Thursday, 2017-11-16

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dxirihi everyone, has someone used tripleO to install openstack?00:02
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mwynneIf I enable distributed routing on my controller and compute nodes do I need to re-create the networks? Or can I just restart the services?00:14
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mwynneSamYaple: Any idea?00:16
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hackooI have configured linuxbridge with OpenStack. Created one VXLAN external network.. Not sure if this network is up. When do "ip a" output shows something like UNKNOWN. Please see this and help me to understand this:03:51
hackoo26: vxlan-46: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1450 qdisc noqueue master brq111a8bce-52 state UNKNOWN qlen 100003:51
hackoolink/ether 22:b0:b9:f1:a2:c5 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff03:51
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SamYaplemwynne: you do not need to recreate the networks since DVR happens at the router level, unrelated to the networking03:57
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mwynneSamYaple: I have configured DVR already, just hadn't set enable_distributed_routing to True for the openvswitch agent.05:30
mwynneIt looks like I'm able to change that setting without recreating the network. Does that seem right?05:30
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mwynneSamYaple: So the distributed routers already exist on each compute node for each network.05:31
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JaageriHi, my compute nodes have 2 sockets, and when i schedule instances socket 0 seems to fill up first before it starts to take cores from socket 1. Anyone knows why?07:01
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bhujayHello everybody , badly stuck up in a problem . Would be grateful if any one can spend a few minutes to suggest some hints08:28
bhujayI have a pike set up where VM is not able to take ip from tenant net but works well with provider net . Here is  the detail https://gist.github.com/BhujayKumarBhatta/584bda14710233d7242329d88760605308:28
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fxpesterbhujay: single node devstack pike ?09:02
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fxpesterbhujay: check network connectivity, assign ip to cirros manually using 'ip' command and try to ping gw09:03
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bhujayfxpester: its a multinode set up. I tried assigining ip manually but no success09:35
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fxpesterbhujay: so, you need to check physical network09:35
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bhujayfxpester:  Yes , i doubt so .  checked all  level  of connectivity  between neutron to kvm , other controllers and haproxy . all ok.09:37
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bhujayI tired tcpdump from neutron but could not interpret  where the packet is getting lost . If you see the  ip netns and dhcp entries for host , all have taken the ip entires but some how vm is not able to, i tired even disabling iptables  but no result either09:39
bhujayon kvm if i spin up couple of vms , them can ping each other but they cant reach gateway ip or dhcp ip which is on the neutron agent server.09:41
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digitalowlHello. I have a problem with dns servers pushed by dhcp. I want only get ip and mask, but if dns_nameservers is empty - neutron generate standart nameserver addresses.11:08
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linkmarkdigitalowl, this might help: openstack subnet set --no-dns-nameservers SUBNET_ID_OR_NAME11:14
linkmarkdigitalowl, https://docs.openstack.org/neutron/latest/admin/config-dns-res.html11:14
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fricklerdigitalowl: I did a patch for that, see https://review.openstack.org/49578111:24
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digitalowllinkmark, thx, but we use neutron/ocata11:31
digitalowl*newton11:31
digitalowlI found that argument in Ocata, thx11:32
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Kvisleif you were to write some code to integrate things as project cration, network creation, etc into other systems --- what libraries / sdks would you use for that as of now?11:33
egonzalezKvisle, shade11:34
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Kvisleegonzalez: thanks11:36
boolmanI see alot of these messages in gnocchi-metricd.log: 2017-11-16 08:24:25.110 14785 WARNING tooz.drivers.memcached [-] Unable to heartbeat by updating key '__TOOZ_LOCK_gnocchi-2e95ce79-e816-4ecc-8799-b23fa336b0fd' with extended expiry of 5 seconds11:36
boolmananyone know where to look?11:37
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fricklerdigitalowl: the "--no-dns-nameservers" flag only removes the configured addresses from the subnet, neutron then falls back to case 2 in the docs link above. you either need to backport my patch to your local install or patch your client to ignore the dns option in dhcp11:44
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digitalowlfrickler, already got it, thx11:47
