Monday, 2013-10-28

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rpodolyakamorning all07:20
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ogelbukhrpodolyaka: hi there07:23
ogelbukhhow is it going? )07:23
rpodolyakafine, just feel a little bit sleepy after switching to GMT+2 yesterday :)07:24
ogelbukhgrab some coffee? )07:31
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rpodolyakaalready did :)07:33
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openstackgerritRadomir Dopieralski proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Refactor the cached api calls into @cached_property
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openstackgerritVictor Sergeyev proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Enable E127 check for line indentation
rpodolyakardopieralski: just one small tweak08:16
openstackgerritRadomir Dopieralski proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Refactor the cached api calls into @cached_property
rdopieralskirpodolyaka: yeah, sorry08:19
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rpodolyakardopieralski: looks good, thanks!08:22
rdopieralskiI'm not sure if we should also ass the apache license headers at the top?08:23
rdopieralskithank you mr Freud08:24
rdopieralskialso, what about the AUTHORS file?08:27
rdopieralskitechnically, I reproduced the notice as required by the license08:27
rpodolyakadon't know, we'd better wait for somebody more experienced with licensing to review this one08:27
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rdopieralskiI could just use the same principle and rewrite the code on my own08:28
rpodolyakaagree, the eference AUTHORS looks a bit strange08:28
rdopieralskiI would make it a function with @property, not a class, anyways08:29
lifelessok, 27 more machines in the cd-undercloud08:31
lifeless38 in total there08:32
lifeless(and we can't use them all until we fix the dhcp range in the neutron subnet08:33
lifelessbut nevertheless08:33
openstackgerritVictor Sergeyev proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Enable E128 check for line indentation
rpodolyaka38 machines, cool! ;)08:46
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lifeless38 apparently; either one isn't registered08:48
lifelessor out by one somewhere :>08:49
lifelesswill reconcile later08:49
lifelessonce we have stateful persistent upgrades I'll kill the old poc entirely08:50
lifelessthat will free up 3 more machines08:50
rpodolyakalifeless: is the issue with dhcp range in the neutron subnet like "we have to increase the range to ensure we have room for all these machines" or there is something else I'm missing?08:50
lifeless| allocation_pools | {"start": "", "end": ""}                 |08:51
lifelessit's small because we had a /64 and most of it was used by the old poc08:52
lifelesswe've added another /64 to the same L2 network, so we can add a subnet using that08:52
lifelessor redefine the current subnet to use the ip addresses no longer needed by the old poc08:53
lifelessonce the old poc won't try to issue them08:53
ogelbukhlifeless: are you on ipv6?08:54
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lifelessogelbukh: me, or the machines we're talking about ?08:55
ogelbukhlifeless: uh08:56
ogelbukhtripleo cloud in openstack infra08:56
lifelessogelbukh: tripleo cloud isn't openstack infra btw; it's tripleo maintained08:56
lifelessogelbukh: I don't think we have ipv6 connectivity, but even if we did - nova baremetal only deploys via ipv4 today.08:57
ogelbukhok, thanks08:57
ogelbukhthat was my understanding too08:57
ogelbukhjust got confused by /64 prefix mentioned08:58
lifelessogelbukh: oh, I meant /12609:00
lifelessogelbukh: '64 addresses'09:00
lifelessogelbukh: BAH. /26. Fin.09:00
lifelessogelbukh: Perhaps I should be asleep.09:00
ogelbukhk, gotcha09:00
lifelessNg: btw this line09:00
lifelessNg: needs MAC verification - iLO Advanced License required for this functionality.09:00
ogelbukhthanks )09:01
lifelessNg: two separate things; A) the mac address on file may be wrong. b) we need an ilo license09:01
Nglifeless: aha, I interpreted that as that we needed an advanced license to be able to introspect the MACs ourselves09:02
lifelessNg: I believe thats how I found out that we need an ilo license09:02
