Tuesday, 2016-03-22

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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo: IPv6: dual-stack support for Keystone  https://review.openstack.org/28634401:01
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openstackgerritMatt Fischer proposed openstack/puppet-trove: Trove external dependency management  https://review.openstack.org/29434501:42
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openstackgerritMichael Chapman proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo: Add keystone and db sync profiles  https://review.openstack.org/29271203:18
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openstackgerritMichael Chapman proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo: Add keystone and db sync profiles  https://review.openstack.org/29271205:14
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openstackgerritMarcus Furlong proposed openstack/puppet-magnum: fix incorrect rabbit_userid parameter  https://review.openstack.org/29565207:27
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openstackgerritDenis Egorenko proposed openstack/puppet-openstack-integration: Bumb RDO repo to latest  https://review.openstack.org/29567908:57
openstackgerritBabu Shanmugam proposed openstack/puppet-vswitch: Added custom type vs_config and OVS provider for it  https://review.openstack.org/28599609:02
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openstackgerritBabu Shanmugam proposed openstack/puppet-vswitch: Added custom type vs_config and OVS provider for it  https://review.openstack.org/28599609:05
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openstackgerritDenis Egorenko proposed openstack/puppet-glance: Add Glance Glare API service  https://review.openstack.org/29352409:06
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openstackgerritJuan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo: Make cipher suite and SSL options configurable  https://review.openstack.org/29443809:18
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openstackgerritDmitry Burmistrov proposed openstack/puppet-heat: Use identity_uri and auth_uri by default  https://review.openstack.org/26132611:27
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EmilienMgood morning !11:36
skolekonovmorning!11:39
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-openstack-integration: bump RDO Mitaka to March 22th  https://review.openstack.org/29574411:59
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mjblackEmilienM: morning12:02
mjblackEmilienM,mfisch: please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293551 thanks12:03
EmilienMmjblack: you did not address mwhahaha's comment that is asking for unit test12:04
EmilienMyou need to patch https://github.com/openstack/puppet-horizon/blob/master/spec/classes/horizon_wsgi_apache_spec.rb#L27112:04
mjblackI saw a link to a puppet-keystone unit test12:05
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EmilienMyes, for the example12:05
mjblackI'll update the unit test12:06
mjblackI missed what he meant, still downing the coffee12:07
EmilienM:)12:07
degorenkohey :)12:08
mjblackhi12:09
mjblackEmilienM: I think we might have the same issue in puppet-keystone with regards to the http package name12:10
mjblacknope, looks like someone already updated puppet-keystone to use 'httpd'12:10
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mjblackunit test though has to be updated, I'll submit a patch for that12:12
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EmilienMmjblack: ok thanks12:14
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-nova: add releasenote for security group provider  https://review.openstack.org/29575012:18
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mjblackEmilienM: it looks like with horizon it's a bit more complicated12:25
mjblackspec is looking for the correct title but with namevar set to apache212:25
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mjblackEmilienM: So it's only using the http_service param there to check the namevar, it is expecting the resource titles to be 'httpd' with a namevar of 'apache2'12:34
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openstackgerritDmitry Burmistrov proposed openstack/puppet-heat: Use identity_uri and auth_uri by default  https://review.openstack.org/26132612:46
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-aodh: Release 8.0.0  https://review.openstack.org/29577412:49
openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-vswitch: Added custom type vs_config and OVS provider for it  https://review.openstack.org/28599612:53
openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-trove: Trove external dependency management  https://review.openstack.org/29434512:53
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-modulesync-configs: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29578213:06
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-aodh: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29579113:19
EmilienMsorry for spam in advance13:19
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-barbican: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29579213:20
