Tuesday, 2013-09-10

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openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Floating ip assignement support  https://review.openstack.org/4482208:03
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openstackgerritSergey Galkin proposed a change to stackforge/python-savannaclient: Added converting project name to project id  https://review.openstack.org/4582708:26
openstackgerritSergey Galkin proposed a change to stackforge/python-savannaclient: Added converting project name to project id  https://review.openstack.org/4582708:31
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openstackgerritIvan Berezovskiy proposed a change to stackforge/savanna-extra: Move elements to new repo savanna-image-elements  https://review.openstack.org/4466509:08
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openstackgerritSergey Galkin proposed a change to stackforge/python-savannaclient: Added converting project name to project id  https://review.openstack.org/4582709:29
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openstackgerritIvan Berezovskiy proposed a change to stackforge/savanna-extra: Change name of cloning repository  https://review.openstack.org/4583509:50
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openstackgerritSergey Galkin proposed a change to stackforge/python-savannaclient: Added converting project name to project id  https://review.openstack.org/4582710:08
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openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Floating ip assignement support  https://review.openstack.org/4482210:39
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/savanna-extra: Move elements to new repo savanna-image-elements  https://review.openstack.org/4466510:53
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openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Floating ip assignement support  https://review.openstack.org/4482211:19
mattfNikitaKonovalov, ping re scaling failure leaves cluster Active11:30
mattfit makes sense that a failed scaling attempt does not invalidate the cluster itself. however, what error message do you get when the scaling fails?11:31
mattfhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna/+bug/122064211:31
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openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Floating ip assignement support  https://review.openstack.org/4482211:54
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SergeyLukjanovhi folks12:04
SergeyLukjanovare there any ideas for Program name for Savanna?12:05
SergeyLukjanovsmth like OpenStack Networking or OpenStack Compute12:05
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SergeyLukjanovinitial idea is OpenStack MapReduce, but sounds like just MR provisioning w/o HDFS and EDP12:06
NikitaKonovalovmattf, I was getting an exception during ip initialization12:07
NikitaKonovalovinstance did not get a floating ip, and so it went into Error state12:10
NikitaKonovalovI have no stack trace of an exact error, but Cluster left the instance in Error wihout rollback12:11
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mattfSergeyLukjanov, i agree MapReduce is too narrow12:15
SergeyLukjanovyep...12:16
mattfNikitaKonovalov, if there was no way to see the error by looking at the cluster, then there's a UX issue, even if it's expected behavior that the cluster remain Active.12:16
SergeyLukjanovBigData is too broad :)12:16
SergeyLukjanovtrying to binary search the correct name...12:17
mattfNikitaKonovalov, if you perform an action on a cluster and it fails you should get information at the cluster level, not have to drill into the general instance list12:17
mattfSergeyLukjanov, lol12:17
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mattfHadoop maybe not too general, maybe not too specific, maybe TM encumbered?12:18
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SergeyLukjanovmattf, yes, we'll need to write OpenStack (™) Apache Hadoop (™)12:19
SergeyLukjanov:)12:19
* mattf doesn't even know how to type ™12:19
SergeyLukjanovEDP look like the main goal of the project together with actual computation cluster provisioning12:21
dmitrymehow about "OpenStack Data Processing"?12:21
SergeyLukjanovData Processing sounds not too narrow12:21
SergeyLukjanovit doesn't cover the fact that now Savanna is a Hadoop-oriented service12:22
mattfheh, data processing sounds too board to me12:22
mattfmany people do data processing without hadoop12:22
SergeyLukjanovyep, agreed12:22
mattfOpenStack Poodah12:23
SergeyLukjanovOpenStack AHCPEDP12:23
SergeyLukjanov))))12:23
mattfi would like to make OpenStack Hadoop work12:24
SergeyLukjanovlooks like now Savanna provides only Hadoop-related tools12:25
mattfit's not clear to me that savanna shouldn't only even provide Hadoop-related tools12:26
mattfOpenStack Elephant [Stack]?12:26
SergeyLukjanov:)12:26
dmitryme:-)12:26
SergeyLukjanovOpenStack Savanna is a program for OpenStack Elephant and OpenStack Giraffe projects :)12:27
mattfwhat's the transliteration of elephant in russian?12:27
SergeyLukjanovслон12:27
SergeyLukjanovslon12:27
SergeyLukjanovhttp://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/12:28
mattfyeah, complicated enough i'd want to ask legal12:29
openstackgerritSergey Galkin proposed a change to stackforge/python-savannaclient: Added converting project name to project id  https://review.openstack.org/4582712:30
mattfSergeyLukjanov, by going OpenStack Savanna we could effectively ensure the S release is not called Savanna12:31
SergeyLukjanovmattf, yep, it's very good12:32
