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mvalle | /opt/stack/devstack/stackrc:780:die [ERROR] /opt/stack/devstack/stackrc:780 Could not determine host ip address. See local.conf for suggestions on setting HOST_IP. | 00:19 |
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AndyWojo | Anyone got time to explain a neutron concept to me? | 01:53 |
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masber | hi, how can I create a copy of an instance and have both running? | 02:00 |
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masber | obivously mac addresses, IP and hostname should be updated on the new one | 02:00 |
masber | AndyWojo, I am not an expert but happy to listen you query and see if I can help | 02:02 |
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AndyWojo | masber: so here is what I don't understand.. I have a provider network that's tied to my physical network, via my real switches and routers (172.16.0.x). Now I can create a self-service (tenant network) that's not representive of my real network (10.0.0.x) | 02:07 |
AndyWojo | So the tenant can create their own 'fake' network within openstack | 02:07 |
AndyWojo | How do I get to those self-service tenant networks from my real network? | 02:07 |
AndyWojo | How does my real network know to route things to 10.0.0.x? | 02:08 |
AndyWojo | (I.E how do I freaking SSH to these hosts in the 10.0.0.x) | 02:08 |
masber | they your external network talks to the internal vms through floating IPS | 02:08 |
AndyWojo | I'd stick with a provider network, but you can't do LBaas and some other advanced features without self service | 02:08 |
masber | tenant network are hided | 02:08 |
AndyWojo | So you build a VM, and then attach a floating IP FROM your tenant network as a jump server? | 02:08 |
AndyWojo | err provider | 02:09 |
masber | correct | 02:09 |
AndyWojo | Gotcha. | 02:09 |
AndyWojo | Thank you, that's what I figured but I was unsure. | 02:09 |
masber | np | 02:09 |
masber | also interms of load balancers, etc, I think openstack can handle those things for you | 02:10 |
masber | but I haven;t play with it | 02:10 |
masber | so as I understand, the load balancer would have a "flaoting IP" and it will balance your requests across your instances | 02:10 |
masber | the ip of the loadbalancer would be an IP withing the range of your network provider | 02:11 |
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AndyWojo | Gotcha, that's what I'm reading as well. As for your question, could you just take a snapshot, and then launch a new instance from a snapshot? | 02:12 |
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linuxmodder | AndyWojo, seems logical assuming the snapshot is sane, I mean you can from a regular lvm volume | 02:14 |
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linuxmodder | openstack uses pacemaker and cluster_ip for that iirc | 02:14 |
linuxmodder | on rh based installs at least | 02:15 |
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strgout | This isn't so much a openstack question but does anyone know if vxlan is ok with being natted? I don't know if i'll do that, i'm guessing i'll to vxlan over ipsec, but i haven't got that far yet. | 02:16 |
strgout | this is all casa lab. | 02:16 |
AndyWojo | no idea. networking in openstack is still scary to me | 02:17 |
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AndyWojo | coming from vmware, and IBM powervm environment things just *work* for you.. with OpenStack I need to *know* things | 02:17 |
AndyWojo | huge difference | 02:18 |
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strgout | yeah.. vxlan and all the crazy arp stuff is pretty mind blowing. SDN is amazing... in theory! I mean.. replacing stp with bgp and advertising macs... effing crazy stuff. | 02:19 |
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strgout | open vswitch .. anyway thats kind of my main goal. learning all that jazz | 02:20 |
AndyWojo | I find it so hard to learn all of the SDN stuff from the Internet | 02:21 |
AndyWojo | I'm one of those people that need to see it in action, before I learn it | 02:22 |
AndyWojo | the 100 page whitepapers explaining vxlan and gre etc just make me go cross eyes | 02:22 |
AndyWojo | I'd love to find some really killer hands on openstack training | 02:22 |
strgout | ditto, i want dirty hands to keep my attention. | 02:22 |
strgout | hence openstack at the house. | 02:23 |
AndyWojo | Right now, I'm trying to understand how Magnum + Kubernetes works | 02:23 |
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strgout | man.. i just went to a docker meetup two days ago. | 02:23 |
AndyWojo | Fortunately my employers has this pretty bad ass sandbox lab, so I can just take some super micro's and play with OpenStack to my hearts content. | 02:23 |
strgout | everything is drasticly changing. | 02:24 |
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AndyWojo | I recently just was able to use cinder to provision storage from a storage device, that was neat to see openstack SSH out to the storage node, create the LUN, map it to the host, attach it to the VM etc | 02:25 |