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-ceilometer: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29579313:20
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-ceph: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29579413:20
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-cinder: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29579513:20
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-designate: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29579613:20
EmilienMdegorenko: it should not pass CI13:20
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-glance: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29579713:20
degorenkoEmilienM, ack13:20
EmilienMdegorenko: but at least patches are ready when infra moves13:20
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-gnocchi: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29579813:20
degorenkosure13:20
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-heat: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29579913:20
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-horizon: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29580013:21
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-ironic: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29580113:21
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-manila: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29580213:21
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-magnum: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29580313:21
degorenkoEmilienM, btw, i realized why my glance glare patch doesn't pass centos job13:21
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-mistral: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29580413:21
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-murano: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29580513:21
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-neutron: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29580613:21
EmilienMdegorenko: why?13:21
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-nova: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29580713:22
degorenkoit is package problem, i've notified guys from rdo, already fixed, i'm waiting for a new repo release13:22
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-octavia: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29580813:22
EmilienMdegorenko: great13:22
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-openstack_extras: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29580913:22
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-openstacklib: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29581013:22
EmilienMdegorenko: but we won't have it in Mitaka I guess, maybe something we can backport13:22
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-oslo: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29581113:22
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-rally: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29581313:22
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-vitrage: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29581413:22
degorenkoEmilienM, well, as you wish :)13:23
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-sahara: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29581513:23
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-swift: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29581613:23
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-tempest: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29581713:23
EmilienMdegorenko: if the code is easily backportable and backward compatible, we can do it I guess13:23
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-trove: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29581813:23
degorenkoEmilienM, also, i've updating patch for nova openstack provider13:23
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-vswitch: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29581913:23
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-zaqar: Switch to ubuntu-trusty DIBS  https://review.openstack.org/29582013:23
degorenkoEmilienM, indeed, there is nothing incompatible13:23
EmilienMspam finished, sorry :-)13:23
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-aodh: Release 8.0.0  https://review.openstack.org/29577413:25
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo: IPv6: dual-stack support for Keystone  https://review.openstack.org/28634413:40
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bkeromeeting?14:03
EmilienMbkero: in one hour, it's only 2pm UTC.14:03
bkerooh weird14:03
bkeroIt has been in my schedule at this time14:04
mwhahahadaylight savings time? :D14:04
bkeroyeah maybe14:06
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mwhahahaEmilienM: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295491/ ready for merge?14:34
EmilienMmwhahaha: yeah14:34
openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-openstack-release-tools: Prepare 8.0.0 release  https://review.openstack.org/29549114:35