mattfSergeyLukjanov, know how many other program names == project name?12:33
mattfdarn, i was hoping galkin would add checks for other params too, such as savanna_url12:34
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SergeyLukjanovmattf, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Programs12:37
SergeyLukjanovonly devstack :)12:38
mattfit's kinda nice for communication to have program == project. however, it complicates the ability to have someone implement their own OpenStack Savanna w/ their own custom project12:38
SergeyLukjanov:)12:38
SergeyLukjanovPrograms aimes to group some projects12:39
SergeyLukjanovbut I can't imagine any other project that could be added to our program12:39
SergeyLukjanovmattf, I think that there is no need to check that strings passed to the client12:41
mattfSergeyLukjanov, i just want input validation12:42
mattfSergeyLukjanov, and good response code/exceptions12:42
mattfre other projects added to our program, i guess we need a mission statement to scope the program to be sure12:43
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SergeyLukjanovyep, maybe it'll be ok to make a broader program and Savanna will cover Hadoop-related part and potentially some other projects will cover the rest12:45
mattfnew topic - the floating ip review - it should be trivial to run jenkin's integration tests from a dev workspace. is there some quirk of the testing right now that's resulting in the easiest way to run the test being to submit a review?12:46
mattfSergeyLukjanov, re missing, i'm a bit conflicted. i've some ideas for a broader program which would potentially have to be a parallel program12:47
SergeyLukjanovre integration tests - https://github.com/stackforge/savanna/tree/master/savanna/tests/integration12:48
mattfgiven the decision to be hadoop (obvious) and to integrate plugins w/ ambari and now cdh (natural), we may not be able to extend beyond the common subset of features offered by hdp & cdh12:48
SergeyLukjanovmattf, we're already adding Oozie, Hive support12:49
mattfsay we wanted to add Solr - CDH supports and Ambari does not -> what does Savanna do?12:49
mattfseems to be savanna either says no SOlr unless all plugins can support it, or savanna allows for a non-uniform plugin feature space12:50
SergeyLukjanovre OpenStack Data Processing12:51
dmitrymeI am for non-uniform plugin features12:51
SergeyLukjanovTwitter Storm could be easily integrated to Savanna as plugin too12:51
SergeyLukjanovbtw it could be used on YARN12:51
dmitrymeotherwise vendors will not be able to provide advantages of their products12:51
mattfSergeyLukjanov, funny, i almost used storm as an example, but no plugins support it12:51
mattfdmitryme, that's an interesting point12:52
SergeyLukjanovmattf, I mean that it's not hard to support Storm in Savanna12:52
mattfthis topic is already coming up in the topology review12:52
dmitrymemattf: actually that thought was expressed by Hortonworks folks previously, I believe12:53
tmckay1comments from the peanut gallery, I would think non-uniform plugins would be acceptable.  We ought to be able to have feature availability based on the plugin.12:54
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openstackgerritSergey Galkin proposed a change to stackforge/python-savannaclient: Added converting project name to project id  https://review.openstack.org/4582712:55
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mattfOpenStack Computation Service12:57
SergeyLukjanovw/o Service12:57
SergeyLukjanovjust OpenStack Computation12:57
mattfi think that's too close to Compute12:57
SergeyLukjanovbut it sounds like OpenStack Compute (Nova) :(12:57
mattfi add Service to differentiate the infrastructure (Compute, Identity, Dashboard) from the Service we layer on top12:58
mattfit's kinda a bummer that Image Service isn't just Image12:59
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SergeyLukjanovComputation Service == Data Processing (for me)12:59
mattfComputation Service is peer to Database Service and Message Service12:59
mattfComputation Service is peer to Database Service and Queue Service12:59
SergeyLukjanovsounds interesting13:00
mattf^^ little bit of my feelings about Message / Queue naming snuck through13:00
mattfmaybe Processing Service since *Compute* is kinda already taken13:02
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mattfthe Data part of Data Processing could be viewed as redundant13:02
dmitrymeIMHO, just "Processing Service" is way to far from Hadoop and BigData13:03
mattfwe need a crisp mission statement that bounds our scope before we can really do this naming dance13:06
mattfSergeyLukjanov, TC going to let us in w/ a TBD program name and TBD mission statement?13:06
openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Floating ip assignement support  https://review.openstack.org/4482213:07
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openstackgerritSergey Galkin proposed a change to stackforge/python-savannaclient: Added converting project name to project id  https://review.openstack.org/4582713:13
aignatovhow  would look name OpenStack Mapreduce Service?13:15
SergeyLukjanovaignatov, it's too narrow, we already discussed it13:17
dmitrymeaignatov: that name was already proposed. The cons is that "MapReduce" is too narrow for Savanna13:17
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SergeyLukjanovmattf, it's ok for today, but I think that we should provide them to the next meeting if it'll be the final discussions13:18
openstackgerritYaroslav Lobankov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Integration test refactoring  https://review.openstack.org/4392513:18
