Wednesday, 2017-11-29

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rdogerritrdo-trunk created rdoinfo master: Bump rdoinfo ocata tags to latest upper-constraints  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1072800:03
rdogerritrdo-trunk created rdoinfo master: Promote CBS tags update for pike-testing  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1072900:04
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rdogerritrdo-trunk created openstack/panko-distgit rpm-master: openstack-panko: failed to build 48b3c63  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1073000:22
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tristanChum, it seems like rdo-cloud is experiencing network connectivity issues04:11
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tristanCand it's back, nevermind04:13
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rdogerritYatin Karel proposed openstack/openstacksdk-distgit rpm-master: Switch to os-service-types, openstackdocstheme and stestr  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1053704:42
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chkumar|404number80: jpena|off amoralej|off ykarel|lunch \o/08:21
number80o/08:22
* chkumar|404 will back to office hopefully by tomorrow. :-)08:22
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amoralejgood morning08:35
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rdogerritchkumar246 created rdoinfo master: pin tempest to 17.2.0 for Pike  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1073208:49
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jpenagood morning08:50
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chandankumaramoralej: jpena i will take a look at neutron tempest plugin review as well as tempest reviews tomorrow08:54
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rdogerritAlan Pevec proposed openstack/tempest-distgit rpm-master: Disable warning-is-error for sphinx  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1072709:55
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apevecjpena, does dlrn buildroot have internet access?10:02
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jpenaapevec: for now, it does, but we can remove it if needed10:06
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apevecnm, just checking, looking at diff when building tempest in dlrn vs cbs10:07
apevecit's likely not the internet access10:07
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apevecit's actually https://github.com/softwarefactory-project/DLRN/blob/master/scripts/common-functions#L61-L6210:07
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apevecand it's my workaround which I forgot about :)10:09
apevec# FIXME: remove when Sphinx 1.5 update is ready in Pike deps repo10:09
apevectime to remove it I guess10:09
apevecit's masking issues like this in Tempest now10:10
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apevecquestion is what will break?10:10
apevecamoralej, chandankumar ^10:10
amoralejit shouldn't break10:10
amoraleji think we fixed all known issues10:10
amoralejin pike branching10:11
amoralejas they failed in cbs10:11
apevectempest rebase hits it10:11
amoralejit should be ok to remove the workaround10:11
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amoralejand fix errors as appear if any10:11
apevechttps://review.rdoproject.org/r/1071310:11
apevecamoralej, fix is to reintroduce sed, just in different place https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1072710:12
amoralejthen, we need to fix in distgit10:12
amoralejyeah10:12
amoraleji'd prefer to wait for next promotion before bumping tempest10:12
amoralejunless it fix any blocker10:12
amoraleji think promotion is a bit out of control10:13
amoraleji mean, today we found two new blockers10:13
apevecdamn10:13
amoralejand experience shows that new tempest introduces issues very often10:13
chemamoralej: hi, we have an new issue with the multinode upgrade pike job, I was wondering who could help.  It seems related to repo: https://logs.rdoproject.org/08/523408/2/openstack-check/gate-tripleo-ci-centos-7-containers-multinode-upgrades-pike/Ze9ec275f213b484b826bcb94d4e45137/undercloud/home/jenkins/failed_upgrade.log.txt.gz ?10:14
amoralejapevec, oh, sorry bump is in pike, not master10:15
apevecamoralej, looks like Ihar was pushing Tempest rebase to fix some ipv6 scenarios which are probably not running in upstream promotion or gate ?10:15
amoralejwell, anyway i'd wait for promotion10:15
apevecyeah, Pike10:15
amoralejok, if it's needed, let's do it, then10:15
amoralejchem, gimme a while please10:15
apevecPike was not promoted after fixing promotion server yesterday?10:15
chemamoralej: yeah, np10:15
amoralejapevec, there is a known blocker10:16
amoralejapevec, https://trello.com/c/AeqTLrWX/367-cixlp1734134tripleociproa-pike-periodic-promotion-job-multinode-1ctlr-featureset016-fail-with-error-running-docker-gnocchidbsync10:16
apevecuhm, that's Pike, I thought it's master only10:17
amoralejin fact, so far it's pike only10:17
amoralejalthough master are failing with other issues before that10:18
amoralejit may be master also10:18
apevechow come, suspected change is backported from master10:18
apevecyeah, must be master we just didn't get to it10:18
jpenachem: looking at the log, it's trying to fetch a non-existing repo (http://mirror.dfw.rax.openstack.org:8080/rdo/centos7-pike/deps/). The deps repo in trunk.rdo is only in use for master (queens), for pike we still use the buildlogs repo10:18
jpenaamoralej: ^^10:18
amoraleji dunno, i just say i didn't say in master yet10:18
amoralejthat's repo missconfiguration10:19
amoralejjpena, chem ^10:19
apevecjpena, hmm, somebody messed up repo config10:19
apevecI pushed deps reposetup change only for master10:19
apeveclet's check oooq git log10:19
amoralejthere was a review to configure deps in upgrades...10:20
amoralejlet me check10:20
apevecwhy is it not just downloading delorean-deps.repo ?10:21
apevecamoralej, yeah, Id53b609ff6f31e1da96598c180151239be287242 in oooqe10:23
