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| tchaypo_ | It gets so quiet in here on the weekend | 08:33 |
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| SpamapS | tchaypo: :-P | 08:38 |
| SpamapS | Still recovering from 2 day meeting-bonanza :-P | 08:38 |
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| tchaypo | most australians are enjoying their long weekend | 08:41 |
| tchaypo | and also the fact that we just knighted our prince-consort | 08:41 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: weekend? | 08:43 |
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| tchaypo | lifeless: there was a weekend, right? I’m a bit vague on days-of-week but I’m pretty sure today is monday | 09:16 |
| tchaypo | either gerrit is not accepting connections on 29418, or the hotel I’m at block outbound connections to that port | 09:16 |
| openstackgerrit | James Polley proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Debugging aids for failed tar unpacking https://review.openstack.org/149688 | 09:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Giulio Fidente proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Add elements needed to configure Cinder with Ceph https://review.openstack.org/147135 | 09:34 |
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| jerryz | tchaypo: try switching to https. seems that you figured it out after all. | 09:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Dougal Matthews proposed openstack/python-tuskarclient: Remove Python 2.6 support https://review.openstack.org/149957 | 09:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Nicholas Randon proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Block os-apply-config until we get a completion signal https://review.openstack.org/149958 | 09:52 |
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| untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 10:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1413527 | 10:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1411497 | 10:00 |
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| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/1387487 | 10:00 |
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| tchaypo | jerryz: all i wanted to do was change a commit message, so I cheated and used the web ui :) | 10:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nicholas Randon proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Block os-apply-config until we get a completion signal https://review.openstack.org/149958 | 10:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/os-cloud-config: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/149473 | 10:33 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/os-collect-config: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/149973 | 10:33 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-tuskarclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/149982 | 10:34 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/tuskar: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/149491 | 10:35 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/tuskar-ui: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/149986 | 10:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Nicholas Randon proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Block os-apply-config until we get a completion signal https://review.openstack.org/149958 | 10:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jiri Tomasek proposed openstack/tuskar-ui: Add Roles rest api https://review.openstack.org/148865 | 11:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar-ui: Add tests for templatetags https://review.openstack.org/149311 | 11:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar-ui: Add test for the _get_role_data function https://review.openstack.org/149248 | 11:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar-ui: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/149986 | 12:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radomir Dopieralski proposed openstack/tuskar-ui: Tests for the plan validation https://review.openstack.org/148927 | 12:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar-ui: Add tests for nodes.forms https://review.openstack.org/149265 | 12:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jiri Tomasek proposed openstack/tuskar-ui: WIP Angular roles list https://review.openstack.org/150023 | 12:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radomir Dopieralski proposed openstack/tuskar-ui: Tests for the plan validation https://review.openstack.org/148927 | 13:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nicholas Randon proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Block os-apply-config until we get a completion signal https://review.openstack.org/149958 | 13:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/kolla: Various fixes to pre-commit hook https://review.openstack.org/148194 | 13:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar-ui: Added tests form tuskar_ui.infrastructure.flavors.utils https://review.openstack.org/148880 | 13:17 |
