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| maharg101 | Having created a project with `openstack project create foo` I now find there is no default security group present in it. Where did I go wrong ? | 13:18 |
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| frickler | maharg101: it might happen that the security group is created only when neutron gets to do something with the project, like create a network for it | 13:27 |
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| maharg101 | ah ok thanks frickler | 13:29 |
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| maharg101 | The security group is created if I create a project in Horizon | 13:36 |
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| pagios | what is the difference between openstack and k8s? | 13:48 |
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| IcePic | openstack manages compute resources allowing people to start VMs via openstack calls/web. k8s is a manager for VM that can talk to openstack or other such program suites. | 13:49 |
| IcePic | in short. openstack is a server end, and k8s is a client to such a server end. | 13:50 |
| IcePic | just like apache is a webserver and firefox is a web client. You may exchange the server with nginx, MS IIS or something, and you may exchange the client to Chrome,Safari or MS-IE. | 13:52 |
| yetiszaf | Does anyone now their way around os-collect-config and os-apply-config? I'm trying to figure out how to tell them to use 'request' as well as 'ec2' and if I put it into the config it just overwrites and takes out 'request' again. | 13:52 |
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| pagios | IcePic, so mainly kubernetes is the frontend of openstack engine? | 14:45 |
| IcePic | no | 14:46 |
| pagios | it can be you mean | 14:46 |
| IcePic | k8s is something you run to spin up containers somewhere. | 14:46 |
| pagios | containers somewhere can be hosted on openstack | 14:46 |
| IcePic | openstack is something one runs to HOST containers and VMs | 14:46 |
| pagios | yea | 14:46 |
| pagios | kubernetes uses what | 14:46 |
| pagios | fir hosting containers | 14:46 |
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| IcePic | me -> k8s -> openstack -> virtualization hw running containers I ordered | 14:48 |
| IcePic | mostly, between k8s -> openstack, the internet exists. Not always but mostly. | 14:48 |
| pagios | can you deploy openstack on baremetal? | 14:48 |
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| IcePic | yes, it is just software. it controls virtualization software like ESX, KVM and so on. | 14:49 |
| pagios | so why dont you go me -> openstack directly using apis | 14:49 |
| pagios | why k8s | 14:49 |
| IcePic | you can, but some people want meta-control | 14:49 |
| IcePic | "if not 19 containers are up now, spin up the missing ones for me" | 14:50 |
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| IcePic | spin up 19 here, 19 on AWS, 19 on GCE but don't force me to learn the differences of how to talk to the apis | 14:50 |
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| pagios | so i talk 1 language to k8s and k8s talk to the openstack of aws , openstack of google etc with different languages right? | 14:51 |
| IcePic | I don't think AWS or Google use openstack per se, but something similar | 14:51 |
| IcePic | many smaller cloud companies use openstack, both internally and available externally though. | 14:52 |
| pagios | so i can think of openstack as a manager that controls the vms and k8s as an orchestrator right | 14:53 |
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| IcePic | right. Openstack will do network virtualization, billing, and identification services and so on, but sure | 14:53 |
| IcePic | will do / can optionally do | 14:53 |
| pagios | and openstack can manager containers too not only vms | 14:54 |
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| IcePic | It can even manage allocation of phyical boxes "Ironic" if you teach it how to talk to Drac/ILO/LOM/IPMI to power on and off boxes. | 14:54 |
| pagios | nice | 14:55 |
| pagios | IcePic, does it implement a load balancer too? | 14:55 |
| pagios | or that is part of k8s | 14:55 |
| IcePic | yes | 14:55 |
| pagios | aka service | 14:55 |
| pagios | so i can have a cluster of nodes in site1 asia and nodes in site2 and a lb that routes traffic to this or that right | 14:55 |
| IcePic | nothing will prevent people from spinning up an instance that does LB itself, but it also has a load-balance thing you may employ | 14:55 |
| pagios | idea is to do it centralized as part of a service not isntance | 14:56 |
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| IcePic | I'm sure there are thousands of ideas on how to do it, where to do it, who to put the responsibilities on and so forth. No single correct answer for every case there | 14:57 |
| IcePic | just as all other kind of network design | 14:57 |
| IcePic | you have a (wide) set of possibilities and pick the strategy that works for your expected usecases | 14:58 |
| pagios | k8s uses what as backend by default? | 14:58 |
| pagios | instead of openstack | 14:58 |
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| IcePic | I dont think it has something "instead of openstack". Its built to be able to talk to lots of service providing endpoints, openstack is one of them | 14:59 |
| IcePic | for the complete list, I guess its just a google away. | 14:59 |
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| pagios | yea but if i deploy k8s baremetal i would like to know what kind of backend it uses cant find that | 15:00 |
| IcePic | if it has a specific default one, I'd assume it would be easy to find. | 15:01 |
| IcePic | or rephrased, "its probably meant to talk to some service remotely over the network so it doesnt come with that service builtin" | 15:02 |
| IcePic | just like chrome doesn't come with a webserver, even though its meant to talk to webservers in all but 0.001% of the cases | 15:03 |
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| cezary_zukowski | What LB is used in OpenStack by default? Is there only a single LB or multiple LB options delivered with the official OpenStack distribution? | 17:23 |
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| larsks | cezary_zukowski: I think it uses haproxy, and I'm not sure there are options right now...but I haven't looked at the lb support in a while, so my information may be dated. | 19:58 |
| cezary_zukowski | larsks: Sure, many thanks for the summary. | 20:02 |
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