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untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 04:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1510901 | 04:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1510901 in tripleo "seed's nova-compute service start fail" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Cameron.C (cameron-c) | 04:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1511715 | 04:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1511715 in diskimage-builder "Images using draycut should have the option to pass drivers to include in build" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Julia Kreger (juliaashleykreger) | 04:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1513508 | 04:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1513508 in diskimage-builder "Ironic IPA does not work when Swift is using https" [Undecided,New] | 04:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1505900 | 04:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1505900 in diskimage-builder "Failed to create 'wily' release with DIB_RELEASE" [Undecided,New] | 04:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1504263 | 04:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1504263 in tripleo "os-net-config mapping by MAC fails if trying to map in alternate order" [Undecided,Triaged] | 04:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1509148 | 04:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1509148 in tripleo "keystone initialize fails if undercloud can't reach overcloud public vip" [Undecided,New] | 04:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Graeme Gillies proposed openstack/os-cloud-config: Add wol ironic driver support https://review.openstack.org/213956 | 05:05 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/diskimage-builder: Clarify what fedora-minimal/install.d/99-ramdisk is doing https://review.openstack.org/239582 | 05:14 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/diskimage-builder: Fix fedora-minimal kernel-install on older platforms https://review.openstack.org/239583 | 05:14 |
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jaosorior | tremble: Didn't figure out a way to use get_file there | 06:25 |
tremble | jaosorior: once I'm on the VPN (with easy access to email) I'll send you some alternative versions | 06:26 |
jaosorior | sure | 06:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Remove unused RELEASE_RPMS variable https://review.openstack.org/234971 | 07:17 |
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jaosorior | shardy: Are you around? | 08:07 |
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shardy | jaosorior: Hi, yup I am now | 08:33 |
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cmyster | morning shardy | 08:33 |
shardy | g'morning cmyster | 08:34 |
jaosorior | shardy: would upgrading the overcloud-without-mergepy.yaml to 2016-04-08 be an option in master? | 08:34 |
jaosorior | the usage of map_merge would be really nice :P | 08:35 |
shardy | jaosorior: yes, now we have stable/liberty branches that should be possible | 08:35 |
shardy | ideally, we'd get the stable CI and a basic upgrade job in place first | 08:35 |
shardy | but if it's a blocker then I'd say it's OK to do now | 08:35 |
shardy | just bear in mind nothing using 2016-04-08 features can be backported to stable/liberty | 08:36 |
jaosorior | sure | 08:36 |
jaosorior | tremble: I got your mail | 08:36 |
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tremble | jaosorior: :) | 08:36 |
jaosorior | so you're proposing just injecting the same cert/key to all the controllers? | 08:37 |
tremble | jaosorior: yeah, however, still pass the index in, so that people can customize if they have a complex usecase | 08:38 |
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jaosorior | tremble: By the way, do you have any opinion on the costumization of the destination cert path? | 08:40 |
tremble | jaosorior: No feelings either way | 08:41 |
tremble | shardy: How do you feel, should we expose parameters we don't expect people to change? | 08:42 |
cmyster | +1 | 08:42 |
shardy | tremble: I normally lean towards not exposing a parameter unless it's fairly clear it'll need to be modifified in some cases | 08:43 |
cmyster | from a user point of view, options are nice, but should be well documented. | 08:44 |
shardy | that said, if it's only in a nested template (e.g accessible via parameter_defaults rather than wired in via overcloud-without-mergepy.yaml) it's probably OK to add a parameter to the nested template, with the expected default | 08:44 |
shardy | tremble: got a link to the example under discussion? | 08:46 |
tremble | shardy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241200/7/puppet/extraconfig/tls/ca-inject.yaml <- bnemec's comment | 08:46 |
tremble | And the "previous change" is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231930/36 (more comments there too) | 08:48 |
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shardy | tremble: I guess the point is, we don't support debian atm, and nobody is stepping up to add that support right now (are they?) | 08:50 |
