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mmichelson | I'm trying to watch the membership here and at libera to figure out where the meeting today should be held. | 17:14 |
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mmichelson | So far, it seems like this is the better option | 17:14 |
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imaximets | mmichelson, at least, openstack bot is here. | 17:15 |
mmichelson | imaximets, true | 17:15 |
mmichelson | In fact | 17:15 |
mmichelson | #startmeeting ovn_community_development_discussion | 17:15 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu May 20 17:15:31 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mmichelson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:15 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:15 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ovn_community_development_discussion' | 17:15 |
mmichelson | Hi everyone! | 17:15 |
imaximets | Hi. | 17:15 |
ihrachys | o/ | 17:16 |
mmichelson | Tomorrow is supposed to be our date to branch 21.06. However, looking at patchwork, there's still a good number of patches up that were put up before the soft freeze and that need review. | 17:16 |
numans | Hello | 17:16 |
mmichelson | I'm thinking that delaying branching by a week might be a good idea. Does anyone object? | 17:16 |
numans | I'm fine with that. | 17:16 |
numans | I'm hoping I'll contribute to the reviews next week. | 17:17 |
mmichelson | Yep, I'm planning to spend basically the rest of today doing reviews, and probably some amount of time tomorrow, too. | 17:17 |
mmichelson | Also, those of you that have privileges on patchwork, please be sure to mark patches as accepted, rejected, etc. as the state changes. That way we can have a more accurate view of things. | 17:18 |
mmichelson | As for what I've been working on, I've more-or-less rewritten my ARP FIP fix from scratch. The new approach seeks to program logical flows directly in ovn-northd instead of creating MAC Bindings in ovn-controller. | 17:19 |
mmichelson | I'm planning to create an option that will allow for routing flows to be created automatically for NAT and LB addresses on routers one hop away. | 17:19 |
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blp | Hi! | 17:20 |
mmichelson | This can prevent having to create static routes in routers for typical E-W traffic | 17:20 |
blp | Sorry I'm late. | 17:20 |
mmichelson | blp, hi! | 17:20 |
mmichelson | Current status is that I have the code written in ovn-northd.c but need to tackle ddlog still. | 17:20 |
mmichelson | ETA is some time next week, I think. | 17:20 |
mmichelson | And that's all from me for the moment. | 17:20 |
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mmichelson | Actually before I give up the floor, blp and zhouhan have joined since I started, so I'll repeat what I led with | 17:21 |
mmichelson | Tomorrow is supposed to be our date to branch 21.06. However, looking at patchwork, there's still a good number of patches up that were put up before the soft freeze and that need review. | 17:21 |
mmichelson | zhouhan, blp, do you have strong opinions about delaying branching for a week? | 17:21 |
zhouhan | I am ok with it | 17:21 |
blp | I'm OK with it. I hope it will give some time for folks to look at my series. | 17:22 |
mmichelson | blp, yep, I'm planning to look at it and _lore_'s CoPP series today | 17:22 |
_lore_ | mmichelson: thx | 17:22 |
mmichelson | blp, and once that series is merged, I think we'll do a round of scale testing with DDLog again. Hopefully we'll be in a better position than before. | 17:22 |
mmichelson | And now I'm really done :) | 17:23 |
blp | mmichelson: Sounds good! | 17:23 |
blp | I haven't rebased my series in a while. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a conflict (probably in NEWS, at least). | 17:23 |
mmichelson | Probably. But it should still be reviewable | 17:23 |
numans | blp, thanks to ovsrobot, it can be easily rebased - https://github.com/ovsrobot/ovn/tree/series_242583 | 17:24 |
blp | numans: Great! | 17:24 |
blp | OK, it seems quiet, so I'll bring up the choice of IRC server. | 17:27 |
blp | freenode is undergoing some turmoil. The staff have almost all quit. | 17:28 |
blp | The successor is libera.chat. I've started an #openvswitch channel there. | 17:28 |
blp | I hope that everyone here can create a nick on libera.chat | 17:28 |
numans | +1 to move over there. | 17:28 |
blp | and that starting next week we can have the meeting there instead. | 17:28 |
numans | I'd support that. | 17:29 |
mmichelson | Yep, that's fine. I set myself up over there this morning | 17:29 |
blp | I'm going to try to be in both places for a few weeks to make sure that we get everyone. | 17:29 |
blp | I don't know whether the meeting bot is available there yet. | 17:30 |
imaximets | sounds good to me. another option is oftc, but I don't know much about it and therefore have no preferences. | 17:30 |
mmichelson | Sounds good. Also update the topic to point to the new location | 17:30 |
mmichelson | blp, I think we can ask some openstack people about entering the bot there. Hopefully it's not a pain to do. | 17:30 |
blp | I've tried "/invite openstack" but no response currently. I *think* that's how we got the bot in here. | 17:30 |
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numans | we may need to reach out to dalvarez for some help | 17:31 |
zhouhan | mmichelson: seems the bot didn't work for last meeting on 5/13? | 17:32 |
