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redcavalier | Hi, we juste updated to pike and now all our API requests return "not found" | 00:26 |
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setuid | marst: Yes, we have it set to cpu_mode=host-model, and also tried 'custom' with 'cpu_model=kvm64', and it fails in both cases | 00:29 |
setuid | One CPU is Haswell-noTSX, the other is Broadwell | 00:29 |
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setuid | marst: Any ideas? Suggestions? I've tried just about everything. | 02:07 |
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SamYaple | setuid: you arent going to be able to modify the generated template, but you should be able to explicity set the flags you want with the cpu_mode/cpu_model stuff | 05:06 |
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setuid | SamYaple: The problem is that even when I explicitly set it in the instance xml, it's reverted | 05:06 |
SamYaple | how is it failing in both cases for you? | 05:06 |
SamYaple | you cant modify the instance xml. that will never work | 05:06 |
setuid | 1.) I can't migrate between the hosts, 2.) I can't use nested kvm, if I choose anything but host-model | 05:06 |
SamYaple | nova generates them | 05:06 |
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SamYaple | ok so this is two issues | 05:07 |
setuid | So what exactly is the point of 'virsh cpu-compare' producing XML output that I can't use anywhere? | 05:07 |
SamYaple | you want this to work for live migration, and you want nested kvm? | 05:07 |
setuid | The issue is that in order to permit migration, we set cpu_mode=custom, cpu_model=kvm64, lowest-common-denominator. | 05:07 |
SamYaple | setuid: the point would be to get the common flags that you can then set in the nova.conf | 05:07 |
setuid | So migration works, and nested kvm breaks | 05:07 |
setuid | I set cpu_mode=host-model, comment out cpu_model, and now nested kvm works, but migration fails | 05:08 |
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SamYaple | right because kvm64 model doesnt support svm/vmx | 05:09 |
SamYaple | so what it *sounds* like you want to do is create a custom cpu model with your flags only | 05:10 |
SamYaple | which youll have to do in libvirt on *all* computes | 05:10 |
setuid | Right, once we figure out the right median cpu, we can roll that to all compute nodes | 05:10 |
SamYaple | setuid: /usr/share/libvirt/cpu_map.xml ; add your custom cpu there | 05:11 |
SamYaple | then set it in nova, cpu_model=your_name | 05:11 |
setuid | That's going to get clobbered with each new libvirt upgrade, no? | 05:11 |
SamYaple | yep. it probably will be | 05:11 |
SamYaple | maybe virsh has a way to make it permenanter | 05:11 |
SamYaple | dunno, but that would do what you want | 05:11 |
setuid | So in this case, the nested kvm need is to be able to run the android emulator inside an openstack instance. Would it be possible to just create a custom image that has this all baked in? | 05:12 |
SamYaple | the image is after qemu figures out the cpu flags. so it will have nothing to do with that level | 05:12 |
setuid | Also, is it possible to leave cpu_map.xml alone, and change the kvm launch args by passing --args --cpu ... -qemu [args] ? | 05:12 |
SamYaple | no | 05:13 |
setuid | Ok, so let's say we take the custom cpu route... how would we best determine the right flags to maximize compatibilty? The docs _imply_ that host-model handles that dynamically. | 05:13 |
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setuid | "If your nova.conf file contains cpu_mode=host-model, libvirt identifies the CPU model in /usr/share/libvirt/cpu_map.xml file that most closely matches the host, and requests additional CPU flags to complete the match. This configuration provides the maximum functionality and performance and maintains good reliability and compatibility if the guest is migrated to another host with slightly different host CPUs." | 05:14 |
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setuid | It's the "requests additional CPU flags to complete the match" that is unclear to me | 05:15 |
SamYaple | that doesnt say anything about two machines. thats just yours | 05:15 |
SamYaple | you cant change a running vms cpu flags on the fly | 05:15 |
setuid | "...if the guest is migrated to another host with slightly different host CPUs." | 05:15 |
setuid | Oh, of course | 05:15 |
setuid | I can respin new instances after making the nova.conf change, that's not a problem | 05:16 |
SamYaple | no i meant for migration | 05:16 |
setuid | host-model allows us to use nested kvm, but still doesn't allow migration from Haswell-noTSX to Broadwell | 05:16 |
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SamYaple | what those docs say to me is "i check the host for the most compatible model in cpu_map.xml that doesnt use special features to maintain the best compatibly between hosts" | 05:17 |
setuid | Ok, so use 'virsh capabilities' on each dissimilar host, snip the <cpu>...</cpu> bit out of the output, then run 'virsh cpu-compare' on that output, which spits out some generic cpu flags... | 05:17 |
SamYaple | but either way, a custom cpu would do it for you if you cant find one to fit your needs | 05:17 |
SamYaple | setuid: that sounds right | 05:17 |
setuid | Here's what I get: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/47bb49f0/ | 05:18 |
setuid | So then basically roll that back into cpu_map.xml as a custom name, and use _that_ in nova.conf? | 05:18 |
setuid | Is there a way to snip this into a 'custom_cpu_map.xml' style file that libvirt can read, without modifying core/ | 05:19 |
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setuid | s,/,?, | 05:19 |