shardy | While I'd love to see that change, I can see bnemec's point which is it's confusing to add options which we don't expect to actually work | 08:50 |
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tremble | shardy: yeah, I have no strong feelings either way | 08:51 |
shardy | Personally, I'd probably remove the parameter, and the inject-trust-anchor-debian.yaml environment file | 08:51 |
tremble | jaosorior: That sounds like 2 +2's saying "no need for the extra complexity" | 08:52 |
shardy | and maybe start an etherpad with a list of known issues wrt debian integration | 08:52 |
jaosorior | my only argument is that if we hardcode too much things to be red-hat distros only, it'll hinder anyone else wanting to step in. As this will create more work for them | 08:52 |
jaosorior | So it doesn't seem like a very inclusive practice IMO | 08:53 |
* tremble nods, and there's no reason why you couldn't create a debian version of the template rather than a debian environment | 08:53 | |
shardy | jaosorior: that's true, but until someone steps up to maintain a debian version, we don't even know if e.g they'd want to use puppet | 08:54 |
openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Fixup RPM db path when building Fedora on Ubuntu https://review.openstack.org/238773 | 08:54 |
shardy | so it's seems somewhat cleaner if we defer that discussion until it actually happens | 08:54 |
shardy | I'm totally +1 on supporting non-redhat distros though, it's just nobody right now has the bandwidth to do it | 08:55 |
jaosorior | alright | 08:56 |
jaosorior | will change it then | 08:57 |
shardy | A compromise could be to leave the parameters in place, but remove the environment file (and the reference to the parameter in the environment file remaining) | 08:57 |
shardy | that makes it a little clearer it's not something we expect folks to routinely modify | 08:58 |
* tremble prefers that approach ^ | 08:58 | |
jaosorior | yeah, that actually makes more sense | 08:59 |
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* tremble thanks shardy for his input. | 09:03 | |
jaosorior | yeah shardy, thanks dude | 09:04 |
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shardy | Simple docs patch needs another +2/A if anyone has a moment | 09:11 |
shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238600/ | 09:11 |
shardy | (documents installing stable/liberty TripleO) | 09:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Make CloudName available for Endpoints https://review.openstack.org/239960 | 09:32 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Refacter Endpoints into EndpointMap https://review.openstack.org/238887 | 09:32 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable trust anchor injection https://review.openstack.org/241200 | 09:33 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Expose the IP of the Endpoints https://review.openstack.org/241274 | 09:33 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add the GlanceRegistry and Horizon endpoints to EndpointMap https://review.openstack.org/240497 | 09:33 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Pass the endpoint ports and protocols through to hiera https://review.openstack.org/240498 | 09:33 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Use PCS's maintenance mode while updating configuration https://review.openstack.org/242141 | 09:33 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable TLS deployment for the Overcloud https://review.openstack.org/231930 | 09:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/diskimage-builder: Remove unused RELEASE_RPMS variable https://review.openstack.org/234971 | 09:38 |
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untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 10:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1510901 | 10:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1510901 in tripleo "seed's nova-compute service start fail" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Cameron.C (cameron-c) | 10:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1511715 | 10:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1511715 in diskimage-builder "Images using draycut should have the option to pass drivers to include in build" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Julia Kreger (juliaashleykreger) | 10:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1513508 | 10:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1513508 in diskimage-builder "Ironic IPA does not work when Swift is using https" [Undecided,New] | 10:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1505900 | 10:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1505900 in diskimage-builder "Failed to create 'wily' release with DIB_RELEASE" [Undecided,New] | 10:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1504263 | 10:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1504263 in tripleo "os-net-config mapping by MAC fails if trying to map in alternate order" [Undecided,Triaged] | 10:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1509148 | 10:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1509148 in tripleo "keystone initialize fails if undercloud can't reach overcloud public vip" [Undecided,New] | 10:00 |