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strgout | i just finished up networking from the docs (well installing and making sure stuff is talking). | 02:26 |
strgout | herizon is next then cinder. | 02:26 |
strgout | i'm starting to get ok at finding screw ups on the config as i go. | 02:27 |
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AndyWojo | what helped me, was I removed all of the comments from all of the configs | 02:27 |
AndyWojo | I found the comments were overwhelming and that much scrolling and editing was causing me to make mistakes | 02:28 |
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masber | AndyWojo, you can start with this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYW7kQRyUvA | 02:28 |
strgout | oh yeah.. the configs are so huge. It does get hard to figure out what section your in. | 02:28 |
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strgout | egrep -v '^#|^\s*$ | 02:29 |
jidar | crudini | 02:29 |
jidar | lol | 02:29 |
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AndyWojo | strgout: I used this alias: uncomment_file () { cp -rp $1 ${1}.bak; sed -i -e '/^\s*#/d' $1; sed -i -e '/^$/d' $1 } | 02:29 |
AndyWojo | just so it backed up the file so you can reference it | 02:29 |
AndyWojo | masber: thanks! | 02:29 |
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masber | it is a very stupid video but a good start point in my opinion, I am also quite pragmatic person so I need to interact with things that works in order to understand what is happening | 02:30 |
AndyWojo | There are really no good tutorials on there on how to implement kubernetes and magnum | 02:30 |
AndyWojo | masber: I'm the same way | 02:31 |
masber | AndyWojo, no there are not I am also quite interested in magnum | 02:31 |
masber | my plan is to use openstack as a unify cli for deployment different technologues | 02:32 |
masber | *technologies | 02:32 |
masber | like containters, vns, map-reduce, etc | 02:32 |
masber | good thing for prototyping | 02:32 |
AndyWojo | I was able to get magnum installed properly and the commands work, but I have no idea how to integrate into Kubernetes | 02:33 |
masber | the problem is that it is hard to glue up all the pieces toghether | 02:33 |
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masber | you don't integrate with kubernetes, magnum will setup kubernetes for you | 02:33 |
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masber | in theory magnum deploys kubernetes in your vms or baremetal through ironic | 02:34 |
masber | kubernetes/swarm/mesos | 02:34 |
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AndyWojo | So Magnum is aware of the Kubernetes code? | 02:35 |
masber | yes | 02:36 |
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AndyWojo | gotcha | 02:36 |
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masber | that is the whole point of magnum, you don't need to know how to deploy kubernetes, magnum should handle this for you | 02:37 |
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masber | quick question, Im using ceph as a backend storage, I create a vm but openstack volume list shows nothing... why idea? | 02:38 |
masber | *any idea? | 02:38 |
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AndyWojo | using cinder? | 02:39 |
AndyWojo | Sounds sure it's not storing your VM in the image store and not using cinder to create the volume? | 02:40 |
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strgout | i shortened that to sed -i.bak -e /^\s*#/d -e /^$/d $1 but damn yes that makes this a lot easier to read. | 02:47 |
strgout | would have noticed a nova.conf error (defined var twice, didn't see the 2nd one) a lot easier to find. Thanks for the tip | 02:48 |
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AndyWojo | np | 02:54 |
AndyWojo | there is such a vacuum for OpenStack support out there | 02:54 |
AndyWojo | could create a whole company around it | 02:55 |
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AndyWojo | Ahhh okay... so with magnum you create a cluster template, but you have to use CoreOS or Fedora Atomic ONLY as the glance image | 02:58 |
AndyWojo | but when you created the glance image you have to specify --os_distro=coreos | 02:59 |
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strgout | its alive! | 03:14 |
strgout | 3rd times a charm! | 03:14 |
jidar | you can not in fact, create a company around it | 03:14 |
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strgout | or at least horizon makes it look a live. | 03:14 |
AndyWojo | jidar: why not? | 03:15 |
jidar | there just isn't alot of need/want/money around it | 03:15 |
AndyWojo | Ah. | 03:15 |
AndyWojo | Wonder how Red Hat is doing around its support of OpenStack, I believe they sell OpenStack support | 03:15 |
jidar | 'sell' isn't quite the right word | 03:15 |
jidar | you get support when you buy their product and then you can also buy support yes, but it's all to push product | 03:16 |
jidar | their support has come a long way for openstack too I'll admit | 03:16 |
