Monday, 2017-01-09

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zara_the_lemur__evening, storyboard!20:17
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openstackgerritZara proposed openstack-infra/storyboard: Remove contentless operator manual  https://review.openstack.org/41812221:32
zara_the_lemur__bit controversial21:33
SotK:O :O :O21:37
SotKreally my only concern is that we may end up forgetting to ever add it back21:37
zara_the_lemur__yeah, that's the original reason I left it up for so long, though21:37
zara_the_lemur__and I still haven't got round to fixing it21:37
zara_the_lemur__I'm unlikely to forget that it requires a lot of manual steps to set up atm21:37
zara_the_lemur__maybe removing the guide will be the necessary motivation for trying out the ansible role again...21:38
persiaMy understanding was that all operators either used the ansible role or the puppet-storyboard magic: maybe the key to the operators guide is that one shouldn't do it manually?21:42
SotKthat matches my understanding21:43
SotKthough I think the intention for the guide is "how to do the puppet/ansible magic yourself" rather than manual instructions21:44
SotKperhaps just "there is puppet here and ansible here" would suffice21:44
persiaAha, that makes sense.  In that case, it probably needs to be written by someone who does it that way :)21:44
zara_the_lemur__yeah, I tried to do the magic a while back, and was missing some context, because I couldn't get either to work.21:45
persia:(21:45
zara_the_lemur__plan was to put instructions in once I'd done it21:45
zara_the_lemur__then, yeahhh21:45
zara_the_lemur__I should've linked https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200053521:46
SotKI made the puppet magic work using the scripts in system-config one time iirc21:46
SotKthough I'd rather provide less openstack-specific instructions I think21:46
persiaI suspect the easiest way to get it to work is to walk through it with an operator, because they can probably help explain when things go wrong.21:46
persiaSotK: Wouldn't that require duplicating a reasonable chunk of system-config?  In my mind, if someone wants to set up Storyboard with puppet, they might want to borrow other puppet stuff from OpenStack, but maybe I'm not thinking clearly.21:48
SotKpersia: I think using system-config is probably the best way, but they'd want to remove the bits where it does things like create unix users for the infra team21:52
persiaAh, so something that wrapped system-config, and only used parts of it?21:52
persiaOr instructions to override certain bits?21:53
SotKit'd probably be possible to write a manifest that excluded certain bits, but I didn't look into it at all21:54
SotKin fact looking now I *think* it would be fairly easy21:55
persiaIndeed.  Looking at puppet docs, it seems fairly trivial to override things like that.21:55
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