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| dmsimard | Is there a plan to add friendlier URLs ? Say, https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/ara instead of https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/843 | 14:14 |
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| SotK | there is a desire from multiple places for such a feature, and I've given it some vague thought | 14:14 |
| SotK | but not started actually working on it | 14:15 |
| SotK | it'd be easier if we could ban / from project names | 14:15 |
| dmsimard | hm, but it's sort of an implicit namespace, yes ? | 14:15 |
| dmsimard | but I can see how that could be a problem in URL routing | 14:16 |
| SotK | yeah, the routing complication is the main issue | 14:16 |
| * SotK will give it further thought later, because I like the namespace aspect of it | 14:16 | |
| dmsimard | Is it possible to "suscribe" to a project right now ? Get email notifications for new stories/activity on comments/etc ? | 14:30 |
| SotK | yeah, just click the star on the project detail page | 14:31 |
| SotK | next to the project name | 14:31 |
| SotK | and make sure you have email notifications enabled in your preferences | 14:32 |
| SotK | (project detail page being something like https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/843) | 14:33 |
| dmsimard | yikes | 14:35 |
| dmsimard | okay | 14:35 |
| dmsimard | not obvious that the star will do that | 14:35 |
| dmsimard | Perhaps a "subscribe" button (that transitions to unsubscribe if you're subscribed) would be more straightforward in terms of UX | 14:36 |
| dmsimard | Oh, there is a "subscribe" alt text on the star | 14:36 |
| dmsimard | Heh. | 14:36 |
| dmsimard | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 14:36 |
| * SotK is wary of ending up with many words all over the place and it getting hard to spot useful content at a glance | 14:42 | |
| SotK | I also have no better ideas than a star or a word | 14:42 |
| Zara | :) yeah, in general we're cautious about using text for too many buttons (except for as alt text/tooltips) for that reason, and you can get 'the gerrit effect', though if a lot of people find it confusing then that shouldn't stop us from changing it | 14:43 |
| Zara | I don't know what proportion of users find it either confusing to begin with, or difficult to remember, so that would be interesting to look into. | 14:44 |
| dmsimard | UX is hard yo | 15:33 |
| dmsimard | by the way, for the lack of something better existing | 15:40 |
| dmsimard | we discussed a while back about how it was a bit intimidating for non-openstack folks to use storyboard | 15:40 |
| dmsimard | I drafted a small how-to http://docs-draft.openstack.org/45/448645/1/check/gate-ara-docs-ubuntu-xenial/e2390e6//doc/build/html/contributing.html#set-up-your-ubuntu-launchpad-account | 15:41 |
| Zara | ooh, niiiice | 15:41 |
| dmsimard | I tried to find user-facing documentation for storyboard but didn't find any | 15:42 |
| dmsimard | there's lots of storyboard developer (as in, developing storyboard itself) docs though :) | 15:42 |
| SotK | oh that is wonderful | 15:42 |
| Zara | yeah, we've held off doing things as official docs because until recently we were shuffling things in the interface around frequently | 15:42 |
| Zara | to the point where docs got outdated fast and were more harm than help | 15:42 |
| Zara | + the questions people asked were different each time | 15:43 |
| dmsimard | FWIW I meant to get in touch with jd_ (PTL of Telemetry) who says he's essentially moving Gnocchi out of the OpenStack ecosystem because it makes external contribution harder | 15:44 |
| dmsimard | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114300.html | 15:45 |
| Zara | (the questions we did get tended to be more on the side of 'how do I script for this?' than 'how do I submit a story?', probably because of the mix of users we had.) | 15:45 |
| Zara | what do they specifically find 'harder'? | 15:48 |
| dmsimard | The same thing I mentioned, it's challenging to get contributions from people not involved with OpenStack | 15:50 |
| Zara | I'm wondering why, though? | 15:50 |
| Zara | I'm assuming it's not technical since our interns didn't struggle | 15:51 |
| dmsimard | Signing up for launchpad, openstackid, setting up CLA, learning git-review/gerrit/launchpad bug tracker/storyboard | 15:51 |
| dmsimard | It's a higher barrier to entry than, say, there's the project on github, I click on the issues tab and create something there | 15:51 |
| dmsimard | Or fork the project and then send a pull request | 15:51 |
| dmsimard | You basically weigh the pros and cons of being inside or outside of OpenStack and then decide where you want to host the project | 15:52 |
| Zara | if you're already familiar with github, yeah; I think it's popularity rather than being an easier process intrinsically, but it is more popular. | 15:52 |
| dmsimard | The other extreme, I mean, look at the Ansible github repo: https://github.com/ansible/ansible | 15:52 |
| dmsimard | 1745 issues, 963 pull requests | 15:52 |
| dmsimard | How can you even manage that without losing your mind ? | 15:52 |
| * Zara has no idea | 15:53 | |
| Zara | api-first issue tracking makes automation nice for big things | 15:53 |
| Zara | (also, I'm an odd test-subject in that I was introduced to gerrit and github around the same time (github sliiiightly earlier) and found gerrit much easier to get started with) | 15:55 |
| Zara | which makes me non-representative of the kind of contributor who thinks of git *as* github. | 15:56 |
| mhu | hello, does the storyboard web front implement caching? I've been running some automated modifications and I don't see them appear on the web ui | 16:33 |
| Zara | hm, what sorts of modifications? (we have some caching but most things that update a lot should be updated) | 16:36 |
| Zara | (we don't, however, have realtime updates, so a user would need to refresh their browser to see changes) | 16:36 |
| Zara | (but they generally shouldn't need to delete their cache) | 16:37 |
| mhu | Zara, moving stories and tasks from a worklist to another | 16:44 |
| mhu | Zara, nevermind, it seems to work now, it might have been my fault after all | 16:46 |
| mhu | OTOH, it looks like worklists use archived items for their count value, on the page that lists worklists and boards | 16:47 |
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| Zara | ah, glad it worked :) hm, I thought we'd fixed that, apparently not! | 16:58 |
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| mhu | Zara, oh nevermind, we're using a relatively old version of sb here, we're upgrading soon! | 18:00 |
| Zara | ah, right, well let us know if it's still an issue :) | 18:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (reminder to all that the StoryBoard meeting is in 25 min in #openstack-meeting!) | 18:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | meeting in 5! | 18:55 |
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