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DHE | Is there an openstack service (or neutron extension, or whatever) that can take an external layer 2 vlan (802.1q) and bridge it to an openstack vxlan-tunneled network? | 13:41 |
DHE | I guess that means I'm looking for a software vtep, but something that openstack can manage/control happily | 13:41 |
DHE | (right now I'm on openvswitch, a decision I'm regretting because it doesn't support multicast groups for VXLAN-tunnel broadcast packets) | 13:42 |
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willksm | DHE - "To get around the lack of multicast support, it is possible to pre-provision MAC to IP address mappings either manually or from a controller." | 13:45 |
DHE | yes but that's openvswitch talking, and the controller is neutron itself | 13:46 |
factor | DHE: The newest Openvswitch does handle that though, I think.Since its using the Geneve. | 13:47 |
DHE | but that's not vxlan... right? | 13:49 |
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DHE | I am kinda trying to shoehorn something into my existing setup, not ideal either way... | 13:49 |
factor | DHE:Geneve is designed to encapsulate anything. | 13:50 |
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factor | DHE: WIll have to look up how that actually works. | 13:51 |
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factor | DHE, Was reading over the newest OpenVswitch information v2.12 does have vtep-ctl for handling multicast. | 14:40 |
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DHE | oh? I go check | 14:42 |
DHE | 2.12 isn't listed on their download page | 14:43 |
factor | http://docs.openvswitch.org/en/latest/howto/vtep/ | 14:43 |
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factor | Simulating an NVC | 14:43 |
DHE | well openstack (neutron) already operates as an openflow controller and configures the openvswitch bridges as it needs to. I feel like this would risk conflicting | 14:45 |
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DHE | that's my main aversion to this, and why I'm looking for an openstack-sanctioned solution | 14:46 |
factor | DHE, it probably would , but getting Openstack to use it. | 14:47 |
factor | Right | 14:47 |
factor | But it is possible , not out of the question. | 14:47 |
DHE | sure, but "doing it right" probably means discarding the openvswitch config and trying the kernel vxlan driver + linux bridging. and I'm not a fan of linux bridging | 14:47 |
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factor | Nor I | 14:48 |
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jrosser | DHE: i don't know what you're trying to achieve but i bought an external L2 network in using hardware VTEP on my switches, de-encapsulating at the TOR and dropping down on a .1q trunk to the computes and neturon nodes | 14:49 |
jrosser | then set it up as a regular vlan provider net in neutron and a bunch of this goes away | 14:50 |
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DHE | jrosser: I want the opposite. My openstack environment is physically small (1 rack, some expansion planned). I have layer 2 networks external to this coming in, but want layer 3 only within the openstack cluster | 14:53 |
jrosser | thats exactly what i have really | 14:53 |
jrosser | i L3 fabric and a need to bring an external L2 network in | 14:53 |
jrosser | but i make it look like a vlan to neutron, and do all the vxlan myself in the switches | 14:54 |
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jrosser | for all the reasons you describe up there ^^^ | 14:54 |
DHE | ugh, this is a nightmare... | 14:55 |
jrosser | and if you need to know/control the VNI you don't really have a choice other than a provider network | 14:55 |
jrosser | yes, exactly, which is why i made neutron do as little of this as possible | 14:55 |
jrosser | it thinks its just dealing with a regular vlan | 14:55 |
DHE | right now I have 2 types of network: provider networks as plain old 802.1q, and tenant networks as vxlan, both openvswitch managed. I want to simplify and improve redundancy (dual NIC servers, etc). | 14:56 |
DHE | I am starting to think I don't know what I really want in the end | 14:56 |
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jrosser | mine is similar | 14:58 |
jrosser | l2 networks for floating IP and so on are L2 vlan presented to neutron nodes as VPC/MLAG whatever you want to call it | 14:59 |
jrosser | tenant nets are vxlan | 14:59 |
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jrosser | and i magic up these "special" l2 external networks whuch need to go direct to computes as vlan provider networks, transported in hardware VTEP VXLAN over leaf/spine l3 fabric | 15:01 |
jrosser | and yes, it is ugly, but i don't know of a better way | 15:01 |
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DHE | well I don't have vtep switches (yet) and all my 802.1q provider networks just have port security disabled | 15:11 |
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jrosser | there are probably other ways to dela with it tbh | 15:21 |
jrosser | but i needed wire speed to the compute nodes which rules out software vtep | 15:21 |
jrosser | and also i wanted to avoid any special neutron<>switch vendor integration which might be poorly supported | 15:22 |
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jrosser | so i guess i'm saying match your approach to your use case, really | 15:23 |
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