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royal_screwup21Hi everyone! I'm going to be joining openstack soon and I'm just curious to know what level of competency one would have to wield in order to make the most out of it.06:47
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royal_screwup21what's the bare minimum proficiency you'd need to "survive"?06:48
oyrogergWhat is "joining openstack"?06:50
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royal_screwup21registering?06:52
oyrogergroyal_screwup21: Are you planning to start using the software? Attending a meeting/summit/conference? Contributing code/doco to one of the projects?06:53
oyrogergHave you used FLOSS before?06:54
oyrogergWhich is short for: Free (Libre) or Open Source Software06:54
royal_screwup21nope, but I wanted to get started on those things. What's the baseline level of skill would you say one would need to make open source contributions?06:54
oyrogergIf you want to code and contribute, you probably want (a) some idea of how to write code and (b) to spend some time trying to use OpenStack (or whatever software project you're interested in)06:56
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oyrogergIf you've never installed or configured a Linux machine before, you may have a very long road - OpenStack is hugely complicated IMHO06:56
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oyrogerghttps://opensource.com/resources/what-is-openstack seems like a good page to read, and maybe give TryStack a try (linked from there)06:58
royal_screwup21thanks!06:58
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oyrogergBut a search engine will yield many, many pages to read about OpenStack06:58
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oyrogergYou might look for OpenStack 101 videos on YouTube, some of them from the twice-a-year major Summit, some from other get togethers the community seems to have06:59
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oyrogergYou can have a week free to go through https://linuxacademy.com/openstack/training/course/name/openstack-essentials or https://training.linuxfoundation.org/linux-courses/system-administration-training/introduction-to-openstack is free I think07:02
oyrogergGood luck (:07:03
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royal_screwup21It seems so overwhelming!07:07
oyrogergIt's big, no doubt. Why do you want to use it?07:08
royal_screwup21You're right, I don't really have any reason to use it, apart from "this looks cool!"07:08
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oyrogergGet a free Google Cloud or Amazon Web Services (AWS) account and create one or more VMs, or install Docker on your own computer(s) and tinker?07:10
royal_screwup21Awesome! I'll do that07:10
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royal_screwup21can you suggest a project that would go along with that?07:11
oyrogergGoogle and Amazon are hardly the Free Software community, so it depends a little on what direction you're headed.07:11
royal_screwup21I just want to get my hands dirty with software, that's all07:11
oyrogergDocker clearly is part of that though. Anyway, "prject to go with it"? A web server, a Minecraft server, your own mail server (Mail-in-a-box, iredmail, ...), and IRC jump host, ... a million options07:12
royal_screwup21cool! What's an IRC jump host?07:12
oyrogergI find it's better to start with something that I'm very interested in, or have direct use for07:13
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oyrogergWell, instead of connecting from your laptop (desktop, tablet, whatever) to the IRC server, you run a jump host (proxy, gateway, whatever the term is) and have that permanently connected to Freenode07:13
oyrogergThen you connect to your jump host to reconnect to IRC07:14
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royal_screwup21sounds interesting. What would be the point of that though? The proxy network might allow for a cloak of anonymity?07:15
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royal_screwup21like a VPN sort of a thing?07:15
oyrogergYes, that sort of thing07:16
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royal_screwup21oyrogerg: you mentioned web server. Did you mean *writing* a web server from scratch and hosting it on the openstack? Or just the hosting aspect of it?07:18
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oyrogerg"A web server" is a machine running software an serving some content or application.07:18
royal_screwup21oh right, sorry, I got that a little mixed up07:19
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oyrogergThe machine can be a VM on a public cloud (Google, AWS etc), your own computer, a Docker container inside one of the above, ...07:19
oyrogergOr yes, a VM or container inside an OpenStack environment07:19
oyrogergThe software can be something you write yourself (but why would you) or nginx or apache or ... others07:19
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oyrogergThe content or application, well that's up to you. Static images or text or pages; Wordpress; plex; piwigo; ... again lots of options.07:20
oyrogergDepends on what you want to do.07:21
oyrogergIf you really don't know, find a couple of free 101 courses in random stuff (like the ones I posted above), maybe look at coursera.org or the other MOOC providers for some tech courses07:21
royal_screwup21so basically it comes to deploying a web server on openstack, for an application of sorts07:22
oyrogergYes, you could do that07:22
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eoseqhi, where should I look to improve a link speed on vxlan + linux bridge with 9000 jumbo frames? On pure vlan we get interface speed of 10 Gb/s, while compute <-> compute only 1.88 Gb/s07:54
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asettleMorning o/08:24
