| victor_lowther | SpamapS: Replied to your comments.on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91867/, thanks! | 00:00 |
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| StevenK | #modified: scripts/devtest_seed.sh | 00:47 |
| StevenK | #typechange: scripts/init-keystone | 00:47 |
| StevenK | Heh, haven't seen git print typechange before | 00:47 |
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| cody-somerville | How does one get tox to run in such a way that subunit.run discover --list doesn | 00:56 |
| cody-somerville | 't spit out a big block of weird stuff. | 00:56 |
| clarkb | fix your imports | 00:58 |
| clarkb | or install testr from trunk | 00:58 |
| StevenK | cody-somerville: I'd suggest pyflakes over changed files to point out any problems | 01:01 |
| cody-somerville | Is it possible to get it to show the actual traceback? I got it showing just the name of the problem tests (in readable format). | 01:10 |
| clarkb | if you install from tip of trunk | 01:12 |
| clarkb | oh no not the actual traceback | 01:12 |
| clarkb | for that import the module yourself | 01:12 |
| cody-somerville | wow. complicated. | 01:15 |
| cody-somerville | Who can make this better? | 01:16 |
| clarkb | lifeless or anyone submitting fixes to testrepository/subunit/discover | 01:17 |
| clarkb | but I think discover is stdlib | 01:18 |
| StevenK | discover is a seperate project | 01:19 |
| StevenK | It's in test-requirements | 01:19 |
| cody-somerville | eek, control-c doesn't cleanly kill the testrun :( | 01:40 |
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| lifeless | the traceback thing is complicated | 01:47 |
| lifeless | the fix should happen in Python itself | 01:47 |
| lifeless | cody-somerville: ^ | 01:47 |
| cody-somerville | lifeless: Is there anything we can do to just fix the list of what's wrong? | 01:48 |
| cody-somerville | (e.g. make release of testrepository I'm guessing?) | 01:48 |
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| lifeless | cody-somerville: thats pending pbr getting the semver stuff I have queued up | 01:48 |
| StevenK | Huh | 01:58 |
| StevenK | /home/steven/.cache/tripleo/tripleo-incubator/scripts/devtest_undercloud.sh: line 163: UNDERCLOUD_CEILOMETER_PASSWORD: unbound variable | 01:58 |
| tchaypo | random guess | 02:01 |
| tchaypo | your undercloud-passwords file was written before UNDERCLOUD_CEILOMETER_PASSWORD was in use | 02:01 |
| tchaypo | and since we never add to that list, it's never been added, so now you have a problem. | 02:02 |
| StevenK | % grep -c CEIL ~/.cache/tripleo/tripleo-undercloud-passwords | 02:02 |
| StevenK | 0 | 02:02 |
| StevenK | Heh | 02:02 |
| StevenK | Right, I shall blow them away | 02:02 |
| tchaypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87039/ was an attempt to fix this but it died. | 02:02 |
| StevenK | And then log the output so I can tell if the new, shiny init-keystone works | 02:03 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: StevenK: discover as a separate project is a backport of the stdlib module | 02:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Trent Geerdes proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Move most undercloud params to an environment file https://review.openstack.org/91717 | 02:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Trent Geerdes proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Move most undercloud params to an environment file https://review.openstack.org/91717 | 02:25 |
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| tchaypo | why is Yahoo featuring on CNN? | 02:55 |
| tchaypo | Goodness Marissa was looking chirpy in that photo | 02:55 |
| StevenK | Oh look, a new manners e-mail | 02:59 |
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| tchaypo | yes, but (A) it's internal, so I think the etiquette is to not discuss it here; and (B) I agree with it entirely. | 03:03 |
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| tchaypo | Oh clever - CNN is now doing a story about a stowaway in a wheel well of a plane, and they have a nice how-to video with a reporter in said wheel well demonstrating where you need to stand to be clear of the machinery | 03:05 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: do they cover how to avoid oxygen depravation? | 03:07 |
| tchaypo | I couldn't tell, I've only got video | 03:13 |
| tchaypo | now they have Anderson Cooper's eyes. | 03:13 |
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| tchaypo | Possibly the rest of his face too, I can't tell, his eyes are just so enthralling | 03:13 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: why are you watching cant-report-news-network ? | 03:14 |
| tchaypo | I'm sitting in a Regus Business Lounge | 03:15 |
| tchaypo | I discovered I have a free membership via Tripit Pro, so I thought I'd check it out. | 03:15 |
| tchaypo | i thought it was the Chicken Noodle Network | 03:15 |
| openstackgerrit | James Polley proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Let cleanup-env only clean a specified environment https://review.openstack.org/91288 | 03:19 |
| tchaypo | In other news ^^ has some choices that needed to be made. I've had to explain them repeatedly, which makes me think I might not have made the best choice, but I think the alternatives are just as question-raising. | 03:23 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed a change to openstack/diskimage-builder: Reinstate support for source-repos gerrit refs https://review.openstack.org/90890 | 03:27 |
| openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed a change to openstack/diskimage-builder: Correct source-repository comments https://review.openstack.org/92509 | 03:27 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: oh right, your points run ? | 03:27 |
| tchaypo | Sorry, parse error | 03:27 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: you're flying to/from BNE ? | 03:27 |
| tchaypo | oh | 03:28 |
| tchaypo | No, that's the week after summit | 03:28 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: oh | 03:28 |
| lifeless | whats the Regus Business Lounge then ? | 03:28 |
| tchaypo | I was just in the city today, dropping off steve's laptop, and decided to check it out. | 03:28 |
| tchaypo | In short - you know how Regus sell office space for people who don't need office space (much|often)? | 03:29 |
| tchaypo | the business lounge is their entry level "get you in the door" product that has similar facilities to the businessy area of an airport lounge - small desks/tables and some loungey chairs for working, tea/coffee/snack machine, wifi, papers | 03:30 |
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| tchaypo | plus, you're already in the door so they can upsell you to a private room, use of the meeting rooms etc. | 03:31 |
| tchaypo | seems to be largely targetted at travellers, or as a convenience for people who hire space in one office but are travelling for a few days | 03:31 |
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| tchaypo | in other news - sys.exit("wahey!") | 03:33 |
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| lifeless | tchaypo: interesting | 03:43 |
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| lifeless | bnemec: / slagle: around? shoppnig for a second for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91198/ | 03:46 |
| tchaypo | it beats sitting in a library. I've looked into some of the local co-working spaces, but they're asking on the order of $30 per day of use; regus apparently $39/month for "unlimited" access to locations across australia | 03:47 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: SpamapS: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85619/ bnemec: slagle: passed CI | 03:47 |
| lifeless | had +2s before, minor rebase broke that | 03:47 |
| tchaypo | although they do seem to limit you to 10 days per month at an given site, and they don't guarantee you'll always get a desk | 03:47 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: perhaps you want to remove your -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85636/ after the pedantry discussion ? | 03:48 |
