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| mdurrant | Having a weird issue - getting DuplicateOptError ('host' being the offender) starting nova with neutron enabled. Its not defined in any of my configuration and defining it anywhere results in the same | 10:32 |
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| mdurrant | I tracked down the two conf entries (neutron/conf/common.py and nova/conf/netconf.py) | 10:33 |
| mdurrant | ... if I just fixed the problem adding "host" to the [neutron] section of my nova config I'm gonna be upset | 10:37 |
| mdurrant | wow that was it | 10:39 |
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| mdurrant | par for the course for Openstack... never had anything make me feel so dumb in my life and I've been actively developing portions for almost 3 years. | 10:40 |
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| lvdombrkr | hello follks,anyone around? | 16:25 |
| DHE | occasionally. if you have a question, just ask and wait patiently | 16:28 |
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| lvdombrkr | DHE: thanks )))) i have issues with neutron l3 agent i assume..my instance not receive metadata route, i checked neutron agent logs there is no errors etc | 16:36 |
| lvdombrkr | maybe some ideas | 16:36 |
| lvdombrkr | where start investigate | 16:37 |
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| SamYaple | lvdombrkr: instance is getting dhcp? | 16:58 |
| SamYaple | are you running with isolated metadata network? (or is metadata handled in the routernamespace for you?) | 16:59 |
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| lvdombrkr | SamYaple: yes instance is getting ip http://paste.openstack.org/raw/675141/ | 17:02 |
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| lvdombrkr | SamYaple: enable_metadata_network=false | 17:03 |
| lvdombrkr | enable_isolated_metadata=True | 17:03 |
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| SamYaple | with that config, metadata takes place in the dhcp namespace | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | so start there | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | there is an actual port listening for you so it should be pretty easy to see if traffic is making it to the port | 17:06 |
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| SamYaple | if it isnt, then its between your computes and the namespace | 17:07 |
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| SamYaple | if it is, then its neutron talking to nova | 17:07 |
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| lvdombrkr | SamYaple: thanks, maybe you can describe a little bit closer where i should excatly check traffic? | 17:10 |
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| lvdombrkr | SamYaple: if ip netns one of my network i see : | 17:17 |
| lvdombrkr | [root@CentOS-74-64-minimal neutron]# ip netns exec qdhcp-4175a277-4625-421c-8550-af234cc214e0 ip route | 17:17 |
| lvdombrkr | default via 192.168.1.1 dev tapc143db71-12 | 17:17 |
| lvdombrkr | 192.168.1.0/24 dev tapc143db71-12 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.100 | 17:17 |
| lvdombrkr | as i understood there must be also root to metadata | 17:18 |
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| SamYaple | lvdombrkr: the route to metadata is in your instance | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | in that namespace, do `ss -plnt` | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | youllsee themetadata servicerunning | 17:24 |
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| lvdombrkr | SamYaple: http://paste.openstack.org/raw/675142/ | 17:27 |
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| SamYaple | so your metadata isntrunning | 17:34 |
| SamYaple | you could try restarting the metadata and dhcp services | 17:35 |
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| lvdombrkr | SamYaple: mhmm restarted and now its working | 17:40 |
| lvdombrkr | SamYaple: thanks!!! | 17:40 |
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| SamYaple | lvdombrkr: anytime! themetadata service has an unfortunate tendancy to die | 17:42 |
| SamYaple | so keep aneye on it | 17:42 |
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| lvdombrkr | SamYaple: i owe you some bears ))) | 17:47 |
| DHE | 17:48 | |
| SamYaple | lvdombrkr: ill settle for beers i guess | 17:49 |
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| mdurrant | wow. I've been chasing my tail on a really similar problem as lvdombrkr except my metadata service is running (or so it appears). haproxy listening on *:80 but I can see from tcpdump I'm not getting a response to DHCP discover. | 19:23 |
| mdurrant | its been a ong night | 19:23 |
| mdurrant | so long typing an l is problematic :) | 19:23 |
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| mdurrant | ... methinks my static route to 169.254.etc might be the issue... | 19:25 |
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| lvdombrkr | mdurrant: its worked as excepted ever? | 19:30 |
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| lvdombrkr | i mean problem started as you deploy openstack or later? | 19:31 |