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gunixjidar: what do you mean by "using systemd for HA"? AFAIK systemd is used for stuff at OS level, not application level (openstack)10:30
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gunixroyal_screwup21: i also plan on contributing to openstack, but that is a 4-year longterm plan. right now i am trying to get a POC done for my company. do you have experience with linux, virtualization, cloud technologies and development?10:32
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royal_screwup21I use linux as my OS and I have some experience deploying websites on cloud platforms, but not much more than that (yet).10:35
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gunixroyal_screwup21: that sounds cool. what distro do you use?10:57
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SamYapleeoseq: with those speeds and vxlan it means you are probably not doing vxlan offloading to your NICs15:32
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SamYapleeoseq: only some nics support offloading the vxlan checksuming, otherwise you are doign it with the CPU which results in slow speeds15:32
SamYapleeoseq: unless you can get cards with offloading, you hsould stick to vlan15:33
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SamYaplewith offloading you should be able to expect speeds of 6-8gbit a second15:33
SamYaple(over vxlan)15:33
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gunixSamYaple: hey man, how are you doing?16:40
gunixSamYaple: let's say one has the following tech: 3 servers, each with 500 GB ram and 46 cores. he also has some network devices (routers, firewalls, load balancers). what he wants is to create an openstack network16:41
gunixnetwork devices aside, does it makes sence to deploy all controller services on all 3 nodes, to have redundancy, and also run nova-compute on all 3 nodes?16:42
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gunixor would it be better to get 2 additional servers with very little ram (like 20-24 GB each), and about 8 threads each, and have the controller services run on these small servers, and let the 3 monsters do only compute?17:04
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SamYaplegunix: thats how i do lab deploys17:26
SamYaple3 nodes is enough to do this, but i wouldnt push it into production17:27
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gunixSamYaple: how do you do lab deploys? 3 nodes, with services clustered on all 3?18:52
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SamYaplewell depends on the lab i guess18:52
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SamYaplebut ive definetely done that, yea18:53
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gunixhmm so into prod i should get some extra 2 servers for the services i guess18:55
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gunixhow many hypervizors (kvm) can you managed with one openstack deploy? how many instances, how many projects?18:55
SamYaplecontrol plane is typically 3 nodes because some services need quorum18:56
gunixoh yea ...18:56
SamYaplethats a tough question18:56
SamYapleif you are sclaing with cells and regions.... probably unlimited18:56
gunixall these questions are touch and i need to do the poc :D18:56
SamYaplebecause each region can be its own cluster more or less, and it just shares auth18:56
roedieHey, is it possible to do live migration when a VM boots from an ISO?18:57
gunixwell there should be 7-8 regions (which are mostly on different continents), but i was thinking on doing one openstack deploy per region, and let that deploy manage that region18:57
SamYapleroedie: live-migration is normally posible, but the storage backend being shared is most importnant18:57
SamYaplebeing an ISO doesnt matter18:57
gunixroedie: tbh that is a KVM/QEMU question, not really openstack. and as SamYaple suggested, it depends where the iso is located18:58
SamYaplegunix: thats a rather large project. i would suggest studying up on regions and which services run at what level18:58
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roedieSamYaple: Everything is on Ceph so that shouldn't be an issue. But I'll have a look if it's an qemy limitation.18:58
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gunixroedie: AFAIK when you have an instance deployed from an image, you can migrate with block migration. so that means that KVM will move the qcow2 files. if the VM has a volume (located on cinder shared storage - block level storage), than migration will work without block migration. however in both cases you need to configure the qemu hosts to allow migration. this is done by enabling libvirtd to listen on19:02
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roediegunix: Yeah, live migration works. But somehow fails when I attach an ISO.19:03
gunixconsidering you said ISO, i suppose the iso is located on your glance... so glance will just upload the image to the qemu host19:03
gunixthink about it this way: on vmware esxi, if a CD is attached to a VM, migration is impossible. i never tested this on kvm, though.19:04
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gunixnormally, for this to work, block migration should be migrated and qemu should move the iso from one host to another but i never tested that. it is normal behaviour when your image is on glance to have qemu migrate the image from one host to the other19:05
gunixi tested this only with qcow2 images :D19:06
gunixand it works like that19:06
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SamYapleroedie: you should be good then19:17
SamYapleroedie: unless its a bug in nova19:17
roedieSamYaple: I just tested it again with an ISO and 'It just works (tm)'19:18
roedieSo, forget about my question, I must have done something stupid somewhere last time I tested19:18
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