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| stannie42 | Hi, is there a way to use tripleO to have a mix vm/baremetal deployment? (e.g service a deployed on baremetal using nova-ironic, service b deployed on a VM using nova-kvm) | 13:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar-ui: Tests for the plan validation https://review.openstack.org/148927 | 13:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/os-net-config: Add sample and cli test for simple interface config https://review.openstack.org/147225 | 13:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/os-net-config: Fix test_cli exit code assertion https://review.openstack.org/147226 | 13:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/os-net-config: Derive sample location from test file, not pwd https://review.openstack.org/147227 | 13:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/os-net-config: test_cli add stderr/stdout sanity assertions https://review.openstack.org/147228 | 13:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-tuskarclient: Remove unused importutils module https://review.openstack.org/148506 | 14:01 |
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| ukalifon | Hello #tripleo. Is this a correct behavior or is it a bug: If I want to unregister a node, I have to power it off first. I can't unregister a node that's still on. This is very annoying, because people are working on this machine and I have to turn it off for them... | 14:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar-ui: Refactor StackMixin and RoleMixin https://review.openstack.org/148531 | 14:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tuskar-ui: Move tarball requirements to test-requirements.txt https://review.openstack.org/143045 | 14:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed stackforge/tripleo-ansible: Add configuration variable for os-config-refresh folder https://review.openstack.org/147034 | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed stackforge/tripleo-ansible: Make os-collect-config log location a variable https://review.openstack.org/147526 | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed stackforge/tripleo-ansible: Remove invalid os-collect-config call https://review.openstack.org/147527 | 14:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed stackforge/tripleo-ansible: Remove invalid os-collect-config call https://review.openstack.org/147527 | 14:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed stackforge/tripleo-ansible: Correct incorrect syntax on alternate logic path https://review.openstack.org/147658 | 14:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed stackforge/tripleo-ansible: Enable non-local IP binds for HAProxy https://review.openstack.org/147944 | 14:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed stackforge/tripleo-ansible: Reinstate multiple execution attempts of os-collect-config https://review.openstack.org/147948 | 14:56 |
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| TheJulia | ukalifon: That sounds intentional, almost along the lines of trying to prevent users from unregistering a running node that could be a key component of intrastucutre | 14:58 |
| dprince | shardy: I've just reviewed your os-net-config patches. In general looks good but a couple inline questions too. | 15:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed stackforge/tripleo-ansible: Reinstate multiple execution attempts of os-collect-config https://review.openstack.org/147948 | 15:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julia Kreger proposed stackforge/tripleo-ansible: Prevent unintended MySQL exit https://review.openstack.org/148684 | 15:05 |
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| shardy | dprince: thanks, I'll fix those issues and push a new series shortly | 15:13 |
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| untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 16:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1413527 | 16:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1411497 | 16:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1414200 | 16:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/1387487 | 16:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Haneef Ali proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Enable notification for keystone https://review.openstack.org/150095 | 17:10 |
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| devananda | anyone recall the ipmi retry timing values ya'll use and why? or what values cause problems and what ones dont? | 17:18 |
| devananda | the question's come up in #openstack-meeting-3 if anyone wants to chime in | 17:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ana Krivokapic proposed openstack/tuskar-ui: Refactor metering utility and view functions https://review.openstack.org/149671 | 17:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Prince proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Puppet: move LB configs onto LB resources https://review.openstack.org/149879 | 18:04 |
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| greghaynes | dprince: Hey, care to revisit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142529/ ? | 18:36 |
| dprince | greghaynes: sure, looking... | 18:37 |
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| dprince | greghaynes: those inline HERE docs make things a bit hard to read don't think. Not your fault... just saying | 18:39 |
| greghaynes | yeaa :/ | 18:40 |
