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| Anticimex | is it common in small deployments to put openstack backend vms on same hypervisor as nova-compute consumes for openstack service delivery itself? | 00:31 |
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| Anticimex | i figure libvirt/kvm instances w/o all the openstack metadata could live outside openstack, and some reserved ram in scheduling hints for the nodes could suffice | 00:32 |
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| gunix | Anticimex: are you still here? | 01:01 |
| Anticimex | yup | 01:01 |
| gunix | i feel the question is confusing. openstack services will run within containers. it's best to have within prod 3 dedicated servers for manangement services (nova glance keystone mariadb etc) | 01:01 |
| gunix | however, if you lack servers, you can deploy the openstack services within the the same physical servers where also nova-compute is | 01:02 |
| Anticimex | yeah i'm talking about purpesfully not doing that though | 01:02 |
| Anticimex | right | 01:02 |
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| gunix | purposefully not deploying services within containers, or purposefully not having separate hosts for controllers? | 01:02 |
| Anticimex | just want to figure out if nova-compute is unable to tolerate "foreign" instances in the libvirt | 01:02 |
| Anticimex | the dedicated management server patr | 01:03 |
| gunix | i never tried that, and I would not try it if not needed | 01:03 |
| gunix | why do you need that? | 01:03 |
| Anticimex | to save space and $ | 01:03 |
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| gunix | are coming from vmware and trying to deploy openstack like vcenter, within a vm? | 01:04 |
| Anticimex | nope | 01:04 |
| gunix | you can deploy the services within containers | 01:04 |
| gunix | using lxc | 01:04 |
| Anticimex | or docker, or packer-built vms | 01:04 |
| gunix | so you have controller on lxc and noca-compute on kvm | 01:04 |
| Anticimex | i see | 01:04 |
| gunix | i would go for lxc since it is a standard | 01:04 |
| gunix | you have openstack-ansible too | 01:05 |
| Anticimex | so you don't know how nova-compute reacts to non-nova-compute instances on its libvirt? | 01:05 |
| gunix | no, i didn't try that out. i was curious, but after that i saw how stuff gets done in openstack and the curiosity dissapeared | 01:05 |
| Anticimex | i guess i should test it out | 01:05 |
| Anticimex | hehe =) | 01:05 |
| gunix | yea, you can test out openstack ansible AIO | 01:05 |
| gunix | all in one | 01:05 |
| gunix | you deploy it with like 3 commands and you get a working test environment | 01:05 |
| gunix | and you can inspect the machine to see what it did | 01:06 |
| Anticimex | that's neat, i'll look into it | 01:06 |
| gunix | you will see that all services are deployed within lxc containers | 01:06 |
| Anticimex | so i do'nt have to muck about with the production sites | 01:06 |
| gunix | and that your nova-compute is running kvm | 01:06 |
| Anticimex | ah but i want to test the foreign instance thing =) | 01:06 |
| Anticimex | maybe i could just test it out in the lab | 01:06 |
| Anticimex | :) | 01:06 |
| Anticimex | but was hoping someone knew | 01:06 |
| gunix | go ahead. and tell me how it went. i smell fail :)) | 01:06 |
| gunix | what do you mean with "so i do'nt have to muck about with the production sites" ? | 01:07 |
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| Anticimex | that i shouldn't test it in production ;) | 01:08 |
| Anticimex | i have reasonable confidence it will work fine | 01:09 |
| Anticimex | or hmm, it *could* work out | 01:09 |
| gunix | for production you have proper instructions on openstack-ansible | 01:09 |
| gunix | and you should read and ask before doing prod | 01:09 |
| Anticimex | the production sites are already up | 01:09 |
| gunix | there are a lot of people on irc who will help. ask. | 01:09 |
| gunix | oh ok | 01:10 |
| gunix | what's running in prod? | 01:10 |
| Anticimex | newton | 01:10 |
| gunix | so you want to know if you can add something to your nova-compute because ... ? | 01:10 |
| gunix | i mean why do you need this info since you already have prod :D | 01:11 |
| Anticimex | because this is different design | 01:12 |
| Anticimex | and i was thinking, hey, why not reduce out 3 unnecessary hw servers | 01:12 |
| Anticimex | everyone could be happy, if it doesn't cause pain | 01:12 |
| Anticimex | there are other consequences of course though, like, hypervisor compromise etc | 01:13 |
| Anticimex | but it's not a strong requirement in this case | 01:13 |
| gunix | there are people running prod with controllers services within the compute nodes | 01:13 |
| gunix | depends how big the infrastructure is | 01:13 |
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| Anticimex | yeah, this is a scenario with 4 hypervisors | 01:14 |
| gunix | if you have 10 compute nodes with 500 GB ram each, you don't mind getting 3 controllers with 30 gb ram | 01:14 |
| Anticimex | true | 01:14 |
| Anticimex | but alas, this is smaller | 01:14 |
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| gunix | if you have only 4 hosts and you already have prod, why not add them to your prod infra? | 01:17 |
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| Anticimex | i'm doing a blueprint for a different fresh deployment | 01:18 |
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| gunix | if you know it will not scale, you don't really need the controller nodes... or if you have some customers that really want to have their openstack isolated | 01:19 |
| gunix | i think this would work with OSA prod setup, and just setting up compute nodes on infra nodes | 01:19 |
| gunix | but be sure you reserve a lot of RAM for controllers | 01:19 |
| Anticimex | nod | 01:21 |
| st4ckgneer | cry | 01:21 |
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| gunix | is there any way to give a tenant access to only one availability zone? | 13:16 |
| gunix | fishcooker: what do you mean? a VPS provider that uses openstack in the background? | 13:17 |
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| wlmbasson | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hXzTh1zH | 15:57 |
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| wlmbasson | My guest hypervisor can only run qemu. Even though host hypervisor has nested virt enabled (kvm_amd) and cpu_mode = host-passthrough | 15:58 |
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| iggy | wlmbasson: I think you also need to explicitly pass through the virt extensions to the top level guest | 17:40 |
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| wlmbasson | iggy: how do I do that? | 18:48 |
| iggy | in OpenStack? no clue | 18:48 |
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| wlmbasson | and in kvm? | 18:50 |
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| mrkelley | Should be able to do it in virt-manager. | 18:51 |
| mrkelley | look through the CPU config options for the VM. | 18:51 |
| wlmbasson | By extensions you mean svm? I'm a noob | 18:51 |
| iggy | yeah | 18:52 |
| iggy | probably some others | 18:53 |
| wlmbasson | My host hypervisors is also OpenStack, but if no one knows how to do that then looking at kvm might help. | 18:53 |
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| wlmbasson | iggy, mrkelley: interesting if I run 'virsh capabilities" on Intell hypervisor I see vmx, but on AMD I don't see svm | 19:01 |
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| wlmbasson | my CPU model is also incorrectly detected as Opteron_G3 | 19:04 |
| mrkelley | Read up on AMD cpus. | 19:06 |
| wlmbasson | seems I have the wrong libvirt version | 19:07 |
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| wlmbasson | support for EPYC was added in 3.8.0 | 19:07 |
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| p_arch | hi everyone. Could someone please help me? I'm trying to set up VLAN-based tenant network. When trying to bring up a VM I get " Network 6e8bc334-8693-42b8-a70e-49cc40404163 is connected to physical network provider, but agent control reported physical netwo | 20:57 |
| p_arch | rks {}. The physical network must be configured on the agent if binding is to succeed." Could someone please tell me how to specify the physical networks on the agents? I've tried setting "flat_networks" and I've set the vlan_ranges.... | 20:57 |
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