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SergeyLukjanovfor example, for marconi TC votes for adding Program13:18
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mattfProgram: OpenStack Data Processing13:41
mattfMission: To provide the OpenStack community with an open, cutting edge, performant and scalable data processing stack and associated management interfaces.13:41
mattfSergeyLukjanov, dmitrymo, tmckay, aignatov, ErikB1 ^^ ?13:42
aignatovthat's mission looks good for me)13:45
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mattfi guess erik didn't like it13:46
openstackgerritTrevor McKay proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Add "mains" and "libs" fields to JobOrigins  https://review.openstack.org/4512913:52
tmckaymattf, nice.  I especially like performant.13:53
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SergeyLukjanovmattf, nice for me too14:06
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openstackgerritNikita Konovalov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Floating ip assignement support  https://review.openstack.org/4482214:23
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openstackgerritDmitry Mescheryakov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Wrapping ssh calls into subprocesses  https://review.openstack.org/4571615:13
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/savanna: Sync oslo with os/oslo-incubator  https://review.openstack.org/4573915:25
openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/savanna: Sync requirements with os/requirements  https://review.openstack.org/4573415:25
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openstackgerritDmitry Mescheryakov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Wrapping ssh calls into subprocesses  https://review.openstack.org/4571615:40
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openstackgerritYaroslav Lobankov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Integration test refactoring  https://review.openstack.org/4392516:36
openstackgerritYaroslav Lobankov proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Integration test refactoring  https://review.openstack.org/4392516:38
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nprivalovacrobertsrh, hi!16:47
crobertsrhhi16:47
nprivalovaI've sent an email with new mockups16:48
nprivalovaplease take a look16:48
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crobertsrhWill do, thanks16:51
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crobertsrhtmckay:  what would a valid url for a fake job binary look like?18:19
tmckaycrobertsrh, well, you have a choice.  Internal is savanna-db://1234518:20
crobertsrhI have that one covered18:20
tmckayYou can even upload a file for that, and get a real id18:20
crobertsrhYep, been there18:20
tmckayThen there is swift urls...18:20
tmckayI think Nadya has an "internal" and "External" version... let me look for it.18:21
tmckayIt spells it out in the validation code18:21
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crobertsrhin check_job_binary, all I see is that it checks for swift-internal, if that's the case, it requires a username/password18:22
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crobertsrhMaybe I'm looking in the wrong place18:22
tmckayno, I think that's it18:23
tmckayso I think swift external "swift://"18:23
crobertsrhOk18:23
tmckayoh, grep for valid_job_location18:23
tmckayshe added a JSON validator18:23
crobertsrhah18:23
crobertsrhthat will be what I want to look at.  Thanks18:24
tmckaysavanna/utils/api_validator.py18:24
crobertsrhgot it18:24
crobertsrhthanks18:24
tmckaynp18:24
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nadyacrobertsrh, ping18:29
crobertsrhhello nadya18:30
tmckaynadya, hi. fyi, working on bug 1217983 to fix up (some) exceptions and the corresponding tests.18:30
tmckaynadya, if there is something on your whiteboard that needs attention. let me know :)18:31
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nadyaI wanted to discuss this. tmckay, did you see new mockup-drafts?18:32
tmckayno, haven't yet18:33
tmckayin openstack-dev mailing list?18:33
nadyayes18:33
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tmckaynadya, okay, I'm there on the wiki page18:34
nadyacrobertsrh, we'd like to help you with UI, because it looks like there is a lot of work there.What do you think about this?18:35
crobertsrhI love help18:35
nadya:)18:35
crobertsrhI almost have basic functionality there...I should have another review ready in a day or so.18:36
crobertsrhThere are a lot of places for refinement of the controls though18:36
crobertsrhand other details, like help text and such that I haven't even touched yet.18:36
nadyamaybe we may split blueprint to several pieces to work together?18:37
crobertsrhI think your UI whiteboard pics are quite good.  The flow makes sense to me for the most part (I need to look closer).  For the most part, I think that we should be able to take my basic functionality and enhance from there.18:38
nadyasounds reasonable18:38
crobertsrhAbsolutely, we can split the blueprint.  Ideally, I can get my current iteration finished up very soon and we can build from there.18:39
crobertsrhI should be able to at least post a draft review by tomorrow.  I'll include you on it so you can see where I'm at.18:40
nadyaok, let's move in this direction. It would be perfect to start from tomorrow because there is only one Horizon-expert in our team :) So we need to gain some expertize in it18:42
crobertsrhOk, that works for me.  I'm far from an expert at this point, but I'll gladly help out however I can.18:43