EmilienMthanks14:35
openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-nova: add releasenote for security group provider  https://review.openstack.org/29575014:38
mjblackmwhahaha: you here?14:39
mwhahahahi14:39
mjblackhey, with regards to my change14:39
mjblackthe spec file is correct14:39
mwhahahayea but it doesn't test for package('httpd')14:40
mjblackwhoever wrote in that section did it correctly14:40
mjblackyes it does14:40
mjblackits testing for specifically this package { 'httpd': name => 'apache2' }14:40
mwhahahahttps://github.com/openstack/puppet-horizon/blob/master/spec/classes/horizon_wsgi_apache_spec.rb#L7014:40
mwhahahano it's testing for service('httpd')14:40
mwhahahanot package14:41
mjblackyes it is14:41
mwhahahawhere14:41
mjblackwith_name is set to apache214:41
mjblackbut the title is 'httpd'14:41
mwhahahathat's the service14:41
mjblackyup14:41
mwhahahai'm asking for a should contain_package('httpd')14:41
mwhahahaas that is specifically what broke14:41
mjblackit's looking for service { 'httpd': name => 'apache2' }14:41
mwhahahathose are not equivalent14:42
mjblackoh, ok I see14:42
mjblackI thought you meant that I needed to change those lines, I'll add the extra lines for package14:42
mwhahahayea just add more lines14:43
mwhahahathat's all :)14:43
EmilienMmwhahaha: this is a first attempt to release puppet-aodh https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295774/14:43
mwhahahamjblack: actually i'm not sure you want to update the params::http_service14:53
mwhahahai think you want to fix the relationship to be 'httpd' rather than using the http_service14:53
mwhahahabecause the service_name for debian is apache214:53
mjblackmwhahaha: I'm going to update the manifest to use httpd for the dependency and move http_service back to the way it was14:55
mwhahahasounds good14:55
mwhahahashould still add a should contain_package('httpd') ;)14:55
EmilienMmeeting in 5 min14:56
openstackgerritDenis Egorenko proposed openstack/puppet-nova: Use OpenstackClient for nova providers auth  https://review.openstack.org/22686214:59
EmilienMmeeting time! #openstack-meeting-415:00
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openstackgerritMatthew J Black proposed openstack/puppet-horizon: Fixed ubuntu package dependency on puppet 4.3  https://review.openstack.org/29355115:12
openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-openstack-integration: bump RDO Mitaka to March 22th  https://review.openstack.org/29574415:12
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openstackgerritDenis Egorenko proposed openstack/puppet-nova: Use OpenstackClient for nova providers auth  https://review.openstack.org/22686215:41
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-glance: Add Glance Glare API service  https://review.openstack.org/29352415:45
openstackgerritDenis Egorenko proposed openstack/puppet-glance: Add Glance Glare API service  https://review.openstack.org/29352415:49
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EmilienMmjblack: err, blocker was on puppet-horizon not puppet-keystone16:00
EmilienMmjblack: no blocker on keystone right?16:01
EmilienMdegorenko, mwhahaha: maybe we can get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294841/ too16:01
mjblackfor puppet 4?16:01
mjblacknope16:01
mjblackonly horizon16:01
mjblackwell only thing that I've encountered that I know of16:01
EmilienMmjblack: thx16:02
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EmilienMdegorenko: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295774/16:31
EmilienMI want to release puppet-aodh today just to validate our workflow16:31
openstackgerritGiulio Fidente proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo: Allow the redis custom monitor to use authentication  https://review.openstack.org/29593716:31
EmilienMso I can document it and continue the process for other modules16:31
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-horizon: Fixed ubuntu package dependency on puppet 4.3  https://review.openstack.org/29355116:36
degorenkoEmilienM, glare passed :)16:39
EmilienMgreat16:39
EmilienMso we can have it16:39
degorenkoand nova-openstack client passed too :D16:39
degorenkohttps://review.openstack.org/22686216:39
degorenkobut it's probably better to postpone16:39
EmilienMdegorenko: I -2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226862/16:41
EmilienMbut +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293524/16:41
degorenkook, thanks :)16:42
degorenkomwhahaha, can you take a look on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293524/16:42
openstackgerritPradeep Kilambi proposed openstack/puppet-gnocchi: Skip storage sync during gnocchi upgrade by default  https://review.openstack.org/29594416:42
mwhahahayea i'm going to wait until fuel ci reports on it before merging16:42
openstackgerritPradeep Kilambi proposed openstack/puppet-gnocchi: Skip storage sync during gnocchi upgrade by default  https://review.openstack.org/29594416:43
degorenkomwhahaha, it was green on 5 patch set, and diff with 5 patchset is only releasenote :)16:43
mwhahahak16:43
mwhahahaif it breaks, i blame you :D16:43
