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nortman | pumaranikar: I seem to remember you were working on a live-migrate bug related to host affinity. Do you remember which bug that was and did it ever get fixed? | 11:52 |
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mmotiani | Good morning! | 14:13 |
hockeynut | good mornin! | 14:17 |
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ankur-gupta-f1 | gm | 14:32 |
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anush | good morning OSICers | 16:07 |
spotz | morning anush | 16:07 |
dstanek | good morning and good afternoon | 16:08 |
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kencjohnston | good morning all | 16:09 |
diltram | morning anush | 16:09 |
diltram | morning | 16:09 |
spotz | Morning kencjohnston - FYI we dripped the nucs off at castle yesterday morning, inc0 knows where they are | 16:10 |
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kencjohnston | spotz cool, you mean the ones that we didn't give away? | 16:10 |
spotz | kencjohnston: yeah | 16:10 |
diltram | kencjohnston: what is the OSIC feeling about FWaaS/VPNaaS? | 16:10 |
diltram | kencjohnston: did you heard about removing that part of code from neutron? | 16:11 |
kencjohnston | diltram not on our roadmap at the moment | 16:11 |
mrhillsman | diltram if regarding that operators thread | 16:11 |
diltram | mrhillsman: exactly about that I'm talking | 16:11 |
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mrhillsman | no case has been made to keep it really | 16:11 |
mrhillsman | additionally what kencjohnston said | 16:11 |
diltram | kencjohnston: but there is problem with that because in next 6 months they're gonna remove everyting so it will be impossible to add that into roadmap | 16:12 |
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jroll | kencjohnston: did I just hear free nucs? | 16:12 |
mrhillsman | seems like the consensus is to let it die out | 16:12 |
navidp | dolphm, lanc | 16:12 |
kencjohnston | diltram Understood, but we have to prioritize work that drives enterprise adoption, and right now that isn't VPN or FW. | 16:12 |
diltram | mrhillsman: but people are talking about working on that outside of neutron git tree in private repos | 16:12 |
mrhillsman | yeah, what kencjohnston said | 16:13 |
navidp | dolphm, lbragstad , dstanek , if you have time to review this patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309491/, thanks | 16:13 |
dstanek | navidp: sure | 16:13 |
diltram | kencjohnston: I agree, but how companies are working on that? do they install some hw stuff to provide that functionality or they're not using VPN in private clouds? | 16:13 |
mrhillsman | hardware | 16:14 |
kencjohnston | For most Private Cloud deployments i imagine operators use hardware FW | 16:14 |
mrhillsman | for both FW and VPN | 16:14 |
kencjohnston | what mrhillsman said :) | 16:14 |
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mrhillsman | hehe | 16:14 |
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diltram | kencjohnston, mrhillsman: OK, sounds reasonable | 16:20 |
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ankur-gupta-f1 | kencjohnson: At the session Thursday they put your face and your story in the presentation of successful grads :D "Kenneth Johnston, Executive MBA 2015" | 16:25 |
inc0 | so, I was talking to few people | 16:26 |
inc0 | and apperantly they're running 1000nodes on HAProxy;) | 16:26 |
inc0 | so let's not really rule out this one, performance wise it's not horrible | 16:26 |
inc0 | not even half bad if you know what you're doing | 16:27 |
inc0 | these aren't viprions, but well, it's cheaper | 16:27 |
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kencjohnston | ankur-gupta-f1 - Ha, I had another buddy of mine who was there say the same thing... | 16:42 |
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kencjohnston | ankur-gupta-f1 apparently this is what success looks like. http://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/student_debt_cc_img_1.jpg | 16:44 |
kencjohnston | Although I have to say it was worth every penny. | 16:44 |
ankur-gupta-f1 | kencjohnston: starting a college fund for myself now. by the time i apply and join. I might have enough for a term :P | 16:46 |
