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jadajada | Hi, anyone experienced with setting permissions in Horizon panels? | 10:10 |
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morsik | Hi, it's possible somehow to have SNAT on external network when using BGP Speaker? | 11:24 |
morsik | We configured BGP Speaker which needed same Address Scope between internal and external network, but such configuration disabled external SNAT which is not desired... | 11:25 |
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yourselfname | hello... | 11:45 |
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hegemoOn | good morning | 11:47 |
hegemoOn | is there way to get history of vm running on a compute ? | 11:47 |
hegemoOn | my issue is that i have a compute powered off, and i was sure at least one vm was running on it two weeks ago. | 11:48 |
hegemoOn | i would like to know which one | 11:48 |
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frickler | morsik: can you explain your use case for that? why do you want BGP for networks that are NATted? | 12:04 |
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avtar_ | hegemoOn you can check nova database for the information. | 12:59 |
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jadajada | Hi, can someone give me a simple explanation how role based authentication should work within Horizon? I can't make sense out of it. I have devstack running, to keep it as simple as possible. I have set "openstack.roles.admin" in a panel. My admin user has the right privileges, and I still get a "permission denied" error. Am I missing something? | 13:45 |
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ejat | hi, i tried to resize the instance but the storage doesnt change to the new resize flavor | 15:26 |
ejat | where should i troubleshoot? | 15:26 |
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SamYaple | ejat: which storage? cinder volume? root disk? | 15:31 |
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ejat | SamYaple: volume attached | 15:33 |
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ejat | root disk | 15:33 |
ejat | and ephemeral disk | 15:34 |
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ejat | only vcpu n vram change | 15:34 |
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SamYaple | ejat: are you sure the sizehasnt changed? it wont auto resize the disks for you | 15:35 |
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ejat | even choose automatically ? | 15:37 |
ejat | so need manually resize/lvm inside instances | 15:38 |
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ejat | but at the volume tab its still show the size of 1st instance launched | 15:39 |
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SamYaple | the *cinder* volume doesnt resize basedon nova flavors | 15:39 |
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SamYaple | nova only controls root/swap/ephemeral disks (and vcpu and ram) | 15:40 |
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ejat | SamYaple: ok .. just notice the size of root & ephemeral in hypervisor changed based on the nova flavors | 15:43 |
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SamYaple | sounds like thats all working appropriately then | 15:44 |
SamYaple | i *think* if you have an xfs parition it my auto resize for you, but thats a cloud-init implementation detail | 15:45 |
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ejat | SamYaple: how to configure nova-compute to use ceph instead of local disk ? | 16:01 |
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ejat | configure in nova.conf , images_type = rbd ? | 16:05 |
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SamYaple | ejat: https://github.com/SamYaple/home-salt/blob/master/salt/files/openstack/nova/nova.conf.j2#L44-L49 | 16:07 |
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* ejat build using juju | 16:12 | |
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ejat | SamYaple: i have xfs partition , i changed the nova to use rbd .. the nova root/ephemeral not auto resize | 16:38 |
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SamYaple | i guess cloud-init (which runs in your instance....) isnt doing it | 16:39 |
SamYaple | but it is a problem that needs to be solved inside your instance | 16:39 |
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ygl | hi all | 16:44 |
ygl | i want to launch a vm with a dummy nic interface without an IP assigned to it . can someone help me how to do it please | 16:44 |
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ygl | can anyone help me please | 16:49 |
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ygl | can someone help me please | 16:54 |
ygl | i want to launch a vm with a dummy nic interface without an IP assigned to it . can someone help me how to do it please | 16:54 |
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SamYaple | lol | 18:30 |
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arbaindu | Are there any recommendations for setting the max_pool_size and max_overflow settings? Supposing our mysql DB is configured to allow many more open connections and won't be an issue, is there any *downside* to doubling or tripling the default values? | 18:53 |
arbaindu | Specifically for neutron, say to 30 max_pool_size and 100 for max_overflow. We are currently at 10/50 | 18:53 |
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SamYaple | arbaindu: downside is more memory/resource usage. you can safely bump the numbners up to 10,000 without much worry | 18:54 |
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SamYaple | if you have a decent bit of ram (not a 8gb box) | 18:55 |
