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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/senlin-dashboard: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/340750 | 07:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Yanyan Hu proposed openstack/senlin: Fix delete API of profile/policy/receiver resources https://review.openstack.org/340781 | 08:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Yanyan Hu proposed openstack/senlin: Fix delete API of profile/policy/receiver resources https://review.openstack.org/340781 | 09:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ronald Bradford proposed openstack/senlin: Cleanup i18n marker functions to match Oslo docs https://review.openstack.org/340534 | 12:37 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, Qiming, online? | 12:58 |
| yanyanhu | my network at home is really unstable | 12:59 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, guys, will start meeting in a minute | 13:01 |
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| lixinhui_ | elynn is both core of senlin and heat, I am still thinking if we can share something about different user exprience | 14:01 |
| lixinhui_ | about the two auto-scaling | 14:01 |
| yanyanhu | we can have a try anyway :) | 14:01 |
| Qiming | hi | 14:02 |
| yanyanhu | if user really want to listen, just make a good presentation for them | 14:02 |
| Qiming | lixinhui, still online? | 14:02 |
| elynn | lixinhui_, I think that is part of that topic. | 14:02 |
| lixinhui_ | yes | 14:02 |
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| lixinhui_ | great elynn, I will sent vmware se to listen that topic | 14:03 |
| lixinhui_ | Qiming | 14:03 |
| yanyanhu | if so, maybe we can move Qiming's name from topic 3 to topic 4 and add a colleague of xinhui to topic3 who is working on autoscaling? | 14:03 |
| lixinhui_ | I think your participation to cluster-do is very important | 14:03 |
| elynn | None of them are perfect, but they both have what they are good at. lixinhui_ | 14:03 |
| Qiming | we should really be careful about the comparison topic | 14:04 |
| Qiming | it will be unfair anyway | 14:04 |
| elynn | Qiming, you mean? | 14:04 |
| Qiming | we are comparing some heat resource types to senlin, which is a service | 14:04 |
| Qiming | we cannot say that the related resource types (resource group, autoscalinggroup ...) are to be replaced by senlin resources in heat | 14:06 |
| Qiming | because that will never happen, heat will never deprecate their resource types | 14:06 |
| Qiming | if there are bugs to fix, heat team will do them anyway | 14:07 |
| yanyanhu | maybe just teach user more about senlin cluster to help them better understand it? especially about some advanced feature like standby nodes? | 14:07 |
| Qiming | senlin, on the other hand, is a SERVICE for managing resource pools (clusters) | 14:08 |
| elynn | yes, I'm aware of that, in this topic ,I won't suggest users to migrate their templates | 14:08 |
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| Qiming | the best thing we can do in this talk is to try to persuade users to use senlin for resource pool management | 14:09 |
| Qiming | it is a pure promotion of senlin itself | 14:09 |
| elynn | Just show some cases that senlin can do better if they really need that feature, like scale to standby nodes | 14:09 |
| Qiming | and if we are doing such a promotion, we can talk about some useful use cases | 14:09 |
| Qiming | there is no need to compare to heat | 14:10 |
| Qiming | or heat resource type | 14:10 |
| Qiming | that comparison seems pointless to me | 14:10 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, guys, I will leave, elynn, will talk with you and Qiming tomorrow morning to think more about topic3 | 14:12 |
| Qiming | bye, yanyanhu | 14:12 |
| zzxwill_ | Bye. | 14:12 |
| yanyanhu | bye, take good care of you baby :) | 14:12 |
| yanyanhu | have a good night | 14:12 |
| elynn | okay, so you would like to talk it in pure senlin topic... that indeed make sense... | 14:12 |
| elynn | bye yanyanhu | 14:13 |
| lixinhui_ | bye yanyanhu | 14:13 |
| Qiming | elynn, how much time do we have to revise it? | 14:13 |
| Qiming | or ... we can leave the proposal as is ... | 14:14 |
| elynn | 13 is the deadline | 14:14 |
| elynn | We can have a discussion tomorrow and see if we still need this one. | 14:14 |
| Qiming | just improve the wording of the final presentation | 14:14 |
| lixinhui_ | I think we need, elynn. Just move Qiming out. | 14:15 |
