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| gregwork | I kind of have a general question about a heat parameter used to configure my network. NeutronBridgeMappings, a:b .. i get that b is the bridge interface on the servers, but what the heck is 'a' supposed to be ? | 05:28 |
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| gunix | how many separate network do you keep in prod? | 09:38 |
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| gunix | like ... one for mgmt, one for storage, one for vxlan ? one for provider network for vms? | 09:38 |
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| gunix | found the answer here: https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/openstack-ansible/newton/_images/networkarch-container-external.png | 12:51 |
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| Fallenour | hey everyone is there a recommended ratio of oversubscription that is a standard for openstack? Most things ive seen for kvm is 5:1, but I just want to be sure | 14:08 |
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| DHE | Fallenour: most people run KVM, so go ahead and use the same ratios. | 14:34 |
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| gunix | DHE: i guess he was talking about proc oversubscription? | 18:05 |
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| DHE | gunix: yeah. and openstack in KVM mode (which is pretty typical, right?) isn't really any different than KVM by itself | 18:14 |
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| gunix | DHE: no, not really. you have to configure kvm by hand for vm migration, as if it was not part of openstack :D | 18:15 |
| gunix | but i didn't know 5:1 was a standard | 18:15 |
| DHE | oversubscription isn't a KVM option specifically. it's used by openstack in its decision making of which compute node to run the VM | 18:16 |
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| SamYaple | gunix: libvirt is not "part of openstack" though. just like rabbitmq and mariadb and memcached are not part of openstack, but they are still required | 18:18 |
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| gunix | SamYaple: yes, that was my point :D | 18:22 |
| gunix | DHE: regarding "decision which node to run the vm", is there any way to calculate which VMs should be migrated and where to free up ressources? like DRS on vcenter | 18:23 |
| SamYaple | gunix: migrating will run it through the scheduler again, but there is no autodetection of what to migrate to balance noisy neighbor issues | 18:23 |
| DHE | and the bin-packing problem is NP-complete | 18:24 |
| gunix | SamYaple: so you could just go on the punished node and migrate the vm wihtout specifying the target and it will push the vm to the node with most available ressources? | 18:24 |
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| SamYaple | gunix: most avilable resources, yes. but only from a database perspective. so the vms on that host could be abusing it and youre in the same boat | 18:25 |
| gunix | SamYaple: what about some HA for vms? if a host goes down on proxmox/vcenter, all the VMs from that host get booted on other hosts. | 18:26 |
| gunix | while using openstack i saw that it is a totally different paradigm. so i GUESS "the openstack way" would be to get telemetry and heat to monitor VMs and reploy if some crached ... GUESS with caps, since i never used openstack at enterprise level yet | 18:28 |
| SamYaple | gunix: yea nova has no "automatic migrate if host goes down" feature | 18:29 |
| gunix | so what's the best practice for stuff like this? | 18:29 |
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| SamYaple | gunix: best practice is you shouldn't care if the host went down, because everything you are running is "cattle". the reality is if you are running "pets" on that node, youll just have to detect it is down some way and then migrate it to a new host if its shared storage. if its not shared storage then youll have t orebuild it | 18:31 |
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| gunix | SamYaple: i noticed this with openstack. i focuses more on cloud-ready apps, which usually are cattle. vmware focuses on taking care of the pets. i have at work some customers that don't have normal pets, they have these huge pigs that they grew in the bathtab at home and now they have 4 TB with no HA and they want backups for that stuff | 18:35 |
| SamYaple | you and everyone else | 18:37 |
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