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boolmananyone using ocata with ceilometer and designate? in our deployment there is no consumer for notifications_designate.info, so the queue keeps increasing12:09
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digitalowlKvisle, ruby-openstack13:09
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fallenouranyone ever had an issue with the metadata proxy portion of neutron? The 169.254.XXX.XXX network for cloud.init? Ive dug through my config files, and everything looks fine. Getting console errors of not being able to reach that network though for cloud init13:30
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Kvislefallenour: we've had a few problems with it, yes13:41
Kvislefallenour: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/172258413:41
openstackLaunchpad bug 1722584 in neutron "Return traffic from metadata service may get dropped by hypervisor due to wrong checksum" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)13:41
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tumblecan anyone give me a hint why my cinder is so broken when creating a volume? https://privatebin.net/?429c8e1d74986692#R4ulO80YpFOKrNoxx1K4qutvP2+tRUieM/q5XJqo5Mo=15:16
tumbleIt's a fresh packstack all-in-one installation15:16
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tumbleI see there that it passes size 0.0G to lvcreate, I just don't know why (and what it has to do with /dev/urandom15:16
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thework1tumble what was your openstack volume create syntax15:20
tumbleI used the UI (horizon)15:20
tumbleand passed in a 10 (that's GiB according to the UI)15:20
thework1does it work via the cli?15:20
tumblelet me check15:20
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tumblehm actually the result is the same. I must explain a little more. The volume creation itself works, also via the UI,  however, it goes straight into error state and in the scheduler.log it tells me "no valid backend"15:26
tumblethat's why I looked into the volume.log and there you see this stacktrace that I posted above but it's apparently only done once when cinder starts I think15:26
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thework1everything set right in /etc/cinder/cinder.conf15:27
thework1?15:27
thework1that just sounds weird15:27
tumblesomewhere something went  terribly wrong, trying to figure out what^^15:28
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almondjoyI missed the initial question, but what do you have for enabled_backends in cinder.conf?15:29
tumblelvm15:29
tumbleand that's the only one that packstack created15:29
almondjoyah, the loopback device?15:29
almondjoywhat does lvs say?15:29
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tumblehmm, I had the loopback thingy first, but it was limited in size, so I decided I actually want the entire 4TB raid to be there for cinder volumes, so I rolled out the machine again (pxe+kickstart) being very smart, naming the main vg cinder-volumes15:30
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tumbleso now the output of lvs is...15:30
tumblelv01 cinder-volumes -wi-ao---- 3.64t15:30
tumbleand that's all that exists there15:31
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tumbleI can easily roll out the entire machine again, without much pain. I'm just trying to figure out an easy way to use the machine's space as much as possible for creating vms AND volumes15:32
tumbleone of the two things always makes trouble :<15:32
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tumblethe cinder backend configuration looks like this http://dpaste.com/1RDGGY3 and I created that volumes_dir mentioned there15:35
tumblechowning it to cinder:cinder15:35
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tumblemy volume.log is full of ERROR cinder.service [-] Manager for service cinder-volume myhost@lvm is reporting problems, not sending heartbeat. Service will appear "down"15:36
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tumbleconsequently the scheduler.log is full of No valid backend was found. No weighed backends available: NoValidBackend: No valid backend was found15:36
almondjoyshouldn't need to redeploy, something just isn't happy15:37
tumblewhich of these is the root cause is not clear to me, I suspected this stacktrace that I posted first15:37
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tumblehttps://privatebin.net/?429c8e1d74986692#R4ulO80YpFOKrNoxx1K4qutvP2+tRUieM/q5XJqo5Mo= this there15:37
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tumbleand I don't know where this lvcreate with size 0.0g comes from (and if that's the root cause)15:37
almondjoyhmm15:37
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almondjoytumble: what is lv01? I think that is using all of the space on the cinder-volumes vg and cinder doesn't have any space left to create volumes15:49
tumblethat's probably correct, it's simply the lv created by my automated centos7 installation15:50
tumbleit creates a vg called cinder-volumes, consuming all space15:50
tumblethat's also where the root partition lands15:51
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tumbleif you're familiar with kickstart, this is the system partition setup: http://dpaste.com/2MVYZ8A15:52
tumblethe --grow saying "take as much as you can"15:52
