamYaple | good idea | 02:50 |
| SamYaple | ive been running openvswitch firewall driver since newton with great success | 02:51 |
| jidar | 21:36:06 #openst+ SamYaple | significantly less for vxlan though, only 3-4 | 02:52 |
| jidar | that's exactly it | 02:52 |
| jidar | I've seen less than 3gbit on ovs using vxlan | 02:52 |
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| jidar | and we only deploy vxlan networks because why would you deploy a cloud that is limited to vlans | 02:53 |
| masber | ok | 02:53 |
| masber | host to host I am getting 24.2GBits/sec | 02:54 |
| masber | vm to vm 16.1GBits/sec | 02:54 |
| masber | the difference is too big | 02:54 |
| masber | I'm using flat network | 02:56 |
| SamYaple | masber: did you change the driver yet? | 02:57 |
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| SamYaple | jidar: i dont know what you mean by limited? ive no lack of vlans to spare | 02:57 |
| masber | going to have a quick lunch brb | 02:58 |
| SamYaple | each case is different of course... with proper offloading you can get near full speed out of the nics | 02:58 |
| SamYaple | jidar: my cards dont do vlxan offloading at all. so 3-4gbits is pretty solid for vxlan | 02:58 |
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| SamYaple | masber: [ 3] 0.0-10.0 sec 45.2 GBytes 38.8 Gbits/sec | 03:03 |
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| SamYaple | masber: thats what im getting same host with the openvswitch firewall | 03:03 |
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| SamYaple | jidar: this is my cross compute vxlan performance *without* checksum offloading on a 10gbit connection [ 4] 0.0-10.0 sec 6.26 GBytes 5.37 Gbits/sec | 03:20 |
| SamYaple | im not sure youd get much more with linuxbridge without offloading | 03:20 |
| SamYaple | the performance problems with ovs for the longest time have been the linuxbridge layer for iptables security group bits | 03:20 |
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| masber | SamYaple, wow, 38.8 Gbits/sec are you on a 50Gig network? | 04:02 |
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| SamYaple | masber: no i said that was same node performance | 04:04 |
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| SamYaple | im only on 10gb, but i get 8-9gbit throughput from vm to vm on vlan | 04:05 |
| SamYaple | 5.37Gbit/s for vxlan (apparently) without vxlan offloading | 04:05 |
| masber | ok, what does 8-9bit through put means? | 04:07 |
| SamYaple | 8-9Gbit | 04:10 |
| SamYaple | masber: anyway, switch to the openvswitch driver and you should see massive performance increases as well | 04:10 |
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| SamYaple | now if you are using tunnelling networks, youll want to ensure you support vxlan offloading on the nic itself | 04:11 |
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| masber | SamYaple, on which host is the ml2_config.ini file I need to change to start using the new openvswitch firewall? | 04:27 |
| SamYaple | masber: all hosts should have that | 04:27 |
| SamYaple | that said, you should be able to update a single compute and restart the neutron-agent on that node to test it | 04:27 |
| SamYaple | it should replug all the tap interfaces | 04:28 |
| SamYaple | you *may* need to reboot | 04:28 |
| SamYaple | or migrate vms off and then back on | 04:28 |
| masber | kolla-ansible reconfigure restores the firewall settings to default | 04:29 |
| SamYaple | masber: well yea. you gotta update your kolla configs | 04:30 |
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| masber | ok | 04:30 |
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| masber | SamYaple, I only have 1 compute host | 04:49 |
| masber | firewall_driver = openvswitch | 04:49 |
| masber | then I rebooted the vms and tried iperf again, didn't improve | 04:49 |
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| masber | then I rebooted the compute node and tried again, didn't improve | 04:49 |
| masber | [ 4] 0.0-10.0 sec 19.1 GBytes 16.4 Gbits/sec | 04:49 |
| SamYaple | rebooting the vms wont do anything | 04:50 |
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| SamYaple | masber: please verify that the change took affect and neutron agent is running with openvswitch firewall driver | 04:50 |
| SamYaple | that the taps are connected to openvswitch and not a linuxbridge | 04:50 |
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| masber | it looks to me that the tap devices are still connected to the linux bridge? | 05:00 |
| masber | http://paste.openstack.org/show/606940/ | 05:01 |
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| SamYaple | masber: docker exec and check the config inside the neutron agent container on the compute host | 05:06 |
| SamYaple | make sure it updated | 05:06 |
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| masber | SamYaple, yes it is updated | 05:19 |
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| masber | http://paste.openstack.org/show/606942/ | 05:19 |