blp | It's possible that the bot just hasn't been moved yet. | 17:32 |
zhouhan | I didn't see meeting record here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ovn_community_development_meeting/2021/ | 17:32 |
ihrachys | I can dig on how to get it on libra and what's the status of probably openstack migration | 17:32 |
blp | The log is here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ovn_community_development_discussion/2021/ovn_community_development_discussion.2021-05-13-17.15.log.html | 17:32 |
mmichelson | zhouhan, oh, that's because I changed it back to the name in the topic | 17:33 |
blp | (from 5/13) | 17:33 |
mmichelson | s/meeting/discussion/ | 17:33 |
zhouhan | ok :) | 17:33 |
mmichelson | It's quiet again. Anyone who wants to share, please go ahead. | 17:35 |
numans | I can go real quick | 17:35 |
numans | Mark Gray and I've been looking into addressing issues in offloading datapath flows when the pkt hits conntrack of router pipeline. | 17:35 |
numans | There is some asymmetry there. I'm hoping to submit the patch to fix these issues tomorrow. | 17:35 |
numans | I couldn't do much reviews this week and hoping to catch up next week. That's it from me. | 17:36 |
_lore_ | can I go next? | 17:36 |
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mmichelson | _lore_, go for it | 17:37 |
_lore_ | this week I worked to add support for check_packet_larger for ingress traffic | 17:37 |
_lore_ | for traffic entering the cluster through a gw router | 17:37 |
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_lore_ | ddlog part is missing | 17:38 |
_lore_ | moreover I had some pending patch for reivews | 17:38 |
blp | _lore_: Do you need help on the ddlog part? Or just haven't had time for it? | 17:39 |
_lore_ | - CoPP series http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/ovn/list/?series=241400 | 17:39 |
_lore_ | - localport - localnetport issue: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/ovn/list/?series=241400 | 17:40 |
_lore_ | sorry wrong link: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/ovn/patch/e2df86ba8357477e7c54cf4d99f4659edd3633ce.1621265763.git.lorenzo.bianconi@redhat.com/ | 17:40 |
_lore_ | this is the link for ingress check_packet_larger series: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/ovn/list/?series=244729 | 17:41 |
zhouhan | _lore_: the localport fix has been merged 2-3 days ago | 17:41 |
_lore_ | zhouhan: it is a different patch | 17:41 |
_lore_ | it is for dropping traffic from localport to a localnet one | 17:41 |
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zhouhan | _lore_: at least the link you provided is merged :) | 17:42 |
_lore_ | zhouhan: sorry, I put the wrong link | 17:42 |
_lore_ | one sec | 17:42 |
_lore_ | http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/ovn/patch/8008fa9867d210cf18ad31f912535f2c14e85c43.1620151078.git.lorenzo.bianconi@redhat.com/ | 17:43 |
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_lore_ | sorry for the noise | 17:43 |
_lore_ | blp: I have not time to look at it yet, thanks for the help..I will get back to you :) | 17:43 |
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_lore_ | zhouhan: maybe you missed the link for the patch I was referring to | 17:44 |
_lore_ | http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/ovn/patch/8008fa9867d210cf18ad31f912535f2c14e85c43.1620151078.git.lorenzo.bianconi@redhat.com/ | 17:44 |
zhouhan | yes, sorry I was disconnect | 17:44 |
_lore_ | that's all from me, sorry for the confusion :( | 17:44 |
zhouhan | now I see it, thanks! | 17:44 |
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ihrachys | I can do next? | 17:45 |
mmichelson | sure hting ihrachys | 17:45 |
ihrachys | spent time fixing some embarrasing bugs with the new allow-stateless, here's the result: https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/ovn/list/?series=244288 | 17:45 |
ihrachys | hoping we can squeeze them into 21.06 | 17:45 |
zhouhan | ihrachys: thanks. I am reviewing it | 17:46 |
ihrachys | it's mostly around proper handling priority/direction of other acls | 17:46 |
ihrachys | zhouhan: thanks! | 17:46 |
ihrachys | also, thanks blp for fixing that ddlog relation bug, it was over the top of my abilities :) | 17:46 |
ihrachys | that's it for me | 17:47 |
mmichelson | Yeah I would never have figured that one out | 17:47 |
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zhouhan | I have a quick one: mmichelson: please take a look at v2 of the ssl patch series: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/ovn/list/?series=244813 | 17:48 |
mmichelson | zhouhan, can and will do | 17:49 |
blp | ihrachys: That was a wild bug. | 17:49 |
mmichelson | call me Review Man | 17:49 |
mmichelson | Because that's all I'm going to do for a bit. | 17:49 |
zhouhan | thanks mmichelson! | 17:49 |
zhouhan | blp: just curious do you expect more such kind of issues that require debugging in ddlog itself? | 17:51 |
mmichelson | zhouhan, I think that's an impossible question to answer :) | 17:52 |
blp | zhouhan: I don't, but... even GCC has bugs. | 17:52 |
zhouhan | Or, maybe better to ask: can we easily tell if it is bug in the northd-ddlog code or in ddlog itself? | 17:53 |
zhouhan | I guess the answer is that if we are familiar enough with ddlog then it is easier to tell :D | 17:54 |
blp | Easily? It's a matter of debugging until there's a contradiction. That's what I ended up with. | 17:55 |
blp | I don't normally suspect my tools either. | 17:55 |
