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| rabel | hey together. i installed a packstack here and now it got german log messages. can you tell me how to switch it to english? | 09:06 |
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| remix_tj | rabel: maybe depends on you LC_* settings? | 09:23 |
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| rabel | remix_tj: i'm not sure what you mean. could you explain in more detail? | 09:33 |
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| remix_tj | rabel: check your environment for localization. To a colleague of mine happens that ssh connection passes the LC_* informations so he gets all the messages in italian | 09:34 |
| remix_tj | so maybe you've a wrong locale set in your host | 09:34 |
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| rabel | remix_tj: thanks for the hint. i tried 'env | grep LC' , but the environment variables are not set | 09:40 |
| remix_tj | locale what's saying? | 09:41 |
| rabel | everything en_US.UTF-8 | 09:41 |
| rabel | ah, wait | 09:41 |
| rabel | this is via ssh | 09:41 |
| rabel | when i connect via vnc console it is de_DE.UTF-8 | 09:42 |
| rabel | how can i persistently change it? | 09:42 |
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| remix_tj | depends on which is your distro | 09:42 |
| rabel | centos | 09:42 |
| remix_tj | localectl set-locale | 09:43 |
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| rabel | thank you! | 09:46 |
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| philip1 | hello | 11:50 |
| philip1 | i have a home server that currently runs kvm | 11:50 |
| philip1 | and i was looking at openstack | 11:51 |
| philip1 | i am planning to run 5-10 vms | 11:51 |
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| philip1 | is openstack suitable for me or does it only work well with clusters | 11:51 |
| philip1 | also does openstack support software raid? | 11:52 |
| TMM | well, you could run all of openstack on one server and run vms on it as well but the overhead is going to be pretty large for that usecase | 11:54 |
| TMM | unless you're actually looking to develop something against the openstack apis I don't think it's a great idea, but it's certainly possible | 11:55 |
| TMM | as for software raid, openstack doesn't necessarily care about that. you're going to have to configure a storage driver and the ones based off of lvm will work on top of softraid | 11:55 |
| TMM | if I were you and I only wanted to run 5 - 10 vms on a single server I'd just use libvirtd with virt-manager over ssh | 11:56 |
| SmearedBeard | I think for a single server and 5-10 VMs, openstack is probably overkill | 11:56 |
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| SmearedBeard | as TMM said, I've even say with so few, it's probably suitable to have a script, or an alias to create a new VM | 11:57 |
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| TMM | yeah, but you're going to run libvirtd anyway, may as well use it :) | 11:58 |
| TMM | I guess you don't *have* to you could go bare qemu-kvm I suppose | 11:59 |
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| TMM | At that point you're probably doing yourself a disservice though | 11:59 |
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| philip1 | another question: my current setup has debian with kvm running on it and a mdadm softraid. | 12:01 |
| philip1 | i want my media server vm access the raid | 12:01 |
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| philip1 | i now have a passtrough that allows the mediaserver vm to mount the raid | 12:02 |
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| philip1 | but when i copied my stuff and rebooted ext4 was currupt | 12:02 |
| philip1 | what is the best way to for my media server vm to acess the raid? | 12:03 |
| philip1 | nfs? or make a virtualdisk on the raid? | 12:03 |
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| BloqueNegro | philip1: bobably nfs or samba | 12:06 |
| BloqueNegro | *probably | 12:06 |
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| BloqueNegro | and please, for the sake of your own mental state, DONT use openstack for your media setup | 12:06 |
| BloqueNegro | openstack is a clusterfuck to set up and keep running | 12:06 |
| philip1 | is openstack the gentoo of the hypervisors? | 12:07 |
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| BloqueNegro | and the only time you want to use that, if a similar setup with tools like virsh would be even more 'clusterfucky' | 12:07 |
| BloqueNegro | philip1: more like windows me | 12:07 |
| BloqueNegro | dont get me wront, the features OS offers are awesome, especially when it comes to networks | 12:08 |
| BloqueNegro | but unless you want to serve multiple, independent 'customers' with all the self service magic, there is zero reason to use openstack | 12:08 |
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| philip1 | so i should just keep current setup and use nfs on my raid | 12:09 |
| BloqueNegro | (on the other hand its the perfect excuse to deep dive into multiple topics when debugging an installation. i learned a lot of stuff about networking, vlan, vxlan and hypervisors :)) | 12:09 |
| BloqueNegro | yeah, probably. on my private setup i use KVM and virt-manager | 12:10 |
| BloqueNegro | with openvswitch in one and linuxbridge in another environment | 12:10 |
| philip1 | well the place where i do my internship has some servers laying around they dont use maybe i can install openstack on them and fuck around a little | 12:10 |
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| SmearedBeard | philip1 are you familiar with using Openstack and it's projects? | 12:11 |