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| SamYaple | masber: ok. yea im not sure exactly what migration pieces are in place | 05:20 |
| SamYaple | but my final suggest was to move the vm off that host with a migrate and then move it back to reset the taps | 05:20 |
| SamYaple | or launch new vms | 05:20 |
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| masber | ok sure, I will create a new vm and check the tap devices | 05:21 |
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| masber | SamYaple, tap devices from new vms are now connectec to ovs and performance is slightly better but still far form physical capacity http://paste.openstack.org/show/606944/ | 05:33 |
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| SamYaple | masber: hmmm | 05:36 |
| SamYaple | what version of ovs? | 05:36 |
| SamYaple | im running 2.6.0 with the 4.8 kernel (using the in-tree kernel module) | 05:36 |
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| SamYaple | I am not running Kolla *however* Kolla shouldn't be an issue for speed here | 05:37 |
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| masber | ovs-vsctl (Open vSwitch) 2.6.1 | 05:37 |
| masber | DB Schema 7.14.0 | 05:37 |
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| SamYaple | i dont know centos enough to say what they have or have not backported in that ovs kernel stuff | 05:38 |
| masber | I agree, kolla is just a deployment tool, and right now the only thing I have between the vms is ovs, but I believe that something is throttling | 05:38 |
| Ramwankh | I am planning to install openstack on AWS please share some document or links | 05:39 |
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| SamYaple | Ramwankh: openstack _on_ aws? why? | 05:39 |
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| SamYaple | masber: can you `modinfo openvswitch`? | 05:40 |
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| Ramwankh | I have AWS infrastucture need to test openstack on it | 05:41 |
| Ramwankh | SamYaple: Cloud help me in it | 05:42 |
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| cool06 | also kindly check AWS instances are running in XEN hypervisors so read AWS documents before running your compute node on it | 05:44 |
| masber | SamYaple, http://paste.openstack.org/show/606946/ | 05:45 |
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| SamYaple | masber: thanks. | 05:48 |
| SamYaple | so to be clear, i dont have a good answer for you | 05:49 |
| SamYaple | I can suggest you try to compile the ovs kernel module and load that one instead | 05:49 |
| SamYaple | i dont know what 7.3 rhel means for openvswitch | 05:50 |
| masber | no problem, you actually helped me more that what you think (at least to understand a little bit more about openstack in general) | 05:50 |
| SamYaple | i do know that the in tree 3.10 linux ovs is REALLY old | 05:50 |
| SamYaple | and I can tell you my results are 40Gbit on the same node running 4.8 kernel | 05:50 |
| SamYaple | ubuntu | 05:50 |
| masber | I see | 05:50 |
| masber | do you think I can redeploy using kolla-ansible centos binaries and try again? | 05:51 |
| SamYaple | you can. i dont think it would help | 05:51 |
| masber | host Os would be centos but docker images baesed on ubuntu | 05:51 |
| SamYaple | yea i highly doubt that would help | 05:51 |
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| masber | ok so ovs relies on the host kernel is that why you think it won't help? | 05:52 |
| SamYaple | masber: the openvswitch kernel module does all the switching | 05:53 |
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| SamYaple | the 3.10 kernel is really ancient | 05:53 |
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| SamYaple | i know centos backports things to keep the illusion of the same kernel version and stability, but i dont know what that means for the OVS code | 05:53 |
| SamYaple | you can try compiling the openvswitch module and loading it that way, to rule that out | 05:53 |
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| SamYaple | but you know it might also be the virtio module in the kernel | 05:54 |
| SamYaple | or the version of qemu | 05:54 |
| SamYaple | all I know is OVS is *capable* of this performance because i got 40Gbit in my lab | 05:54 |
| SamYaple | vm to vm | 05:55 |
| masber | I see, I left a message to openstack-neutron-ovs | 05:55 |
| SamYaple | thats probably the best next step | 05:55 |
| masber | and I am also write an email to openstack community | 05:55 |
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| masber | by the way vm to vm bandwidth on same host, what would be the bottle neck? the hdd? | 05:56 |
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| SamYaple | masber: no certainly not the disk | 05:57 |
| SamYaple | well if we are talking about iperf | 05:57 |
| SamYaple | possibly the cpu | 05:58 |
| masber | ok | 05:59 |
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| masber | SamYaple, are you running kolla in your lab? | 06:04 |