zhouhan | That's fair :) | 17:56 |
ihrachys | in this case it was probably slightly easier since we knew the two commits that interacted badly; in the future we may not have that privilege of scoping the issue to particular relations / definitions. correct? | 17:56 |
blp | Some kinds of bugs will probably never end up blamed on ddlog itself. Since it's in Rust, I wouldn't expect to ever see a memory error, or if there is one it's probalby due to the C code. | 17:56 |
blp | ihrachys: That's correct, but you can usually reduce it to one or two commits, which does tend to focus the search. | 17:57 |
ihrachys | that's if it doesn't happen in the wild on a customer machine :) | 17:58 |
ihrachys | "my northdb is empty, please help; what did you do? I dunno" | 17:59 |
imaximets | if you have a prefect tool, you, probably, didn't test it enough. :) | 18:00 |
imaximets | *perfect | 18:01 |
mmichelson | is there anyone left that hasn't gone yet? | 18:01 |
imaximets | I'm here, but I don't really have much to say. | 18:01 |
mmichelson | imaximets, :) | 18:02 |
mmichelson | OK, I guess that's everyone then. Thanks! | 18:03 |
mmichelson | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 20 18:03:49 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:03 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ovn_community_development_discussion/2021/ovn_community_development_discussion.2021-05-20-17.15.html | 18:03 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ovn_community_development_discussion/2021/ovn_community_development_discussion.2021-05-20-17.15.txt | 18:03 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ovn_community_development_discussion/2021/ovn_community_development_discussion.2021-05-20-17.15.log.html | 18:03 |
ihrachys | blp: except adding Inspect()s in the code, are there some online / patch-less ways to inspect what's going on in northd-ddlog? | 18:04 |
ihrachys | like maybe flipping some kind of debug/verbose switch to get more logs for internal calculations | 18:05 |
blp | ihrachys: I use the replay feature a lot. It works well for that. | 18:05 |
ihrachys | blp: thanks, that's helpful! afaiu that requires process restart. anything to avoid that? thinking about scenario where you have to jump into a live cluster and check what's going on there without intrusive actions. | 18:08 |
blp | Process restart to start the replay logging? | 18:09 |
ihrachys | yes. it's enabled with a cli option, right? | 18:10 |
blp | Yes, that's right. | 18:10 |
blp | Hmm. | 18:10 |
blp | Maybe we could make it possible to enable it without restarting. I think that would require doing a full recomputation at the time that we enable it. Would that be valuable? | 18:11 |
ihrachys | maybe slightly yes, at least no need to change scripts managing the service to enable the option. | 18:13 |
ihrachys | will northd still serve new updates while recalculation happening? | 18:13 |
blp | I think there would be a delay. | 18:14 |
blp | Let's take it from a different angle. What would be your ideal way to inspect? | 18:14 |
zhouhan | If we think about that the C northd is always doing recomputing, that one-time delay is not a big deal, right? | 18:16 |
blp | zhouhan: That's my theory too. | 18:16 |
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ihrachys | ideally I would be able to deduce which part of computation triggered removal of my objects from db. though we already have transactions logged there so that's good. if that's not possible to have logged proactively, then maybe triggering (duplicate?) recalculation on demand with something resembling "Inspect() after every line" and giving me the output, while the main thread is still processing | 18:17 |
ihrachys | updates. | 18:17 |
ihrachys | the process could recalculate in background and dump into a file and forget the results? not affecting the main thread. | 18:18 |
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blp | ihrachys: If you just want "recalculate snapshot into file" then we could make an ovn-northd-ddlog command-line option to do that. When you run it, it grabs everything from the databases, runs it through ddlog once, and dumps the replay to a file. | 18:19 |
blp | It wouldn't need the running daemons to do anything, then. | 18:20 |
ihrachys | sounds fair | 18:20 |
ihrachys | as long as it doesn't touch db | 18:20 |
blp | We could add a --dry-run option to ovn-northd-ddlog that just never sends updates to the databases. | 18:22 |
blp | Shouldn't be hard, I think. | 18:22 |
ihrachys | ++ sounds nice | 18:22 |
ihrachys | I haven't yet looked into replay, just skimmed through a doc. does it contain weights and all that you used to nail that bug down? | 18:22 |
blp | Yes. | 18:23 |
ihrachys | then it seems like a good idea to me | 18:25 |
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blp | ihrachys: I think it's trivial. The "paused" state for ovn-northd-ddlog is the same as a --dry-run. We can implement --dry-run as starting out paused. | 18:35 |
ihrachys | blp: do you want me to take a look into it? I can't guarantee next weeks, but next months yes. | 18:38 |
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blp | ihrachys: Into a --dry-run? I'm hacking that up now, I think it's easy. | 18:44 |
ihrachys | ok, thanks, just wanted to make sure I don't put more stuff on your plate without your consent :) | 18:45 |
blp | ihrachys: No worries (in this case) | 18:46 |
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