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tumbleif I knew a better partitioning, I could change that, but I'm not so proficient with cinder and how it uses lvm^^15:53
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tumblebefore, I had the centos installation creating rootvg01, taking up all space too, but packstack managed to created a second vg during installation, using this loopdevice magic and somehow it was able to use up space on the rootvg0115:56
tumbleI can even tell packstack the size for this cinder-volumes vg (default is 20GB), but I read the whole loopdevice approach based on a file isn't cool15:57
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tumbleso I thought I'm smart by naming my main vg cinder-volumes :>15:57
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tumbleguess the quickwin would be reprovisioning the machine and going back to this loopdevice approach until I really run into the problems it might cause someday (I can't tell yet)15:59
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almondjoythe loopback approach should work, but I don't think it will be persistent (it will need to be recreated if you reboot). you can increase the size of the backing file if you need to, but ideally you would have a separate root disk16:06
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tumbleyeah I will start a last approach with this partitioning now http://dpaste.com/0655Y4116:07
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tumbleand will tell packstack to not create this loop thing. If I can then convince cinder that this is the volume group it should use, I'll be fine I guess16:08
tumbleelse I try the loopdevice thing again16:08
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almondjoyI'm not very familiar with kickstart, but if that does what I think it will do, that should work16:09
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tumblethanks for listening to my problem almondjoy, now it takes some patience and crossing fingers :D16:27
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jhublarGreetings.16:41
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jhublarI have packstack running, and -- that's great.  But, I'm wanting to put everything together in a way that I can use to really slamdunk the RedHat openstack cert.  What minimum system requirements would you advise?16:42
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mwynneSamYaple: Thoughts on my comments from last night?17:13
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SamYaplemwynne: i dont really see a question18:05
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mwynneSamYaple: If the distributed routers are already present (I just forgot to set enable_distributed_routing = True in the openvswitch config), is restarting services sufficient?18:33
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mwynneSamYaple: Another question: I have a stack with ~120 networks, and after rebooting that controller it takes ~90 minutes for it to rebuild all the networks. Is that normal? Can that be sped up somehow?18:34
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SamYaplesetting the agent_mode and restarting the service is all thats needed18:59
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SamYaplethats alot ofnetworks, so that doesnt surpise me18:59
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mwynneSamYaple: That's just expected?19:10
mwynnehow do people handle large numbers of networks?19:10
SamYaplemost people dont have 120 networks on a single controller19:10
SamYaplei think the most ive ever worked with was 56 on one controller, and it took a long time to do anything. you should scale out your controllers though19:11
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mwynneSamYaple: Yeah.19:28
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gunixSamYaple: do you use ceph for ephemeral storage (instead of the default qcow2) ?20:09
gunixSamYaple: also, do you use kvm or lxd ?20:10
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SamYaplekvm and ceph20:15
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exarrHi all. Me again. Just a few general questions if anyone has a spare few minutes.20:28
exarrSo, firstly, if I want to build a VM that has a single interface, and can attatch to multiple vlans (eth0 eth0.10 eth0.20) How best should/would I approach this with provider network scenario?20:29
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exarrDo I assign flat networks, and let the bridge just handle the vlans? Should I look into network trunks? Or is there a better way to approach this?20:30
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RandomTechexarr: the physical connection may may have to be trunked(If its not already) and i believe openstack has some mechanisms for tagged trafic with vlans but i could be mistaken20:32
RandomTechim am fairly new to openstack myself20:33
exarrRandomTech: So, with the switch interface already being trunked, I have the native as the openstack vlan, then respective vlans in the allow list I have access. (10, 20 in this example)20:34
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exarrSo, willl a native be presentable to the VM?20:34
exarr(but underneith it'll be vlan 50 or whatever?) - does that make sense?20:34