| mdurrant | I have an existing liberty cloud I inherited - it works. Building a pike cloud... its not working as well | 19:31 |
| mdurrant | Using the liberty cloud as a model (I can see many of the options are unnecessary/deprecated now) - and my cirros instances will not DHCP. Even setting the addresses statically gets me nowwhere... makes me think I have an issue between vlan configs / OVS | 19:33 |
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| mdurrant | Yes, started as I've delpoyed. Not using juju/ansible/any of that stuff. Doing it by hand so I can understand how it works a little better. | 19:35 |
| mdurrant | Obviously I need to improve my understanding heh | 19:35 |
| lvdombrkr | mdurrant: uhh you are first from i hear that not used any automation tools ) | 19:37 |
| lvdombrkr | bad think is that thats make trobelshooting more difficult | 19:38 |
| mdurrant | I can do that once I understand how all the pieces fit together. Stuff "just works" right up until it doesn't and if I don't understand how it works then I have a harder time fixing it. | 19:39 |
| mdurrant | and unfortunately my existing cloud was dougwig's first cloud and he admittedly made some errors in judgement putting it together. | 19:39 |
| mdurrant | even more unfortunately he's on vacation and I really don't wanna bug him | 19:40 |
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| mdurrant | "even more unfortunately" ... I _swear_ English is my native language. :) | 19:42 |
| mdurrant | pfffffffffffft who needs dnsmasq config | 19:44 |
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| SamYaple | mdurrant: so whats your exact problem? no dhcp? | 19:50 |
| SamYaple | ah i see the scroll back | 19:51 |
| mdurrant | SamYaple: no DHCP is the symptom... looks like most of my flows terminating in drop entries is the problem. | 19:51 |
| SamYaple | ok mdurrant, my advice would be to trace the dhcp request and see where it dies | 19:51 |
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| mdurrant | It doesn't leave the compute | 19:51 |
| SamYaple | does it leave the tap? | 19:52 |
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| mdurrant | ... spinning up an instance to get the tcpdump ... | 19:54 |
| mdurrant | OK - so I see the dhcp request, and the reply... but the instance seemingly ignores the reply. | 19:55 |
| SamYaple | cirros? | 19:55 |
| mdurrant | aye | 19:55 |
| SamYaple | 0.3.5 | 19:55 |
| SamYaple | ? | 19:55 |
| mdurrant | Yes | 19:57 |
| mdurrant | Sorry was waiting for the thing to boot and realized I could look at the file name | 19:57 |
| mdurrant | *smh* - should I try 0.4.0 ? | 19:58 |
| SamYaple | you can, the version bumps are almost always dhcp related | 19:59 |
| SamYaple | but you see the reply return on the tap? | 19:59 |
| mdurrant | Yes. In theory I should be able to set the address statically and ping my next hop out, yeah? | 19:59 |
| SamYaple | yes | 19:59 |
| mdurrant | Yeah, no dice there. That being the case, I'm suspecting l2/ovs issues. I disabled l2population thinking that might be the culprit. | 20:00 |
| SamYaple | dont disable that :P | 20:00 |
| SamYaple | arp_responder and l2pop are goodwith ovs | 20:01 |
| SamYaple | needed almost | 20:01 |
| mdurrant | Its disabled on my liberty cloud... my switch blinks like a bad neon sign | 20:01 |
| mdurrant | Not sure if using the liberty cloud as a basis for comparison is a wise ide | 20:01 |
| SamYaple | yea pike is leaps and bounds ahead of liberty for this | 20:01 |
| SamYaple | it wasnt great in liberty to enable l2pop | 20:02 |
| mdurrant | OK I'll try cirros 0.4.0 first ... looking at the flows on my OVS bridges, however, I see a lot of rules that have drop has their action... I need to find out how it got that way | 20:03 |
| mdurrant | thank you | 20:05 |
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| SamYaple | mdurrant: working? | 20:09 |
| mdurrant | testing 0.4.0 right now | 20:09 |
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| mdurrant | nope, a couple dozen DHCP replies that are completely ignored | 20:10 |
| mdurrant | and I see arp requests from the DHCP server that go unanswered | 20:11 |
| mdurrant | this has gotta be an l2 thing... security group is wide open | 20:11 |
| mdurrant | Does that seem like an unreasonable hypothesis? | 20:12 |
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| mdurrant | Wild - setting the interface IP, I can now see ARP requests from the instance for the router's IP, the router responds with its MAC... and the instance cares not. | 20:14 |
| lvdombrkr | SamYaple: one more question if you have minute, i have interesting issue.. i create external network with ipv6 and when try to ping dhcp assigned ip from "outside" and its not reachible..but after i ping something from this created ipv6 namespace i can reach it also from outside but only for a next 5-10 minutes...its very strange issue | 20:14 |
| lvdombrkr | maybe some ideas | 20:14 |
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| SamYaple | lvdombrkr: oh wow. that is strange | 20:37 |
| SamYaple | where is the ping dropping? | 20:37 |
| SamYaple | mdurrant: check that your packets checksums are good. LRO/GRO can screw with that an the kernel in the instance would just not respond | 20:37 |