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AndyWojo | That's what I mean. You buy a Red Hat OpenStack solution, all of a sudden a few years go by and you need to upgrade from Mikata to Pike, something breaks, and you just pick up the phone and call redhat and say $thing broke, help pleas. | 03:17 |
AndyWojo | I work for a small (60-70) person IT consultancy company near Philadelphia, and we mainly deal in big storage, linux, aix implementation/solutions and we don't really know anyone running OpenStack | 03:18 |
AndyWojo | So from a consultancy perspective, unless you know someone who's already using OpenStack, it seems like a dead play - money wise. | 03:18 |
jidar | I work for a bay area group with offices in DEN/SEA at a little over 150 people | 03:18 |
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jidar | we only have a few customers running openstack | 03:18 |
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jidar | ie: less than a handfull | 03:18 |
AndyWojo | Right | 03:18 |
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jidar | hell, I built out several openstack deployments for those customers | 03:19 |
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jidar | but it's just not taking off | 03:19 |
AndyWojo | You guys trying to go after that market? Or realize it's a dead end? | 03:19 |
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jidar | I mean, we've got a couple people who can deliver on it but we're smart enough to know there isn't a whole lota money in it | 03:19 |
AndyWojo | It's the same thing we're seeing with Ceph.. yeah, some people are using it, Bloomberg, CERN, etc.. but no one we know actually uses it, and if they do, they'd have the in house talent to build it themselves and wouldn't need support. | 03:20 |
jidar | that's the rub right there | 03:20 |
jidar | it's not the type of product you can build and walk away from | 03:20 |
AndyWojo | We're looking at evaluating getting into Object Storage implementations.. seems logical if you believe the hype (80% of the worlds data is going/is unstructured etc) | 03:21 |
jidar | you'd likely be better going into public cloud | 03:21 |
AndyWojo | Yeah we're already doing that | 03:21 |
jidar | S3 is getting cheap enough for people to migrate large data workloads into it | 03:22 |
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AndyWojo | The reason why we like IBM's Cloud Object Storage, is you can deploy it on-site. It's like having S3 in your data center | 03:22 |
jidar | so is swift :/ | 03:22 |
jidar | but again, that don't matter much when S3 is as cheap as it is | 03:23 |
AndyWojo | right, I think there are some niche cases where some people may care about latency though. The latency between the data center and amazon can be killer. | 03:23 |
AndyWojo | I guess it all depends on your workload. | 03:23 |
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jidar | it can, and data transfer costs but you've got it, 'it just depends' | 03:23 |
AndyWojo | Ideally you'd want to run your OS workloads inside amazon too, so you don't need to pay the latency penalty. | 03:24 |
AndyWojo | There's definitely a buttload of money to be made in the "AWS Solutions Architect" space that's for sure. | 03:24 |
jidar | that's the point hahah | 03:24 |
jidar | AWS has high in-region latency though | 03:25 |
jidar | unless you're buying the biggest beefiest boxes and doing netflix-like crap for checking noisy neighbor and relaunching and all that | 03:25 |
jidar | it's kinda a pain | 03:25 |
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jidar | my biggest complaint is keeping up with all of the new service offerings | 03:26 |
AndyWojo | yeah it's exhausting | 03:26 |
strgout | how are the others stacking up? (google, ms... umm.. rackspace?0 | 03:27 |
jidar | in what realm? | 03:27 |
AndyWojo | I think the biggest challenge is rearchitecting for AWS, and having customers pay attention to what the hell they're doing. I think a lot of customers (and we've had a few now) move away from AWS because the costs go so so so high, | 03:28 |
AndyWojo | but when you asked them about usage... they had no idea the amount of stuff they just spin up and left running | 03:28 |
strgout | in the i wanted to join the conversation but didn't have a good angle realm. | 03:28 |
jidar | lol | 03:28 |
AndyWojo | I like Softlayer because you can provision baremetal in the cloud | 03:28 |
strgout | jidar so you kind of made it sound like you don't really have a good use for openstack. Did i get that right? | 03:33 |
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strgout | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IXEtUEZslg <- btw this is the crazy networking video i've been watching. | 03:35 |
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jidar | well, I think it _would_ be good, but adoption is just difficult. | 04:01 |
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jidar | also, having both IT and devs on the same boat hasn't really happened in corp america yet | 04:01 |