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| greghaynes | I think im going to end up just making logging.conf templates for each service | 18:40 |
| greghaynes | but hopefully that can be later | 18:40 |
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| dprince | greghaynes: okay. so you've put in one big conditional such that if OS_DEBUG_LOGGING isn't set we default back to normal logging again? | 18:41 |
| greghaynes | yep | 18:41 |
| greghaynes | er, sorry | 18:41 |
| greghaynes | if it is set we do debug, if it is not then we do normal | 18:41 |
| greghaynes | so the default is the same as current | 18:41 |
| dprince | greghaynes: right. that sounds good I think. Let me kick the tires on it here... | 18:42 |
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| dprince | greghaynes: /usr/local/bin/os-svc-daemon: line 121: OS_DEBUG_LOGGING: unbound variable | 18:58 |
| dprince | greghaynes: -1 for that. otherwise its a go I think | 18:59 |
| greghaynes | dprince: kk, mostly just wanted to make sure it was non -2able now :) | 19:00 |
| greghaynes | tyty | 19:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-tuskarclient: Remove the unneeded coverage omit for the tests https://review.openstack.org/149184 | 19:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-tuskarclient: Remove Python 2.6 support https://review.openstack.org/149957 | 19:03 |
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| dprince | greghaynes: no, hopefully you didn't lose sleep over that | 19:03 |
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| dprince | greghaynes: -2 is me taking an interest in coming back to something. | 19:04 |
| dprince | greghaynes: well in this case it is :) | 19:05 |
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| greghaynes | hah, no slept lost, no worries | 19:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | greghaynes proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Allow enabling debug logs at build time https://review.openstack.org/142529 | 19:35 |
| openstackgerrit | greghaynes proposed openstack/tripleo-incubator: Allow setting OS_DEBUG_LOGGING https://review.openstack.org/149791 | 19:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jonathan Brownell proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Move horizon iptables script to run after os-apply-config init https://review.openstack.org/150127 | 19:56 |
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| jpeeler | dprince: i didn't realize that devtest_overcloud.sh launched an instance. is there a short cut to attempt to redeploy it since i'm getting "failure prepping block device"? | 19:57 |
| dprince | jpeeler: that would indicate an issue with the Cinder storage backend. | 19:58 |
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| dprince | jpeeler: devtest launches an instance in a manner such that the Glance image is on-the-fly converted into a Cinder volume | 19:59 |
| dprince | jpeeler: this increases our test coverage... | 19:59 |
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| dprince | jpeeler: to your initial question. You can re-run devtest_overcloud.sh and it will try a 'heat stack-update' automatically if it discovers an existing overcloud stack. | 20:00 |
| dprince | jpeeler: that is how I often add new features w/ Puppet. I just do repeated stack updates until it runs clean once. Then I do a "green field" from scatch deployment to make sure that works too. | 20:01 |
| dprince | jpeeler: very hackable | 20:01 |
| dprince | jpeeler: but for this specific error I'd look at the Cinder logs on your controller node | 20:01 |
| harmw | is there a reommnded way of undoing the actions instack-install-undercloud performs? such that I can re-run the script | 20:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Richard Su proposed openstack/tripleo-incubator: SELinux developer guide https://review.openstack.org/142270 | 20:08 |
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| bnemec | harmw: There isn't really a way besides starting over with a new vm/system. | 20:36 |
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| harmw | ok | 20:51 |
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| SpamapS | bnemec: hah, jinx | 21:01 |
| * bnemec guesses he knows what SpamapS is talking about without even checking the list. :-) | 21:02 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Move noop flag to provider base-class https://review.openstack.org/149291 | 21:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Add a --no-activate option to disable device up/down actions https://review.openstack.org/149294 | 21:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Refactor noop to enable logging of disabled operations https://review.openstack.org/149292 | 21:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Refactor ifup/ifdown into base-class https://review.openstack.org/149293 | 21:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Remove deprecated references to oslo-incubator https://review.openstack.org/138807 | 21:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Add a persist_mapping option to the mapping file https://review.openstack.org/148996 | 21:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Add mapping option to influence nicN mapping order https://review.openstack.org/147619 | 21:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Enable renaming of interfaces without reboot https://review.openstack.org/150147 | 21:13 |