lifelessNg: but if someone were to (say) ipmi netboot the machine and tcpdump the lan to see what tries to dhcp09:02
lifelessNg: then they might figure it out without the ilo license (which we'd still want sorted)09:03
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Nghmm, vsp reports that it's in use by another session09:22
lifelessvictor sierra papa ?09:28
Ngvirtual serial port, a mildly useful fallback if textcons isn't working09:29
lifelessNg: are you using the ilo2 screen session ?09:29
Ngtcpdumping on the bastion's lan interface, ipmi'd the bootflag for pxe, and power cycled. let's see what happens09:29
Nglifeless: I checked in there, the vsp isn't in use there09:30
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Nglifeless: ok, just saw a DHCP packet from a MAC that isn't listed and is conveniently 1 larger than the MACs listed in /system1/network1/Integrated_NICs09:40
Ngsounds like a reasonable candidate for it being that machine's mellanox09:40
lifelessNg: indeed09:41
Ng(-tab.txt updated accordingly)09:41
NgI want to get angry when people close a ticket with "we don't support this, please talk to $OTHERFOLKS", but I'm going to be kind and assume there is some good reason why they don't correctly re-assign the ticket for me :)09:43
lifelessregistered with the undercloud09:43
lifelessNg: ask them how to reassign it in JIRA :)09:43
NgSYS appear to be disowning the freecloud machines entirely09:46
lifelessthey shouldn't have any ops responsibility, AIUI SYS are 'login and do stuff', which isn't what we need.09:47
lifelesswe need open-the-box-and-do-stuff09:47
lifelesswhich may be DCOPS or something?09:47
lifelessanyhow, if you hit a dead end, let me know and I'll hunt down an escalation path09:48
NgI was told to file SYS tickets for things that aren't network related, and NET for those09:48
NgI'm just going to refile all these WONTFIXes with DC and see how that works09:48
Ngsome people say our machines are in a rack 29, others deny the existence of a rack 29 ;)09:49
Nglifeless: don't suppose you happen to know where these machines are, physically, in the world?09:50
lifelessNg: Some casino somewhere.09:50
lifelessNg: (LA)09:51
lifelessNg: sorry, LV09:51
lifelessthe other Los.09:51
NgLV is Las ;)09:51
Ngcrazy languages with genders09:52
GheRiveromorning all09:52
Ng(slowly learning german, which has three genders for words, and stunning weirdness like "boy" being a masculine word, but "girl" being neutral :)09:52
Nghey GheRivero09:52
lifelessNg: das madchen!09:53
lifelesssorry, forgot the caps. :P09:53
Nglifeless: indeed!09:53
lifelessand the ", but meh composing.09:53
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Ngit should be die M├Ądchen!09:54
lifelessaw nuts.09:54
NgI'm pretty sure I will be getting the genders of things wrong until the day I die :)09:54
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lifelessNg: what are you using to learn?09:55
Nglifeless: I started out with some CDs from Michel Thomas, which I really like, but I'm terrible as listening to now I don't have a commute.09:57
Nglifeless: atm I'm experimenting with the Duolingo app09:57
Ngso far I'm quite impressed09:57
lifelessi was doing four languages in duolingo before I got really sick a month back09:58
lifelesshope to get back itno it soon09:58
Ngwowser :)09:58
Ngwhich four?09:58
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NgI'm getting pretty reasonable at listening to german and figuring out what's being said, but I'm still awful at actually conversing in it :/09:59
lifelessfrench, german, spanish , portuguese09:59
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lifelessall romance all the time09:59
lifelessfrench I used to be able to get by in many years ago10:00
lifelessso it's a refresher10:00
lifelessthe rest I have just smatterings10:00
jog0lifeless: thanks for starting that mailmap thread, I found I missed one myself10:01
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lifelessjog0: :>10:05
lifelessjog0: ruhroh, you're awake?10:06
jog0lifeless: its 10AM here10:06
lifelessjog0: oh, still in the  uL>..10:06
lifelessjog0: I also started one on rebuild10:06
jog0yeah flying around the world10:06
jog0lifeless: I saw working my way to that one10:06
lifelessjog0: still not clear to me whether we need to add extra args as extensions or just make the core accept more parameters10:07
