Wednesday, 2015-02-04

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yog_bnemec, greghaynes  would you be interested in reviewing the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149045/  .. its related to adding support for vmlinux file01:45
greghayneshrm, I thought I had already reviewed a patch like this01:46
yog_greghaynes, that was other one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149165/ ..01:47
greghaynesah yes!01:47
yog_greghaynes, this one is related to ramdisk ..01:47
yog_greghaynes, at present ramdisk create requires a vmlinuz file to be preset ..  this patch adds support for using vmlinux file too01:48
greghaynesyep, makes sense01:49
greghaynes+2'd01:49
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yog_greghaynes, thanks for the review .. :)01:51
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yog_it my first patch too.. has code contributor comment and all ;)01:52
greghayneshaha, I see. Welcome101:55
yog_:)01:56
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* greghaynes really wants to make a dib-elements repo02:18
greghaynesit would be nice to have a set of core elements that can be used to make a lot more than just base images and arent necessarially tripleo-specific02:20
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StevenKgreghaynes: Why not put them in dib directly if they're useful?02:30
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greghaynesThats definitely an option. I do like having the separation between the tool and resources the tool operates on02:32
greghaynesespecially because the elements could explode in size at that point02:32
* greghaynes made a nodepool element, btw02:33
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openstackgerritMichael Tupitsyn proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Support Keystone per-domain backend configuration  https://review.openstack.org/15276203:00
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untriaged-botUntriaged bugs so far:04:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/141618004:00
TempLPBugBot`Launchpad bug 1416180 in diskimage-builder "Grub install fails for Debian Wheezy on Centos 7" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]04:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/139685404:00
TempLPBugBot`Launchpad bug 1396854 in tripleo "fail to create an instance with specific ip" (affected: 5, heat: 22) [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Jerry Zhao (zhaoxinyu)04:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/141567404:00
TempLPBugBot`Launchpad bug 1415674 in tripleo "tripleo rabbitmq logrotate broken" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]04:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/140958304:00
TempLPBugBot`Launchpad bug 1409583 in tripleo "overcloud controller os-refresh-config abort because haproxy horizon failed to bind socket" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]04:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/138748704:00
TempLPBugBot`Launchpad bug 1387487 in tuskar " tripleo-image-elements/elements/tuskar-ui /os-refresh-config /post-configure.d/101-tuskar-ui needs authentication from Keystone" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]04:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/141524004:00
TempLPBugBot`Launchpad bug 1415240 in diskimage-builder "package-install-v2 breaks older distros" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] - Assigned to John Dewey (retr0h)04:00
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openstackgerritMartin André proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Fix init system detection on Docker images  https://review.openstack.org/15278505:20
openstackgerritMartin André proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Fix unbound variables in apt-{preferences,sources}  https://review.openstack.org/15278605:23
openstackgerritMartin André proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Add pkg-map for os-*-config  https://review.openstack.org/15279005:34
openstackgerritMartin André proposed stackforge/kolla: WIP Build docker images from diskimage elements  https://review.openstack.org/15201705:42
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/diskimage-builder: Add support for using local PowerPC VM image  https://review.openstack.org/14916506:40
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/diskimage-builder: ramdisk-image-create: add support for vmlinux file  https://review.openstack.org/14904506:51
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tchaypomy calendar says we have a tripleo meeting in 15 minutes07:45
tchaypoanyone else going to be around?07:45
greghaynesO/07:46
greghaynesslightly07:46
GheRiveroo/07:48
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StevenK\o07:50
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* greghaynes totally didnt just release the world as promised 5min before the next meeting07:54
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tchaypoI don’t suppose SpamapS will be around to run the meeting?07:57
greghayneswell, its midnight over here07:58
greghaynesand I think he sleeps sometimes07:58
tchaypohrm.07:58
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tchaypoanyone else want to volunteer?07:59
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greghayneslifeless: replied, basically my concern is that I thought there was an assumption that compute hosts were lest secure than the control plane08:45
greghayness/lest/less08:45
* greghaynes needs to bed08:46
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lifelessgreghaynes: they may be09:05