| Qiming | please think about it from the audience's perspective | 14:15 |
| lixinhui_ | to stand for different topics | 14:15 |
| Qiming | what are the take aways for them? | 14:15 |
| elynn | Qiming, you are right, the wording are incline to senlin too much. But for my poor English... Not sure I can express my point correctly in it. I will try to revise it. | 14:16 |
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| Qiming | okay, heat is not good at this and that, ... so we are expecting them to rework their templates to use senlin? | 14:17 |
| Qiming | the chance for an existing user to migrate their template is pretty small | 14:17 |
| Qiming | so ... the target users for us will be new users | 14:18 |
| elynn | Or the users needed more features? | 14:18 |
| Qiming | for them, a comparison is not that interesting either, they would prefer to spend time learn what senlin can do and what it cannot do | 14:19 |
| Qiming | yep | 14:19 |
| Qiming | what are the use cases? what problems are you solving for the users? how are you solving them? | 14:20 |
| elynn | So you mean we totally don't mention heat ASG in this topic? | 14:21 |
| Qiming | it will be a great topic if we think from a user's perspective rather from the viewpoint of a person who knows both heat and senlin very well, :) | 14:21 |
| Qiming | if you are talk about autoscaling use case, you may and may not need such a comparison | 14:21 |
| Qiming | if you are talking about other use cases, maybe you don't need to mention heat at all | 14:22 |
| elynn | Since now I only think of one user cases, scaling to standby nodes. But only this one doesn't now worth a presentation. | 14:22 |
| elynn | And it's easy to implement in senlin, at least I can finish it before summit. | 14:22 |
| Qiming | even if you want to mention it, you will most likely tell users: if you want to use senlin service from Heat, you can do it now, because senlin resource types are there | 14:22 |
| elynn | For other cases, you already have other topic to discuss it. | 14:23 |
| Qiming | so the key message you want to deliver is 'rapid scaling'? | 14:24 |
| Qiming | if you want to enrich your talking points ... how about generalizing it to "advanced autoscaing"? | 14:25 |
| elynn | That is the use case that I can deliver in this topic, the rest of the time I can show the users how would they experience when they use heat ASG and senlin cluster | 14:26 |
| lixinhui_ | Qiming, elynn | 14:26 |
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| lixinhui_ | I think revision to high level topic is hard | 14:26 |
| Qiming | we never talked about cross-region scaling, cross-az scaling, we never talked about the specifics of deletion policy | 14:26 |
| lixinhui_ | in such short time | 14:26 |
| Qiming | then you can highlight one or two of the features you won't have from other services | 14:27 |
| lixinhui_ | how difficult to leave it now status | 14:27 |
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| lixinhui_ | then tune the content based on the whole status of discussion | 14:28 |
| Qiming | don't get your points, lixinhui_ | 14:29 |
| Qiming | but I have to leave | 14:29 |
| Qiming | elynn, please think about ti | 14:29 |
| elynn | Can I have a phone call with you guys tomorrow? I want to hear your opinions and see how to revise this topic | 14:29 |
| Qiming | s/ti/it | 14:29 |
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| Qiming | okay | 14:29 |
| lixinhui_ | okay | 14:29 |
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| Qiming | I may have to drive to quite some places tomorrow ... | 14:30 |
| Qiming | pretty busy a day in car ... | 14:30 |
| lixinhui_ | could you change the name now? | 14:30 |
| lixinhui_ | Qiming | 14:30 |
| Qiming | will catch up with you all later | 14:30 |
| elynn | When are you available tomorrow? | 14:30 |
| lixinhui_ | I need keep revising the topic | 14:30 |
| Qiming | the window close at July 14 at 6:59am UTC | 14:31 |
| Qiming | ttyl | 14:31 |
| elynn | Qiming, ttyl | 14:31 |
| lixinhui_ | ttyl, elynn, Qiming | 14:33 |
| elynn | lixinhui_ thanks, I need some guide from you expert, will contact you tomorrow :) | 14:33 |
| elynn | see you all :) | 14:33 |
| lixinhui_ | Sure, anything I can help just let me know :) | 14:34 |
| lixinhui_ | see you | 14:34 |
| zzxwill_ | See you, and thanks. | 14:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joe D'Andrea proposed openstack/senlin: Minor typo fixes and grammar adjustments https://review.openstack.org/341012 | 15:40 |
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