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apevechttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/517280/7/roles/overcloud-upgrade/templates/overcloud-repo-tripleo-ci.yaml.j210:24
amoralejohhh+10:24
amoralejit missed pike10:24
amoralejini the condition10:24
apevecyes10:24
apevecchem, ^10:24
amoralejso, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517280/5/roles/overcloud-upgrade/templates/overcloud-repo-tripleo-ci.yaml.j2 was correct10:24
amoralejin PS510:25
amoralejbut when reversing the condition pike was missed10:25
apevecbut again why construct repourl vs d/l delorean-deps.repo ?10:25
chemapevec: amoralej thanks, looking10:25
jpenaapevec: to use the mirrors in the openstack infra instead of downloading from trunk.rdo/buildlogs10:25
apeveca-ha, although that could be replaced in .repo too10:26
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rdogerritMerged openstack/tempest-distgit rpm-master: Disable warning-is-error for sphinx  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1072710:28
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amoralejapevec, chem there is already a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523480/10:30
chemamoralej: ack10:32
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rdogerritJavier Peña created openstack/ironic-distgit rpm-master: Fix unit test execution  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1073310:48
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amoralejjpena, i've put node 53283 on hold to investigate an issue11:00
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ykarelapevec, amoralej here is the card for fixing warning-is-error: https://trello.com/c/OhCZeLMO/641-migrate-to-sphinx-162-pbr-311-python-openstackdocstheme-111011:06
ykarelwe can close it after removing workaround and there are no new issues11:06
rdogerritGabriele Cerami proposed rdo-infra/ci-config master: promoter setup: add logrotate policy and install it  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1024011:07
rdogerritMerged rdo-infra/ci-config master: promoter setup: add logrotate policy and install it  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1024011:08
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apevecykarel, latest tempest has the issue11:12
apevecI'll add it on the checklist11:12
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ykarelapevec, i found that few days back but forgot to add it to the checklist11:13
ykarelapevec, Ok add it to the list11:13
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apevecykarel, your last comment also says puppet-midonet and I don't see it on the list11:16
ykarelapevec, yes missed both11:17
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apevecbtw is that first puppet-* with sphinx docs?11:17
ykarelapevec, no it had different error but was reported on complete dlrn run11:18
ykarelcd puppet-midonet: no such file or directory11:18
ykarel%prep failed11:18
apevecah that's unrelated then11:18
rdogerritAlan Pevec created openstack/tempest-distgit pike-rdo: Disable warning-is-error for sphinx  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1073411:19
ykarelyes, i found both in same dlrn run so added it as a comment11:20
ykarelyes unrelated with spinx warning issue11:20
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rdogerritAlan Pevec proposed openstack/tempest-distgit pike-rdo: Bump to 17.2.0  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1071311:21
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rdogerritSagi Shnaidman proposed rdo-infra/ci-config master: Enable persistent journal for promoter  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1072111:40
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apevecamoralej, I've added DoD redefinition topic for today https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RDO-Meeting12:18
apevecI won't be able to join, so I posted my proposal on the lists12:18
apevecDiscuss! :)12:18
amoralejapevec, ok12:18
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apevecI left open how to include all the containerized installers,12:19
apevecthey could be added as optional (3rd party) vote12:19
apevecbut wouldn't be blocking12:19
apevecthis leaves it inclusing to all12:20
apevecso that ooo is not privileged12:20
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amoralejapevec, ok, makes sense12:20
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rdogerritJavier Peña proposed openstack/panko-distgit rpm-master: Remove policy.json from Panko  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1072514:05
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rdogerritRabi Mishra created rdoinfo master: Add Heat Tempest Plugin  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1073514:19
rdogerritMerged openstack/panko-distgit rpm-master: Remove policy.json from Panko  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1072514:20
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number80RDO meeting in 10 min, please update agenda => https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RDO-Meeting14:50
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amoralejhi15:01
amoralejmeeting time!15:01
dmsimard\o15:01
amoralej#startmeeting RDO meeting - 2017-11-2915:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 29 15:01:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is amoralej. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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amoralej#topic roll call15:01
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amoralej#chair dmsimard ykarel mary_grace jpena15:02
openstackCurrent chairs: amoralej dmsimard jpena mary_grace ykarel15:02
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amoralej#chair number80 rbowen15:04
openstackCurrent chairs: amoralej dmsimard jpena mary_grace number80 rbowen ykarel15:04
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amoralej#chair jruzicka15:05