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Remove /opt/stack/{repo} files  https://review.openstack.org/9307709:48
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untriaged-botUntriaged bugs so far:10:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/141618010:00
TempLPBugBot`Launchpad bug 1416180 in diskimage-builder "Grub install fails for Debian Wheezy on Centos 7" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]10:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/139685410:00
TempLPBugBot`Launchpad bug 1396854 in tripleo "fail to create an instance with specific ip" (affected: 5, heat: 22) [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Jerry Zhao (zhaoxinyu)10:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/141567410:00
TempLPBugBot`Launchpad bug 1415674 in tripleo "tripleo rabbitmq logrotate broken" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]10:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/140958310:00
TempLPBugBot`Launchpad bug 1409583 in tripleo "overcloud controller os-refresh-config abort because haproxy horizon failed to bind socket" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]10:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/138748710:00
TempLPBugBot`Launchpad bug 1387487 in tuskar " tripleo-image-elements/elements/tuskar-ui /os-refresh-config /post-configure.d/101-tuskar-ui needs authentication from Keystone" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]10:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/141524010:00
TempLPBugBot`Launchpad bug 1415240 in diskimage-builder "package-install-v2 breaks older distros" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] - Assigned to John Dewey (retr0h)10:00
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Rabbitmq logrotate broken  https://review.openstack.org/15092510:43
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Puppet: Ceilometer controller support  https://review.openstack.org/14937614:28
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openstackgerritDan Prince proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Puppet: SNMP support for undercloud ceilometer  https://review.openstack.org/15195014:33
openstackgerritDan Prince proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Puppet: correct neutron metadata agents nova ip  https://review.openstack.org/15190414:33
openstackgerritDan Prince proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Puppet: move LB configs onto LB resources  https://review.openstack.org/14987914:33
openstackgerritDan Prince proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Puppet: Ntp support  https://review.openstack.org/14938214:33
openstackgerritDan Prince proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Puppet: wire in neutron_dnsmasq_options  https://review.openstack.org/15193714:33
openstackgerritDan Prince proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Puppet: Heat API and Engine  https://review.openstack.org/14975114:33
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openstackgerritBrad P. Crochet proposed openstack/python-tuskarclient: Migrate from the Manager in Tuskar common to oslo  https://review.openstack.org/14918315:40
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egaffordEmilienM|afk, dprince, SpamapS: Hi all. On Sahara integration: I'm working my way through the Heat templates, but there's a fundamental question that I need to answer first. From example, it looks like the Sahara process likely wants to run on the controller node itself (and thus that the controller node image should be built with the Sahara element.) However, it'd certainly be possible to have Sahara run in a separate VM from the c15:40
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untriaged-botUntriaged bugs so far:16:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/141618016:00
TempLPBugBotLaunchpad bug 1416180 in diskimage-builder "Grub install fails for Debian Wheezy on Centos 7" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]16:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/139685416:00
TempLPBugBotLaunchpad bug 1396854 in tripleo "fail to create an instance with specific ip" (affected: 5, heat: 22) [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Jerry Zhao (zhaoxinyu)16:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/141567416:00
TempLPBugBotLaunchpad bug 1415674 in tripleo "tripleo rabbitmq logrotate broken" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]16:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/140958316:00
TempLPBugBotLaunchpad bug 1409583 in tripleo "overcloud controller os-refresh-config abort because haproxy horizon failed to bind socket" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]16:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/138748716:00
TempLPBugBotLaunchpad bug 1387487 in tuskar " tripleo-image-elements/elements/tuskar-ui /os-refresh-config /post-configure.d/101-tuskar-ui needs authentication from Keystone" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]16:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/141524016:00
TempLPBugBotLaunchpad bug 1415240 in diskimage-builder "package-install-v2 breaks older distros" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] - Assigned to John Dewey (retr0h)16:00
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openstackgerritBen Nemec proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Bump to hacking 0.10  https://review.openstack.org/15270116:09
openstackgerritBen Nemec proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Allow elements to add drivers to dracut  https://review.openstack.org/15177816:09