exarrI'm using openvswitch and could change things outside of openstack, but i'd rather use openstack functionality properly to do this.20:35
RandomTechthe native vlan on a switch is the vlan untagged traffic normally operates on. it allows the switch to deal with trafic that never had a vlan or lost its tag20:35
RandomTechim not sure how openstack would deal with it though sorry20:36
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exarrRandomTech: No worries :-) I think I need someone who plays with network port trunks though openstack to pester :-)20:36
RandomTechim sure someone here has the answer20:37
RandomTechi just havnt messed with the deployed side of openstack much20:37
exarrRandomTech: :-)20:37
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RandomTechsomeone on openstack-101 may know exarr try asking on there20:40
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exarrRandomTech: ooh, didn't realise that existed. Thanks :-)20:52
RandomTechexarr: theres also openstack-ansible if you happen to be using openstack ansible20:52
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exarrRandomTech: Nah. I would have used saltstack but seems that's been discontinued now :-(20:54
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gunixSamYaple: why do you use ceph for ephemeral storage? and not just default?21:14
gunixSamYaple: doesn't that create an overhead for istances that are designed to be lightweight and stateless ?21:15
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RandomTechexarr: one think i do know is every port on the switch we have connected to a blade in our setup is trunked21:17
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SamYaplegunix: i live migrate my instances around alot. i also do not have local storage on the computes21:19
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gunixSamYaple: so i guess the local storage for the computes is split into: system and ceph disks ....21:20
gunixSamYaple: can you show a df -h and lsblk from one compute, please? if that is not confidential info21:21
SamYaplegunix: well in my case, im PXE bootingthe computes, so just the disks ceph uses. but not all my computes ahve ceph disks either21:21
gunixSamYaple: oh, that is cool!21:21
gunixso you have some computes that pxe boot and have no storage at all?21:22
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SamYapleyes21:22
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SamYapletechnically all my computes do that, some just have ceph disks21:22
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gunixSamYaple: so i guess that the computes are not deployed using OSA21:22
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SamYapleah no. i dont use OSA anymore21:23
gunixwhat do you use instead ?21:23
SamYaplemostly stuff i create21:23
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gunixwhy did you drop osa ?21:23
SamYaplei worked for rackspace previously and supported OSA. i dont work for rackspace anymore21:24
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gunixdo you think osa is good for me at the start, or that there are better stuf out there?21:24
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SamYaplei primarily developed on Kolla, and i think containers should be single-processes and not running systemd insidethe container, so im a bit biased there21:25
exarrRandomTech: Separated openstack vlan I assume. Otherwise you're running a security problem possibly.21:26
gunixSamYaple: well yea, that would be the optimal performance, but some people prefer to have an easy setup21:26
SamYaplegunix: i would never classify OSA as an easy setup21:26
gunixSamYaple: i find OSA a lot easier than installing stuff on your own.21:26
SamYaplegunix: its one of the morecomplicated ones actually. its just the most flexible one21:26
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RandomTechexarr: yes these are two sepperated switches that host the internal networking for the cluster. its still technically a security issue if someone was to just swap a cable but the room is secure21:27
SamYaplegunix: idk, i wrote this in a couple of days. its not that complicated https://github.com/SamYaple/home-salt/tree/master/salt/files/openstack21:27
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SamYapleexarr: you will not be able to let a VM pass vlan tagged frames with openvswitch if that is what yo uare asking to do21:29
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SamYapleexarr: openvswitch explictily strips them with the rules neutron puts inplace21:29
SamYapleexarr: you can do this with linuxbridge and flat networks, but i wouldnt recommend it. possible todo though21:29
exarrRandomTech: Good to know how others are implementing things.21:29
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exarrSamYaple: I swear i'm gonna invent a shrink ray gun; kidnap you; shrink you; and then keep you in my pocket.21:30
SamYaplei think there is a movie about that startingmatt damon21:30
exarr:-) I need a moment to process what you're saying.21:31
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RandomTechSamYaple is normally a good guy to go to but can be confusing/high level. :p21:32
SamYapleth..thanks i guess21:33