pumaranikar | nortman, I was facing network issue. This is affinity related bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1497100. There is a buleprint in progress which has similar change. | 16:46 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1497100 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Affinity policy problems with migrate and live-migrate" [Low,Invalid] - Assigned to Pushkar Umaranikar (pushkar-umaranikar) | 16:46 |
pumaranikar | nortman, hence john suggested to do required changes after that gets merged | 16:47 |
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nortman | pumaranikar: Thanks. | 16:50 |
nortman | pumaranikar: That's directly related to the server groups proposal I was bugging everybody about at the summit. | 16:51 |
nortman | Basically server groups are broken and useless and we should either fix them and make them useful or drop them completely. | 16:51 |
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pumaranikar | nortman, yes. I guess it will get resolved with your proposal :). we may also need to track the blueprint which is in progress. | 16:56 |
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diltram | who is responsible for Cloud1 keystone configuration? | 17:22 |
diltram | there is mistake in neutron URL | 17:22 |
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kencjohnston | diltram can you describe the mistake and I'll send an email to the appropriate person? | 17:45 |
diltram | kencjohnston: in endpoints list neutron api url is specified as http not https | 17:46 |
kencjohnston | the person responsible is Mark Deverter, he's a Rackspace Private Cloud support engineer | 17:46 |
kencjohnston | cool, diltram I'll let Mark know. | 17:46 |
diltram | kencjohnston: the same thing is with glance if I remember | 17:47 |
diltram | kencjohnston: network and image endpoints has that problem | 17:47 |
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diltram | kencjohnston: because of that vagrant-openstack-provider is not working with that two services | 17:48 |
kencjohnston | diltram msg me your email address | 17:48 |
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kencjohnston | rosmaita reviewing your etherpad link - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-glance-properties-next-gen | 17:59 |
kencjohnston | Is there a sub-text that this metadata definition catalog can/shoudl be used outside of images and glance? | 18:00 |
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kencjohnston | Don't all other services have the same issue with non-interoperable metadata definitions? | 18:01 |
rosmaita | kencjohnston: yes, you are correct on both counts | 18:02 |
kencjohnston | I guess only those resources that are service provider supplied need to be interoperable | 18:02 |
kencjohnston | but still.. | 18:02 |
kencjohnston | so is the user story about an interoperable set of metadata definitions | 18:02 |
kencjohnston | almost like an addition to DefCore? | 18:02 |
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rosmaita | sort of ... there's a de facto set of interoperable metadata based on what nova will recognize, the metadefs catalog allows the metadata to be published in a more accessible way | 18:06 |
rosmaita | i'm not sure how well known the metadefs catalog feature is, though | 18:06 |
kencjohnston | OK, well I htink it would make a good user story. Do you want to add it? | 18:08 |
rosmaita | sure | 18:08 |
kencjohnston | Add me to the review. | 18:08 |
rosmaita | what do you think about the enforcement part, for images, anyway? | 18:08 |
kencjohnston | Well, I'm not sure if the use case means that enforcement is always on, or optional. | 18:09 |
kencjohnston | Providing flexible enforcement woudl seem prudent, I could see some operators defining or using definitions that aren't enforceable | 18:09 |
rosmaita | ok | 18:10 |
kencjohnston | like OS version number | 18:10 |
rosmaita | right now it's enforced by horizon if you use the metadefs plugin | 18:10 |
kencjohnston | on all metadefs? | 18:10 |
kencjohnston | or can an operator choose to have some definition be standard, but the available options are not? | 18:10 |
kencjohnston | On second thought, this is stuff we can flesh out in the user story. | 18:11 |