openstackCurrent chairs: amoralej dmsimard jpena jruzicka mary_grace number80 rbowen ykarel15:05
amoralejok, let's start with first topic15:05
amoralej#topic Test day: "trystack" for the duration of the test day15:05
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amoralejwho sent that?15:05
rbowendmsimard and I, I believe.15:05
dmsimardhi15:05
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rbowenJust to confirm that this is indeed what we're planning to do, and that folks are on board with this.15:06
dmsimardSo for the next test day we'll be doing an experimental thing that we hope will be successful15:06
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dmsimardand I'd like everyone to do a lot of buzz around this, tell your friends about it, blog about it etc etc15:06
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amoralejdmsimard, let me know how i can help15:07
amoralejto deploy it or whatever15:07
number80so do we have a proper howto for that?15:07
rbowenWe also need to come up with test scenarios that we encourage people to go through on this test cloud.15:07
dmsimardFor the next test day, in addition to the usual test scenarios where we encourage people to try to install openstack on their own, RDO will provide a test cloud so that people can test it from a user perspective15:07
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dmsimardThis is cool for a lot of reasons, 1) installing openstack is boring, 2) they can test things within minutes instead of potentially hours 3) people don't necessarily have the hardware to install it on15:08
jruzicka> True15:08
amoralej#info in next test day, RDO will provide a test cloud so that people can perform user test-cases in addition to RDO deployment tests15:08
dmsimardWe're planning to do this first installation with the Packstack installer with as many projects as possible (magnum, etc.), on one single bare metal node with appropriate specifications15:08
dmsimardIf this experiment is successful, it would be great to try different installers throughout the cycle for each test day15:09
amoralejdmsimard, so what about tenants15:09
amoralejwe'll create tenants in advance for users that request it?15:10
amoralejor self-service?15:10
dmsimardHowever this means involving the core teams of the installers not only to deploy the server for the duration of the test day but also help troubleshoot issues throughout the test days15:10
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dmsimardI think we'll want to create a tenant on-demand to avoid abuse, people interested in testing would let us know in advance if possible15:10
amoralejok15:10
dmsimardWe can probably write a small playbook that'd create the tenant/users and then just a list of user/passwords to iterate through15:11
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amoralejself-service + approval would be ideal, but i'm not aware of any out-of-the-box tool to do that15:11
number80Then, we need a simple procedure to be written15:11
dmsimardSince the first installer is Packstack, I'd like to propose dmsimard, amoralej and jpena as core folks for this first experiment :)15:11
amoralej+115:12
dmsimardamoralej: right15:12
number80otherwise, people will show up and the time to create tenants, then, they're gone15:12
dmsimardnumber80: creating a tenant/user is easy..15:12
number80(and I know this time can be very short)15:12
jpenaif people register in advance, we could pre-create the users/tenants for them, then send the credentials on the test day15:12
number80dmsimard: yeah, but it's better to ask people to register by advance (and fix for others on-demand)15:12
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dmsimardyes15:12
rbowen_What mechanism do we want to use for folks to register?15:13
dmsimardrbowen_: I'd probably centralize everything in an etherpad15:13
dmsimardrbowen_: in the header you'd have a list of people participating (name, email), we'd create access and send them the credentials by email15:13
number80*nods*15:14
dmsimardrbowen_: and the pad would also contain feedback for the experiment (issues from an operational perspective, bugs found by users, etc.)15:14
dmsimardbecause let's not forget that this is also a good opportunity to test the installer in question15:14
dmsimardrbowen_: I can draft the etherpad format15:15
rbowen_ok.15:15
dmsimardif we're okay with that approach15:15
rdogerritPradeep Kilambi created openstack/gnocchi-distgit rpm-master: Rename openstack-gnocchi to gnocchi  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1073615:15
rbowen_And I'll turn the above transcript into a blog post draft, and run that by you.15:15
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amoralejok, so we'll advertise it in users and devs maillist and ask to add themselves to the etherpad15:15
mary_gracerbowen_: we can use that same text to put a brief paragraph in the newsletter as well.15:16
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dmsimardamoralej: right, I'd try to be as loud as I can everywhere15:16
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amoralejyeah, ok15:16
dmsimardtwitter, blogs, mailing lists15:16
dmsimardI'll even post something to openstack-dev/openstack-operators15:16
rbowen_The scheduled date is Dec 13/14, so we have a few days to get the word out.15:16
amoralejhow much capacity we will have?15:17
dmsimardamoralej: looking at a 64GB RAM machine with sufficient disk space15:17
amoralejcould users deploy aio packstack in an instance in the tenant?15:17
amoralejmmm15:17
ykareldmsimard, packstack is still not deprecated, right? last sunday in a meetup a guy was telling that he heard packstack is being deprecated15:17
mary_graceDec 13/14? or 14/15?15:17
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rbowen_Um ... checking15:17
amoralejthat's not much for users to deploy packstack in tenant15:17
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rbowen_14/15. Thanks.15:17
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dmsimardI'm not sure the point is to allow people to deploy tripleo/packstack in that environment15:17