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jaosorior | shardy: for the get_file command in heat, what does the path have to be relative to? | 10:02 |
jaosorior | I've tried absolute path and a path relative to where I ran the command, and still I get errors | 10:02 |
tremble | jaosorior: IIRC it's relative to the template that's consuming it... | 10:03 |
jaosorior | so no absolute paths? | 10:03 |
tremble | I think absolute paths should work too. | 10:03 |
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jaosorior | tremble: Seems that get_file can't be used with get_param http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/hot_spec.html#get-file | 10:08 |
tremble | Oh, sucky | 10:08 |
jaosorior | now I remember why I had done it the way I did in the beginning, copying the content of the certs and keys | 10:08 |
tremble | Yeah when I was testing it was hard coded. | 10:08 |
jaosorior | should have written that down somewhere | 10:08 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Make CloudName available for Endpoints https://review.openstack.org/239960 | 10:09 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Refacter Endpoints into EndpointMap https://review.openstack.org/238887 | 10:09 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable trust anchor injection https://review.openstack.org/241200 | 10:09 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Expose the IP of the Endpoints https://review.openstack.org/241274 | 10:09 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add the GlanceRegistry and Horizon endpoints to EndpointMap https://review.openstack.org/240497 | 10:09 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Pass the endpoint ports and protocols through to hiera https://review.openstack.org/240498 | 10:09 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Use PCS's maintenance mode while updating configuration https://review.openstack.org/242141 | 10:09 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable TLS deployment for the Overcloud https://review.openstack.org/231930 | 10:09 |
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jaosorior | So now there are two options. Either we pass the content of the certs and keys, or we hardcode a path to get them from | 10:10 |
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tremble | jaosorior: I guess we pass the content | 10:11 |
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jaosorior | uhm... unless get_file works on the environments | 10:12 |
openstackgerrit | Derek Higgins proposed openstack/tripleo-common: Install git-remote-hg in place of git-hg https://review.openstack.org/243506 | 10:12 |
jaosorior | any idea if it does? | 10:13 |
tremble | jaosorior: it doesn't, I tried that | 10:14 |
tremble | might actually be a nice RFE for environments to be able to "include" files. | 10:15 |
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shardy | tremble: IIRC there is already an RFE about that, I'll try to find it for you | 10:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Make CloudName available for Endpoints https://review.openstack.org/239960 | 10:22 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Refacter Endpoints into EndpointMap https://review.openstack.org/238887 | 10:22 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable trust anchor injection https://review.openstack.org/241200 | 10:22 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Expose the IP of the Endpoints https://review.openstack.org/241274 | 10:22 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add the GlanceRegistry and Horizon endpoints to EndpointMap https://review.openstack.org/240497 | 10:22 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Pass the endpoint ports and protocols through to hiera https://review.openstack.org/240498 | 10:22 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Use PCS's maintenance mode while updating configuration https://review.openstack.org/242141 | 10:22 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable TLS deployment for the Overcloud https://review.openstack.org/231930 | 10:22 |
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shardy | tremble: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-heat-liberty-template-format | 10:32 |
shardy | it was discussed in vancouver, but I currently can't find a spec | 10:32 |
tremble | probably means it never happened :( | 10:33 |
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tremble | shardy: What I specifically would have liked is the ability to do is "parameter_defaults: { certificate_contents: get_file { 'my-cert.crt' } }" in an environment file. | 10:35 |
