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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/senlin master: Fix doc not to use tempest depreated decorator decorator test.attr has been deprecated in Tempest and not recommended to use. https://review.openstack.org/486807 | 01:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | lidong proposed openstack/senlin-dashboard master: Create policy failed https://review.openstack.org/486808 | 01:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/senlin-dashboard master: Can not create node https://review.openstack.org/486520 | 01:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/senlin master: Update cluster APIs doc https://review.openstack.org/482859 | 01:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/senlin master: Update node API doc https://review.openstack.org/485031 | 02:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/senlin-dashboard master: Add release notes for Pike https://review.openstack.org/486519 | 02:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ethan Lynn proposed openstack/senlin master: Add rich network features to server profile https://review.openstack.org/467108 | 02:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | iswarya vakati proposed openstack/senlin master: Stop using deprecated 'message' attribute in Exception https://review.openstack.org/486572 | 06:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | liyi proposed openstack/senlin master: Refresh user guide https://review.openstack.org/486936 | 08:14 |
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| snecklifter | Hello #senlin | 11:11 |
| snecklifter | Please can we get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480094/ approved? | 11:11 |
| snecklifter | This is blocking RDO packaging and has been waiting review for a few weeks now, thanks. | 11:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-senlinclient master: Fix openstackdocstheme settings https://review.openstack.org/480094 | 13:03 |
| Qiming | hi ruijie | 13:04 |
| ruijie | hi Qiming | 13:04 |
| Qiming | don't know if anyone is joining | 13:04 |
| ruijie | :) | 13:05 |
| chenyb4_ | hi | 13:05 |
| ruijie | I talked with Xuefeng today | 13:05 |
| Qiming | great | 13:05 |
| ruijie | ahout senlin & k8s | 13:05 |
| ruijie | And I heared a lot of topics about it in this Openstack days.. but | 13:06 |
| ruijie | you know, there's not too much em.. deep things about it | 13:07 |
| Qiming | right | 13:07 |
| Qiming | I know zun was presenting | 13:08 |
| Qiming | and there are people presenting integration between openstack and k8s | 13:08 |
| ruijie | yes Qiming, two branches, use k8s(kolla/heum) to deploy openstack and another branch is about openstack-k8s | 13:09 |
| ruijie | sorry helm | 13:09 |
| ruijie | em Qiming, what is the role we want to play in this interaction of senlin & k8s | 13:11 |
| Qiming | ok | 13:11 |
| Qiming | deploy and management of k8s | 13:11 |
| Qiming | integration between container layer and node layer | 13:11 |
| ruijie | manage k8s directly? | 13:11 |
| Qiming | node layer: we can start with VM as nodes | 13:11 |
| Qiming | when we add ironic profile, we will be able to provision k8s on baremetal | 13:12 |
| Qiming | no an alternative for container/pod management | 13:13 |
| Qiming | but a layer that manages the k8s cluster directly | 13:13 |
| ruijie | cool ! I saw the community has some projects like zun, kuryr, magnum ... | 13:13 |
| ruijie | so I thought we will interact with them .. | 13:13 |
| Qiming | no | 13:13 |
| Qiming | we may need kuryr for networking | 13:14 |
| Qiming | and possibly storage | 13:14 |
| Qiming | but magum is completely useless | 13:14 |
| Qiming | they have eventually realized how they are useless | 13:14 |
| Qiming | so they have started to implement their own version of cluster management api | 13:14 |
| ruijie | ... | 13:15 |
| Qiming | back on tokyo summit, we presented a talk about a closer integration | 13:16 |
| Qiming | https://www.slideshare.net/huengo965921/exploring-magnum-and-senlin-integration-for-autoscaling-containers | 13:16 |
| Qiming | however, they don't see us a fundamental service | 13:16 |
| Qiming | magnum was very hot back then | 13:16 |
| Qiming | k8s can manage containers well, using its many abstractions | 13:17 |
| ruijie | tbh, as a user, I'd prefer to use the original k8s to manage the apps.. | 13:17 |
| Qiming | but there is no such thing as a management layer for its nodes | 13:17 |
| ruijie | yes Qiming | 13:17 |
| Qiming | for example | 13:18 |
| Qiming | when your workload is heavy | 13:18 |
| Qiming | you want k8s to auto-scale your deployment/replicaset ... | 13:18 |
| Qiming | however, if you are running short of nodes, there is nothing you can do | 13:19 |
| ruijie | yes, there's need for managing the resource layer | 13:20 |
| Qiming | today, there is solution for AWS: https://github.com/openai/kubernetes-ec2-autoscaler | 13:20 |
| Qiming | native support on google cloud: https://cloud.google.com/container-engine/docs/cluster-autoscaler | 13:21 |
| Qiming | not anywhere else | 13:21 |
| ruijie | we have the room to extend it :) | 13:23 |
| Qiming | see this: https://kubernetes.io/docs/tasks/administer-cluster/cluster-management/#cluster-autoscaling | 13:23 |
| Qiming | it is only for GCE/GKE | 13:23 |
| Qiming | it is not just for autoscaling | 13:24 |
| Qiming | there are other issues such as LoadBalancer type of service | 13:25 |
| Qiming | integration with openstack router for routing ... | 13:25 |
| ruijie | yes Qiming, as I can see in out environment, the creation, adoption, cross region are all need, actually | 13:25 |
| ruijie | out/our | 13:26 |
| Qiming | if we don't know the use case of a technology, we'd better don't do it | 13:26 |
| Qiming | for example, this is not doable on openstack today I think: https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/services-networking/service/#type-loadbalancer | 13:28 |
| Qiming | that is why people are deploying ingress controller separately ... | 13:29 |
| Qiming | in an ideal case, users don't have to know all about this | 13:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/senlin master: Refresh user guide https://review.openstack.org/486936 | 13:33 |
| ruijie | em, Qiming, I didt get the point yet, the type-loadbalancer is a service in k8s? | 13:33 |
| Qiming | it is a flavor of Service in k8s | 13:34 |
| Qiming | basically, it relies on a load-balancer from the cloud environment on which k8s is running | 13:34 |
| ruijie | em, I thought the pods are load-balanced by serviceIP or something though k-proxy ... | 13:38 |
| ruijie | need spend more time on k8s :) .. | 13:38 |
| chenyb4_ | Hi, Qiming. About the profile support backup,then cinder support snapshot or backup, How do I choose ？ | 13:51 |
| Qiming | what's your opinion? | 13:52 |
| Qiming | senlin profile doesn't have a backup method, right? | 13:52 |
| Qiming | we are trying to provide a snapshot function however | 13:53 |
| chenyb4_ | I see heat the first choose snapshot, but the lastest use backup | 13:53 |
| chenyb4_ | heat project | 13:54 |
| chenyb4_ | snapshot function must driver support | 13:54 |
| chenyb4_ | I want to use cinder backup, if the node backup make a backup of the volume, the python-openstacksdk don't support block_store backup or restore | 13:58 |
| chenyb4_ | s/cinder/block store | 13:59 |
| Qiming | I see, so there are a lot preparation needed | 14:03 |
| chenyb4_ | yes, I will submit it first python-openstacksdk backup or restore after submit senlin profile snapshot support | 14:05 |
| Qiming | sounds a good plan | 14:08 |
| snecklifter | Qiming: thank you for merging https://review.openstack.org/480094 | 15:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-senlinclient master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/486402 | 15:44 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/senlin master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/486404 | 15:45 |
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