dmsimardIt's not a bad idea by any means, but it has an impact on the budget15:18
rbowen_I'll update http://rdoproject.org/testday/ today, too.15:18
rbowen_dmsimard: Let's start small, see how it goes, and then work up.15:18
jpenawell, a single 64 GB machine with an all-in-one setup will leave enough room for about 10-20 VMs with 4 GB of RAM, not more15:18
amoralejdmsimard, it's a way to allow to test both users and admin use cases in the same environment15:18
dmsimardlike, I even considered limiting the flavors available15:18
amoralejbut only aio15:18
dmsimardso that there's no abuse and room for everyone15:18
amoralejand with 64GB, there is no much option15:19
dmsimardLet's start with 64GB, if we're too successful we can consider bumping it up to 128GB for the next one :)15:19
amoralejok, so it sounds as a plan15:19
mary_gracedmsimard: let me know how I can help amplify via RTs, blog round-up, etc. I'll keep an eye out, but if I miss anything, don't hesitate to reach out.15:19
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dmsimardmary_grace: ack15:20
dmsimardthat wraps up this topic15:20
amoralejykarel, it's not deprecated15:20
amoralejbut it's recomended only for PoC use-case15:20
dmsimardykarel: people tend to confuse the state of packstack upstream and in OSP15:21
amoralejyeah15:21
ykarelamoralej, Ok the same thing i told to the guy :)15:21
dmsimardykarel: I'm not sure what's the state of packstack in OSP anymore but it's probably not supported for production use case scenarios15:21
amoralejfor sure not, it's in a separated channel, iirc15:22
ykareldmsimard, ack15:22
amoralejok, so are we done about this topic?15:22
dmsimardPackstack upstream is not "owned" by anyone other than the openstack community -- there's definitely not a lot of new features going in but it's very much kept in working condition15:22
dmsimardI think so15:22
amoralejdmsimard, we could create other etherpad to coordinate the deployment of the test cloud15:23
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dmsimardamoralej: sure15:23
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amoralej#action dmsimard will create a etherpad for users registration to the "test day cloud"15:24
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dmsimard#action dmsimard will create a etherpad for users registration and feedback reports for the "test day cloud"15:24
amoralejdmsimard, go ahead :)15:24
dmsimard#action dmsimard to advertise the experiment on openstack-dev and openstack-operators15:25
dmsimard#action everyone to be loud about this, it's very cool and it would be nice if it would be successful so we can keep doing it in the future15:25
rbowen#action rbowen to draft blog post with information from this discussion, re test day cloud.15:25
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amoralej#action amoralej jpena dmsimard to build test cloud15:26
amoralejok, i think we are done15:26
amoralejlet's move on15:26
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amoralej#topic     Revisiting RDO Technical Definition of Done15:26
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amoralej#info https://lists.rdoproject.org/pipermail/dev/2017-November/008412.html15:26
dmsimardI've already posted my opinion on the thread15:27
amoralejjust to summarize, since queens tripleo can only deploy openstack in containers15:27
dmsimardBeyond installers picking up problems with *packaging* such as missing packages (which sometimes happens due to missing tags, etc.) or bad mirrors or etc, I would not block the release of RDO15:27
amoralejso we are reconsidering what's the definition of done should be, as we are not15:28
amoralejdmsimard, but "installers" you mean packstack/puppet/tripleo/kolla/...15:28
number80Well, I'm fine with that15:28
dmsimardamoralej: yes15:29
number80but we need to run 3o and other installers tests *and* fix issues during the cycle15:29
amoraleji mean, with current proposal pacstack/p-o-i are blocking15:29
dmsimardamoralej: the likelihood of issues being related to packaging beyond RC status is very very low15:29
dmsimardamoralej: therefore if the mirror is good, we should release15:29
number80e.g: tripleo containers using packages non-supported by RDO can cause issues later15:30
dmsimardnumber80: we're always testing all installers throughout the whole cycle15:30
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jpenamakes sense to me. Also, installers tend to release their final versions after the OpenStack release, so it makes sense not to block on TripleO15:30
number80Yeah, but what I don't want to see if TripleO folks running their tests on their side, not reporting issues to us15:30
number80Nightmare would be them setting up a copr to build packages there to workaround issues15:31
dmsimardlol ?15:31
number80It should be clear that's a no-no for us, if there are issues => fix must land in upstream, then RDO, then installer X15:31
amoralejbut a user can create their own containers and deploy from them15:31
amoraleji'd like to validate that case15:32
number80+115:32
dmsimardnumber80: the circumstances of a patch being carried in RDO before it lands upstream are probably not explicit but there must be a clear consensus and an exceptional situation for that to happen15:32
amoralejin the past, both kolla and tripleo RC releases at GA has been good enought to validate15:32
dmsimardnumber80: tripleo needing a patch in RDO because it hasn't been landed and tagged upstream would be quite exceptional and it's a case by case basis15:33
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dmsimardbut it's not like we can't do hotfixes15:33
dmsimardif this kind of issue shows up, let's fix them ad-hoc ad hotfixes15:34
number80dmsimard: I was thinking about all kind of fixes, but TripleO should use our packages, not forks, not packages that are not provided by us15:34
dmsimardat that point, RDO has done their job of shipping the signed tarballs as released upstream15:34