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shardy | tremble: ack, we probably should enable that, as well as referencing a default in the parameter definition via get_file | 10:43 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Make CloudName available for Endpoints https://review.openstack.org/239960 | 10:48 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Refacter Endpoints into EndpointMap https://review.openstack.org/238887 | 10:48 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable trust anchor injection https://review.openstack.org/241200 | 10:48 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Expose the IP of the Endpoints https://review.openstack.org/241274 | 10:48 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add the GlanceRegistry and Horizon endpoints to EndpointMap https://review.openstack.org/240497 | 10:48 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Pass the endpoint ports and protocols through to hiera https://review.openstack.org/240498 | 10:48 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Use PCS's maintenance mode while updating configuration https://review.openstack.org/242141 | 10:48 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable TLS deployment for the Overcloud https://review.openstack.org/231930 | 10:48 |
jaosorior | tremble: alright, that version doesn't require a list of certs/keys ^^ | 10:49 |
tremble | :) | 10:49 |
jaosorior | the nodeindex is still there in case someone needs the list though | 10:50 |
openstackgerrit | Jaume Devesa proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add simple linux bridge as network environment https://review.openstack.org/243531 | 10:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/diskimage-builder: Fixup RPM db path when building Fedora on Ubuntu https://review.openstack.org/238773 | 11:03 |
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tremble | shardy: spredzy's change which moves t-h-t to using puppet for managing the endpoints/services/etc triggers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-keystone/+bug/1514795 on upgrades | 11:16 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1514795 in puppet-keystone "Changes to keystone_service doesn't trigger a refresh of keystone_endpoint" [Undecided,New] | 11:16 |
openstackgerrit | Jaume Devesa proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add simple linux bridge as network environment https://review.openstack.org/243531 | 11:18 |
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shardy | tremble: Ok, I thought we were going to revert that pending further testing FWIW | 11:27 |
tremble | shardy: It ended up with its sister patch pushed too | 11:28 |
tremble | shardy: and no revert | 11:28 |
tremble | shardy: Hence me informing you :/ | 11:28 |
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shardy | I +2'd the revert | 11:35 |
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shardy | let's discuss it at the meeting later | 11:36 |
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tremble | shardy: The quick and dirty fix would be to ensure that the service names and descriptions that get passed to puppet match the old defaults. | 11:40 |
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openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add option to add metadata for the overcloud nodes https://review.openstack.org/243550 | 11:52 |
openstackgerrit | Jaume Devesa proposed openstack/tripleo-puppet-elements: Adding networking MidoNet element https://review.openstack.org/232551 | 11:53 |
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jaosorior | shardy: I added a patch that enables the setting of metadata for the servers deployed by the overcloud. It's quite simple: Just exposes a json parameter called ServerMetadata that will be passed down to every isntance of OS::Nova::Server. | 12:27 |
jaosorior | The reason I added that was because some nova hooks need custom metadata to be set. And I didn't see a way of setting it. Does that make sense? | 12:28 |
jaosorior | Or, is there something else I should consider? | 12:28 |
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openstackgerrit | Jiri Tomasek proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add capabilities map https://review.openstack.org/242439 | 12:53 |
shardy | jaosorior: Hey, yeah that looks fine, what's the use-case exactly? | 12:56 |
shardy | jaosorior: we've until now only used the heat metadata server, because it's somewhat less confusing when the per-server metadata is coming only from one place | 12:57 |
shardy | but passing metadata to nova seems reasonable if there's a need for it | 12:57 |
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jaosorior | shardy: The usage is interacting with nova hooks; Which is something that the IdM integration requires | 13:03 |
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jaosorior | shardy: Actually, that's why I asked about the map_merge part. Since at some point I would like to have metadata that's only specific for controllers, and that could be merged with the metadata that's for all the nodes | 13:04 |
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shardy | jaosorior: Yeah, whether we need per-role metadata was a question I just added to the review | 13:04 |
jaosorior | Probably per-node metadata will be preferable. But that patch can be potentially back-ported if needed. And a subsequent one adding per-role metadata wouldn't be, due to the map_merge | 13:06 |