rosmaita | i think it's all the ones that are recognized | 18:11 |
rosmaita | makes sense | 18:11 |
kencjohnston | Let's have the dialogue there. | 18:11 |
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cloudnull | late to the party here but -- mrhillsman kencjohnston diltram -- RE: VPNaaS and FWaaS -- the OSA project has them in tree as options that you can deploy however I've only heard of one deployer even wanting either of them. Their removal from neutron wouldn't be a bad thing especially especially when you consider there's almost no documentation, its mostly un-maintained and the features you do get are seriously lacking. | 19:30 |
cloudnull | the user pjm6 from the #openstack-ansible channel may be able to shed some light of their usecase for wanting that feature if you're looking for a potential user story | 19:32 |
dasm | cloudnull: ++ | 19:32 |
cloudnull | but most who try it abandon it for <insert-anything-here> once they see what it can and can't do | 19:32 |
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cloudnull | inc0: HAP (haproxy) runs great with 100's even 1000's of nodes. the issue was never really performance. The main issue is ent features sets and sec auditing, all of which HAP will not provide likely ever. If we're hell bent on doing "free" load balancing with ent feature sets I'd recommend looking into VyOS (used to be vyatta) [http://vyos.net] however even then I think vendor driven hardware is going to be the best bet for the ent | 19:36 |
cloudnull | users of openstack. | 19:36 |
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inc0 | cloudnull, agree, just saying that there are uses foe haproxy | 19:39 |
inc0 | we discussed that, you want anything open for public, f5 would be better | 19:39 |
cloudnull | I think hap is great, just not for deployments you care about | 19:40 |
cloudnull | its a great test / internal tool | 19:40 |
inc0 | or private cloud | 19:41 |
cloudnull | nope. i care about private cloud | 19:43 |
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cloudnull | 's/private cloud/toy cloud/g' | 19:43 |
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diltram | cloudnull: so you're telling that there is no available software load balancer which will be stable and usable? | 19:50 |
cloudnull | diltram: define available ? | 19:52 |
mrhillsman | i say citrix netscaler vs F5 :D | 19:52 |
cloudnull | +1 | 19:53 |
cloudnull | :p | 19:53 |
diltram | cloudnull: something what you're downloading and using | 19:53 |
diltram | mrhillsman: but it's still close source if I'm right | 19:54 |
cloudnull | diltram: if the criteria for success is "can be downloaded" I think we're all in trouble. | 19:54 |
mrhillsman | ^ | 19:54 |
diltram | cloudnull: no no, you missunderstood me, I'm thinking about what suppose to do small companies which are not able to buy F5 h/w | 19:55 |
diltram | cloudnull: you're telling that you're not suppose to use HAProxy so what? | 19:55 |
diltram | is there anything available to use in small deploymentss | 19:56 |
cloudnull | diltram: ah. use VyOS, Incapsula, Vyatta, BalanceNG, NetScaler (not a citrix fan but it works), etc... | 19:57 |
cloudnull | pfSense too | 19:59 |
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inc0 | heard good things about pfsense | 19:59 |
cloudnull | all of which have great capabilities, and an ent feature set. | 19:59 |
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cloudnull | inc0: ++ pfsense is very nice. | 20:00 |
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cloudnull | no api but still very nice | 20:00 |
inc0 | I played with idea of making neutron talk to pfsense vm instead of iptables and shit | 20:00 |
inc0 | I think they plan to make api next major release | 20:02 |
inc0 | nto sure when that happends tho | 20:02 |
cloudnull | I'm +1 for that | 20:02 |
cloudnull | sadly they've been saying that for a few years now | 20:02 |
cloudnull | diltram: also note I'm not saying you cant use HAP, there are plenty of companies that use it. | 20:04 |
cloudnull | but it lacks some serious features ENT users want. | 20:05 |
diltram | cloudnull: so why anyone do nothing with enabling that in VPNaaS/FWaaS | 20:06 |
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diltram | using VyOS you can do both things | 20:06 |