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dmsimardnumber80: if tripleo ends up using packaged forks, then we have other problems15:34
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dmsimardand I very much hope they don't do that15:34
amoraleji don't think they will, i have not seen anything that can lead us to consider that, tbh15:35
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number80dmsimard: yes, and I'd like to state that in DoD, installers are not blockers for GA but they will be run during the whole cycle and issues will get fixed15:35
dmsimardnumber80: yes, let's formalize that in the DoD.15:36
number80DoD is not just GA criteria but also process to reach GA15:36
amoralej"installer are not blockers" is to ambiguous, IMHO15:36
amoralejs/to/too/15:36
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number80amoralej: up to any better wording, I didn't get much thoughts to that :)15:36
dmsimardBugfixes can be released as adhoc hotfixes after release, not unlike how upstream freezes the branches and eventually allows backports to stable branches15:36
amoraleji mean, if we are saying we need to pass packstack/p-o-i to promote, we are asuming they are blocking15:37
number80Yeah15:37
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amoralejand they are installers15:37
dmsimardpromotion of the trunk repositories during the cycle != release15:37
dmsimardthe promotion is really a process to allow themselves to not break their gates15:37
amoralejdmsimard, the cloudsig promotion15:37
dmsimardoh, hmm15:38
amoralejfrom -testing to -release is also gated15:38
amoralejusing weirdo15:38
amoralejand i tripleo (non voting right now)15:38
dmsimardI think that is for stable releases post-GA15:38
dmsimardand yes, we should keep that clear15:38
amoralejin pike we used it for initial tagging also15:38
amoralejso, we need to validate packages are sane and work15:39
dmsimardamoralej: the process of gating updates to the stable mirrors allows us to prevent regressions and breaking stable people and it is required to do that15:39
dmsimardamoralej: yes, we used installers for pike, and you saw how long it took us to release it15:39
amoralejdmsimard, but it was a tooling issue15:39
dmsimardpart was automation issues, but there was a lot of things like timeouts and installer bugs15:39
jpenawe've always used installers to validate the repos before release, haven't we?15:40
amoralejin previous releases we also validated it using pipeline in ci.centos.org15:40
amoralejyes15:40
dmsimardyes, and they've been useful in finding those odd packages that didn't get tagged and things like that15:40
jpenaok, so let's refocus a bit15:40
jpenait's not like we don't want to use installers as a criteria for GA15:41
jpenait's just that we want to use a more limited set, that allows us to do basic checks15:41
jpenaother than a full-fledged, multi-node, HA installation15:41
amoralejespecially because tripleo requires containers which are not a RDO deliverable15:41
jpenaexact15:41
amoralejso, IMO, i'd keep non-container based installers as criteria15:42
amoralej+ a job to validate containers-build process from the packages in the cloudsig repo15:42
jpenaI would specify the criteria as "basic installers" (specifying which ones they are) + the container-build process you mention. We can always change what basic installers means to us in future releases15:43
dmsimardjpena: even a limited set is awkward15:43
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dmsimardthis limited set could be blocking due to issues unrelated to RDO and that's what concerning me15:43
amoralejdmsimard, that has always been the case in previous releases15:44
jpenathat would be very rare15:44
dmsimardIt's almost.. like, we'll run these installer jobs and we'll, at our discretion, decide whether to release or not, depending on the results15:44
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dmsimardWere we not in agreement that using deployment projects that have the "cycle-with-trailing" model to vet the release was an issue earlier ? I'm confused15:45
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amoralejdmsimard, not afaik15:45
dmsimardOpenStack releases on day 0, deployment projects can release on day 14 which means they are not ready15:45
amoralejthen, what's the point on releasing RDO on day 015:46
dmsimardIf we use deployment projects to block the release of RDO, it means we can no longer guarantee day 0 release15:46
amoraleji agree15:46
amoralejbut i prefer to provide repos that can be deployable15:46
amoralejat least in default use cases, even if we have to wait15:46
jpenaWhat would be the point in releasing a set of repos that nobody can use?15:47
amoralejin fact, it has not been an issue before15:47
dmsimardIt's not a bad thing if we want to do that, but one of the objectives (was it an OKR? I forget) was to release RDO within two hours of upstream15:47
amoralejalthough, potentially, it may be15:47
amoralejbut with an acceptable quality15:47
dmsimardjpena: Does OpenStack delay it's release if deployment projects can't deploy it ?15:47
dmsimardWe package OpenStack and the tarballs aren't going to change15:47
jpenayes if it doesn't work on devstack(tm)15:47
dmsimardjpena: right, but day 0 for us starts when they tag the release15:48
dmsimardI'd rather we push this requirement upstream if we're going to block the release15:48
dmsimardWorth discussing with the community/TC15:48
number80(sorry, must be off immediately for family matters)15:49
dmsimardpeople don't deploy devstack in production15:49
amoralejnumber80, ok15:49
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dmsimardok I'll take the action to ask the community about it15:49
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jpenadmsimard: my point (besides the pun) was: upstream won't release something that can't be at least deployed with devstack. Once we release, it should at least be deployable somehow15:50
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dmsimardjpena: I don't know, I wonder if that's actually documented somewhere15:51