exarrI want one interface, with native as vlan 10. But with the ability to allow vlan 20 and 30 on that interface for other networks. (presented as eth0, eth0.10, eth0.20)21:33
RandomTechim bad with compliments sorry21:33
gunixSamYaple: i want to show you something i wrote before starting with openstack-ansible21:33
gunixSamYaple: https://github.com/gun1x/scripts/tree/master/openstack21:34
exarrCan I not create a network trunk port for a flat port, and two subports for networks that are vlan'd?21:34
exarr(t's a little confusing how to read the methods, and how they are implemented on network trunk docs)21:34
SamYapleexarr: the only way to do that is with linuxbridge, flatnetworks and native+trunk vlan configuration on the switchport.... but again, the real answer here is "thats not possible"21:34
gunixSamYaple: these scripts were designed to install openstack bare metal, without containers. it was part of the first deployment i did. i am wondering if you consider writing scripts like this a good idea, or if i should stick to popular deployment solutions like charms, kolla and osa21:35
SamYaplegunix: moment21:35
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exarrSamYaple: I could switch to linuxbridge if this is the case. Accepting "it's not possible" is hard for me XD21:35
SamYaplegunix: https://github.com/SamYaple/openstack_libvirt_deploy21:36
SamYaplegunix: its an ok idea i suppose. it doesnt scale well21:36
exarr.. and now i'm struggling with the use case for network trunk ports from neutron :-(21:36
gunixSamYaple: osa doesn't really scale either21:36
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SamYaplegunix: dont look at me. i wrote kolla while at rackspace. and now i use salstack and kubernetes instead of ansible. im well aware21:37
SamYapleexarr: what is the goal here? why do you need to have subinterfaces like that in the vm?21:38
gunixSamYaple: why both saltstack AND kubernates? isn't kubernates enough ?21:38
SamYapleexarr: you can assign 3 ports to a vm21:38
exarrSamYaple: It's to emulate what we have in a live environment (non-openstack). People go all weird if things differ too much.21:38
SamYaplegunix: short answer? no. long answer: maybe. but you still have config generation/templating. then you have ordering which cannot be 100% assured with k8s alone, so you need to have the containers orchestrate themselves and templating the scripts can help with that21:39
exarrSamYaple: Also, I prefer saltstack - thought that project fizzled out after a takeover?21:39
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SamYapleexarr: you though saltstack as the deployment engine went away?21:39
exarrSamYaple: yeah. :-/21:39
SamYapleno21:40
exarrHmm. I'll have to re-look at that. I thought the people who was driving that deploymet method stopped pre-neutron after someone bought them and didn't continue to develop it.21:40
SamYapleexarr: then i would recommend getting some udev rules or startup scripts or whatever to rename those interfaces inside the instance to match what you want21:40
exarr*pre-newton21:40
SamYapleexarr: do you mean openstack-salt or saltstack (as in saltstack vs ansible)21:41
gunixSamYaple:21:41
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SamYaplegunix:21:41
gunix=))21:41
exarrsaltstack I use for my systems, but openstack-salt to /deploy/ openstack I thought fizzled out.21:41
gunixSamYaple: why did you use saltstack when you already have good skill with ansible?21:42
SamYapleexarr: yea thats gone. it was garbage anyway (technically it moved into saltstack upstream formulas)21:42
exarrahh. As I thought.21:42
SamYaplegunix: the answer to that question is hidden within the question itself21:42
* exarr ponders the mystic of that statement.21:43
SamYaplei have good skill with ansible. thats why i use saltstack21:43
gunixSamYaple: yes but there could be multiple underlying reasons. like 1. you knew ansible so you were 100% it's garbage for what you need 2. you got bored of ansible and wanted something new21:43
SamYapleansible has scaling issues and i dont like scaling issues. its also a bit clunky and HATES HATES HATES allowing you to follow DRY principle21:44
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SamYaplei like being able to template the yaml file when defining the tasks, not just the paramaters21:44
SamYapleor, you know, writting raw native python instead of yaml files21:44
gunixSamYaple: i did notice that osa looks like people got payed per line of code. i figured it's related to ansible limitations21:45
SamYaplethats a decent way to think about it yea21:45
gunixyou can write python with salt?21:45
gunixno21:45
gunixyou can use python within salt?21:45
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gunixSamYaple: also, is your salt + kubernates solution open source ?21:52
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exarrSamYaple: you and me and iirc gjgriffis(?) had a chat a while back about openstack and using the local lvm from the disk.21:57
exarrTrying to create anything >80G (or so) will not work.21:58
exarrThere was a patch proposed.21:58
exarrDo you remember this conversation?21:58
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exarrSo wish I could find that patch, or see if there has been headway to making this into the mainstream22:21
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