cloudnull | we have VPNaaS and FWaaS up. its just about worthless. | 20:07 |
diltram | I can't understand how VPN can be worthless | 20:08 |
diltram | I have a problem currently that I need to install everything and configure everything on my own, because we don't have a VPNaaS enable in Cloud1 | 20:09 |
cloudnull | have you looked into the implementation ? | 20:09 |
diltram | cloudnull: not really | 20:09 |
diltram | it's so bad? | 20:09 |
cloudnull | its terrible. | 20:09 |
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cloudnull | also how would vpnaas help you in cloud1 ? | 20:09 |
cloudnull | vpnaas does not give you access to the devices. only your instances. | 20:10 |
cloudnull | creating an instance assigning a float and installing openvpn would be easier and more beneficial | 20:11 |
cloudnull | IPSEC via OpenSwan running from a namespace isn't likely what you want. | 20:11 |
diltram | cloudnull: I want to use vagrant to create my environments, but because of the lack of FIPs we need to use jumb boxes, and I'm creating VPN to my jump box | 20:12 |
inc0 | diltram, openvpn is super easy | 20:13 |
inc0 | and works everywhere | 20:13 |
cloudnull | ^ | 20:13 |
diltram | cloudnull: in that way vagrant uses normal openstack apis to create vms and thru vpn i have a connectivity to vms private network to configure them using private ips | 20:13 |
diltram | inc0: it's true, because of that i'm using it but still I need to manually do everything, using VPNaaS I will be able to click two buttons and everything would be ready to use | 20:14 |
inc0 | diltram, use ansible | 20:14 |
cloudnull | diltram: youve never used vpaas i see. :) | 20:14 |
inc0 | then it will be 1 button | 20:15 |
cloudnull | ^ | 20:15 |
inc0 | write a play to setup openvpn | 20:15 |
inc0 | and that's it | 20:15 |
diltram | inc0: may you give me a link to some document with description how to spin up a vm, login to it and configure everything in multi node setup? | 20:16 |
inc0 | depends what you mean by configure | 20:16 |
diltram | cloudnull: what I'm not seeing in that S/W? It's not working in that way? It's making something else? | 20:16 |
cloudnull | what ? | 20:17 |
inc0 | you can spin a vms, make inventory out of them and run ansible-playbook to do everything you can possibly think of | 20:17 |
diltram | inc0: install all required packages, change some config files | 20:17 |
inc0 | ansible is a config management tool, it was made for this | 20:17 |
cloudnull | diltram: google brought me to https://github.com/ftao/vpn-deploy-playbook | 20:18 |
diltram | cloudnull: you told that I didn't use vpnaas, I missunderstood how it is working? | 20:18 |
diltram | cloudnull, inc0: that playbook is not doing what I need | 20:18 |
cloudnull | https://github.com/cloudwatt/openstack-heat-templates/blob/master/OpenVPN/openvpn.heat | 20:19 |
inc0 | you need to write a play that will do what you need | 20:19 |
cloudnull | ^ heat deployment | 20:19 |
inc0 | will be easyier than using vpnaas | 20:19 |
diltram | I need to spin up 5 vm and deploy on top of them devstack | 20:19 |
inc0 | you don't really want to deal with openswan | 20:19 |
cloudnull | diltram: ^ | 20:19 |
diltram | but connectivity to that vms is thru jumb box | 20:19 |
cloudnull | i was making a joke earlier , nothing about neutron/vpnaas is a two button thing | 20:20 |
diltram | cloudnull: hahahaha, but I can't understand how it is possible that no one required that functionality, I'm not arguing that about that openswan | 20:20 |
diltram | I have a simple use case which I need to do | 20:21 |
inc0 | my issue with neutron is that it tries to do everything while it fails to do what it was meant to be doing | 20:21 |
diltram | to speed up my development | 20:21 |
inc0 | diltram, really, write an playbook to do it | 20:21 |
diltram | inc0: what neutron suppose to do in your opinion? | 20:21 |
inc0 | give network to vms | 20:21 |
diltram | inc0: is there any way to use ansible to spin up vms in openstack/docker/virtualbox? | 20:22 |
inc0 | diltram, kolla spins a lot of dockers with it;) | 20:22 |
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cloudnull | diltram: im telling you. look at openvpn, it works well. | 20:22 |