| lifeless | sigh | 03:49 |
| lifeless | 2014-05-02 10:22:30.425 | Cannot fetch index base URL http://pypi.openstack.org/openstack/ | 03:49 |
| tchaypo | the coworking spaces are a lot cheaper if you want dedicated desk space - but even so, if I wanted that I think I'd just head into the actual office I already have handy | 03:49 |
| StevenK | tchaypo: It doesn't seem very hard to find a spare desk for a day/afternoon at the office, indeed | 03:51 |
| tchaypo | yeah. If I wanted to work from an office regularly I'd do that. It's a long commute outside of peak hour though, especially if I'm already in the CBD and I can get a desk right here | 03:53 |
| StevenK | Outside of peak hour? It takes me like 15 minutes to drive | 03:54 |
| tchaypo | Do you remember transitioning from office to WFH? I found I was going a bit stir-crazy at first, so I was working away from home a lot over the first month or so | 03:54 |
| tchaypo | It's starting to taper off now though - I've spent most of this week at home | 03:55 |
| StevenK | I found it very odd for the first week or so | 03:55 |
| bnemec | Ugh. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91198 is going to break my pipefail check again. :-( | 03:55 |
| tchaypo | It takes me 15 minutes just to walk to the train station... it's about an hour door-to-door, outside of peak | 03:55 |
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| tchaypo | bnemec: sadness :( | 03:55 |
| SpamapS | I've been working from home on and off since 1999. :-P | 03:59 |
| StevenK | tchaypo: The first day was especially strange. No e-mail address or access to internal systems, and my manager had started two days prior to me | 04:00 |
| tchaypo | SpamapS: that's longer than I've been working :p | 04:00 |
| SpamapS | THe only problem I seem to have is every 3 - 4 years I realize I have nothing but nerd t-shirts and cargo shorts to wear. | 04:00 |
| StevenK | That's a problem? | 04:00 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: that is a problem? | 04:00 |
| tchaypo | SpamapS: I'm unsure how that's a problem | 04:00 |
| SpamapS | Yes | 04:00 |
| StevenK | clarkb: :-D | 04:00 |
| SpamapS | In a former life, I gave a shit. ;) | 04:00 |
| clarkb | I pretend I don't work from home but then I get home from office and work all night | 04:01 |
| clarkb | so pretty sure that mostly counts | 04:01 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: anyway, as far as going stir crazy.. as an absolute extrovert, I have to go out and be among people at least once a week. | 04:02 |
| SpamapS | Sometimes I just go to the karaoke bar. | 04:02 |
| SpamapS | Or a meetup. | 04:02 |
| SpamapS | Sometimes just have beer w/ a friend. | 04:02 |
| SpamapS | What I'd love is to find a local lunch group of techies. | 04:02 |
| SpamapS | But there are only bank and insurance offices in my immediate area... :-P | 04:03 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: I haer they build rockets and space ships and electric cars in your area | 04:03 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Remove boot-seed-vm need to know ssh key. https://review.openstack.org/85619 | 04:03 |
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| SpamapS | clarkb: That is all in the desert. I'm in the valley. | 04:05 |
| SpamapS | I actually did try to find a home in Pasadena precisely because I figured I could find CalTech nerds to hang out with. | 04:05 |
| SpamapS | But Pasadena is crap for schools. | 04:05 |
| SpamapS | ironically. | 04:05 |
| clarkb | huh | 04:06 |
| SpamapS | South Pasadena is fantastic for schools. :) | 04:06 |
| SpamapS | But South Pasadena is really far from CalTech :-P | 04:06 |
| bnemec | lifeless: I think I need to revisit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91198 when it isn't so late here and I can actually understand the implications of the change/revert. :-) | 04:07 |
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| SpamapS | clarkb: the techies are all in Culver City, Santa Monica, and Venice Beach. 10 miles south. I'm in the part of the valley where plastic surgeons outnumber sysadmins. ;) | 04:08 |
| lifeless | bnemec: its a revert, how will it break that ? | 04:10 |
| lifeless | bnemec: ok, I'll remind you my tomorrow morning | 04:10 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Yeah, I just want to make sure I agree with the revert, and I'm not terribly familiar with how it all works. | 04:11 |
| tchaypo | lifeless: have you looked at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91446/1/specs/juno/log-guidelines.rst ? | 04:11 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: yes | 04:11 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: see my comments therein :) | 04:11 |
| tchaypo | lifeless: There are none around line 169, where people are quibbling over whether "operators" use the APIs or not | 04:12 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: you just need to learn to hang in those circles then | 04:12 |
| lifeless | bnemec: sure | 04:12 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: trade tips on liposuction and botox | 04:12 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: comment then ;) | 04:12 |
| tchaypo | If an operator developers a tool that uses the API, doesn't make them a developer as well as an operator? | 04:12 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: and thus devops | 04:12 |
| * bnemec sleeps | 04:14 | |
| clarkb | lifeless: tchaypo: I think the bigger problem is everyone acting like it isn't still a choice | 04:16 |
| clarkb | set it to debug if you need that noise | 04:16 |
| clarkb | the distinction between oeprator and dev isn't really that important imo | 04:16 |
| tchaypo | True, but I disagree about it being noise | 04:16 |
| clarkb | it should be correct for everyone based on level chosen | 04:16 |
| lifeless | clarkb: I don't understand what you mean | 04:17 |
| clarkb | chose a more verbose level if necessary | 04:17 |
| tchaypo | if I'm running a service and I'm about to do an upgrade that turns off an API, I'd like to know whether anyone has used that API over the last N days | 04:17 |
| clarkb | lifeless: there is arguing over devs and ops needing orthogonal things | 04:17 |
| clarkb | I think that silly | 04:17 |
| lifeless | clarkb: ok, I agree with that. | 04:17 |
| clarkb | instaed your logging should be consistent and let individuals regardless of role select a level appropriate to need | 04:17 |
| tchaypo | if that requires turning on debug, that means I'm going to be spending a lot of time running in debug | 04:17 |
| lifeless | clarkb: I want the default to be what operators run per the production defaults discussion we've had already. | 04:17 |
| lifeless | clarkb: *and* I want folk to stop claiming that operators want *less* in their logs unless they're running a production cloud :) | 04:18 |
| lifeless | clarkb: because all the full time ops folk I know, want more than verbose, slightly less than debug | 04:18 |
| clarkb | lifeless: I think its not really less as much as it is less noise | 04:18 |
| clarkb | our logs are so noisy | 04:18 |
| clarkb | they are full of useless information | 04:18 |
| clarkb | no one wants to see that | 04:19 |
| lifeless | clarkb: a bunch of stuff like amqp blah - yes. | 04:19 |
| tchaypo | clarkb: so I think we agree that that operators/developers is a side issue; what we really need to figure out is how to get the logs detailed enough to be useful without being noisy | 04:19 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: ++ | 04:20 |
| lifeless | clarkb: but there's stuff that ...yeah | 04:20 |
| tchaypo | I'm guessing we agree that for operator deprecation warnings, "once per service start" is a good compromise? | 04:20 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: yes I am fine with it showing up but it doesn't need to show up on every request at not debug level | 04:20 |
| clarkb | bceause noise | 04:20 |
| tchaypo | I'd like it if that worked for the REST APIs as well, but I can't see how to make that work and still have information about who is using the api call | 04:21 |