SamYaple | i have no clue. would be nice though | 05:19 |
SamYaple | the rest of what you said is correct | 05:19 |
SamYaple | do remember though, if you are only ever launching one thing, you can just stomp the whole file | 05:20 |
SamYaple | you dont need 52 choices and your custom one if you just use the custom one | 05:20 |
setuid | We may have a few different generations of CPUs though, so we'll have to find a way to mechanize this | 05:21 |
setuid | maybe we can pull the capabilities back with ansible and automate the cpu_map.xml, to include our injection | 05:21 |
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SamYaple | or you could just copy kvm64 and add vmx | 05:21 |
SamYaple | but getting more flags is generally considered better | 05:21 |
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setuid | Is this "normal", to create custom cpu types for migration like this? | 05:26 |
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redcavalier | hrm, my neutron client has stopped working properly ever since the upgrade to pike | 05:59 |
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redcavalier | all commands return an unknown command error | 06:00 |
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redcavalier | if I do neutron help, the list of commands doesn'T even appear | 06:09 |
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setuid | SamYaple: Thanks for the help, going to give this a go on the dev clusters in a few hours | 06:24 |
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_ix | Morning folks. Anyone have experience with running neutron in a dvr setup? | 10:30 |
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_ix | It seems non-deterministic, but about 40-50% of the machines I create have network problems. | 10:31 |
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robin2244_ | Hi everybody, someone can help me please ? i want build openstack infrastructure (Ubuntu 16.04, OpenStack Queens), but i can't upload/create new image i have this error HTTPInternalServerError (HTTP 500) and with telnet controller 35357 -> Connection refused. Someone have any idea ? | 13:31 |
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avi_ | robin2244 check if the keystone is running. | 13:54 |
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cnf | anyone know how to run tempest using a proxy? | 13:55 |
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larsks | robin2244_: the first step in diagnosing any problem like that is to look at your server logs and see if there are errors that identify the problem. If you expect keystone to be listening on 35357 and you're getting a "connection refused" error, it suggests that keystone isn't running. That means you probably want to start investigating keystone: if it's running standalone, look in /var/log/keystone. If | 15:09 |
larsks | it's running as a wsgi service under Apache, look wherever Apache is configured to store the logs. | 15:09 |
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jtcressy | When deploying 3 storage hosts, can cinder/swift deploy on these hosts alongside ceph? Or, can cinder/swift exist on the controller node(s)? I just want to avoid dedicating a single machine to JUST cinder/swift. | 18:24 |
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larsks | You can certainly deployed cinder and/or swift alongside other services. | 18:31 |
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larsks | jtcressy: ^^^^ | 18:31 |
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jtcressy | Awesome. Using TripleO to do my deployment, so I assume it should coordinate things appropriately. | 18:32 |
larsks | In fact, the default tripleo configuration I believe puts all services, including swift and cinder, on the controller nodes. | 18:32 |
larsks | You need a custom configuration if you want to split those services out ontop dedicated nodes. | 18:32 |
jtcressy | off the top of your head, do you know how much ram ceph requires per node per gigabyte of disk? | 18:33 |
jtcressy | er, terabyte rather. | 18:33 |
jtcressy | I know that ZFS likes 8GB + 1GB/1TB disk for ram. | 18:33 |
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codershanks | can anybody tell me how to start with openstack? I am a total newbie to this world. | 18:36 |
DHE | there are install guides on the Docs web site if you want to do it manually, and there are a couple of automated install/config apps as well | 18:38 |
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codershanks | thanks a lot.. I will look into it. | 18:38 |
codershanks | any suggestions ?? | 18:38 |
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DHE | while the manual method probably teaches the most, it's also going to be tedious and it assumes your controller is a fairly good machine running multiple jobs. I would start there, but be willing the throw away the prototype at the end of it in case there's something you don't like about the examples | 18:40 |
larsks | jtcressy: I'm not sure. | 18:40 |
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jtcressy | larsks: Looks like ceph is similar to ZFS ram requirements, without the 8GB minimum. 1GB/1TB physical disk per node. So if I have 18TB of disk space on each machine, i want to have at least 18GB of ram (32 to be safe and align to a power of 2) | 18:45 |
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cliles | is there a way to set the instance domain name from .novalocal per project or is it only dhcp_domain ? | 19:35 |