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degorenko:D16:44
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-nova: Swap in redhat as special service provider  https://review.openstack.org/29484116:46
degorenkoEmilienM, is nodesets/trusty topic ready to review?16:50
EmilienMno16:57
EmilienMdegorenko: we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294203/ to land16:58
EmilienMmaybe more?16:58
* EmilienM asking on infra16:58
degorenkorevert revert, nice16:58
EmilienMlol16:58
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myatsenkohi Guys,17:04
myatsenkoin what way we create a defaul role: _member_ ?17:04
myatsenkoearlier in kilo we created ​_member_​ role in a such way:17:04
myatsenkohttps://github.com/openstack/puppet-keystone/blob/stable/kilo/lib/puppet/provider/keystone_user/openstack.rb#L17517:04
myatsenkois it regression or we have another way to do it?17:04
degorenkorichm, chem, guys, take a look please  ^17:05
chemmyatsenko: keystone_role {'member':ensure => present} if you need it17:06
chemmyatsenko: keystone_role {'_member_':ensure => present} if you need it17:06
richmchem: +117:06
degorenkoit was fast :) thanks17:06
richmall that project crap should be removed from keystone_user asap17:06
myatsenkothank you Guys ))17:07
openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-aodh: Release 8.0.0  https://review.openstack.org/29577417:07
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openstackgerritGiulio Fidente proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo: Allow the Redis specific monitor to use authentication  https://review.openstack.org/29593717:15
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-glance: Add Glance Glare API service  https://review.openstack.org/29352417:28
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EmilienMI'm releasing puppet-aodh today and see if the reno /ci thing worked fine17:53
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-aodh: Updates for stable/mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/29597618:00
openstackgerritPradeep Kilambi proposed openstack/puppet-gnocchi: Skip storage sync during gnocchi upgrade by default  https://review.openstack.org/29594418:00
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openstackgerritKeith Schincke proposed openstack/puppet-ceph: Add rgw_key to profile/params.pp  https://review.openstack.org/29598918:28
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-ceph: Add possibility to preserve previous apache deployment  https://review.openstack.org/26063918:33
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EmilienMmwhahaha: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295976/ failing CI on stable/mitaka18:40
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mwhahahait appears to not be configured to support that branch18:41
EmilienMok18:41
EmilienMmwhahaha: can we land it?18:41
mwhahahaprobably let me look18:41
EmilienMmwhahaha: after a review of course18:41
EmilienMmwhahaha: if you +2, I'll send patches for other modules18:41
EmilienMit's important we check stable/mitaka in puppet-openstack-integration18:42
EmilienMfor both unit tests & functional18:42
mwhahahaoh it's because we don't have a stable/mitaka branch yet18:43
mwhahahanot sure the fix for that one18:43
EmilienMmwhahaha: you talking about fuel CI?18:43
mwhahahayea18:43
EmilienMok18:43
EmilienMmwhahaha: I wanted to test aodh to make sure puppet-openstack-_spec_helper was checkouting stable/mitaka18:44
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EmilienMpuppet-openstack-integration jobs does: http://logs.openstack.org/76/295976/1/check/gate-puppet-openstack-integration-3-scenario001-tempest-dsvm-trusty/8ee2240/console.html#_2016-03-22_18_10_08_36918:44
EmilienMbeaker does too: http://logs.openstack.org/76/295976/1/check/gate-puppet-aodh-puppet-beaker-rspec-dsvm-centos7/af94c51/console.html#_2016-03-22_18_07_00_44018:45
mwhahahasince we aren't using the stable/mitaka branches now we can land those because it won't break fuel now18:45
EmilienMand unit too: http://logs.openstack.org/76/295976/1/check/gate-puppet-aodh-puppet-unit-4.0-dsvm-centos7/7fbad02/console.html#_2016-03-22_18_06_24_56218:45
EmilienMok18:45
EmilienMso everything is clear on my side18:46
mwhahahawe will be coming along and updating to use the stable/mitaka branches soon so we'll need to get our fuel-ci fixed18:46
EmilienMmwhahaha: sure18:46
mwhahahai'm going to send out a note to the ML today about plans for switching18:46
EmilienMexcellent18:46
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-openstack-cookiecutter: metadata.json: bump to Mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/29600518:50
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openstackgerritDrew Fisher proposed openstack/puppet-vswitch: Add Solaris support  https://review.openstack.org/29601018:57
EmilienM_ody: can you use https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet4 for your work on puppet4?19:17
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-openstack-integration: do-not-merge - puppet4 tests  https://review.openstack.org/29601519:23