| masber | I am just thinking whether docker may be involved? | 06:05 |
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| SamYaple | masber: i am not running kolla, but thats what i was saying earlier | 06:20 |
| SamYaple | it is doubtful docker is involved | 06:20 |
| SamYaple | the tap is created in the host netowkr namespace. the qemu process is running in the host cgroups and net namespace | 06:21 |
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| SamYaple | the tap is going tstraight into the kernel with openvswitch | 06:21 |
| SamYaple | dokcer *shouldnt* be playing any part here | 06:21 |
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| JoeC | HI everyone | 06:47 |
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| JoeC | got a question on linux bridge and port binding | 06:48 |
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| JoeC | did anyone get the same problem before? | 06:48 |
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| JoeC | anyone? | 06:50 |
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| pau2580 | Hello people.I am new to openstack and wanted to try out data mining of electronic health records on openstack.Any advise or recommendations?Would be most thankful. | 10:00 |
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| pau2580 | Hello people.I am new to openstack and wanted to try out data mining of electronic health records on openstack.Any advise or recommendations?Would be most thankful. | 10:02 |
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| pau2580 | Hello people.I am new to openstack and wanted to try out data mining of electronic health records on openstack.Any advise or recommendations?Would be most thankful. | 10:06 |
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| pau2580 | Hello people.I am new to openstack and wanted to try out data mining of electronic health records on openstack.Any advise or recommendations?Would be most thankful. | 10:36 |
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| rmart04 | : Good morning! Does anyone know if its possible to alter the defaults for the Horizon Instance create wizard (newton) to not enable volumes by default? Also if its possible to change the Glance Image ‘Public’ to not be enabled by default? | 10:47 |
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| rmart04 | ^ Answered in #openstack-horizon .thanks! | 10:57 |
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| bla | Hi | 11:03 |
| bla | I've changed ml2 configuration and seems to have stale entries in the database. Could you direct me to some description how to iron things out now? :) | 11:03 |
| remix_tj | rmart04: volume creation it's a new default? i'm also interested to disable it. How do i? | 11:04 |
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| rmart04 | Aparently it defaults to Yes (create volume) when cinder configured as a service. I’m just having a look through the source in order to work out how to change it to not do that :) | 11:05 |
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| pau2580 | Hello people.I am new to openstack and wanted to try out data mining of electronic health records on openstack.Any advise or recommendations?Would be most thankful. | 11:12 |
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| remix_tj | rmart04: keep me updated if you can! | 12:00 |
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| trevormc | is there a way to use neutron's quota for limiting the number of VFs created for a single tenant? | 15:13 |
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| davidb | Hi everyone, quick question ;) as they all are ; When booting a VM1 for example, snapshoting it, and then booting VM2 from VM1snapshot, VM1 got its IP stolen by VM2 till the metadata has not run on VM2, and even so, need to reboot or ifdown/ifup the public interface on VM1. The problem is that when doing a snapshot with openstack it keeps track of the present ip configuration and ip state too, is there a way to fluch this before m | 15:40 |
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| davidb | Hi everyone, quick question ;) as they all are ; When booting a VM1 for example, snapshoting it, and then booting VM2 from VM1snapshot, VM1 got its IP stolen by VM2 till the metadata has not run on VM2, and even so, need to reboot or ifdown/ifup the public interface on VM1. The problem is that when doing a snapshot with openstack it keeps track of the present ip configuration and ip state too, is there a way to fluch this before m | 16:00 |
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| davidb | Hi everyone, quick question ;) as they all are ; When booting a VM1 for example, snapshoting it, and then booting VM2 from VM1snapshot, VM1 got its IP stolen by VM2 till the metadata has not run on VM2, and even so, need to reboot or ifdown/ifup the public interface on VM1. The problem is that when doing a snapshot with openstack it keeps track of the present ip configuration and ip state too, is there a way to fluch this before m | 16:30 |