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| lvdombrkr | SamYaple: when i tried to ping it from outside, and do tcpdump on host i can see packets on my eno1 but on br-ex not | 20:41 |
| lvdombrkr | from ip netns exec qdhcp-cdf55010-eb0d-4459-9ef4-67cc05907dba i can ping everything | 20:42 |
| mdurrant | hmmm gro is turned on but lro isn't | 20:42 |
| mdurrant | good catch | 20:42 |
| mdurrant | thanks | 20:42 |
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| lvdombrkr | so packets is going out but not going in... and going out only after i send some packets out and only for some minutes | 20:47 |
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| mdurrant | sounds a lot like MAC addresses aging out... would explain why it starts working when you ping out I think? | 20:47 |
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| Nafallo | yeah, I agree it sounds like some ARP cache issue... | 20:48 |
| Nafallo | well | 20:48 |
| lvdombrkr | how can i investigate that? im not network engineer )) | 20:49 |
| Nafallo | actually, if the guest see the traffic, maybe not. | 20:49 |
| lvdombrkr | so maybe some ideas how to discover rootcase? | 20:51 |
| mdurrant | frames would still get dumped onto the interface but if they don't know the MAC of the source they can't respond to the ping - that's my reasoning. You'd see the incoming but not be able to respond... my brain is kinda fuzzy right now though its been a long night | 20:51 |
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| Nafallo | I think I had this issue in reverse on my alarm at home. I had to ping them from the router before they could task to the alarm centrals. | 20:53 |
| Nafallo | I never figured it out before new firmware fixed the issue... | 20:53 |
| Nafallo | s/task/talk/ | 20:53 |
| lvdombrkr | mhmmm......but why i can ping it from outside for some minutes only after do ping from it? | 20:57 |
| lvdombrkr | maybe some issues with routes or bridges | 20:58 |
| Nafallo | that answer will probably be obvious once you've figured out what the issue is ;-) | 20:58 |
| Nafallo | but yeah, initial response will be arp related... | 20:59 |
| mdurrant | yeaaaaa I'm having to think too hard to pass gas much less pass traffic... time for sleep. Thanks for the help everyone, I'll give this a stab in the AM and I think I'll be able to reason through it a bit better. | 20:59 |
| Nafallo | that's where I'd start looking. | 20:59 |
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| lvdombrkr | okey thanks guys... i will try investigate it | 21:01 |
| mdurrant | Nafallo, lvdombrkr I wanna say security groups to start? That would explain egress populating the ARP table, aging out, and then ingress not working... I don't remember if it works at that level? | 21:02 |
| mdurrant | ... I had to think really hard about my mother's maiden name though and its one of the most common surnames in the western world sooooo yea, a couple grains of salt would be advisable with that. | 21:03 |
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| StefanS_ | Hi! I just created my first image and I'd like to give the user of this image the option to customize the image during instantiation by using some well-defined properties. Something like image specific metadata definitions I can catch up in a cloud-init script. | 22:12 |
| StefanS_ | Is something like this possible? | 22:12 |
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| persia | StefanS_: cloud-init allowd running arbitrary commands on first boot, so certainly. The simple way would be to include points of articulation in the image that would be controlled by the cloud-init script. A richer way would be to add a feature to cloud-init to specifically collect data to target your articulation. Somewhere between the two would be to have cloud-init upload a data file in a specified format, and then call a script to read that | 22:30 |
| persia | data file, where the script already controls the articulation points. | 22:30 |
| * persia suspects there are many other solutions to this class of problem | 22:30 | |
| StefanS_ | persia: Could you give me an example how I can access user provided arbitrary information in a cloud-init script? For example How could the user provide his name and a cloud-init script touches /tmp/${name}? | 22:36 |
| persia | StefanS_: I've never done the price thing. I'd probably start from https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html#run-commands-on-first-boot, likely mixed with https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html#writing-out-arbitrary-files | 22:37 |
| persia | I think write_files: could populate /tmp/${name} for you, but you might want to run a command that read your created (perhaps with a more static pathname), and used it to create e.g. a user with a populated GECOS entry. | 22:38 |
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| persia | (although in the specific case of creating/changing users, cloud-init has a function for this, not needing a custom script) | 22:39 |
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| StefanS_ | persia: I already found these examples, but I think my problem is, that I have no clue (and found no examples) how to access some user-provided data during the cloud-init execution | 22:40 |