| philip1 | nope | 12:12 |
| BloqueNegro | i HIGHLY recommend getting some kind of training for installing openstack | 12:12 |
| BloqueNegro | i would consider myself quite good when it comes to virtualization and linux... but no way i could have done my setup without a 5 days training | 12:12 |
| BloqueNegro | otherwise you'll probably end up very very frustrated | 12:13 |
| SmearedBeard | I agree with BloqueNegro but the documention for manual installs are quite good but require knowledge in Linux and setting up bridges, vlans etc | 12:13 |
| SmearedBeard | *documentation | 12:13 |
| philip1 | yeah i only use linux for maybe a year and i found out about openstack today | 12:13 |
| BloqueNegro | SmearedBeard: the docs are quite good and i install openstack myself quite often | 12:14 |
| SmearedBeard | probably best to get some training, BloqueNegro what course did you take? | 12:14 |
| BloqueNegro | but to grasp the network concept... uhh, thats fun | 12:14 |
| BloqueNegro | SmearedBeard: https://www.experteach.eu/de/training/experteach-networking/data-center-cloud-sdn/openstack/osad.html | 12:14 |
| SmearedBeard | praise google translate :D | 12:15 |
| BloqueNegro | the trainer was playing around since icehouse and had tons of background knowledge | 12:15 |
| SmearedBeard | also networking urgh.. | 12:15 |
| BloqueNegro | SmearedBeard: since i work with openvswitch only in os context... | 12:15 |
| BloqueNegro | and ovs is a massive bitch to debug | 12:15 |
| SmearedBeard | indeed it is | 12:16 |
| BloqueNegro | (sry for my wording, but... nah. thats just plain madness) | 12:16 |
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| BloqueNegro | 'well let me sniff network traffic on a certain port'... *nope^e^e^e* | 12:16 |
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| philip1 | do you attach openswitch directly to a network interface | 12:17 |
| philip1 | or is it a macvtap kind of thing | 12:18 |
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| philip1 | cause i have problems communicating from client to host | 12:18 |
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| BloqueNegro | create three ovs bridges | 12:19 |
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| BloqueNegro | do magic connect fuckery between them | 12:19 |
| BloqueNegro | add a physical port to one of them | 12:20 |
| BloqueNegro | and pray it works *g | 12:20 |
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| TMM | I don't think training is a universal requirement to deploy OpenStack. The documentation is all very good. | 12:21 |
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| TMM | It's not very helpful to anyone to tell people they absolutely have to pay someone several thousands of euros to give them a 5 day course just to install it. It's certainly not universally true. | 12:21 |
| cnf | TMM: well, "very good" | 12:22 |
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| cnf | severely lacking in many ways, is my opinion :P | 12:22 |
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| cnf | can't get bloody ipv6 working >,< | 12:23 |
| TMM | I have my team deploy openstack using the rdo deployment guide to get familiar with the components. So far even the most junior members managed it with a little help. | 12:23 |
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| cnf | are you running anything working ontop of it? | 12:25 |
| TMM | in production? | 12:25 |
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| TMM | yeah, of course, we run thousands of instances | 12:25 |
| cnf | and is it a proper install, or just a single host flat network thing? | 12:25 |
| TMM | I don't know what you mean by 'proper' :) | 12:26 |
| SmearedBeard | probably multiple NIC, VLANs etc? | 12:27 |
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| TMM | we have a flat provider net, with vxlan overlay networks that people can make on demand | 12:27 |
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| TMM | we have lbaas and cinder, ldap integration for keystone | 12:27 |
| cnf | openstack is ok when you stick to the simplest of setups | 12:27 |
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| cnf | once you step out of that, it's a world of pain | 12:28 |
| TMM | I'm sure that's true, if you make things difficult they will get difficult :) | 12:28 |
| cnf | yes, because anything not the absolute basics is difficult | 12:29 |
| TMM | we run an internal cloud with about 200 hypervisors with a couple thousand instances | 12:29 |
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| TMM | it's all fine, we have a several hundred lbaas instances, couple hundred vxlan overlays for individual projects, | 12:29 |
| TMM | dvr so we don't need network nodes | 12:30 |
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| TMM | I'm sure you could do this all in a much more complicated way. But I don't think it'd buy you much. | 12:30 |
| jsheeren | hey all, i'm running into an issue with instance resize of instances with a cinder backed root disk | 12:31 |
| jsheeren | the resize does a resize_cleanup action, which checks if a root disk exists | 12:31 |
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| jsheeren | instances with a cinder root disk, do not have a nova root disk | 12:31 |
| jsheeren | so this code gets executed: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/ocata/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L1149 | 12:32 |
| jsheeren | the instance base path gets deleted | 12:32 |