dmsimardjpena: do they have a definition of done ?15:51
jpenadmsimard: I guess not, but devstack is part of the gate15:51
dmsimardok, I'll reach out and find out15:51
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dmsimard#action dmsimard to reach out to the community about definition of done and discuss cycle-with-trailing15:52
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amoralejwe can keep the discussion in the maillist thread15:52
dmsimardso, another thing to consider in the DoD15:52
dmsimardwhich is again awkward due to cycle-with-trailing15:53
dmsimardis that we actually carry packages for tripleo15:53
dmsimardso if we release before tripleo, we're actually releasing unreleased software15:53
dmsimardvery chicken-and-egg15:53
amoralejwe release RC reeleases15:53
amoralejthey always release before GA15:53
dmsimardamoralej: right, but otherwise everything else is released15:53
dmsimardamoralej: nova, keystone, etc15:53
amoralejyes15:54
amoralejso, there is a time gap between "main GA" to "cycle-with-trailing" where we are in a weird situation15:54
amoralejwith GA + RC builds15:54
amoralejthat's right15:54
amoralejbut RDO includes all of them15:55
amoralejwe can't do a partial release with only GA, IMO15:55
amoralejso we have two options15:55
amoralej1. Create and validate GA + RC (for cycle-with-trailing)15:55
amoralej2. Wait for cycle-with-trailing15:56
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amoralejcurrently we are doing 115:56
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amoralejand i'd say it has been working pretty well in last releases15:56
amoralejcorrect me if i'm wrong15:56
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jpenawe're running out of time, shall we move to the last item in the agenda?15:58
amoralejwe are almost out of time15:58
amoralejyes15:58
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amoralej#action everyone to keep discussion about DoD in mailing list thread15:58
amoralej#topic Dependencies automation status15:58
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amoralej#info https://review.rdoproject.org/etherpad/p/deps-automation15:58
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amoralejso, this is just to make everyone aware of the activities we are doing to automate dependencies management15:59
rdogerritMerged openstack/tempest-distgit pike-rdo: Disable warning-is-error for sphinx  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1073415:59
amoralejthe goal is to implement some automation to the processes to update dependencies in RDO repo15:59
amoralejin the etherpad there are links to trello cards and reviews16:00
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amoralejso if anyone is interested in the topic, don't hesitate to join #rdo and ask16:00
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amoralejthat's it for this topic16:01
amoralej#topic open floor16:01
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amoralejwho want to chair next week?16:01
amoralejany volunteer?16:01
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radezdmsimard: ping, hey could you make me a pike tree under the aarch46 directory?16:02
jpenanote next Wednesday is a bank holiday in Spain, so amoralej and I will be off16:02
dmsimardradez: yeah.16:02
radezdmsimard: thx!16:02
amoralejin fact, i'll be out the whole week :)16:02
dmsimardI can chair16:02
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amoralej#action dmsimard will chair next weekly meeting16:02
radezdmsimard: I'm going to work on queens and master next too so if you wanted to throw them in there too while you're at it16:03
amoralejany other topic that you want to bring?16:03
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amoralejok, i'm closing the meeting16:03
amoralejthank you all for joining!16:03
amoralej#endmeeting16:03
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dmsimardjpena: left comments in https://softwarefactory-project.io/r/#/c/10372/16:19
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jpenadmsimard: just replied to your comments. About the frontend question, there's another review for dlrnapi_client to expose this (https://softwarefactory-project.io/r/10374)16:33
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myoungjpena, amoralej: I'm seeing an auth issue with dlrnapi endpoint, you folks have a sec to chat?17:05
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jpenamyoung: sure17:05
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rdogerritUser ntpttr proposed openstack/rsd-lib-distgit rpm-master: Initial import of spec file  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1061917:14
chemamoralej: hey, silly question ahead.  We have broken upgrade O->P because tht is coming from @gating-repo and triple-common from delorean.  The later including code that is in tripleo-common in-between delorean and master.  There is no way around this, right ?17:15
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chems/including/needing/17:15
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amoralejchem17:20
amoralejdo you have logs?17:20
chemamoralej: yeah, give me a sec17:20
amoralejtripleo-common is not installed from delorean-current?17:20
chemamoralej: https://logs.rdoproject.org/00/523700/2/openstack-check/gate-tripleo-ci-centos-7-containers-multinode-upgrades-pike/Z11e0aa15006e4d6885acda643ba1871d/undercloud/var/log/extra/yum-list-installed.txt.gz17:21
sfbenderJakub Ružička created rdopkg master: core: action alias support  https://softwarefactory-project.io/r/1045117:22
sfbenderJakub Ružička created rdopkg master: refactor: unify patch and update-patches  https://softwarefactory-project.io/r/1045217:22
jruzickamhu, jschluet, jjoyce review stuff :) ^17:23
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mhujruzicka, rdopkg reporting for duty17:23
rdogerritAlan Pevec proposed openstack/tempest-distgit pike-rdo: Bump to 17.2.0  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1071317:23