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| SamYaple | davidb: thats not an openstack thing, that sounds like an image thing. a vm configuration itself | 16:52 |
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| SamYaple | with openstack you would have booted a new vm | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | that means new interfaces and mac | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | and dhcp would not give it out that old ip address to the new mac | 16:53 |
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| SamYaple | to that end, VM2 should not be able to talk on the ip address from VM1 unless you have disabled all protections (mac and ip filtering) | 16:53 |
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| SamYaple | irtermite: did you like the site? i know you clicked on it | 16:54 |
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| irtermite | SamYaple: oh yea... it was a great site. I R so excite now | 16:58 |
| gr3nnith | hey, probably the wrong channel but: I set up an environment with 3 Nodes (FUEL-> ODL/OVS with NetVirt) and whenever I fire up a livemigration, all the flows are updated except for ONE flow on EACH node... is there anyone who could help me out? | 16:58 |
| davidb | SamYaple yeah that is true, but we didnt disable mac protection | 16:59 |
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| irtermite | davidb: sounds like you may have had the IP set static in the instances' network configs? | 17:00 |
| irtermite | instead of dhcp? | 17:00 |
| davidb | true | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | davidb: if you have vms that can masquerade as eachother, you have a seriuos issue. putting aside teh matter of "stealing" ips for a second | 17:00 |
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| davidb | we do set the IP through metadata | 17:00 |
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| SamYaple | right, but even as such it shouldnt be able to *talk* as that ip | 17:01 |
| irtermite | *shouldn't* | 17:01 |
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| davidb | yeah | 17:01 |
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| irtermite | by chance did you assign the float for VM1 to a port? | 17:06 |
| irtermite | Daviey: | 17:06 |
| irtermite | oops | 17:06 |
| irtermite | poops... he gone SamYaple | 17:06 |
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| irtermite | SamYaple: if he assigned the float of VM1 to a port-id, would it not then be able to boot VM2 with the same IP if he used the same port-id? | 17:07 |
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| SamYaple | irtermite: no | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | the float is nat'd to the private ip address | 17:15 |
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| SamYaple | the private ip is bound to a single interface, single mac address | 17:15 |
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| SamYaple | the only way to get around the mac/ip thing (which is implemented in ebtables and openvswitch) is to turn off those protections | 17:16 |
| SamYaple | or update teh allowed-address-pairs | 17:16 |
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| irtermite | I see | 17:16 |
| SamYaple | now its possible that VM2 *thinks* it has a different ip address, but it shhouldnt be able to talk on that different ip address | 17:16 |
| SamYaple | all that hsould get blocked | 17:16 |
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| luisnho223 | hey guys. I'm new to Openstack and I like to understand how authentication with REST API works. Documentation from Openstack is not much clear to me and i don't know how to POST a request for authentication. I know i have to send a POST request to http://url:5000/identity/v3/auth/tokens but don't know how to send it. I already installed advanced rest client but don't know how to get the token | 17:27 |
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| gr3nnith | irtermite SamYaple since you seem to be present: any hints regarding missing flows with ODL Netvirt/OVS when livemigrating? | 17:40 |
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| gr3nnith | to be precisely all the actions=output:N flows for packet-forwarding | 17:40 |
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| frickler | luisnho223: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/devref/api_curl_examples.html | 17:43 |
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| luisnho223 | ty frickler :) it helped me a lot :) | 17:49 |
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| SamYaple | gr3nnith: yea sorry bud. im not sure why only a single flow wouldn't work only when live migrating | 19:41 |
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| SamYaple | gr3nnith: does shuttting down and doing a normal migration result in the same thing? | 19:41 |
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