| jsheeren | this is a problem on nfs shared storage. when we suspend the instance after a resize, and then resume it. nova cannot find the libvirt xml definition | 12:32 |
| jsheeren | as it has been deleted | 12:33 |
| SmearedBeard | TMM what do you use a deployment method? | 12:33 |
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| TMM | SmearedBeard, right now puppet, but I'm putting the finishing touches on a system based off of systemd-nspawn | 12:33 |
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| cnf | TMM: we need NFV, not tons of web services | 12:34 |
| TMM | cnf, what parts for nfv do you need? | 12:34 |
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| SmearedBeard | TMM similar to OSA but using nspawn instead of LXC? | 12:34 |
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| TMM | SmearedBeard, yeah, and with an emphasis on keeping the control plane and the controlled resources segregated | 12:34 |
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| SmearedBeard | wow, awesome... any plans to send to OSA to opensource it? | 12:35 |
| SmearedBeard | *if not ready | 12:35 |
| cnf | what do you mean whhat parts? | 12:35 |
| TMM | SmearedBeard, the nspawn containers modify state on the 'host os' so killing the containers won't affect running instances at all | 12:35 |
| jsheeren | i think it is introduced after https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1666831 | 12:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1666831 in OpenStack Compute (nova) ocata "Nova recreates instance directory after migration/resize" [Low,Fix committed] - Assigned to Lee Yarwood (lyarwood) | 12:36 |
| TMM | cnf, 'nfv' is an umbrella term for a whole pile of different things you could be wanting to do. In our setup people can create their own loadbalancers, networks, routers etc. That's part of nfv | 12:36 |
| cnf | yeah, we need DPIs, routers, vSG's, etc etc | 12:37 |
| TMM | SmearedBeard, Some of the stuff I'm doingf is here: https://notabug.org/hp/openstack-nspawn | 12:37 |
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| cnf | anyway, doesn't matter | 12:37 |
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| cnf | i need to get this bloody ipv6 working | 12:37 |
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| TMM | SmearedBeard, I don't think OSA is going to be super interested in this, but I can polish this further and maybe make it a separate thing. | 12:39 |
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| SmearedBeard | TMM I think they are already looking at this option, at least based of a PR from cloudnull (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477017/) | 12:42 |
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| TMM | SmearedBeard, the deployment philosophy is entirely different | 12:43 |
| TMM | SmearedBeard, the idea for osa is to deploy 'sub production systems' that do just one thing but are managed *as production systems* | 12:43 |
| TMM | the containers become ansible managed pets | 12:43 |
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| TMM | What I'm doing is making the containers stateless again | 12:43 |
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| SmearedBeard | ah.. that does sound better tbh, just reading your page a bit | 12:44 |
| TMM | I'm also not trying to implement some kind of leaky configuration abstraction on top of the OpenStack services. So you have to prepare configuration files yourself and inject them in the image building process. You test the images together then deploy, if you need to make a config change you rebuild the whole thing | 12:45 |
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| TMM | k8s/kolla does this already tbw | 12:45 |
| TMM | but we had some problems with that so I'm building this as a sort of stopgap | 12:46 |
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| TMM | but my desired end-result is a system where if you kill all the nspawn containers all instances remain working as if nothing had happened, only changes in state or new deployments should be affected | 12:46 |
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| TMM | the 'big idea' is to run this 'build image' script from gitlab-ci, build all the images, use a heat stack to deploy all of the images on a set of F26 hosts | 12:48 |
| TMM | then run tempest on the resulting openstack system | 12:48 |
| TMM | if that completes we deploy the images to our deployment system where puppet will use machinectl to download them and switch to the new version | 12:49 |
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| TMM | for small configuration changes it's probably going to be a bit of a pain in the ass but making changes to the production system without a full ci is even more of a pain in the ass if it goes wrong :) | 12:50 |
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| cnf | hmz, can't get the OS router to route any ipv6 | 13:22 |
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| cnf | anyone here have ipv6 working on openstack? | 13:47 |
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| frickler | cnf: yes, should work just fine | 14:01 |
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| cnf | should, but doesn't | 14:01 |
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| TMM | cnf, we have v6 on overlay networks, that appears to work, routing between v6 enabled overlay networks also works | 14:03 |
| TMM | cnf, we only have v4 on our provider net though so I'm not sure if it's the same | 14:03 |
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| cnf | TMM: and ipv6 to the outside? | 14:04 |
| cnf | internal works | 14:04 |
| cnf | just not going out | 14:04 |