| clarkb | really I would just like to see people make an effort | 04:21 |
| clarkb | I expect this stuff to evolve and change over time and the initial blueprint won't be static | 04:21 |
| StevenK | tchaypo: So I had password files in two places, both didn't mention ceilometer | 04:21 |
| clarkb | but status quo is wild west where everyone does whatever they feel like | 04:21 |
| tchaypo | you'd have to make it something like once-per-client-per-service-start.. but I can't see how to make that scale | 04:21 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: see my comment | 04:22 |
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| SpamapS | tchaypo: for anything that is purely due to user action, like using a deprecated REST API call.. it is basically 100% useless to log that. The log readers are not the ones who can fix the problem. :-P | 04:22 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: if you have a specific need to find every client using deprecated apis increase the level of logging | 04:22 |
| SpamapS | Reading the spec comments.. | 04:22 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: but 99% of the time that is useless info | 04:22 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: no one is saying remove the ability to log that | 04:22 |
| clarkb | just don't waste everyones time with it by default | 04:22 |
| SpamapS | that is bike shedding of the most choice type: from people who really do think they know what color bike sheds should be. | 04:22 |
| tchaypo | In my experience, when I'm about to do an upgrade that finally turns off a deprecated feature, I need to give users weeks or months of warning, and even then I can expect to find a few still using the feature on the announced go-dead day | 04:23 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: if you want to find all the people using deprecated API's, feed them warnings for 6 months, and then _shut the API off_ ;) | 04:23 |
| tchaypo | so that would mean running in debug for at least a few days prior to upgrade, which seems noisy | 04:23 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: REST apis - that seems easy to me. show it once per day | 04:24 |
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| tchaypo | lifeless: you mean, present it in the API response to the API user? | 04:25 |
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| clarkb | fwiw infra already drops all logs < INFO on the floor | 04:25 |
| clarkb | as far as indexing and tooling goes | 04:25 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: well that for sure thats what the warning header is for | 04:25 |
| clarkb | they are presevered in the log archive which we have had to reduce retention time to 4 months in | 04:25 |
| lifeless | clarkb: for test runs? | 04:25 |
| clarkb | lifeless: yes | 04:26 |
| clarkb | this is a real world problem for CI too | 04:26 |
| tchaypo | clarkb: to be clear, I think the only point where I disagree with you is on requiring DEBUG - I feel like that's too noisy when you just want deprecation warnings | 04:26 |
| lifeless | clarkb: so there have been many production issues with our clouds that INFO is insufficient to debug | 04:26 |
| lifeless | clarkb: and thats my beef | 04:26 |
| clarkb | lifeless: I agree, but that doesn't mean you use debug liberally | 04:26 |
| lifeless | clarkb: turning it up after the problem happened is a poor experience | 04:26 |
| clarkb | it means your logs are bad | 04:26 |
| clarkb | at least from an upstream side | 04:26 |
| lifeless | clarkb: we have to capture enough detail at the time of the fault to figure it out | 04:27 |
| clarkb | downstream you do whatever you need to to do your job | 04:27 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: I don't understand what you mean by upstream / downstream here. | 04:27 |
| clarkb | lifeless: today openstack logging sucks | 04:27 |
| clarkb | its terrible | 04:27 |
| clarkb | so as someone deploying it or running CI for it capture debug logs because you have no choice | 04:27 |
| clarkb | however, upstream developers should fix that | 04:27 |
| SpamapS | To lifeless's point, what would you do with stack traces? INFO? | 04:27 |
| clarkb | which is what the blueprint is | 04:28 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: that is covered in the blueprint | 04:28 |
| lifeless | clarkb: I feel like you're answering a different concern than I'm raising | 04:28 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: it does not say at what level they're logged. Only that they are logged. | 04:28 |
| lifeless | clarkb: we both know it sucks. I'm saying that I want the fix to be: logging where the defaults that are sufficient to fix problems without going back to servers and changing log levels. | 04:29 |
| SpamapS | and fixed aggressively | 04:29 |
| clarkb | lifeless: I think we agree then | 04:29 |
| lifeless | clarkb: I don't care what the levels are. | 04:29 |
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| clarkb | SpamapS: I think the indication is that you log them at the level appropriate | 04:29 |
| lifeless | clarkb: what I see missing in the spec is this user level story | 04:29 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: but that you don't have stacktraces randomly (which we do today yay) | 04:29 |
| lifeless | clarkb: levels and config and stacktraces are incidental to this key principle. | 04:30 |
| lifeless | impl vs design | 04:30 |
| lifeless | bbiab | 04:30 |
| clarkb | lifeless: sure, but in that review its being all jumbled together in ways that make zero sense | 04:31 |
| clarkb | by the commenters | 04:31 |
| clarkb | your comment is fine and a good one | 04:31 |
| * SpamapS steps back from the drive-by commentary and decides to do some more reviews | 04:31 | |
| clarkb | this in developer mode vs in deployment mode is what really bothers me I think | 04:32 |
| clarkb | especially from a logging perspective we are trying to expose the gate logs in a way very similar to how you may expose a deployment log base | 04:33 |
| tchaypo | clarkb: I just got past the comments and noticed that the next line says "No more than once per API usage per tenant" | 04:33 |
| clarkb | there isn't really a distinction between those two categories in my mind but half those comments seem to talk this dinstinction for granted | 04:33 |
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| clarkb | s/talk/take/ | 04:35 |
| tchaypo | clarkb: I think you're saying that if the logs are at the right level, the same settings that make it possible to diagnose faults after-the-fact in CI should also be appropriate for production? | 04:35 |
| clarkb | yes | 04:36 |
| tchaypo | +1 | 04:36 |
| clarkb | because its basically the same process | 04:36 |
| clarkb | and if it isn't then it should be | 04:36 |
| SpamapS | hm | 04:38 |
| SpamapS | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91864/ ... ready to be +A .. but there are reports of trusty lock ups | 04:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Potter proposed a change to openstack/diskimage-builder: Add DIB_DEBOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_ARGS environment variable https://review.openstack.org/92517 | 04:38 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: thats ok lifeless says upgrade to trusty after the summit ;) | 04:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Kowalik proposed a change to openstack/os-cloud-config: Perform PKI initialization for a Keystone host https://review.openstack.org/91520 | 04:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Kowalik proposed a change to openstack/os-cloud-config: Add a init-keystone CLI https://review.openstack.org/91521 | 04:39 |
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| clarkb | also a lot of things like http://logs.openstack.org/96/91896/5/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/d5dd18e/logs/screen-g-api.txt.gz#_2014-05-07_00_51_31_568 should be fixed | 04:49 |
| clarkb | thats normal | 04:49 |