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SamYaple | however, do remember mysql has a max connection limit too | 18:55 |
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arbaindu | yea, we are only at about 50% of mysql limit currently | 18:55 |
arbaindu | so lot of headroom | 18:55 |
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SamYaple | sure. you can safely increase that number alot | 18:55 |
arbaindu | it is a 36 core controller. running 8 api workers and 4 rpc workers currently | 18:56 |
SamYaple | the default value isnt reasonable in my opinion, but its the default what can you do | 18:56 |
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SamYaple | we set the max_pool_size to 100 and overflow to 500 on a ~500 node cluster without much issue | 18:57 |
SamYaple | we dont have as many api workers though | 18:57 |
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marst | SamYaple: May I ask how many compute nodes do you have? | 19:02 |
marst | *controller | 19:03 |
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arbaindu | SamYaple: i'm curious as well. specifically how many rpc_workers are you using for such a setup (per controller plus in total as well, if using multiple controller) | 19:04 |
SamYaple | 3 controllers, decently size (dont have the specs in front of me) | 19:04 |
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SamYaple | i only have one rpc_worker running per controller per service, so 3 in total | 19:05 |
SamYaple | we had more at one point but we ran into bugs with tls | 19:05 |
SamYaple | we dont seem to be bottlenecking on the workers since we moved to ocata | 19:06 |
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SamYaple | we did switch to full wsgi based api deploy which helped alot | 19:07 |
arbaindu | Our main bottlenecks always seem to be RPC layer related | 19:07 |
SamYaple | helped the load on the rpc thread i mean | 19:07 |
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arbaindu | timeouts, and now after bumping rpc_workers and pushing scale further, queuepool limits | 19:07 |
arbaindu | however we are still only using Newton | 19:07 |
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SamYaple | we just pushed from mitaka to ocata | 19:08 |
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SamYaple | we are still ironing out the edges, but switching to the wsgi has helped alot | 19:08 |
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arbaindu | SamYaple: "full wsgi based api deploy" - can you elaborate? | 19:11 |
arbaindu | as opposed to what prior? | 19:11 |
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arbaindu | Does not neutron already use this? for example, "neutron.wsgi [-] (7782) wsgi starting up on http://0.0.0.0:9696" | 19:12 |
SamYaple | arbaindu: we deploy nginx+uwsgi (nginx talks to uwsgi over a socket) | 19:12 |
SamYaple | this is different than the eventlet based deploy we had in mitaka | 19:12 |
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SamYaple | because (in ocata) the nova-api and neutron-api are not fully split out, we do run a copy of nova-api and neutron-server that is eventlet based so it spawns the rpc workers properly | 19:13 |
SamYaple | but haproxy does not loadbalance to them, we have a nova and neutron nginx+uwsgi running that haproxy loadbalances to | 19:14 |
SamYaple | there is a neutron-rpc-worker in later versions of openstack, but there are some outstanding bugs with it | 19:14 |
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SamYaple | the line you are pasting is eventlet spawning the wsgi server which is not quite... good | 19:15 |
SamYaple | eventlet is really bad at tls in my experince | 19:15 |
SamYaple | we do internal tls for everything | 19:15 |
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arbaindu | SamYaple: Ah thanks. wasnt aware that was even a possibility. cant find any documentation about neutron supporting it. is there any guide for setting it up this way? | 20:23 |
SamYaple | not specifically. most deploymenttools havent figured it all out yet | 20:25 |
SamYaple | but hold on | 20:25 |
arbaindu | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/deploy-api-in-wsgi.html | 20:25 |
arbaindu | seems to indicate its only supports in some projects , which doesnt include neutron? | 20:25 |
SamYaple | this has all my configs that im running at home (sorry, cant link the work stuff) https://github.com/SamYaple/home-salt/tree/master/salt/files/openstack | 20:25 |
SamYaple | support is fine with the exception of the rpc issue, which i gave a workaround for | 20:26 |
gauravak[m] | Hi all!! | 20:26 |
gauravak[m] | Very recently, I deployed OPNFV XCI installer with opendtack integrated with ODL SFC | 20:26 |
gauravak[m] | However therr are some porblems I am facing | 20:26 |
gauravak[m] | Can i get some help? | 20:26 |
SamYaple | gauravak[m]: im not actually familiar with that effort. what specific issue are you facing? | 20:28 |
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gauravak[m] | i am able to login into my instance | 20:29 |
gauravak[m] | Howver unable to ping 8.8.8.8 | 20:29 |
gauravak[m] | Shows destination port unreachable | 20:29 |
SamYaple | sounds like a security group issue | 20:30 |
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gauravak[m] | Though i can ping internal network | 20:30 |
SamYaple | oh im sorry, misread | 20:30 |
SamYaple | yea thats goign to be a bit tougher for me to help with as im not terribly familiar with opendaylight | 20:31 |