EmilienM_ody: kicking a new CI job to test puppet4 (horizon & nova should be fixed)19:24
EmilienMjobs are in experimental queue19:24
openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-aodh: Updates for stable/mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/29597619:26
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-aodh: Import release notes from stable/mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/29602019:31
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EmilienMok so I have kind of a workflow for the branching19:50
EmilienMI'll prepare all the patches, using the same topic, so core folks will be able to review19:51
EmilienMif all is done & green by Monday, we'll tag on Monday19:51
mwhahahasounds good19:52
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-gnocchi: Skip storage sync during gnocchi upgrade by default  https://review.openstack.org/29594420:22
openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-aodh: Import release notes from stable/mitaka  https://review.openstack.org/29602020:22
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openstackgerritLokesh Jain proposed openstack/puppet-neutron: Add ensure_absent_val behavior to Nuage neutron plugin type  https://review.openstack.org/29604320:36
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openstackgerritDavid Gurtner proposed openstack/puppet-ceph: Refactor ceph::profile::rgw  https://review.openstack.org/29605021:00
openstackgerritDavid Gurtner proposed openstack/puppet-ceph: Refactor ceph::profile::rgw  https://review.openstack.org/29605021:01
EmilienMfyi, I started a document about our backport policy: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Puppet/Backport_policy21:03
EmilienMfeel free to improve it or give feedback21:03
openstackgerritDavid Gurtner proposed openstack/puppet-ceph: Refactor ceph::profile::rgw  https://review.openstack.org/29605021:03
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo: Add Glance profiles  https://review.openstack.org/29607621:33
openstackgerritAlex Schultz proposed openstack/puppet-keystone: Update keystone wsgi scripts  https://review.openstack.org/29430321:38
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo: Add Glance profiles  https://review.openstack.org/29607621:51
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openstackgerritAlex Schultz proposed openstack/puppet-keystone: Update keystone wsgi scripts  https://review.openstack.org/29430322:05
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openstackgerritAlex Schultz proposed openstack/puppet-keystone: Update keystone wsgi scripts  https://review.openstack.org/29430322:34
EmilienMmgagne: I know you don't have much time but I would need your help to add testing for linuxbridge in neutron/ml2 for our integration CI22:38
mgagneEmilienM: what's the question?22:38
EmilienMmgagne: I would like to know what do I need to change beside neutron plugin and neutron agent22:38
EmilienMneutron l3 too? nova?22:38
EmilienMdhcp agent?22:39
mgagnenothing? we don't use l3/dhcp agent22:39
mgagnenova should be fine by itself22:39
mgagnelet me check22:39
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EmilienMmgagne: well, our CI is using l3/dhcp agent22:39
mgagnewon't be able to help with that, l3 is managed by an external tool22:40
mgagneand we use configdrive, not dhcp22:40
EmilienMok, I'll investigate then.22:40
EmilienMin fact http://logs.openstack.org/38/295838/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge/78aa78c/logs/etc/neutron/ is really helpful22:40
mgagnewe use neutron::agents::ml2::linuxbridge on the compute node and that's about it22:41
mgagnemechanism_drivers = linuxbridge in neutron-server ml2 plugin config22:42
EmilienMk22:42
mgagneit's super easy tbh22:42
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EmilienMeverything is easy, but we need to test it ;-)22:43
mgagne:D22:43
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dmsimardEmilienM: fyi ^ https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-neutron/+bug/156071622:43
openstackLaunchpad bug 1560716 in puppet-neutron "linuxbridge agent configuration file path is wrong for RDO packaging" [Undecided,New]22:43
EmilienMdmsimard: thx.22:43
dmsimardEmilienM: it passed with just hacking the path, tempest is running now22:50
EmilienMok22:50
dmsimardI guess I will submit a patch with the fact check and put a depends-on in your patch22:50
EmilienMyeah22:50
dmsimardI have to step away, add me as a reviewer on your patch if you figure it out ?22:51
EmilienMwe need to ping ubuntu to match it also22:51
EmilienMI dislike conditionals like this22:51
dmsimardso do I22:51
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-openstack-integration: scenario003: deploy Neutron with ML2 linuxbridge  https://review.openstack.org/29610223:22
EmilienMdmsimard: first shoot ^23:22
EmilienMmwhahaha: you ok to land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294838/ ?23:42
openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/puppet-openstack-integration: do-not-merge - puppet4 tests  https://review.openstack.org/29601523:43
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