inc0 | but what you really want to do is to spin it with heat or whatever and then run ansible over it | 20:22 |
cloudnull | and once you have that setup you will have local access to you other vms within your tenant network. | 20:23 |
inc0 | you can write vagrant out of it | 20:23 |
diltram | cloudnull: I know, I configured that on my own on my vm and using it I will configure that | 20:23 |
diltram | inc0: you still don't understand, I would like to use software which will be portable - using vagrant I can spin up VM in different ways using one parameter | 20:24 |
cloudnull | and something like https://github.com/cloudwatt/openstack-heat-templates/blob/master/OpenVPN/openvpn.heat will setup your jump box for you | 20:24 |
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inc0 | how is ansible not-portable? | 20:24 |
diltram | inc0: it's true, I can use after that ansible but it doesn't matter if I'm gonna prepare ansible playbook or simple bash script | 20:24 |
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inc0 | ansible is glorified bash script | 20:24 |
inc0 | so is vagrant | 20:24 |
inc0 | and most of config management systems really | 20:25 |
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diltram | inc0, cloudnull: I'm not arguing about ansible/heat/openvpn usability - all of them is great software | 20:26 |
diltram | but still I would like to have a VPNaaS in OpenStack :P | 20:26 |
diltram | why I suppose to do that on my own if I'm able to click one button and get everything configured | 20:26 |
inc0 | diltram, problem with this approach is that it usually doesn't work | 20:27 |
inc0 | use tools that were created for purpose | 20:28 |
diltram | inc0: unfortunatelly I know that :( | 20:28 |
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inc0 | so if you have jump node aleady, just make it your very own openvpn gatewa | 20:28 |
inc0 | y | 20:28 |
inc0 | and run vagrant while being on vpn | 20:28 |
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diltram | inc0: it's my idea of doing that, I'm configuring my VPN tunnel as GW to access all private ips of vms | 20:29 |
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cloudnull | diltram: https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/68199242.jpg | 20:29 |
inc0 | cloudnull, you made it right now? | 20:29 |
diltram | cloudnull: hahahaha :P | 20:29 |
cloudnull | inc0: yes | 20:30 |
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inc0 | I know some wheels are aren't super cute, they might not be painted the way you want....but when you invent new one it tends to be rectangular | 20:30 |
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cloudnull | inc0: thats going on twitter | 20:32 |
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inc0 | lol | 20:35 |
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cloudnull | inc0: https://twitter.com/cloudnull/status/727234908951703552 I would've tagged you but I didn't immediately know your handle. | 20:35 |
* cloudnull isn't even sure your on twitter. | 20:35 | |
inc0 | hmm | 20:36 |
inc0 | I don't know my twitter as well;) | 20:37 |
inc0 | I used it for a while but kinda stopped | 20:37 |
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raj_singh | /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER raj_singh jnuvlvwzzfyv | 21:23 |
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ankur-gupta-f1 | thanks raj_singh: | 21:27 |
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raj_singh | yup its official now. My lessor learnt from summit was have IRC handle that is easy to remember and pronounce | 21:32 |
raj_singh | s/lessor/lesson | 21:32 |
raj_singh | sp sarafraj->raj_singh | 21:32 |
raj_singh | s/sp/so | 21:32 |
siva_krishnan | raj_singh was that your irc password ? | 21:33 |
ankur-gupta-f1 | yea | 21:34 |
ankur-gupta-f1 | hehehe | 21:34 |
raj_singh | yup | 21:34 |
raj_singh | copy paste | 21:34 |
raj_singh | good I was not in a nova channel | 21:36 |
siva_krishnan | yeah. it happens :) | 21:39 |
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anush | raj_singh use this to change your password ;-) "/msg nickserv SET PASSWORD <password>" | 22:04 |
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raj_singh | @anush Thx | 22:07 |
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