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shardy | jaosorior: ack, I was just thinking the same thing | 13:06 |
shardy | it'd align well with the ExtraConfig parameters too | 13:06 |
shardy | e.g if we start with a generic/global parameter, then add the per-role ones | 13:06 |
jaosorior | that sounds good | 13:07 |
jaosorior | anyway, thanks for the feedback, I'll update the CR with your suggestions | 13:07 |
shardy | jaosorior: thanks, I'm +2 if we can just put "Nova" somewhere in the description | 13:07 |
openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add option to add metadata for the overcloud nodes https://review.openstack.org/243550 | 13:12 |
jaosorior | shardy: Done | 13:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient: Do not try to introspect nodes in maintenance mode and associated ones https://review.openstack.org/235148 | 13:18 |
openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient: [WIP] Support new ironic "enroll" state https://review.openstack.org/235158 | 13:18 |
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gfidente | shardy, on backporting changes | 13:44 |
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hewbrocca | tripleo folks, I have a question | 13:51 |
hewbrocca | it may be more heat-ish than tripleo-ish, but I'll try here first | 13:51 |
hewbrocca | Suppose someone does a tripleo deployment | 13:52 |
hewbrocca | and then all unwitting-like updates it via some other means | 13:52 |
hewbrocca | they go roll their own upgrade or something like that | 13:52 |
hewbrocca | in the end, their cloud is updated, to a known state, but Heat is out of sync | 13:53 |
hewbrocca | is there a way to get Heat back into sync with a deployment that has "drifted" like this? | 13:53 |
hewbrocca | even a very sketchy way? | 13:53 |
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shardy | hewbrocca: not really, but it depends what was updated | 13:57 |
shardy | hewbrocca: e.g if it was something managed by puppet, making heat re-apply puppet will destroy the out-of-band updates | 13:57 |
shardy | but if some packages were updated on a few nodes, heat has no way to know that, other than maybe updating all the nodes | 13:57 |
marios | hewbrocca: i am not sure if the heat update will succeed (i.e. just 'update' to the given tripleo heat templates you used to deploy in the first place) - the main issue i can think of is if new version of *thing* no longer works with the heat templates director uses to 'update' | 13:57 |
dprince | meeting in 5 minutes | 13:57 |
dprince | 3 even | 13:58 |
shardy | dprince: 2! ;) | 13:58 |
gfidente | shardy, the question on backports was, were the stable branches created all the same day? 16th? | 13:58 |
hewbrocca | OK -- say, for example, that said customer used *our documented manual upgrade procedure* to upgrade from kilo to liberty | 13:59 |
hewbrocca | said operator, I should say | 13:59 |
shardy | gfidente: yes, and they were all created using the same SHA's as RDO manager, e.g we know we're hopefully starting from a working point | 13:59 |
dprince | hewbrocca: with regards to the "out of sync" my view is perhaps a bit different. The fact is we already use puppet which is meant to be an idompotent (make it so) sort of configuration tool | 13:59 |
gfidente | shardy, ack tks, wanted to find backport-able changes | 13:59 |
slagle | hewbrocca: in theory, if the end result is the same, and fully represented in the templates, you ought to be able to stack-update to the new templates and be Ok | 13:59 |
shardy | gfidente: we don't yet have stable branch CI in place though, it's blocked on reviews of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240938/ | 13:59 |
hewbrocca | slagle: right | 14:00 |
dprince | hewbrocca: so long as the "out of sync" stuff you are talking about isn't OS:* (openstack) resources, I think a blanket update of everything would be totally fine | 14:00 |
slagle | proving that theory would be something else :) | 14:00 |
slagle | hewbrocca: i think i know where you're going with this | 14:00 |
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shardy | yeah, in theory, modulo any local out-of-band config changes | 14:00 |
dprince | hewbrocca: and perhaps we should even *always* update all puppet resources | 14:00 |
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hewbrocca | slagle: I'll admit it, I was trying to think of a way to lessen the pressure on Heat to be *the only possible way* to upgrade your deployment | 14:01 |
slagle | hewbrocca: yes. i keep considering the same, given the amount we've been banging our head into a brick wall recently | 14:01 |
hewbrocca | I think we'll be better off if we're not forcing heat into that position | 14:02 |
slagle | don't use heat for updates at all | 14:02 |
slagle | do out of band update | 14:02 |
slagle | then stack-update to new templates | 14:02 |
gfidente | updates or upgrades? | 14:02 |
gfidente | like don't use heat for tht updates? or for packages upgrades? | 14:02 |
slagle | gfidente: package updates | 14:02 |
gfidente | oh I like that too | 14:03 |