openstackgerritBen Nemec proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Refactor deploy ramdisk to allow use of targetcli  https://review.openstack.org/15177916:09
openstackgerritBrad P. Crochet proposed openstack/python-tuskarclient: Migrate from the Manager in Tuskar common to oslo  https://review.openstack.org/14918316:12
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egaffordEmilienM: Restating a question from a bit ago. On Sahara integration: I'm working my way through the Heat templates, but there's a fundamental question that I need to answer first. From example, it looks like the Sahara process likely wants to run on the controller node itself (and thus that the controller node image should be built with the Sahara element.) However, it'd certainly be possible to have Sahara run in a separate VM fro16:21
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EmilienMegafford: I see, so you may need a flexibility to setup this service on another node, right?16:28
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bnemecRuh roh: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement oslo.messaging>=1.6.016:46
bnemecLooks like maybe all of our CI jobs are failing on that right now.16:46
egaffordEmilienM: Well, that's the question. It looks like at the moment, all services for the overcloud run on the controller node(s). However, Sahara isn't a core service, and certainly could run on another node. As there aren't a lot of services in TripleO yet which are "optional", though, I don't have much of a baseline. I think Sahara should just run on the controller node with everything else, but I thought I should ask, in case the T16:48
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egaffordEmilienM: I'm not certain how much thought has been put into this sort of question yet, and what discussions/plans have already happened.16:50
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EmilienMegafford: I'm not the best guy to help you on this - dprince, SpamapS or any TripleO folks here can help though16:50
egaffordCool.16:50
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egafforddprince, SpamapS: ^ ^ Conversation started ~30min ago, egafford and EmilienM. Any thoughts?16:51
bnemecegafford: I think Cinder and Swift are currently treated in a similar way.  They can run on the controller node or they can run on standalone nodes.16:52
egaffordbnemec: Okay, perhaps I'm missing something in terms of the hooks to allow that flexibility. Will check; thanks.16:53
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dprinceegafford: reading back now...17:08
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openstackgerritMichael Tupitsyn proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Support Keystone per-domain backend configuration  https://review.openstack.org/15276217:20
SpamapSegafford: in Helion, we run Trove and Designate as vms inside the overcloud.17:20
SpamapSegafford: We just build a Designate-only image and a Trove-only image, and have specific heat templates for those.17:20
SpamapSegafford: for you, just do the same for Sahara. We've been driving composability from the beginning for exactly this purpose.17:21
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dprinceegafford: I'm not super familiar w/ sahara. You might put it on its own node like bnemec suggested.17:22
SpamapSIt works almost exactly like Trove.17:23
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SpamapSspins up and down compute instances with an agent on it for the express purpose of running {x}17:24
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egaffordSpamapS, dprince: SpamapS is completely correct in re: comparison to Trove. Sahara is just spinning up and wrapping data processing clusters instead of databases.17:25
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dprinceegafford: okay. so it could go anywhere really.17:26
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egaffordSpamapS, dprince: On those lines, I see that there is a Trove tripleo-image-element, but that it doesn't seem to be supported (yet?) in the heat templates. Is the Trove tripleo-image-element in a good state? I based my Sahara element on it, and seemed to have success, but if there are known problems with the Trove element, or if it's in an early or bad state, that'd be good to know.17:26
egafforddprince: Yes, it could.17:26
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dprinceegafford: yeah, I don't see any heat template work for trove yet17:29
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egaffordSpamapS: You note that Helion has templates for Trove: are those open source, or otherwise available for reference? I didn't find them on a quick search.17:32
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SpamapSegafford: I think they're probably open source but only exist inside the product because they've only just been developed recently.17:33
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Adjust Test env requirements  https://review.openstack.org/15219217:39
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openstackgerritJames Slagle proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Use sudo -E when squashing package installs files  https://review.openstack.org/15300918:28
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openstackgerritMichael Tupitsyn proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Support Keystone per-domain backend configuration  https://review.openstack.org/15276219:24
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dprinceEmilienM: do you think package installing in puppet should be enabled in TripleO by default for puppet?19:41