| persia | s/price/precise/ | 22:40 |
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| z0rx | https://www.g2a.com/r/csgo-discount-7 | 22:41 |
| persia | Either A) have the user write a file to a well-known path, and call a script to read that path (or pre-configure to read the path on first boot), or B) add a feature to cloud-init (and I don't know how to do the latter, but assume it possible due to the number of supported features) | 22:41 |
| persia | In case (A), the user provides data into the file, and then, when the system boots, your script reads that data, and uses it to do whatever initialisation you think appropriate. | 22:42 |
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| persia | Whether the script is triggered by cloud_init (via bootcmd: or runcmd:), or pre-inserted into the image to be launched by the init system is up to you. | 22:43 |
| StefanS_ | So in userdata during VM instantiation the user provides some write_file entry with this user-provided data into a defined place and my script has to read it from there? | 22:43 |
| persia | That is the way that seems simplest to me. As I said, I suspect there are many other ways to do it. | 22:44 |
| z0rx | https://www.g2a.com/r/csgo-discount-7 | 22:44 |
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| StefanS_ | Feels rather hacky... :-( | 22:44 |
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| StefanS_ | Can I access metadata attributes by cloud-init scripts? | 22:45 |
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| persia | That I don't know. | 22:47 |
| persia | And, sadly, the next tool I reach for after what I've described is adding an entry to the cloudinit source in cloudinit/config/, which only works if you can control which version of cloudinit everyone runs, or wait for everyone to upgrade. | 22:48 |
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| StefanS_ | persia: Ok, thank you for all this insights. I think I have an idea now, how I've to takle my original problem. I think this generic VM side approach is not viable (at least for a cloud-init dummy as me :-)) | 22:56 |
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| persia | Best of luck. As I understand it, lots of folk use cloud-init to trigger configuration management to make one image work for nearly all their use cases. if it doesn't work for you, then I'm sure you'll find something that does. | 22:58 |
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| StefanS_ | persia: If you have some more time I'd need some help with another problem regarding openstack networking. | 23:00 |
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| persia | In general, I strongly recommend just asking questions, rather than looking for specific folk. Firstly people might not know much about different things, and secondly other people may have better answers. | 23:01 |
| StefanS_ | persia: Ok, thank you nevertheless :-) | 23:01 |
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| persia | I don't know if I can help, I would be happy to if I can, but I suspect that someone else can provide a better answer for openstack networking (but wouldn't want to suggest who that might be at this day and hour) | 23:02 |
| StefanS_ | My problem is, that the dns resolution does'nt work inside the internal networks | 23:03 |
| persia | Can you ping the DNS server from an instance where DNS doesn't work? Is the resolver configured on the instances? | 23:04 |
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| persia | If you're using a DNS feature provided by openstack, I have no idea, but sometimes these sorts of problems are more general :) | 23:05 |
| StefanS_ | Erm, I had to set my regular dns server in my home network in /etc/neutron/dhcp_agent.ini as dnsmasq_dns_server to be able to access the internet in appropriate networks... | 23:11 |
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| persia | So it works now? | 23:11 |
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| StefanS_ | I changed this some days ago. After that I could ping www.google.de and use apt_get and so on. Could this cause the issues with the naming resolution of internal hostnames? | 23:13 |
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| persia | Possibly, yes, presuming you don't have any agent on the instances registering the names with the DNS server, and your issue is with finding names of other instances in the cloud (or otherwise finding names for which that nameserver doesn't have an answer). | 23:15 |
| persia | I don't know the suggested best practice to solve that, sadly. | 23:15 |
| persia | I suspect that you want one of a) running DNS on the control plane, b) running a dns server on an instance, or c) running a DNS service within the cloud | 23:16 |
| persia | But which of these, and the subtleties of getting it right are outside my knowledge. | 23:17 |
| StefanS_ | Ok, I'll look later into this. For now I try to fiddle around with cloud-init :-) | 23:18 |
| StefanS_ | Thank you for all your help :-) | 23:18 |
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