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amoralejchem there is not delorean-current17:25
amoralejso you need to wait17:25
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amoralejfor next promotion17:25
amoralejchem, one thing you can do is to do a depends-on to a review in tripleo-common17:25
amoralejthat way, tripleo-common will be built in the job17:26
amoralejand installed from gating-repo17:26
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chemamoralej: the depends on was there but now that it's merged it's not taken into account anymore17:26
chemamoralej: upgrade are non-blocking :)17:26
apevecamoralej, re. tempest bump, please chime in https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1071317:27
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jschluetjruzicka: ack will do17:27
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chemamoralej: for my personal education, delorean-current is only for master, right ?17:28
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rdogerritUser ntpttr proposed openstack/rsd-lib-distgit rpm-master: Initial import of spec file  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1061917:28
amoralejchem, i'm not too familiar, but it looks like it :)17:28
amoraleji'm not tripleo specialist17:28
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chemamoralej: who would know about delorean-current ?17:30
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dmsimardbtw I just noticed that we have a guide for ocata https://docs.openstack.org/ocata/install-guide-rdo/17:32
dmsimardbut not for pike17:32
dmsimardapevec: ^17:32
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amoralejchem ask in #tripleo17:32
amoraleji'm not sure17:33
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rdogerritUser ntpttr proposed openstack/rsd-lib-distgit rpm-master: Initial import of spec file  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1061917:33
chemamoralej: ack, thanks for your help17:33
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apevecdmsimard, looks like Pike install guides have been restructured? https://docs.openstack.org/pike/deploy/17:34
dmsimardmaybe "manual" guides are no longer a thing17:34
apevecand for manual steps there is unified guide https://docs.openstack.org/install-guide/17:34
dmsimardI dunno.17:34
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dmsimardohhhh17:35
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dmsimardoh TIL kolla defaults to centos+rdo for build parameters17:38
dmsimard"By default kolla-build will build all containers using CentOS as the base image and binary installation as base installation method."17:38
dmsimardThat's neat.17:38
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ntpttr_laptophey all o/ I feel like I'm pretty close to https://review.rdoproject.org/r/#/c/10619/12 being ready to go. Right now the tests are failing because it can't find the library 'sushy' when trying to import the python code. In the requirements.txt of the actual python project, it requires sushy, but here in the spec it automatically changed it to python-sushy, which I don't think exists. Is that convention necessary or can I change it to17:41
ntpttr_laptopRequires: sushy instead?17:41
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rdogerritUser ntpttr proposed openstack/rsd-lib-distgit rpm-master: Initial import of spec file  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1061917:44
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sfbenderJakub Ružička proposed rdopkg master: refactor: unify patch and update-patches  https://softwarefactory-project.io/r/1045217:45
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rdogerritMerged rdoinfo master: Bump rdoinfo ocata tags to latest upper-constraints  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1072817:48
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rdogerritrdo-trunk created openstack/heatclient-distgit ocata-rdo: Update to 1.8.2  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1073717:49
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dmsimardamoralej, jpena: maybe a silly idea17:51
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dmsimardbut perhaps part of the test day experiment could involve setting up our nodepool to use it17:51
dmsimardthe cloud we'd set up, that is17:51
ntpttr_laptopdoes the sushy library need to be upstreamed in rdo for that requirement to work?17:52
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jpenantpttr_laptop: there is a python-sushy package in the dependency repo17:53
jpenalet me check17:53
jpenaoh, ok17:54
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jpenathe issue is that you need to specify python-sushy as a build requirement, as well17:54
ntpttr_laptopah I see - should I keep it in Requirements as well? or just BuildRequirements?17:54
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jpenait should be both. You need sushy as a runtime requirement (so it has to be Requires:), but also to run unit tests, so it has to be a BuildRequires17:55
rdogerritJuan Badia Payno proposed config master: centos-opstools checks/creates package modified  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1071117:56
rdogerritUser ntpttr proposed openstack/rsd-lib-distgit rpm-master: Initial import of spec file  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1061917:56
ntpttr_laptopthanks jpena17:56
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chemmcornea: yeah!17:59
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rdogerritUser ntpttr proposed openstack/rsd-lib-distgit rpm-master: Initial import of spec file  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1061918:03
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dmsimardjpena, rbowen, amoralej: fyi I started https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rdo-queens-m2-cloud18:06
dmsimardand I have a companion blog post almost gtg18:06