EmilienMdprince: what is default without puppet?19:42
harmwslagle: python -m ironic_discoverd.client introspect $nodeid --auth-token $token throws a 40019:42
EmilienMdprince: is tripleo taking care of packaging? or rely on DIB ?19:42
dprinceEmilienM: puppet can support either mode: using packages pre-installed by DIB, or installing packages at deployment time. I'm asking your thoughts on the default behavior19:43
EmilienMdprince: I would say, default is to not using packaging tool19:44
dprinceslagle, bnemec, jdob: thoughts ? ^^^19:44
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slaglei'd rather see it done at build time19:46
jdobi'd say deployment time, i think it'll be an easier transition to supporting splitting services across nodes19:46
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slaglei like pre-installing everything, and then having puppet only enable the services that should be running on the node19:50
slaglebut i keep hearing how "OMG if a sysadmin sees a disabled service, they're going to assume it should be started, and then do so"19:50
jdobi'm not opposed to it, and thats the model i'm hearing from above too19:50
jdobi've been conditioned to think admins are super anal rententive19:51
jdoband not so much it should be started as it shouldnt exist if its not used19:51
harmwwhats wrong with a disabled service?19:51
harmwif I want it active, Ill make sure its enabled19:51
slaglei would assume most people would do the same :)19:51
harmwso whats the problem then19:52
jdobharmw: perhaps nothing; never been an admin myself, it's just the stance i've heard of in the past19:52
slaglethat some people prefer to not have it installed if it's disabled19:52
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jdobbut i think that mostly revolves around security implications19:52
jdoband given that they are buying into the packages anyway, just on a different node19:52
harmwwell, there's nothing wrong with that either slagle  :)19:52
jdobthat may be minimized in this case19:52
openstackgerritJames Polley proposed openstack/os-cloud-config: Set kernel and ramdisk ID for ironic nodes  https://review.openstack.org/14121719:52
slaglei'd rather build 1 image with everything already installed that i could use for any role type19:53
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slaglevs deploying 1 image to 100 different nodes, then having it customized per role19:53
harmwI think it depends on a lot of factors, or just taste19:54
jdobya, in this case, dprince is just talking default19:54
jdoband i see slagle's point; esp for a default, that feels simpler to do at build time19:54
harmwwell, even more of n argumnt could be perhapts the use-case; since you guys are building images for the masses19:55
harmwwhich makes it valid to stash more things in it19:55
harmwinstead of keeping it clean19:55
dprinceslagle: the image size will be noticably larger for everything though19:55
SpamapSslagle: This is entirely philsophical and I don't think has a right answer.19:56
SpamapSone side of coin: Have only what is needed on the box, to reduce surface area.19:56
dprinceregardless of whether we build 1 image or many I'm really only talking about whether our image has the packages pre-installed or not.19:56
SpamapSother side of coin: Have everything that might be needed, to increase flexibility.19:57
dprinceI'm going to make it easily configurable either way because... I can.19:57
dprinceSo all this is about is the default behavior19:57
SpamapSThere is one constant though: It is much harder to remove things, than to add things.19:57
slagleoh yea, it's definitely a preference thing19:57
SpamapSWhich is why I lean toward never installing things that aren't needed immediately.19:57
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SpamapSBecause even when you think something isn't needed it takes time and effort to verify you can remove it if the time comes to remove it.19:58
SpamapSIf it was never there: time and effort saved. :)19:58
dprinceSpamapS: I'm almost certain we may want both of these options. The fact is doing a "brown feild" upgrade via puppet is very easy19:59
dprinceSpamapS: goes against image based deployment ideas but this is actually how I started and I'd like to keep it working20:00
SpamapSdprince: absolutely.20:06
SpamapSOnly qualifying my preference, not any set way that must be adhered to.20:06
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mordredfwiw - I'm pushing towards dib-produced base images for infra that have even less in them than the normal cloud base images- except with puppet and an ssh key added20:08
mordrednot that that matters in any contexts20:08
mordredbut I figured I'd inject a preference :)20:08
dprincemordred: a minimialist!20:08
dprincemordred: sounds like a reasonable plan to me.20:09
mordreddprince: cause yeah - turns out puppet can get the node where I need it - as long as I can get puppet run on it20:09
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-image-elements: NTP service can fail or be slow to stop  https://review.openstack.org/15257420:14
SpamapSmordred: is the puppet just a legacy that eventually goes away if we rewrite _everything_ in ansible? ;)20:15
harmwslagle: woohoo, I've got a node discovered :)20:15
slagleharmw: nice20:15
harmwwell, it said that and powered down :)20:16
harmwhm, it didn't update things like RAM or available cores20:16
mordredSpamapS: I'd like to see that personally - not because I have anything against puppet, but puppetlabs keep releasing incompatible versions which is very frustrating in production20:18