jog0lifeless: I haven't dug in  / read the email yet  its next on my list10:08
lifelessI might swing by laptop again before bed, but for now, AFK10:08
jog0lifeless: night10:09
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openstackgerritRadomir Dopieralski proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Use a well-formed MAC address in tests
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openstackgerritRadomir Dopieralski proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Use a well-formed MAC address in tests
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openstackgerritVictor Sergeyev proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Enable E127 check for line indentation
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openstackgerritVictor Sergeyev proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Enable E127 check for line indentation
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openstackgerritRoman Podoliaka proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Fix assigning of a floating IP to a Neutron port
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dkehnorning all13:21
dkehnNg: are you ahnging in there13:25
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Ngdkehn: yeah, we had a storm!13:31
Ngbut it wasn't very stormy ;)13:31
dkehnNg: I listen to the BBC in the evening and they made it sound like Wales might not survive13:33
Ngstormageddon fears were greatly over-done :)13:33
dkehnNg: figures13:35
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openstackgerritRoman Podoliaka proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Allow Neutron to schedule networks lazily
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tuskar-ui: Enable E127 check for line indentation
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tuskar-ui: Enable E128 check for line indentation
openstackgerritRadomir Dopieralski proposed a change to openstack/tuskar-ui: Use a well-formed MAC address in tests
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NobodyCamgood morning TripleO14:53
GheRiveromorning all!15:02
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dkehnGheRivero: morning or good afternoon15:44
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SpamapSgooooood morning tripleO15:45
Nghey SpamapS15:46
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ogelbukhlifeless: hi17:54
Nglifeless: so fwiw, jira tickets can be moved between departments, but they still stay owned by the assignee, so they end up shuffling messages back and forth. I think what the guy actually means is that he would have to file a new ticket with the other department and paste between the two17:54
Ngwhich is bonkers, but there we go17:54
Ngenterprise ;)17:54
lifelessNg: heh17:58
lifelessNg: they can't change the assignee?17:58
lifelessNg: or the initial assignee is special somehow?17:58
Nglifeless: seemingly not17:58
Nglifeless: ah, may be a permissions thing, the current assignee can't delegate the work to a human in a different department17:59
Ngweird that they can't throw it into the other dept's triage queue though17:59
Nganywho, rather than sink into that pit of fun, I just filed a fresh ticket to get the eth3->eth2 move done by DC hangs18:00
lifelessNg: btw I'm not sure eth3->eth2 is the thing to do; it might be a bios flag or something - the other machines don't /see/ 4 ethernet ports in linux18:00
lifelessNg: they see 3 ethernet ports18:01
Nglifeless: huh18:03
lifelessNg: I have an instance deployed on that machine18:03
Nglifeless: so we don't want anything done with it?18:04
lifelessNg: you should be able to log into it ( or via ilo and poke around18:04
lifelessNg: I don't know18:04
lifelessNg: we want it to be the same as the others18:04
lifelessNg: I don't know what the answer to making it the same is18:04
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jog0lifeless: morning18:12
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lifelessjog0: morning!18:18
jog0the sun neber sets on the TripleO empire18:19
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jog0lifeless: I wanted make sure I was clear on why we would consider cinder for tripleo 'volumes'18:20
openstackgerritElizabeth Krumbach Joseph proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Adjust setup-network to support numbered brbms.