| tchaypo | clarkb: re-reading your comment - you actually suggested something more granular than debug everywhere, you suggested turning on DEBUG just for nova, if it's the nova API we care about. | 04:50 |
| tchaypo | I like that | 04:50 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: yup | 04:50 |
| clarkb | I think being able to configure to a use case is important, capture the bulk of user needs in the defaults but allow others to go beyond that if deemed necessary | 04:51 |
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| tchaypo | I'd like it even more if we could selectively enable just deprecation messages without full DEBUG though. If we did stick with "logging.getLogger(__name__)" - is there a way to pass through the option to just turn on DEBUG for that particular logger? | 04:52 |
| tchaypo | That might provide a nice compromise, if the API receiver has its own logger | 04:52 |
| clarkb | you should be able to specify level per logger neame | 04:52 |
| clarkb | if deprecation warnings have a specific logger or loggers you would be set | 04:53 |
| tchaypo | I mean, I know we can do it in python, I'm wondering if we have a way for the operator to pass that through without needing to write any python | 04:53 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: pretty sure oslo.logging supports that | 04:53 |
| clarkb | it accepts a python logging config | 04:53 |
| clarkb | file | 04:53 |
| tchaypo | oh, win. doublewin. | 04:53 |
| tchaypo | Great, I'm going to suggest that. | 04:54 |
| clarkb | and http://logs.openstack.org/96/91896/5/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/d5dd18e/logs/screen-c-api.txt.gz?level=INFO#_2014-05-07_01_20_45_984 is an example of bad tracebacks according to the proposal | 04:56 |
| tchaypo | clarkb: and then I read your comment again and see that you actually said "nova api" rather than "nova" | 05:01 |
| tchaypo | so I've just spent 30 minutes reinventing the thing you already suggested. Yay me! | 05:02 |
| clarkb | its ok, it helps us all grok the thing | 05:02 |
| StevenK | Embarrassment factor: high. | 05:08 |
| StevenK | Fixed. | 05:08 |
| * StevenK laughs | 05:08 | |
| tchaypo | On that note - I've suddenly found myself correcting spelling on every second line of this proposal. Is that useful, or am I just being noisy? | 05:11 |
| StevenK | Depends, are you insisting on US English, Queen's English, or Australian English? :-P | 05:12 |
| tchaypo | Neither, I'm suggesting that unless we expect many visits from the 10th Doctor, once per tenant is probably what we want | 05:13 |
| StevenK | Boo, hiss | 05:13 |
| tchaypo | the others are likewise wrong in any mainstream english variant. | 05:13 |
| StevenK | Oh, 'tennant' | 05:14 |
| StevenK | Right. | 05:14 |
| StevenK | You will still pay for that pun | 05:14 |
| clarkb | sdague should have a speeling mode in his emacs | 05:15 |
| clarkb | also webster was on to something when he did that thing way back when | 05:15 |
| StevenK | clarkb: I've that book multiple times, and I still can't work out the plot. | 05:19 |
| StevenK | I've read that book, even | 05:19 |
| StevenK | (In seriousness, I tend to check /usr/share/dict/words) | 05:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Let cleanup-env only clean a specified environment https://review.openstack.org/91288 | 06:05 |
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| marios | greghaynes: ping - hi morning/evening :) can you pls look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91346/ if/when you have a minute? | 06:19 |
| marios | (sorry my copy paste went a bit wrong there but you'll get the jist) | 06:20 |
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| marios | dshulyak: ping | 06:30 |
| marios | dshulyak: unping | 06:33 |
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| GheRivero | morning all | 06:48 |
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| rameshg87 | hello lifeless, are you there ? do you have a couple of minutes .. | 07:05 |
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| dshulyak | marios: ping :) | 07:19 |
| dshulyak | can someone +A this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86069/ ? it has 2 +2, finally ci passed | 07:20 |
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| marios | dshulyak: hey | 07:22 |
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| dshulyak | marios: i guess greghaynes point was that all my patches should get 2 +2, and only after that we should merge them | 07:27 |
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| marios | dshulyak: yeah we need to get the order right. once the ContraolPlanID one is approved we can move on the others | 07:34 |
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| marios | gerrit down? | 07:37 |
| GheRivero | yes | 07:37 |
| marios | oh noes | 07:38 |
| GheRivero | and back | 07:38 |
| * GheRivero goes for coffe while hitting F5 compulsively | 07:39 | |
| SpamapS | GheRivero: get a bird for that | 07:39 |
| marios | GheRivero: still down in the eastern med | 07:39 |
| SpamapS | http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/2239283/homer-bird-o.gif | 07:40 |
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| marios | seems back now | 07:51 |
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| lifeless | rameshg87: hi | 07:58 |
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| lifeless | GheRivero: got the wrong number ? conf system, conf id 252286 | 08:04 |
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| GheRivero | lifeless: trying to. The US toll free number so be sleeping | 08:05 |
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| lifeless | GheRivero: I use +18664092889 | 08:06 |
| GheRivero | ok. solved.. | 08:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Nicholas Randon proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Expose passthrough configuration in undercloud. https://review.openstack.org/91792 | 08:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Nicholas Randon proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Separate Heat BM and VM configs for Nova-BM. https://review.openstack.org/90033 | 08:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Nicholas Randon proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Allows user-specified PXE timeout for overcloud https://review.openstack.org/86605 | 08:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Nicholas Randon proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Choose whether to deploy/update using heat. https://review.openstack.org/92344 | 08:11 |
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| lazy_prince | lifeless: hi, can you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79873/ | 08:26 |
| lifeless | rameshg87: hi ? | 08:29 |
| lifeless | lazy_prince: it failed CI on the seed | 08:29 |
| lifeless | lazy_prince: that may indicate a problem in the patch | 08:29 |
| lazy_prince | lifeless: it failed during some python package download.. | 08:31 |
| lazy_prince | let me kick the test again.. | 08:31 |
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| StevenK | Bleh, my keystone-pki undercloud also failed reaching pypi.o.o | 08:33 |
| lifeless | please file a bug for it | 08:33 |
| lifeless | and use recheck bug ### | 08:33 |
| lazy_prince | if it happens again, i will submit a bug... | 08:34 |
| StevenK | lazy_prince, lifeless: Already filed by jp_at_hp, bug #1292141 | 08:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1292141 in tripleo "network connections to http://pypi.openstack.org/openstack/ can cause CI failures with various symptoms" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292141 | 08:39 |
| rameshg87 | hello lifeless | 08:42 |
| rameshg87 | still there ? | 08:42 |
| jp_at_hp | ugh - pip and networking... | 08:43 |
| rameshg87 | lifeless: hi :-) | 08:43 |
| lazy_prince | cool.. can you plz review my patch.. | 08:43 |
| StevenK | jp_at_hp: Sorry, didn't mean to remind you of the pain :-) | 08:44 |
| jprovazn | GheRivero: Hi, regarding this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82739/ - it was abandoned because "Superseed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83347/", what is the reason for restoring this one? | 08:45 |