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jidar | and the shops where they are, are often young and don't have the architectural challanges AndyWojo was mentioned earlier | 04:02 |
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endoresu | hello, everyone! why my openstack client don't have 'event' command? | 08:15 |
endoresu | 'openstack help' command also no 'event' command | 08:15 |
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frickler | endoresu: probably you need to install python-heatclient | 08:29 |
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omkar_telee | Hi, How can I provide multiple rabbitmq hosts in transport_url ?? | 09:26 |
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yankcrime | omkar_telee: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.messaging/transport.html | 09:41 |
yankcrime | so you pass in multiple hosts in much the same way as it was done previously (via rabbit_hosts for example), i.e a comma-separated list | 09:42 |
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omkar_telee | Yankcrime: I did not understand what is "virtual host" part | 09:45 |
omkar_telee | transport://user:pass@host:port[,userN:passN@hostN:portN]/virtual_host?query | 09:45 |
yankcrime | omkar_telee https://www.rabbitmq.com/vhosts.html | 09:46 |
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egonzalez | omkar_telee, transport_url = rabbit://openstack:<PASSWORD>@192.168.100.244:5672,openstack:<PASSWORD>@192.168.100.186:5672 | 09:49 |
egonzalez | omkar_telee, in openstack usually will be / vhost, no need to modify it unless have multiple vhosts | 09:50 |
omkar_telee | @egonzalez : great, thanks .. this is what I was looking for | 09:51 |
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omkar_telee | @thanks, Ybakcrime .. :) | 09:51 |
egonzalez | omkar_telee, replace openstack with your rabbitmq user | 09:51 |
omkar_telee | egonzalez: yes, sure | 09:52 |
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drgr33n | Hey | 12:53 |
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drgr33n | I'm wondering if someone could point me in the right direction regarding a smll issue I'm having. | 12:54 |
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drgr33n | I'm trying to setup spice-html5 within horizon. I've configured it correctly as far as I can see but when trying to view the console I'm getting the following in the spicehtm5 proxy log | 12:55 |
drgr33n | INFO nova.console.websocketproxy [-] handler exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied | 12:55 |
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drgr33n | I'm assuming sonething doesn't have permission to read something. How would I setup vebose logging to see what exactally is going on ? | 12:56 |
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drgr33n | Any help would me much appreciated. | 12:56 |
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frickler | drgr33n: add "debug = True" in the "[DEFAULT]" section of /etc/nova/nova.conf and restart the proxy | 13:15 |
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drgr33n | Cheers frickler !! That helped a lot. | 13:21 |
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drgr33n | I'm a drip it turns out was enforcing ssl at the top of the config and trying to access spice via a non ssl channel. Working now thanks | 13:25 |
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Maheshk691 | Hi | 14:48 |
Maheshk691 | i have configure LBaas V1 in mitakka | 14:49 |
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Maheshk691 | when i lunch a new Loadbalancer pool the status is error | 14:49 |
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MaheshK6 | hi | 14:58 |
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MaheshK6 | i have configure LBaas V1 in mitakka | 14:58 |
MaheshK6 | when i lunch a new Loadbalancer pool the status is error | 14:58 |
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MaheshK6 | ERROR neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.agent.agent_manager AttributeError: 'HaproxyNSDriver' object has no attribute 'create_pool' | 14:59 |
Maheshk691 | ERROR neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.agent.agent_manager AttributeError: 'HaproxyNSDriver' object has no attribute 'create_pool' | 14:59 |
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nsasherr | We have a small number of UPS'ed servers, and we're looking for a way to quota them or weight them differently than the rest of our servers. Is there a way to do that aside from creating a separate region? | 18:57 |
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nsasherr | Is there a way to reduce the quota weight of older, slower servers? If we had some brand new servers and some older ones, could we mark the older servers as effectively "30% Off"? | 19:22 |
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ben_hall | I'm trying to install DevStack, but tox --notest -efull is giving me the error "ERROR: unknown environment 'full'". Anyone understand why? | 21:52 |
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