jog0for doing rsync based image updates18:20
lifelessjog0: huh, no18:21
lifelessjog0: because cinder is a better place for describing complex block device choices18:21
lifelessjog0: ephemeral is just a single scalar right18:21
lifelessjog0: how would I say I want a raid 1 boot device and jbod for the other drives in the machine18:22
jog0lifeless: can that argument be taken to say, cinder should manage ephemeral volumes instead of nova?18:22
jog0(that is something I think makes sense too)18:22
lifelessjog0: one might make that argument about the root device too18:22
lifelessjog0: I think its an interesting argument, but don't particularly care about it :)18:22
jog0lifeless: ahh ok I think I understand now18:22
lifelessjog0: by which I mean, the goal right now is a short term 'get minimal functionality so we don't block for another 6 months'18:23
jog0lifeless: so to answer why not just go strait to using cinder, is:18:23
lifelessjog0: and do so in a way that we don't regret later18:23
* Ng flips the table at all things ilo and textcons and jira18:23
Ngdinner time18:23
lifelessNg: lol, thank you!18:23
lifelessNg: I'm sorry I don't have a better answer for what we need from the machine with an eth318:24
jog0we think long run ephemeral and even root volume management should be moved to cinder -- but until then we want to use the same component that does ephemeral storage today i.e. nova18:25
lifelessjog0: thats a possible reason18:25
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lifelessjog0: the reason I have is that I believe adding cinder support to nova baremetal to be hard.18:25
lifelessjog0: and we will block all forward tripleo progress until it's landed in trunk. It's critical path.18:26
jog0lifeless: I agree with that but that may also be a tripleo specifc reason that others may not see as such a strong reason18:26
lifelessjog0: and by hard I mean politically.18:26
lifelessjog0: right, so others should evaluate the proposal (rebuild preserving ephemeral) on it's merits.18:26
jog0step one on political would be get jgriffith to join this room18:27
lifelessjog0: and costs; the merits are that this may be useful to folk [it will be useful to us]18:27
lifelessthe costs are that once added it has to be supported for a while - which we can commit to doing18:27
jog0lifeless: right, I think the rebuild model is a really nice idea and has some major non-tripleo applications18:28
lifelessjog0: so I would just focus on that; turning this into a big 'who owns block devices' discussion is rather likely to make the whole discussion more intense18:28
jog0AFAIK we only want it because of the image based deployment requirment and not wanting to turn 'instances' on and off all the time. something others may ahve18:28
lifelessjog0: because it's a big conceptual change18:28
lifelessjog0: we'll still be turning instances on and off with this18:29
lifelessjog0: rebuild is defined as 'power down, rebuild, power on'18:29
jog0lifeless: what about the rsync part?18:29
lifelessjog0: thats the other thing18:29
jog0I guess even without it its a major change that is useful18:29
lifelessjog0: the rsync story is in the next MVP after this18:30
lifelessjog0: for that we want to regenerate the boot files - the AKI and ARI - on the tftp server.18:30
SpamapSlifeless: speaking of state stuff.. where did we land that description of the register state stuff?18:31
lifelessjog0: we were talking about using rebuild --some-option to control that as well; specifically we want to:18:31
lifeless - change the reported base image id for the instance18:31
lifeless - update the boot files in tftp18:31
lifeless - not intefer with the root device or the ephemeral device18:31
lifeless - not power cycle the machine18:31
lifelessSpamapS: tie/use-ephemeral18:32
lifelessmight have been dib/use-ephemeral18:32
lifelesspossibly needs to be in dib to setup ssh, or maybe we should rearrange base os things from a tie level element. Dunno.18:33
SpamapSlifeless: ahh yes thats it, tie18:33
SpamapSlifeless: could not remember the name, wanted to make sure my first experiments were on the right track18:34
* SpamapS bolts to sandwich shop to get lunch before call in 25 min18:34
lifelessSpamapS: we have a call?18:34
SpamapSlifeless: no I have one18:34
lifelessSpamapS: kk, have fun :)18:34
jog0lifeless: so I bring this up because the preserving ephemeral disk thread has seemed to gone off track towards the who controls block devices discission18:36
jog0as you started it, you may be the best person to re-center the discussion18:37
lifelessjog0: I hadn't noticed that18:39
jog0lifeless: well for one Jgriffith only commented on the cinder vs nova aspect18:43
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lifelessSpamapS: is ready for review18:50
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NobodyCam#strartmeeting Ironic19:00
NobodyCam#chair devananda19:00
NobodyCamWelcome everyone to the Ironic meeting.19:00
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NobodyCam#toplic Greetings, roll-call and announcements19:00
NobodyCamWho's here for the Ironic Meeting?19:00
NobodyCam#topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements19:00
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NobodyCam:-p /me cannt type today19:00
devanandaok, my irc client is spazzing. it says this is the tripleo room19:01
jog0isn't this the tripleo room?19:01
devanandaor, it is the tripleo room19:01
NobodyCam#startmeeting Ironic19:01
openstackNobodyCam: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.  Use #endmeeting first.19:01
lifelessdevananda: this *is* #tripleo19:01
lifelessdevananda: no spazzing involved.19:01
devananda#endmeeting ironic19:01
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openstackMinutes (text):
lifelessthank you :)19:02
NobodyCamsorry for that19:02
* pleia2 passes NobodyCam some more coffee19:02
lifelessI think intravenous is in order19:02
NobodyCamwas a long night sorry again guy19:04
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Adjust setup-network to support numbered brbms.