| jp_at_hp | StevenK: that's ok, I've been hit with worse since - it's almost a fond memory now :D | 08:46 |
| StevenK | Haha | 08:46 |
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| jp_at_hp | lifeless: while you appear to be online I'd like to find out what you want me to do to progress any of the things I have in flight. The one I'd like to get to most is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-images-defined-as-elements - I think SpamapS understood the intent and I was going to rework the patch based on his comments around the naming. Would that allay your concerns over it? If not - please let me know what would. | 09:07 |
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| jp_at_hp | does anyone know ivan berezovskiy's irc nick? I wanted to repoint them \t https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92481/ as I responded to their review comments. | 09:17 |
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| lifeless | jp_at_hp: hi | 09:21 |
| lifeless | jp_at_hp: so we now have a specs repository - if you can propose your change there - the template asks some questions that will help clarify that etherpad, and it will help socialise it amongst the tripleo-core | 09:22 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: I was afraid that would be the answer :( | 09:23 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: is it written up anywhere how to use that? | 09:24 |
| lxsli | jp_at_hp: it's easy enough, there's a template in the specs directory | 09:24 |
| jp_at_hp | what's the repo name? | 09:26 |
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| lxsli | openstack/tripleo-specs | 09:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Shulyak proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Remove hardcoded ports for api endpoints https://review.openstack.org/92550 | 09:26 |
| jp_at_hp | lxsli: ta | 09:27 |
| lxsli | here's one I made earlier: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92356/ | 09:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nicholas Randon proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Expose passthrough configuration in undercloud. https://review.openstack.org/91792 | 09:42 |
| dshulyak | anyone knows why endpoints for glance, neutron, ironic hardocded in nova.conf? isnt nova capable of querying them from keystone? | 09:42 |
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| dshulyak | should it be considered as bug ? | 09:42 |
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| lxsli | dshulyak: even if it were, wouldn't that be on Nova? | 09:45 |
| dshulyak | lxsli: it just affects ha configuration in tripleo https://review.openstack.org/92550, but you are right, going to ask in nova channel | 09:47 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: Can you remove your objections to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88252/1 please? It seems like the env var boat has already sailed... | 09:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-specs: Control mechanism for os-apply-config https://review.openstack.org/92356 | 09:51 |
| lifeless | jp_at_hp: since we have a plan to fix it, I don't think its sailed :) | 09:56 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: so what does that mean in terms of my change? You don't give me any alternatvies so I feel I am in limbo | 09:58 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: and where is the plan detailed? | 09:58 |
| lifeless | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-incubator-rationalise-ui | 09:59 |
| lifeless | I haven't yet cnoverted it to a spec in the spec repo | 09:59 |
| lifeless | you could use command line arguments | 09:59 |
| lifeless | jp_at_hp: out of interest, what are the extra repos you need | 10:00 |
| lifeless | jp_at_hp: or you could migrate to mr, per the coment in pull-tools | 10:00 |
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| lxsli | What do we call controller + compute? I've been saying node-flavor, resource type is close but conflicts with Heat terminology | 10:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Stuart McLaren proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Add os-iptables-stateful script for managing iptables https://review.openstack.org/89860 | 10:02 |
| lifeless | lxsli: call them in what context? | 10:02 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: can you put more detail around that please? And from what you are saying you will not be removing your -1? And so I might as well abandon that patch? | 10:02 |
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| lifeless | jp_at_hp: well, -1 isn't -2 | 10:03 |
| lifeless | jp_at_hp: things can merge with -1 in place, if the -core's reviewing think its appropraite. | 10:03 |
| lifeless | jp_at_hp: what detail would you like? I'm not sure what isn't clear | 10:04 |
| lxsli | EG "we'll use 3 ___ - controller, compute and flibbity" | 10:04 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: but you are not telling me what I can do to fix your issues with it. And given the plan for removing env vars isn't in place yet, what is 1 more going to do to you? | 10:04 |
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| lifeless | lxsli: have a look at the tuskar mockups, I think the terminology we've settled on there will fit | 10:05 |
| lxsli | OK thanks | 10:05 |
| lifeless | jp_at_hp: you can a) use a command line argument, b) migrate the tool to mr (which has a config file, so you could edit that config file for your local needs) | 10:05 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: for the benefit of the fools out there - what is mr? | 10:05 |
| lifeless | http://myrepos.branchable.com/ | 10:06 |
| lifeless | its a more maintained version of config-manager | 10:06 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: but that isn't integrated into any of the tripleo-incubator tooling. So I would still have to reimplement a load of things | 10:07 |
| lxsli | Looks like "deployment roles" - thanks Rob | 10:07 |
| lifeless | jp_at_hp: the interface for pull-tools is pretty narrow, no ? | 10:07 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: not sure what you are getting at | 10:08 |
| lifeless | that it might not be as much work as you seem to think | 10:09 |
| lifeless | pull-tools is a stopgap - eventually we'll just use pip packages for everything we need | 10:09 |
| lifeless | or presume its already installed | 10:09 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: it still then involves maintenance, and working with all of the DIB_REPO* variables, and bugfixes there, so it is more work than you think, I think | 10:09 |
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| jp_at_hp | lifeless: so all of the elements would be installed on a build machine somewhere? and that would then build from there? That's fine, but right now that isn't the reality. | 10:10 |
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| lifeless | or your local machine | 10:11 |
| jp_at_hp | making it a build machine, yes. | 10:11 |
| lifeless | no more or less than it is now | 10:11 |
| lifeless | I don't understand the distinction you are drawing | 10:11 |
| lifeless | my concern around the continual growth of environment variables is that they are often hard to discover; we continually have bugs related to the introduction of new ones | 10:13 |
| lifeless | ; we have unclear and somewhat complex machinery to try and manage them | 10:13 |
| lifeless | for pull-tools specifically, if we're making it data driven, I'd really like to see it using a config file (so there is history and new/deleted repositories can be handled properly). | 10:15 |
| lifeless | a nuance that might not be clear is that incubator is set to be deleted - eventually. | 10:16 |