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amoralejdmsimard, you want to run any job in the test cloud?18:07
amoralejmmm18:08
dmsimardSure, just a max-server of one or something18:08
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amoralejdmsimard, i was thinking in creating a test job or something18:12
amoralejto not block any real change18:12
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amoralejbut yeah, sounds as a very valid test18:12
dmsimardamoralej: can be a test job, sure18:13
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amoralejdmsimard, we could add some section for the users to report what the have tested18:14
amoralejreport success is good also18:14
amoralejnot only issues18:14
dmsimardamoralej: good idea18:15
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ntpttr_laptopah, now my build is failing not finding the python-validictory package and I see it's not there in http://repos.lax.quadranet.com/centos/7.4.1708/cloud/x86_64/openstack-pike/18:18
apevecdmsimard, https://thirdparty-logs.rdoproject.org/ says cert expired Aug 18 - BTW came across this when checking what was https://trello.com/c/gwAAwgD2/645-need-the-index-enabled-on-https-thirdparty-logsrdoprojectorg-for-ci-status-tools about, do you remember?18:18
dmsimardapevec: that URL is no longer valid18:18
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apevecright, why is not 404 then18:18
dmsimardapevec: the URL reported to CI uses thirdparty.logs.rdoproject.org which has a valid certificate18:18
apevecor removed from DNS ?18:19
dmsimardapevec: because we kept the vhost alias when we did the transition18:19
dmsimardnot sure, we can remove the alias and DNS for it18:19
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apevecyeah, let's do xmas cleanup :)18:19
dmsimardI'll take care of it during the logserver rebuild I'm working on18:19
apeveccool, thanks18:19
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rdogerritUser ntpttr proposed openstack/rsd-lib-distgit rpm-master: Initial import of spec file  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1061918:30
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dmsimardrbowen, apevec, amoralej, jpena|away: done https://dmsimard.com/2017/11/29/come-try-a-real-openstack-queens-deployment/18:51
dmsimardalso finished https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rdo-queens-m2-cloud18:51
dmsimardI wanted to do it right away otherwise I would had never done it because $time18:51
apevecah, I missed meeting today, which machine will we take?18:54
apevecdo we have access to TryStack HW?18:54
rdogerritMerged openstack/neutron-lib-distgit rpm-master: Replace rm -rf requirements.txt step with proper rpm macro  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/964118:54
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dmsimardapevec: magical budget for two days graciously provided by rbowen18:56
apevecnice, rbowen++18:56
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dmsimardI'll wait until we have a date to post to openstack-dev/openstack-operators18:58
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dmsimardapevec: https://trello.com/c/gwAAwgD2/645-need-the-index-enabled-on-https-thirdparty-logsrdoprojectorg-for-ci-status-tools was for sshnaidm|rover with sova I think18:59
dmsimardapevec: we did that, we can close the card18:59
apevecplease go ahead w/ that comment19:00
dmsimardok19:00
dmsimarddone19:02
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rbowendmsimard: Is your intent to have the test cloud running the entire week of December 11?19:40
dmsimardrbowen: no19:40
rbowenok, the blog post doesn't specify particular dates, just "the week of December 11th"19:41
dmsimardrbowen: the reason why I mention the week of december 11th is because we know it will likely occur that week but it hasn't been announced yet19:41
rbowenOh, ok.19:41
rbowenI'll get on that, then.19:41
dmsimardI could edit and make it clearer19:41
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dmsimardsec19:41
dmsimardrbowen: "We would like to host the test days the week after, which will be held during two days, the week of December 11th." better ?19:42
dmsimardphrasing is a bit awkward but meh19:42
sfbenderJakub Ružička proposed rdopkg master: refactor: unify patch and update-patches  https://softwarefactory-project.io/r/1045219:42
dmsimard"We typically host two test days the week after a milestone has been reached. This means we are looking at scheduling them during the week of December 11th."19:43
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dmsimardupdated with ^19:44
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dmsimardrbowen: there was a conflict for https://github.com/redhat-openstack/website/pull/112020:00
dmsimard?20:00
dmsimardMay have been a bad rebase from my part, I can clean that up if you want20:00
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rdogerritAlan Pevec proposed rdoinfo master: pin tempest to 17.2.0 for Pike  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1073220:33
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sc`the not-dead chef cookbooks project is still not-dead, and ci builds are more frequently green than not20:53
sc`i'm tempted to make the centos job voting again20:54
rdogerritPradeep Kilambi proposed openstack/gnocchi-distgit rpm-master: Rename openstack-gnocchi to gnocchi  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1073620:57
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dmsimardsc`: \o/21:17
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dmsimardbeing not dead is quite convenient21:17
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sc`dmsimard: quite so. i had to pull off an update of chef itself, from 12 to 13, to get things back closer to reality21:18
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rdogerritUser ntpttr proposed openstack/rsdclient-distgit rpm-master: Initial import of spec file  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/1062023:40
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