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| jcath | friends, I want to attach a volume to instance with ide bus as a cdrom, according to some article, I set the prop hw_cdrom_bus=ide hw_disk_bus=ide to the image, then create volume from that image, then attch volume to instance, but it did not work, any idea? thanks | 07:59 |
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| saint_ | ssssooooooooo....... I was a OpenNebula user .... and guess what... they release 5.12 a week ago, announcing that now you have to upgrade to get the upgrade packages for each new version. subscribtion is $2,500/year ... not a cool move .. | 12:27 |
| saint_ | i now have to look for another solution... cloudstack? openstack? | 12:27 |
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| saint_ | any reasons you guys chose openstack over cloudstack? Since you've been there already (comparing releases), i'd assume you could give me some of your points? | 12:33 |
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| admin0 | saint_, many reasons to select openstack | 13:36 |
| admin0 | also same reasons to select cloudstack | 13:36 |
| admin0 | cloudstack if you want it all out of the box .. openstack if you want it modular | 13:37 |
| admin0 | openstack is more widely used, supported and just works fine | 13:37 |
| admin0 | business wise, openstack is python .. so easy to find/hire/retain python developers vs java developers for cloudstack | 13:37 |
| admin0 | also if you want to test changes, change a file in python vs change code/recompile/redeploy in java | 13:38 |
| saint_ | admin0 frankly, i'm looking for a solution which allows me to run VM, not a pain in the butt to setup and maintain , robust , with an API so I can develop on the top of it ... of course having a solution for easy backup and restore, in case of crash | 13:40 |
| admin0 | well, solusvm is there :) | 13:40 |
| admin0 | proxmox | 13:40 |
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| devvrim | Hello | 13:41 |
| admin0 | opentack is not a pain in the butt to maintain or setup ( you can use all in 1 box for example) .. but it needs some time before you get it | 13:41 |
| devvrim | i need help for masakari, is here right channel? | 13:41 |
| saint_ | admin0 ha . what about open stack vs proxmox ? | 13:42 |
| admin0 | if you just want to run simple vm, virt-install :) | 13:42 |
| admin0 | reasons to go proxmox or openstack is different | 13:42 |
| admin0 | devvrim, if its help from developers, try #openstack-masakari | 13:42 |
| saint_ | admin0 nah, it s more complicated than that. I have thousands of VM in different private networks. lots of it is automated through API | 13:43 |
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| admin0 | lay down all the complications and wish-list | 13:44 |
| admin0 | that will give data to suggest | 13:44 |
| devvrim | Thanks, i need information masakari how to run.. do we need notifications or not. Maybe is not developer issue | 13:44 |
| admin0 | i have deployed and used all 3 - openstack, cloudstack and proxmox | 13:44 |
| saint_ | admin0 : just an equivalent to openNebula: install VMs, manage them through API, would love to be able to backup the VM and configuration in case I need to restore. That's basically it. Great UI would be a plus , lol .. | 13:45 |
| admin0 | openstack has those covered saint_ | 13:45 |
| saint_ | admin0 ok, i will definitely look into it. the WWW search say cloudstack -because of apache?- is better then openStack , but making more researches, I see a bigger community around OpenStack than cloudStack. | 13:46 |
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| saint_ | so now I just depend on user feedback. I dont know any admin who use either or. They cloudstack chan is pretty dead on freenode ... looks alive in here .. | 13:46 |
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| admin0 | look into this this way .. you have 10,000 vms now .. say tomorrow a big bank or a big corp want to be your client .. but under iso stuff , he needs to use a vendor supported platform .. with openstack , you can just go to any vendor and they support it | 13:47 |
| admin0 | which is not the case for other projects | 13:47 |
| saint_ | admin0 good point. | 13:48 |
| saint_ | admin0 how long have you been using it for ? | 13:48 |
| admin0 | i have been building openstack for the last 7 years .. multiple companies .. so i can talk about use cases for all cloud for days :D | 13:48 |
| admin0 | 7 years | 13:49 |
| saint_ | and have you tried cloudstack ever? | 13:49 |
| admin0 | yes | 13:49 |
| saint_ | ok, so you're a good user case :) | 13:49 |
| saint_ | you tried both. | 13:49 |
| saint_ | what was the reason for you to lend toward this one rather than the other? just the community, or features | 13:50 |
| admin0 | i worked at leasweb for 2 years as cloud innovation engineer .. basically i setup/support/operate cloudstack .. its a big public cloud .. then i moved to other companies and jumped to openstack | 13:50 |
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| admin0 | see, its open source project and right now you can get it installed or get someone to install it for you .. it needs to be updated, upgraded .. there are security stuff that will come out .. you need to think .. which project has most users, where do I get more help from, this is urgent .. i want help to fix it now even if i have to pay .. most documentation etc .. you have to keep all those in mind | 13:51 |
| admin0 | and if you compare with this mindset, openstack always wins | 13:52 |
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| admin0 | you can go to any company -- redhat, ubuntu, suse, cisco, dell, intel, supermicro etc and all they talk about is openstack as their support cloud .. | 13:53 |
| admin0 | also it costs money for companies to support and develop for 2 clouds -- why hire few extra developers for an alternate cloud project .. which is why openstack is kind of hobson's choice when you talk about choices in the cloud | 13:54 |
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| admin0 | from a business prospective, your choice to go with openstack will not even be about features :) | 13:55 |
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| saint_ | thanks a ton for sharing your point of view. | 13:56 |
| saint_ | i'll check it out today | 13:56 |
| admin0 | let me know if you need help with the planning etc | 13:56 |
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| saint_ | admin0 i will definitely take your offer on that. so we chose opennebula in the past, i developper a user interface over it, and last week they announced this crap that is going to make me have to make changes. i need to finish my application over it first. should be done by the end of next month. once it is up and running, then i will look at open Stack and see how i can port my app to open stack by just changing the API part of the | 14:06 |
| saint_ | code.. | 14:06 |
| saint_ | but i will install it on my mac through VM to check it out this week definitely | 14:06 |
| saint_ | admin0 thanks a ton mate.. | 14:06 |
| admin0 | https://www.openstackfaq.com/openstack-pike-setup-all-in-one/ -- replace pike with train and you can test it in virtualbox | 14:07 |
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