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SamYaple | you can wait for a response from someone else here, or possibly check with #openstack-neutron , but that is geared more toward development | 20:32 |
SamYaple | there is also ask.openstack.org | 20:32 |
gauravak[m] | Thank you sir | 20:34 |
gauravak[m] | That was a great help | 20:34 |
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gunix | SamYaple: are you around ? | 22:14 |
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SamYaple | gunix: mostly | 22:19 |
gunix | SamYaple: can you please help me better understand the advantages of OVS ? | 22:19 |
gunix | a colleague told me today that active/active can be achieved with the neutron routers, if ovs is used | 22:19 |
SamYaple | eh kind of | 22:20 |
SamYaple | they are probably refering to DVR | 22:20 |
gunix | and that multiple controllers are not required, since the compute servers will continue to provide network for the VMs even if the compute networks are down | 22:20 |
gunix | yea, he mentioned DVR, and i have no idea what that is | 22:20 |
SamYaple | ok. so DVR isnt the magic pill it looks like on paper | 22:20 |
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SamYaple | its really cool, for a specific use case | 22:20 |
gunix | i have no idea how it looks on paper :)) | 22:20 |
SamYaple | basically, all computes spoof themselves as the router for *outgoing* traffic | 22:21 |
SamYaple | bypassingthe l3 router in neutron | 22:21 |
SamYaple | the return traffic, however, has to return the standard way | 22:21 |
gunix | so what if you have a floating IP that is connected to a VM ? | 22:21 |
DHE | openvswitch lets you manually program in routing rules that are more complicated than "if dst $MAC or $IP, then output port X" | 22:21 |
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DHE | and wouldn't that only work in a non-NAT (stateless) router? | 22:22 |
SamYaple | gunix: it lets the VM go from compute node <--> internet | 22:22 |
gunix | SamYaple: so that means that the traffic still won't work if the controller is down | 22:23 |
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SamYaple | it wont work inbound, correct | 22:23 |
SamYaple | but you cando l3ha+dvr now | 22:23 |
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gunix | TCP usually means outbound + inbound. | 22:23 |
gunix | it needs to work both ways | 22:23 |
SamYaple | udp doesnt though | 22:23 |
SamYaple | so specificuse case | 22:23 |
SamYaple | like i said, its no magic pill.but it has some advantagoues | 22:23 |
gunix | ... | 22:23 |
gunix | how does l3ha+dvr provide any better functionality than l3ha+linux bridge ? :D | 22:24 |
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SamYaple | well the +dvr there gives you... dvr. which has the benefits i posted above | 22:24 |
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SamYaple | youre approaching it as an active/active solution which it is not. it has a different purpose | 22:25 |
gunix | it gives you udp. i find that irelevant :D | 22:25 |
SamYaple | what? | 22:25 |
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gunix | the specific use case of udp is not something that i find usefull and a good reason to set up DVR | 22:25 |
SamYaple | no. the specific use case is east-west traffic scaling | 22:25 |
gunix | if that is the only advantage (outbound traffic), i find it irelevant | 22:26 |
SamYaple | you are asking questions about availability, it doesnt give you that | 22:26 |
gunix | i guess it scales better since outbound traffic won't stress the router that much | 22:26 |
SamYaple | at all. wont stress it at all for outbound traffic | 22:26 |
SamYaple | inbound is still bounded though, yes | 22:27 |
gunix | oh wait. if outbound traffic always avoid router, than east-west will be far better, since it never reaches the router | 22:27 |
SamYaple | right. thats what dvr brings | 22:27 |
SamYaple | it adds alot of complication though | 22:27 |
gunix | but north south is still not that good. | 22:27 |
SamYaple | i prefer OVS to LB. we are slowly getting to a 100% native ovs solution | 22:28 |
gunix | i mean north-south is still active/standby for inbound thourgh l3ha | 22:28 |
SamYaple | the last part we are missingis the l3 router using ovs rules rather than iptables | 22:28 |
SamYaple | security group rules have a native fw in ovs component now | 22:28 |
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gunix | what do you mean with 100% native? | 22:29 |
gunix | i don't get that | 22:29 |
gunix | oh, wait. it still uses iptables instead of using ONLY ovs ? | 22:29 |
SamYaple | right | 22:29 |
DHE | that's the old way. there is a pure OVS firewall/security groups implementation now | 22:29 |
SamYaple | for the l3 router part ovs passes to a veth where iptables does the work and linux does the routing | 22:29 |
SamYaple | DHE: not for the l3 router | 22:30 |
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gunix | this really gets me to better understand the technology. i will do some research now on north-south and ha using dvr | 22:33 |
SamYaple | for what its worth, if you dont have ovs knowledge, and you do have iptables/linuxbridge knowledge, i wouldnt switch | 22:33 |
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gunix | SamYaple: the project requirement is OVS | 22:36 |
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SamYaple | fair enough! | 22:37 |
SamYaple | well dont let your first ovsexperince be with neutron DVR | 22:38 |
SamYaple | do a normaldeploy first | 22:38 |
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gunix | SamYaple: yea, i plan to do that. i don't want to feel raped by technology | 22:39 |
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