| lifeless | bnemec: SpamapS: sheese; thanks for correcting me, but also - I think you missed the actual useful content in my email in your rush to correct me | 21:13 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Well, I had nothing to add regarding that part. You pretty much covered what it does and doesn't address. :-) | 21:16 |
| lifeless | hah | 21:16 |
| lifeless | I am glad to know thats its off in CI | 21:17 |
| bnemec | I was just a little concerned because it felt like there was some momentum toward the split venvs, and I don't know that it's a direction we should go exclusively. | 21:17 |
| lifeless | container per service takes us right back to that IMO | 21:18 |
| lifeless | but thats a different discussion | 21:18 |
| ccrouch | bnemec: and your reservations are related to build speed with multiple venvs? | 21:20 |
| lifeless | ccrouch: I read them as being concerned about binary package complications for Fedora etc | 21:20 |
| bnemec | ccrouch: lifeless: Yeah, that's my biggest worry. | 21:21 |
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| bnemec | Err, packaging. | 21:21 |
| bnemec | The performance is a drawback, but not a dealbreaker. | 21:21 |
| ccrouch | ack | 21:22 |
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| ccrouch | i guess having one big venv makes it easier than having a dozen and keeping all the versions in sync | 21:22 |
| bnemec | I don't know if it's even possible to build venvs with packages, and even if it is we would have to package a separate version for every venv that needs snowflake deps. | 21:22 |
| * ccrouch thinks we should move to containers and be done with it ;-) | 21:23 | |
| bnemec | I'm not sure containers solve the packaging problem though. :-/ | 21:24 |
| bnemec | If everyone depends on a different version of something you still have to package all of those different versions and somehow make them available to the container. | 21:24 |
| SpamapS | The images are also a few hundred MB smaller w/ one venv | 21:24 |
| lifeless | bnemec: containers are often independent golden images | 21:25 |
| lifeless | bnemec: so in principle, build each in parallel, load into glance independently, deploy separately from base | 21:25 |
| ccrouch | you are right bnemec, that it avoids the venv issue at least | 21:25 |
| SpamapS | Traditionally packagers and virtualenv have gotten along like Cobras and Mongooses. | 21:25 |
| lifeless | run magnum on the base host | 21:25 |
| lifeless | profit | 21:25 |
| lifeless | how we get magnum running in the first place still hurts my head in this model | 21:26 |
| ccrouch | s/that/but/ | 21:26 |
| SpamapS | The win in containers is they can be CoW copies of eachother. | 21:26 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Yeah, but if I want to build a container that depends on oslo.foo >1.0,<1.1 and one that depends on oslo.foo >1.2,<1.3 I still need two packages. | 21:26 |
| bnemec | Multiply that by 30 different services and you've got a potential giant headache. | 21:26 |
| SpamapS | so you can look at the things you want to build containers from, and build a container that is all the commonalities as a 'common' container, and then bolt the others on top | 21:27 |
| lifeless | bnemec: perhaps the model of distros and deps isn't up to the current dev realities? <meta> | 21:27 |
| ccrouch | bnemec: if your services fundamentally have different deps, then you can't avoid including different deps. You are right. | 21:27 |
| SpamapS | bnemec: I don't think anybody wants what you just described. But even so, package repositories have been known to keep multiple patch-level versions lying around at times. | 21:28 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Well, packaging does implicitly solve the unbounded deps problem. ;-) | 21:28 |
| bnemec | The version is fixed until a new package is built, and hopefully it gets tested before release. | 21:28 |
| lifeless | lol @ hopefully | 21:29 |
| SpamapS | given my experience | 21:29 |
| SpamapS | "potentially" is all I'll commit to | 21:29 |
| bnemec | It's okay, TripleO CI will catch it. :-D | 21:29 |
| ccrouch | SpamapS: that hurts :-p | 21:29 |
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| SpamapS | speaking of that... somewhere in the desperation to get CI running, we lost the desire to run a CD cloud or 4 ... | 21:30 |
| SpamapS | We're not actually CD'ing the CI clouds. | 21:30 |
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| bnemec | Yeah, I've actually thought about setting up a little cloud locally. | 21:31 |
| bnemec | Hardware though. | 21:32 |
| SpamapS | Why aren't we setting up the clouds we already have with it though? | 21:32 |
| SpamapS | we are pushing "go" and when it is done, never again do we touch it | 21:32 |
| bnemec | I suspect because CD broke too often. | 21:34 |
| bnemec | Which is :-( obviously. | 21:34 |
| SpamapS | But.. ;) | 21:34 |
| lifeless | well | 21:34 |
| lifeless | if update worked | 21:34 |
| SpamapS | update works now | 21:34 |
| SpamapS | you can update a failed stack | 21:34 |
| lifeless | it would have been easier | 21:34 |
| lifeless | sheese | 21:34 |