| lifeless | The goal of it is to be a proving ground for things we need... we don't need to reimplement a full mr system. | 10:16 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: I wouldn't see the point of putting that much energy into it if it's to be replaced by installing pips | 10:16 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: which is not what I'm trying to do - but there is a genuine use-case here that someone may have a repo of elements to use in dib, which they can use to override some default elements from, and having the ability to pull that repo in the same machinery as everything else is pulled from is very convenient, avoids code duplication to wqork with the DIB_REPOREF environment variables and provides a reasonable solution, imho | 10:18 |
| lifeless | its very weird that DIB variables affect pull-tools | 10:19 |
| lifeless | its an entirely different layer | 10:19 |
| lifeless | Its after 10pm here | 10:19 |
| jp_at_hp | lifeless: and given the number of environment variables extant in the triple-incubator machinery right now, and no published plan or alternative to deal with them, and not wanting to pollute the docs or devtest with command-line options it seems that the extra environment variable makes the most sense here | 10:19 |
| lifeless | I'm really not awake enough to reason well - so I'm going to sign off and get some sleep | 10:19 |
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| lifeless | not sure where you're getting no plan - there is a plan - and we're adding command line options to devtest scripts already | 10:20 |
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| lifeless | I wouldn't have suggested a command line option if it wasn't viable. | 10:20 |
| jp_at_hp | sorry - meant to say no "published" plan, as you said yourself earlier | 10:20 |
| jp_at_hp | I didn't say it wasn't viable, just a whole lot messier | 10:21 |
| lifeless | its not in the new specs repository, but its been socialised over the last couple of months, AFAIK all the -core have looked at it and bought into it. | 10:21 |
| jp_at_hp | where is it? I'd love to see it | 10:21 |
| lifeless | The etherpad I linked to | 10:21 |
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| lifeless | ok, I really do need to halt(). You wanted to be unblocked: I would not object to a command line option per se. | 10:22 |
| jp_at_hp | the rationaliseui one? OK. JKust haven't seen any activity on it since I put my proposal in there... | 10:22 |
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| jp_at_hp | lifeless: thanks for your time - good night, sorry for keeping you up. | 10:23 |
| lifeless | my daughter is much more to blame for that :) | 10:23 |
| lifeless | gnight | 10:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Jon-Paul Sullivan (jp_at_hp) proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Update pull-tools to allow for additional tools https://review.openstack.org/88252 | 10:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Jon-Paul Sullivan (jp_at_hp) proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Whitespace fix to pull-tools https://review.openstack.org/88256 | 10:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Use the common-venv element by default. https://review.openstack.org/91787 | 13:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nicholas Randon proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Expose passthrough configuration in undercloud. https://review.openstack.org/91792 | 14:03 |
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| giulivo | guys, I'm starting with devtest; I think setting a default for TRIPLEO_ROOT doesn't work well cause we need tripleo-incubator/scripts in there already ... I suggest we just check if TRIPLEO_ROOT is set and if it isn't stop; how does that sound? | 14:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-specs: Control mechanism for os-apply-config https://review.openstack.org/92356 | 14:19 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Add pacemaker and corosync as tripleo elements https://review.openstack.org/86069 | 14:21 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Create ~/.my.cnf with root user/password https://review.openstack.org/89520 | 14:21 |
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| giulivo | basically, if one tries to source devtest_variables.sh it just won't work if TRIPLEO_ROOT wasn't set (the default points to some non-existing directory), so what would be the point of having a default? | 14:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Coleman Corrigan proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add NovaDBPassword to under + overcloud templates https://review.openstack.org/87316 | 14:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Nicholas Randon proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Allows user-specified PXE timeout for undercloud https://review.openstack.org/86605 | 14:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Kerrin proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Fix error trying to use the cirros image https://review.openstack.org/92596 | 14:28 |
| jang | can anyone tell me what consumes the OS_SVC_ENABLE_CONTROL flag set by os-svc-daemon? | 14:29 |
| bnemec | giulivo: I actually advocated for moving the default to something more useful like ~/tripleo, but I don't remember why it didn't happen. | 14:31 |
| andrearosa | mkerrin: | 14:31 |
| andrearosa | sorry | 14:31 |
| bnemec | giulivo: I guess I kind of thought https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-incubator/blob/master/scripts/devtest_variables.sh#L54 took care of the unset TRIPLEO_ROOT case. | 14:32 |
| andrearosa | I was supposed to mention someone else | 14:32 |
| andrearosa | giulivo: gilliard was working on fixing the TRIPLE_ROOT issue | 14:33 |
| andrearosa | gilliard: are you around to add your comment? | 14:33 |
| giulivo | bnemec, indeed it basically does the check but it's kind of weird the way it does it | 14:34 |
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| giulivo | maybe we should either 1) set a default and checkout tripleo-incubator there OR 2) enforce the user to set TRIPLEO_ROOT | 14:34 |
| giulivo | andrearosa, if some change is submitted already I would comment there yes, thanks! | 14:34 |
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| bnemec | giulivo: We used to set a default, but it's really confusing if you cloned tripleo-incubator to a different location and then we use the code somewhere else - changes in the original copy won't take effect. | 14:37 |
| gilliard | Hi andrearosa - yes I abandonned my patch - the prevailing sentiment seemed to be that it was a matter of guiding the user to set it appropriately themself. | 14:37 |
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| gilliard | rather than trying to guess. | 14:37 |
| giulivo | bnemec, indeed I see what you mean | 14:38 |
| gilliard | The problem with that line that bnemec highlighted above is that a clean checkout fails there without giving the user any way of knowing how to fix it. | 14:40 |
| gilliard | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89838/ | 14:41 |
| bnemec | gilliard: I'm not sure I understand - the error message tells you exactly what to do to fix the problem. | 14:41 |
| gilliard | Yes, sorry I didn't explain that very well did I> | 14:42 |
| giulivo | bnemec, indeed it does, and if we want to keep it that way (which also seems reasonable), let's delete the lines which attempt to set a default | 14:42 |
| giulivo | cause we basically don't "support" having a default for that, we expect the user to do it | 14:43 |
| giulivo | we already tell people to do that in the doc so... it can be safely removed as I see it | 14:43 |
| giulivo | (the export in devtest_variables I mean) | 14:44 |
| bnemec | giulivo: I don't have any objections to removing the default. I can't imagine anyone intentionally checking out to .cache/tripleo anyway. :-) | 14:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Jon-Paul Sullivan (jp_at_hp) proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Add the select-cloud script https://review.openstack.org/82807 | 14:44 |
| bnemec | Although that might have implications for CI if they're depending on the default. | 14:44 |
| gilliard | I don't really think those instructions do explain what to do well enough, TBH. | 14:44 |