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Add tftp support for Fedora
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/os-collect-config: Reduce default polling interval to 30 seconds
sdagueman, super useful to know you can start up meeting bot in any room19:11
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lifelesssdague: s/useful/scary/19:12
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lifelessjog0: so, AIUI you're writing presentation atm19:22
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lifelessjog0: and will get back to rebuild after that?19:22
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jog0lifeless: doing a little catch up from last week, then correct19:27
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lucasagomessomeone knows when the tuskar/tripleo tracks r planned for?19:31
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Nglucasagomes: (still tentative aiui)19:33
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lucasagomesNg: cheers :)19:35
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rpodolyaka1Ng: super useful! thanks!19:37
ogelbukhha, it's different from this time19:38
ogelbukhNg: many thanks!19:38
Ngogelbukh: yeah it's a nice idea to keep the ATC section separate from the general summit stuff19:39
ogelbukhNg: +1 given the number of general tracks19:39
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* Ng adds the .ics for both summits to his calendar19:52
Ngdo like19:52
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dkehnlifeless:, last week you mentioned there was an issue with this??20:40
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lifelessdkehn: oh right, yes - it seems to have lost the attribution that I uploaded the initial patch20:44
lifelessdkehn: did you change the change-id ?20:44
dkehnlifeless: yes20:44
dkehnlifeless: I figured this I had to add testing the all the rearraging I would just resubmit20:45
lifelessdkehn: I'm curious why you needed to resubmit at all ?20:47
dkehnlifeless: I figured it would be easier for me to control since I had to make is work20:48
lifelessdkehn: the reason I mention this at all is two fold; a) dropping attribution violates one of the standard open source social norms20:48
lifelessdkehn: you can control it without dropping attribution, thats *fine*20:48
dkehnlifeless: sorry I didn't mean to violate any rules20:49
lifelessdkehn: and b) the OpenStack CLA actually requires all the submitters to be visible to the system20:49
lifelessdkehn: easy to fix however20:49
lifelessdkehn: last paragraph - add a Co-Authored-By: Robert Collins <>20:50
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dkehnlifeless: in the commit message?20:50
lifelessdkehn: and if we do something similar in future, you should just add one of those for you, and push to the existing review.20:50
lifelessdkehn: yes, adjacent to the Change-Id field20:50
dkehnlifeless: ok, will add the info a send for review20:53
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lifelessSpamapS: thank you!21:12
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SpamapSlifeless: did I do something good?21:20
* SpamapS expects a cookie21:20
lifelessSpamapS: your notes21:20
SpamapSlifeless: oh NP. :)21:21
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tuskar-ui: Use a well-formed MAC address in tests
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Fix assigning of a floating IP to a Neutron port
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lifelessdkehn: thank you!22:43
dkehnlifeless: sorry for the confusion22:45
lifelessdkehn: it's ok, you didn't know about the conventions around patch provenance22:46
lifelessdkehn: now you do :)22:46
dkehnlifeless: yes its interesting, becuase its happened to me but I didn't know the rules, interesting22:50
lifelessdkehn: note that someone fixing up your patch while preserving the ChangeId and Author: is fine22:52
lifelessdkehn: because provenance isn't altered (though they should add Co-Authored-By for themselves unless they are doing very little)22:53
dkehnlifeless: understand, that was the case22:53
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pleia2lifeless: have a couple quick questions re: when you have a moment23:20
pleia2under iteration 2, 1.1 I added some notes (questions)23:21
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