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| TMM | cnf, routing from v6 tenant net to v6 tenant net works for me. From outside we don't have it setup :-/ sorry | 14:05 |
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| cnf | ok, thanks | 14:05 |
| frickler | cnf: how did you set up the outside? I wrote a blog article about setting it up with neutron-dynamic-routing: https://cloudbau.github.io/openstack/neutron/networking/2016/05/17/neutron-ipv6.html | 14:05 |
| cnf | is that between different tenants, btw? | 14:05 |
| cnf | frickler: i'll read that | 14:06 |
| cnf | and atm, the outside is a static route to the LLA address | 14:06 |
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| cnf | because i can't get RA working there | 14:06 |
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| TMM | we do all of our 'outside routing' through floating ips from tenant nets | 14:07 |
| TMM | we haven't yet tried that with v6 | 14:07 |
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| cnf | our ipv4 space is depleted | 14:07 |
| cnf | getting v4 ranges is a fight (almost literally) | 14:07 |
| cnf | v6 we have tons of, through | 14:08 |
| TMM | oh, is this internet? | 14:08 |
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| cnf | ha, even internally we have depleted v4 ranges | 14:08 |
| cnf | it | 14:08 |
| cnf | but yes | 14:08 |
| TMM | damn, how many instances do you have?! | 14:08 |
| TMM | we have two /16s internally :) | 14:08 |
| TMM | we've 'looped' the range a couple of times now but we're nowhere near full | 14:09 |
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| cnf | well, not openstack specifically | 14:09 |
| cnf | entire ISP | 14:09 |
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| cnf | frickler: from what i can see i did everything in your post | 14:18 |
| cnf | the OS router isn't routing anything on v6 | 14:18 |
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| cnf | i don't get why | 14:20 |
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| cnf | so i can access between ipv6 subnets, over the OS router | 14:35 |
| cnf | but not going out | 14:35 |
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| frickler | cnf: did you also set up the same address-scope inside and outside? neutron seems to block traffic otherwise | 14:39 |
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| cnf | frickler: what do you mean? | 14:41 |
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| frickler | cnf: do "neutron address-scope create" as I wrote in the first item and use that scope when creating your subnetpools | 14:42 |
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| cnf | but what do you mean outside? | 14:44 |
| cnf | the outside just has LLA | 14:44 |
| frickler | cnf: as a result, when you do "neutron net-show" for your public and tenant network, it should show the same ipv6_address_scope | 14:44 |
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| frickler | cnf: hmm, so you do not have a v6 subnet defined on your public net? | 14:44 |
| cnf | no, the docs say you don't need it | 14:45 |
| frickler | cnf: which docs? I'd assume those may be wrong | 14:45 |
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| cnf | frickler: https://docs.openstack.org/ocata/networking-guide/config-ipv6.html | 14:45 |
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| frickler | cnf: hmm, I've never tested that, and I don't think it is tested in gate, so it may well be broken. | 14:48 |
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| frickler | cnf: from my POV, I'd go with GUA on the public net, that would sound like best practice to me anyway | 14:50 |
| cnf | why would you have a GUA on the public, though | 14:50 |
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| frickler | cnf: having globally unique addresses on your routing infrastructure is best practice to me, makes for proper traceroutes and easier debugging | 14:51 |
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| cnf | it should work without, though | 14:55 |
| cnf | and even when i assign a GUA remote | 14:55 |
| cnf | it still doesn't work | 14:55 |
| cnf | i have tried that | 14:55 |
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| cnf | hmm | 15:06 |
| cnf | wthh | 15:06 |
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| cnf | it sends packets out | 15:16 |
| cnf | it just drops anything that comes in | 15:16 |
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| cnf | i see requests going out, replies coming in | 15:29 |
| cnf | and they don't get past the OS router | 15:29 |
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| jlabarre | is the documentation for RHOS 12 being updated tor access.redhat.com? Currently it's only showing documentation up through Openstack v11 | 15:47 |
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| sudodude | I've got a controller and compute node set up with OVS and my DHCP and router ports show up as "DOWN". The only ports that come up as "UP" are those of instances, albeit they're not getting an IP because DHCP service is unreachable. Any thoughts? | 16:14 |
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| sudodude | I've got a controller and compute node set up with OVS and my DHCP and router ports show up as "DOWN". The only ports that come up as "UP" are those of instances, albeit they're not getting an IP because DHCP service is unreachable. Any thoughts? | 18:59 |
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| BloqueNegro | sudodude: uhm... are the services up? | 19:07 |
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