| SpamapS | But I'd rather use tripleo-ansible frankly | 21:34 |
| SpamapS | because heat can't do rolling | 21:34 |
| SpamapS | Either way, feels like we lost the "update a cloud constantly" thread. | 21:35 |
| bnemec | Yeah, for sure. | 21:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Enable renaming of interfaces without reboot https://review.openstack.org/150147 | 21:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Enable renaming of interfaces without reboot https://review.openstack.org/150147 | 21:42 |
| TheJulia | SpamapS: it would also be fairly trivial to leave a controller online the entire time, and to roll through compute nodes one by one or update them online. One thing though, a fix for 1367742 may be required before doing so. | 21:42 |
| SpamapS | TheJulia: "update them online" <-- that one. :) | 21:44 |
| TheJulia | Yeah, then we would have to be very nice to controllers and.... maybe somehow get the latest version of keepalived | 21:45 |
| TheJulia | SpamapS: so one thing I've also been pondering is something in ansible that can deploy dib elements to a running machine. | 21:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Enable renaming of interfaces without reboot https://review.openstack.org/150147 | 21:55 |
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| untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 22:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1414098 | 22:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/1387487 | 22:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1414723 | 22:00 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1409583 | 22:00 |
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| SpamapS | TheJulia: check out instack for that | 22:04 |
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| SpamapS | TheJulia: https://github.com/agroup/instack-undercloud | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | slagle: ^^ I'm trying to comprehend the instack docs and it's not exactly clear which piece runs elements on boxes that already exist. Halp? | 22:06 |
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| TheJulia | SpamapS: interesting... | 22:08 |
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| SpamapS | TheJulia: hm reading more it might not be what I thought it was | 22:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Enable renaming of interfaces without reboot https://review.openstack.org/150147 | 22:19 |
| bnemec | SpamapS: I think you're probably looking for https://github.com/agroup/instack | 22:21 |
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| SpamapS | bnemec: THATS the one | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | TheJulia: ^^ | 22:24 |
| slagle | yea, that | 22:25 |
| slagle | instack-undercloud is a specific use of instack to setup an undercloud | 22:25 |
| slagle | and a bunch of other stuff | 22:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack/os-net-config: Enable renaming of interfaces without reboot https://review.openstack.org/150147 | 22:27 |
| TheJulia | SpamapS: I was thinking more of a push and orchustrate via the push mechanism, but it looks quite handy and could possibly be used in such a mechanism quite easilly | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | o_O ... | 22:31 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: your network constraints patch like.. works | 22:31 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: I'm amazed | 22:31 |
| SpamapS | | 618b9767-31bf-4a24-9040-2a844b3cf186 | | 00:08:6e:38:eb:3b | {"subnet_id": "0426c428-03bc-41c5-a83f-bea68ebfd83e", "ip_address": "192.0.3.3"} | | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: | extra | {u'subnet_id': u'0426c428-03bc-41c5-a83f-bea68ebfd83e', u'vif_port_id': | | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | | | u'618b9767-31bf-4a24-9040-2a844b3cf186'} | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | woooot | 22:33 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: just need to add test coverage and write a spec. | 22:33 |
| * SpamapS realizes this is _EXACTLY_ backwards | 22:33 | |
| lifeless | SpamapS: ish :) | 22:35 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: thats the one I sketched up in Paris right? | 22:35 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: correct | 22:35 |
| lifeless | so yeah, wow. | 22:35 |
| SpamapS | rebased | 22:35 |
| lifeless | what tree was it in? Ironic? | 22:36 |
| lifeless | no, Nova | 22:36 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: haven't done broad testing, like testing what happens if you have a non-existant subnet ID | 22:36 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: all nova | 22:36 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I had to add the network_constraints_for_instance method to the ironic driver to pull the subnet_id out of extra, thats it though. | 22:36 |
| lifeless | very very cool | 22:37 |
| lifeless | nicely done | 22:37 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: not that it's any of my business.. | 23:52 |
| mordred | SpamapS: but if the patch is written and works - why write a spec? isn't a spec a tool to get general buy-in on an approach before someone starts work on the implementation? | 23:53 |
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