nadyatmckay, a few words about the plans18:44
tmckaylistening18:45
nadyatmckay, we need to extract some "plugins" in our code. There are 3 area: job-binaries, job-manager and data-sources18:47
tmckayokay18:48
tmckayis there a plugin framework or document that outlines what these things should be?  (I know for instance the JobOrigin blueprint mentions plugins to retrieve code)18:49
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tmckaywhat functions do we want to be pluggable?18:49
nadya E.g. in job-manager there are 3 "if": if 'Pig' then bla-bla-bla and so on18:49
nadyano, it's not documented yet. it's a new idea:)18:50
tmckayI see ifs in build_wiorkflow_for_job18:51
nadyayes, I tried to create smth like "pluggable structure" for JobOrigin18:52
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nadyait's "job-binary" area in my terminology above18:52
tmckaynadya, okay.  so we want to use the existing plugin structure around general/hdp/vanilla, and make something similar to abstract away hardcoded references to job type.  yes?18:54
nadyayes, but it is not around hdp/vanilla. It would our own, EDP abstructions18:56
tmckayright, I meant using the general plugin structure as a model18:57
tmckaywe need some simple mapping from job_type to plugin, I imagine18:57
tmckayI haven't really looked too closely at how the existing plugins work18:57
tmckaysounds fun though18:58
nadyaexisting plugins are for cluster creation, we will work it diferent direction18:58
nadyamaybe 'plugin' is confusing word18:59
nadyaI just meant that we need to refactor 'job-manager' to abstract from type of the job19:00
tmckaysuper class, then?19:00
tmckaygotcha19:00
nadyaso it's a first direction. the second one is a question about configs19:02
nadyalet me find the CR19:02
nadyahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/45419/19:03
nadyathere should be a way to give user a hint about job-config19:04
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tmckayyes, I looked at this CR earlier19:04
nadyaat least about the names19:05
nadyaso xmls in this CR is not accurate. It is needed to investigate what configs user may be allowed to change19:06
tmckayokay19:07
nadyaso it's the second direction. And the third is UI19:07
tmckaynadya, how do you want to split these up?  I can work on job-manager abstraction, or the config issue.19:08
tmckayI could work on UI too I suppose but I am better "under the hood" so to speak19:08
tmckay:)19:08
nadyaI think job-manager is ok. After this job-origin abstraction may be continued19:10
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nadyaI'll try to help Chad with UI :) And may start data-source abstraction19:11
nadyaby the way, I think during UI creation we will find some REST calls to be provided19:13
tmckayyes, that's likely.19:14
tmckayI can look at the config CR19:14
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nadyaso configs or job-manager :)?19:16
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tmckaynadya, oh!  When you said "I think job-manager is ok" I thought you meant that it could wait til later.  Sure, I can work on a job-manager abstraction19:20
nadyatmckay, deal :)19:24
tmckayI'll finish up what I'm doing with exceptions today, and submit a review.  Then start on job-manager19:25
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SergeyLukjanovTechnical Committee meeting with agenda to start discussions around Savanna incubation request will be in #openstack-meeting channel in ten minutes19:51
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asavumattf on what channel is the TC meeting taking place?19:59
openstackgerritTrevor McKay proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Partial resolution to bug 121783  https://review.openstack.org/4594019:59
mattfasavu, #openstack-meeting19:59
mattfright now19:59
asavumattf thanks!19:59
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mattfSergeyLukjanov, nice job handling that20:51
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tmckaynote to self, read about trove, heat, and ironic20:52
mattfimho, savanna should evolve w/ heat / trove. savanna's progress should not be gated by them.20:54
tmckayagreed.20:55
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mattfit should be a goal to help heat / trove progress, but we still need to develop savanna20:56
SergeyLukjanovyep, absolutely agree20:56
asavu+120:56
ruhewith this amount from pressure from community regarding heat, we need at least to investigate Heat as a deployment engine for savanna20:56
ruheand i personally don't see any intersection between savanna and trove20:57
SergeyLukjanovruhe, agreed20:57
tmckaybut deployment engines are already pluggable, right, so that shouldn't be a problem20:57
tmckayyes, I was confused about the linkage between a datastore system and savanna20:57
tmckayseems like apples and oranges to me20:57
tmckaysure, savanna uses data, and writes data.... but...20:58
mattfruhe, +120:58
mattfi've not seen how trove handles scale-out data sources20:59
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tmckaylooks like the meeting is over.. time to walk the dog21:00
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rnirmalyeah that's where it's not too clear... not sure if it would best fit in trove either21:18
rnirmalbut the scope of trove got expanded during incubation21:18
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openstackgerritTrevor McKay proposed a change to stackforge/savanna: Partial resolution to bug 121783  https://review.openstack.org/4594021:52
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