harmwoh wait, thre was some kind of HTTP/400 in the node20:18
dprincemordred: what is to say Ansible isn't going to do the same thing?20:18
mordredSpamapS: however, it turns out that infra has 61 repos worth of puppet modules ... so "everything" is rather large20:18
mordreddprince: nothing20:19
dprincemordred: grass might be greener... here20:19
mordreddprince: other than up until now at least, Michael has been EXTREMELY conservative around breaking changes20:19
mordreddprince: but this is why "rewrite all the existing working puppet" is pretty low on my list of priorities20:19
mordredespecially once I get us off of puppetmaster and just to ansible-driven puppet apply everywhere20:19
mordredbecause it's the upgrade master vs. upgrade clients incompat that was a nightmare last time20:20
mordred(there was no sequence you could upgrade master and client in such that you could continue to operate without manual intervention)20:20
dprincemordred: ++ to getting rid of the puppetmaster20:20
mordreddprince: I actually _really_ like ansible orchestrated sets of single-machine puppet - it works super well20:21
dprincemordred: I've never used a puppet master myself for these reasons20:21
openstackgerritMerged stackforge/tripleo-ansible: Add basic test script  https://review.openstack.org/14912120:21
dprincemordred: I'm liking the Heat orchestrated puppet for the same reasons20:21
mordreddprince: ++20:21
SpamapSmordred: Yeah it was quite facetious. THe reason we like ansible is it lets us do things with what we already have.20:22
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mordred++20:25
harmwany specific reason for using ansible instead of salt?20:26
SpamapSharmw: many specific reasons20:26
mordreddprince: don't know if you've seen this code - but this is what it takes me to consistently call puppet and respond to errors: https://github.com/emonty/ansible-puppet/blob/master/library/puppet#L74-L10920:26
harmwSpamapS: cool, do tell20:26
SpamapStop two: uses proven crypto (ssh). requires no agents other than python.20:27
mordreddprince: my favorite is "2 == success with changes"20:27
harmwyep, those would be the first I'd think as well20:27
SpamapSAlso follows unix design philosophy more closely: Do one thing well, use text(JSON) to allow infinite extensibility.20:28
dprincemordred: oh, yeah. we rely on the same --detailed-exit codes for the Heat hooks as well.20:28
dprincemordred: that is what you call overloading (I think)20:28
mordreddprince: yah.20:28
mordreddprince: but my favorite part is that 1 means two different things and you can only tell which by parsing the error string20:29
mordreddprince: so they overloaded on one, and didn't overload the other ... it's just a massive pile of epic fail20:29
dprincemordred: well, you should use puppet apply instead.20:29
mordreddprince: yah - not there yet though20:29
mordreddprince: it's on my TDL20:29
dprincemordred: then I don't think you'd have to worry bout that20:29
SpamapSOr they could change it20:30
SpamapSbut then that would be incompatible20:30
mordreddprince: I'm waiting until I've got us launching nodes with ansible instead of by hand20:30
SpamapScall that puppet 420:30
mordreddprince: because right now I use the puppet cert list to get the ansible inventory20:30
mordredand I want to use nova20:30
mordredonce I can do that - then I've removed the last place where it's important for me to have the puppetmaster sitting there20:31
mordredand the "replace agent with apply" patch will be fairly easy20:31
dprincemordred: yep20:31
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openstackgerritMichael Tupitsyn proposed openstack/tripleo-image-elements: Support Keystone per-domain backend configuration  https://review.openstack.org/15276221:49
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untriaged-botUntriaged bugs so far:22:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/141618022:00
TempLPBugBotLaunchpad bug 1416180 in diskimage-builder "Grub install fails for Debian Wheezy on Centos 7" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]22:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/139685422:00
TempLPBugBotLaunchpad bug 1396854 in tripleo "fail to create an instance with specific ip" (affected: 5, heat: 22) [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Jerry Zhao (zhaoxinyu)22:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/141567422:00
TempLPBugBotLaunchpad bug 1415674 in tripleo "tripleo rabbitmq logrotate broken" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]22:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/140958322:00
TempLPBugBotLaunchpad bug 1409583 in tripleo "overcloud controller os-refresh-config abort because haproxy horizon failed to bind socket" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]22:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/138748722:00
TempLPBugBotLaunchpad bug 1387487 in tuskar " tripleo-image-elements/elements/tuskar-ui /os-refresh-config /post-configure.d/101-tuskar-ui needs authentication from Keystone" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]22:00
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/141524022:00
TempLPBugBotLaunchpad bug 1415240 in diskimage-builder "package-install-v2 breaks older distros" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] - Assigned to John Dewey (retr0h)22:00
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/diskimage-builder: setfiles consistently  https://review.openstack.org/14978622:56
greghaynesCI is unhappy23:00
greghayneshttp://goodsquishy.com/downloads/tripleo-jobs.html23:00
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