| bnemec | That can probably be fixed too though. | 14:44 |
| giulivo | bnemec, sure, but I need some pointers for that, can you provide me some "entrypoint"? :P | 14:45 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/diskimage-builder: dib-lint: check for tab indent in files https://review.openstack.org/88531 | 14:45 |
| gilliard | "Please set TRIPLEO_ROOT to point to the directory which contains your tripleo-incubator checkout." << There is no reason why the script can't do that itself. The problem is that the user probably wants it in a different place, but there's nothing explaining the implications of their choice unless they read all the scripts. | 14:45 |
| bnemec | gilliard: Why would they want it in a different place? That's just taking us back to the confusion of having multiple copies of tripleo-incubator. | 14:46 |
| bnemec | Maybe part of the docs should be to put the initial checkout in a sane place. :-) | 14:46 |
| giulivo | gilliard, indeed I would basically hide that and 1) give instructions to export TRIPLEO_ROOT (we already have this), 2) exit from the script if TRIPLEO_ROOT is not set or either tripleo-incubator/scripts is not there | 14:47 |
| bnemec | giulivo: I would probably just propose the change in Gerrit and see if CI passes. :-) | 14:47 |
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| giulivo | bnemec, ok will try, thanks! | 14:47 |
| bnemec | giulivo: As an added bonus, the change will be out there for people to comment on in the meantime in case anyone else has any concerns. | 14:48 |
| giulivo | gilliard, let me try, I'll add you to the review | 14:48 |
| bnemec | You can always mark it WIP with a workflow -1 vote too if you are not sure it should go in. | 14:48 |
| gilliard | Thanks. I think my original patchset (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89838/) was -1 by people arguing that they actually *did* want 2 separate checkouts of t-i. | 14:49 |
| bnemec | gilliard: Yeah, I guess I find that weird. :-) | 14:49 |
| giulivo | gilliard, hat they *did* want two copies? sigh | 14:49 |
| gilliard | Well, have a read through the comments :) Maybe I misunderstood. | 14:50 |
| bnemec | gilliard: No, that's kind of what I got out of the discussion too. Hence my suggestion that the docs say something about putting the initial checkout somewhere sane. ;-) | 14:50 |
| gilliard | Feel free to add me to any patches you put up - It's dropped down my priorities a bit TBH. | 14:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Loganathan Parthipan proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: scripts to persist a running devtest to disk https://review.openstack.org/92575 | 14:56 |
| giulivo | ping tchaypo | 14:58 |
| gilliard | he's in AU timezone, UTC+10 or something like that. | 14:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Loganathan Parthipan proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: scripts to persist a running devtest to disk https://review.openstack.org/92575 | 14:59 |
| giulivo | ok I'll add him to the review then | 14:59 |
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| bnemec | Oh, I _can't_ -2 the Glance patches. They're broken in Gerrit. :-( | 15:02 |
| bnemec | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77924/ | 15:02 |
| bnemec | I get no voting options whatsoever if I review, and that RULE_ERROR type looks rather suspicious. | 15:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Giulio Fidente proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Enforces TRIPLEO_ROOT to be set by the user https://review.openstack.org/92611 | 15:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gerry Drudy proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Configure passthrough in swift heat template https://review.openstack.org/92622 | 16:18 |
| lxsli | lifeless when you wake up, or ideally someone awake already: can you see anything wrong with this please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91810/ | 16:19 |
| lxsli | EXTRA_CONFIG isn't showing if we do `heat resource-metadata undercloud` and we can't figure out why :( | 16:19 |
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| geerdest_ | i need a second core review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91155/ | 16:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Giulio Fidente proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Enforces TRIPLEO_ROOT to be set by the user https://review.openstack.org/92611 | 16:32 |
| gilliard | giulivo: Thanks for that - I'll review it again in the morning. | 16:36 |
| giulivo | gilliard, so the main benefit we're getting with this is that we don't clone twice tripleo-incubator in the tripleo_root | 16:37 |
| giulivo | if that is a benefit or not for everyone I don't know | 16:37 |
| gilliard | and clearer instructions :) | 16:38 |
| giulivo | hopefully yes | 16:38 |
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| bnemec | lifeless: ^ | 17:37 |
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| giulivo | ping jp_at_hp ^^ had to update it again cause in previous patchset I think I missed to check for ZUUL_REF | 17:48 |
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| Ng | lifeless: this business of hitting quota limits in nova, when deploying on big-boy numbers of machines, I'm wondering if setup-baremetal should take the $MEM/$DISK/$CPU values it knows about, count $NODES, multiply them all and set that as the quota? | 18:40 |
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| Ng | hrm, although we set the quotas to -1 in devtest_undercloud, so why was a quota being hit? | 18:42 |
| SpamapS | Ng: -1 | 18:44 |
| SpamapS | Ng: -1 is just a suggestion..was the snark my enter key ruined | 18:44 |
| Ng | SpamapS: I think -1 means unlimited | 18:44 |
| SpamapS | Yes it does | 18:46 |
| SpamapS | Ng: perhaps we're overriding the defaults somewhere else? | 18:46 |
| SpamapS | Ng: I believe there's a Noop quota driver too. | 18:46 |
| SpamapS | But that may be cheating ;) | 18:46 |
| SpamapS | oh wonderful. Canon has cancelled driver support in Linux for my printer. | 18:47 |
| Ng | SpamapS: time to upgrade to an awesome HP printer! :D | 18:49 |
| Ng | I can see a decent argument for a noop quota driver for the undercloud | 18:50 |
| Ng | it's a single user system and that single user reasonably expects to be able to deploy 100% of the available resources | 18:50 |
| bnemec | I'm not sure how any other quota driver makes sense for baremetal deployments. | 18:50 |
| bnemec | You're not limited by total memory or cpu, you're limited by how many physical machines you have that fit a given flavor. | 18:51 |
| Ng | bnemec: I can twist my brain to think of reasons to have quotas, but they would all depend on a multi-tenant undercloud, which seems way beyond our current scope/abilities | 18:52 |
| SpamapS | bnemec: Well there may come a time where two groups have one pool of hardware in one undercloud. | 18:52 |
| SpamapS | It's a stretch | 18:52 |
| SpamapS | noop is quite a bit simpler | 18:52 |
| Ng | agreed | 18:52 |
| bnemec | +1 | 18:52 |
| * SpamapS gives up trying to make the PPA that has drivers work.. and just downloads a windows VM. :-P | 18:53 | |
| SpamapS | sad.. this printer worked great | 18:53 |
| SpamapS | Right up until trusty | 18:53 |
| bnemec | The last time I resorted to a Windows VM for a printer, it turned out the printer was actually borked. | 18:53 |
| bnemec | I almost felt bad for swearing at CUPS. Almost. | 18:54 |
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| Ng | nooo, the HP Core party conflicts with Mirantis' kart racing party | 20:07 |
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| greghaynes | WAT! | 20:09 |
| slagle | kart racing? where is this? | 20:13 |
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| Ng | slagle: weirdly it's not on the summit schedule, but mirantis have my email from their previous parties. they just mailed me an eventbrite invite | 20:15 |
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| slagle | well i hope there's booze at the kart racing :) | 20:25 |