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darkfires | i'm having an issue where a restarted l3 agent is causing a router to automigrate as master to a node with a different availability zone than the network of the router, and the availability zone is defined in the l3 agent config as well as neutron's config .. ideally i would prefer a restarted agent to not do migrate anything upon restart.. anyone know a solution to that? | 19:59 |
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aning | Hi, test if I can post | 21:36 |
aning | Could somebody ack so that I know I'm in? | 21:36 |
dtk | you're in | 21:37 |
aning | Thx | 21:37 |
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aning | question, starting from Ocata, the keystone "user" table seems to be obsolete and I can see all users are in local_user table, but "user" table is still there, why that? | 21:38 |
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aning | The reason I'm asking is that, when upgrade from Newton to Ocata, in 014_contract_add_domain_id_to_user_table.py ,it adds ForeignKeyConstraints to local_user table, with reference to "user" table | 21:46 |
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aning | but the "user" table doesn't have id and domain_id in it | 21:47 |
aning | how could this work? | 21:47 |
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marst | aning: Hi. I guess you'll have a lot more luck in #openstack-keystone channel with that question. | 22:10 |
aning | Thx. | 22:11 |
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aning | I'm rather new to IRC ... | 22:11 |
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aning | now at lease I know people see my question and I can see other people's repy. | 22:12 |
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darkfires | if you're very lucky.. i don't remember the last time i got an answer to any of my questions | 22:17 |
darkfires | lol | 22:17 |
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DHE | is there a documentation, blog post, or anything about someone setting up an advanced-ish redundant VXLAN network? I want to build something like that but want to see what others have done. like, redundant switches, servers with 2 NICs for vm networks, etc. | 22:45 |
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SamYaple | darkfires: if i recall, the router az stuff is set at time of creation, and the neutron.conf is the default zones | 23:22 |
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SamYaple | darkfires: which makes me think your router is for all azs and youll need to update it to a single one | 23:22 |
SamYaple | but i only messed with router azs breifly | 23:22 |
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darkfires | you're correct, i actually only just figured that part out.. i assumed it would have worked off the az's on the networks themselves, i had to edit the database table neutron.router_extra_attributes to set the zone_hints, it's still showing it's in both zones tho and i'm not sure where cause i dumped the whole neutron database and searched for the az labels | 23:25 |
darkfires | not sure why they didn't include az in update cli | 23:25 |
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darkfires | dhe: i actually just setup a vxlan tunnel between two dc's with two seperate 10g links and was surprised at the lack of decent linux vxlan documentation, but if you are looking at what switches to buy for such a setup i suggest looking at arista's , the newer models have builtin support for vxlan's and openstack | 23:30 |
darkfires | their mlag abilities are amazing .. active/active spanning tree | 23:30 |
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darkfires | all our openstack nodes have dual 10g nic's, bonded one to each switch.. so either switch can die and inet/storage doesn't even drop a single packet | 23:31 |
SamYaple | im very familiar with aristas openstack parts | 23:31 |
SamYaple | L2 integration is ok, L3 is bad | 23:32 |
SamYaple | but if you are just using it for a vxlan aware switch, its great too | 23:32 |
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DHE | darkalia: it's more about the nova and neutron server configs. there's 2 vxlan implementations: linux built-in and openvswitch. openvswitch doesn't support multicast-based broadcasts which I think I need for the provider VTEP, and the linux kernel forces a single device for multicast selection which defeats redundant NICs | 23:35 |
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darkfires | yeah, i worked around that by bonding two vxlan interfaces | 23:35 |
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DHE | I was thinking of something like bridging both NICs and have each connected to a layer 3 switch configured with a /29 for each nova host... | 23:36 |
DHE | I have no idea if this is a good idea or what.. | 23:36 |
darkfires | i'd setup bonding on both nics then you can stick that on a bridge if needed | 23:37 |
DHE | so MC-LAG on the switches? | 23:38 |
darkfires | yeah | 23:38 |
DHE | hadn't thought of that... | 23:38 |
DHE | this is what you're running? | 23:38 |
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darkfires | simply bridging the two nic's doesn't handle faults | 23:38 |
darkfires | yep | 23:39 |
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jtcressy | Has anyone had problems building overcloud images on tripleO? "openstack overcloud image build" keeps failing with a message towards the end that says "operation failed: no such file or directory". I'm on CentOS7 trying to build said image. | 23:47 |
jtcressy | Evidently there were once bugs around this about a year ago, but this is the *pike* release. | 23:48 |
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jtcressy | Ah, I found a way to just download the images. Hope this works. | 23:55 |
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