| slagle | always makes it more fun | 20:25 |
| Ng | what could possibly go wrong :) | 20:25 |
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| tchaypo | Giulivo: pong | 20:45 |
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| SpamapS | Ng: I've declined the HP core party.. so nyaa | 20:46 |
| mordred | Ng: I believe we've exceeded the threshold where any sensible plan for parties can be had | 20:46 |
| mordred | there are both more companies that want to throw more parties - and WAY more people than can fit at any of them | 20:46 |
| Ng | yes | 20:46 |
| mordred | I'm sort of hoping humans tell me where to go at night | 20:46 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: whatever you do, don't go anywhere that is named "Terminus" | 20:47 |
| mordred | SpamapS: what if someone tells me they have booze and hookers? | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | mordred: the booze is laced, the hookers will eat you. | 20:48 |
| tchaypo | bnemec: gilliard: I do like having two checkouts, but agree that it's weird and should not be the default first-timer experience. If people want a second checkout it's trivial for them to do that later | 20:48 |
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| untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 21:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1316985 | 21:00 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316985 in tripleo "set -eu may spuriously break dkms module" [Undecided,New] | 21:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1317117 | 21:00 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1317117 in tripleo "Error when USE_CIRROS=1" [Undecided,New] | 21:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1317156 | 21:00 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1317156 in tripleo "Horizon element uses script at level 100" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1314978 | 21:00 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1314978 in tripleo "Cloud vm not pingable after overcloud upgrade " [Undecided,New] | 21:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1315355 | 21:00 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1315355 in tripleo "Upgrade of overcloud failed with "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached"" [Undecided,New] | 21:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1314922 | 21:00 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1314922 in tripleo "ephemeral disk is mounted too late" [Undecided,New] | 21:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1316675 | 21:00 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316675 in tripleo "Saving a devtest VM results in error" [Undecided,In progress] | 21:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1317056 | 21:00 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1317056 in tripleo "Guest VM FS corruption after compute host reboot" [Undecided,New] | 21:00 |
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| lifeless | Ng: there's a patch to disable quotas; you could review that :) | 21:04 |
| lifeless | or maybe its landed :) | 21:05 |
| lifeless | bnemec: did you get time to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91198 ? | 21:06 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Was just considering slagle's comment on it. | 21:07 |
| bnemec | (and got distracted by all the untriaged bugs...) | 21:07 |
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| lifeless | ah, replied to slagle's comment | 21:08 |
| Ng | lifeless: hmm, I see a change for configuring nova quotas that was abandoned last week, but I'm not seeing anything else recent/relevant | 21:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Set more install types to package https://review.openstack.org/86950 | 21:13 |
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| bnemec | lifeless: Okay, I think I'm onboard with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91198/ | 21:32 |
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| bnemec | lifeless: Can you confirm that I'm not completely off base with my comment there? | 21:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Phil Neal proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Add Ceilometer to control node by default https://review.openstack.org/89625 | 21:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Phil Neal proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Add Ceilometer to control node by default https://review.openstack.org/89625 | 21:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Phil Neal proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-incubator: Add Ceilometer to control node by default https://review.openstack.org/89625 | 21:57 |
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| tchaypo | SpamapS: how are your walls btw? | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: walls? | 22:14 |
| tchaypo | When I first met you in person, you were fresh from knocking holes in them to see what was inside | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | Oh hah! | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | Right. | 22:15 |
| * tchaypo carefully phrases the story in such a way as to be as dramatic as possible | 22:15 | |
| SpamapS | Dry and mold free AFAICT | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | knocking is a bit inaccurate. I drilled a few 5mm wide holes and maybe one 1cm wide hole. ;) | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | Still need to patch the roof properly but it is plugged, and luckily California is in the middle of the worst drought in 100 years.. so rain concerns are .. minimal | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | oh look, bug 1313550 has a proposed fix | 22:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1313550 in maas "ping does not work as a normal user on trusty tarball cloud images." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313550 | 22:16 |
| tchaypo | In other news - I was about to ask what TOCI does wrt setting $TRIPLEO+ROOT | 22:17 |
| tchaypo | but then I remembered i can read the code and find out | 22:17 |
| tchaypo | so I'm going to go do that instead | 22:17 |
| SpamapS | tchaypo: fascinating | 22:18 |
| tchaypo | these single-character-followed-by-aas acronyms are confusing. | 22:20 |
| tchaypo | I'd thought that maas was monitoring-aas | 22:20 |
| tchaypo | was confused by why they'd be fixing ping there | 22:20 |
| tchaypo | as expected, toci_devtest.sh explicitly sets $TRIPLEO_ROOT. moving on. | 22:21 |
| stevebaker | lifeless: hey, could you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92035/ ? | 22:23 |
| lifeless | bnemec: replied there | 22:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Prince proposed a change to openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Add a squid element. https://review.openstack.org/91161 | 22:57 |
| tchaypo | SpamapS: lifeless: If you've got time, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92611/ is another attempt to fix first-timer confusion over $TRIPLEO_ROOT | 22:58 |
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| tchaypo | this time by removing the default value entirely and being explicit about forcing the user to set a value | 22:58 |
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| slagle | lifeless: i +A'd https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91198/ | 23:39 |
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| notq | running devtest_setup, getting an error that no distributions were found for keyring. "No distributions at all found for keyring>=1.6.1,<2.0,>=2.1 (from python-openstackclient)" | 23:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Potter proposed a change to openstack/diskimage-builder: Update README noting support for Debian base distribution element https://review.openstack.org/92729 | 23:55 |
| notq | apt-get shows a lot of packages that match keyring. there's a python-keyring i could install manaully. | 23:55 |
| lifeless | slagle: thanks | 23:59 |
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