gfidente | because to do it from heat, I would like to scratch the node | 14:03 |
hewbrocca | gfidente: IOW wipe the node and reimage? | 14:03 |
hewbrocca | slagle: if we could make that work, it will take a ton of pressure off us | 14:04 |
hewbrocca | in the short term | 14:04 |
gfidente | hewbrocca, yes but it's only theory, not proven to work, my idea was that we should always be capable of redeploying a node | 14:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Jaume Devesa proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: MidoNet heat templates https://review.openstack.org/238998 | 14:48 |
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dtantsur | dprince, so re OSC namespaces, I don't mind using something else rather than "overcloud", but it should be clear that it's not something generic | 15:01 |
dtantsur | OR we should make it generic enough and propose to ironic :) | 15:02 |
d0ugal | I think we should try moving what we can into ironic first | 15:02 |
tzumainn | marios, do you know how I create a doodle poll? | 15:02 |
dprince | dtantsur: sure, I'm in favor of moving as many of these into ironic as possible as "generic" useful tools | 15:02 |
tremble | shardy: Oops we forgot to mention the t-h-t / puppet stuff : FWIW I have a potential fix for the one issue I've seen - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243596/ | 15:03 |
marios | tzumainn: so doodle is for scheduling... i meant some equivalent... /me pokes | 15:03 |
dtantsur | one thing that will be hard to sell (IMO) is our operations on all nodes.. | 15:03 |
jrist | ok then | 15:04 |
d0ugal | dtantsur: Yeah, those are the commands that originally put us down this path | 15:04 |
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dtantsur | maybe it's not so bad actually, but it's definitely worth discussion (it's pity I didn't realize it before/during the summit) | 15:05 |
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dtantsur | the problem with mass operations is to figure our which node are eligible for a particular operation... | 15:06 |
dtantsur | i.e. what we do with "bulk start" won't be accepted upstream, as we work around the ironic state machine | 15:07 |
tzumainn | marios, don't worry about it - I'm going to forgo the poll and just lay out the exact argument while assuming that people are okay with 'tripleo' | 15:07 |
tzumainn | er, as a name, I mean | 15:07 |
tzumainn | instead of tuskar | 15:07 |
openstackgerrit | Cédric LECOMTE proposed openstack/instack-undercloud: Adding SOSReport on RHOS https://review.openstack.org/243644 | 15:07 |
d0ugal | tzumainn: +1, nobody seemed to object, there were just slight alternatives that don't really matter | 15:08 |
d0ugal | :) | 15:08 |
trown | dtantsur: there seemed to be weak agreement towards some kind of bulk operation in the "group managment" session | 15:08 |
trown | dtantsur: I could at least see something like what you have for inspection there | 15:08 |
trown | ie. explicit list of nodes to act on | 15:09 |
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marios | tzumainn: yeah sorry so doesn't seem to be a free voting system i can easily find... perhaps an etherpad with just two/three clear options for people to +1 under. then count the votes | 15:11 |
marios | tzumainn: or whatever as you said | 15:11 |
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bnemec | I say let people vote on the spec if they don't like it. | 15:12 |
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dprince | tzumainn: so you'll update your spec here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230432/ with the idea of renaming tripleo-common -> tripleo, and that repo contains everything? | 15:14 |
d0ugal | "everything" :) | 15:14 |
dprince | the kitchen sink | 15:15 |
marios | all_the_things | 15:15 |
tzumainn | dprince, yeah, doing that now! | 15:15 |
dprince | tzumainn: sounds good | 15:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Tzu-Mainn Chen proposed openstack/tripleo-specs: Spec for TripleO overcloud deployment REST API https://review.openstack.org/230432 | 15:17 |
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tzumainn | trown, what would the packaging implications be for renaming tripleo-common to tripleo... ? I'm not all that familiar with packaging, to be honest | 15:18 |
trown | tzumainn: it just involves provides/obsoletes old package to make sure upgrade works | 15:19 |
mburned | tzumainn: trown: we call tripleo-incubator tripleo | 15:22 |
tzumainn | crap | 15:22 |
mburned | tzumainn: if we can remove incubator (move it's stuff into tripleo-common) | 15:23 |
mburned | then we'd be able to | 15:23 |
tzumainn | I kinda wonder why it wasn't just called... tripleo-incubator | 15:23 |
tzumainn | mburned, can you reply to the upstream mailing list on the thread I created? | 15:24 |
mburned | tzumainn: i think we didn't want to ship something called incubator | 15:25 |
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trown | hmm, ya so that rename gets a bit trickier then... | 15:25 |
mburned | trown: not terrible | 15:25 |
mburned | move the incubator stuff out | 15:26 |
mburned | bump epoch | 15:26 |
trown | would we even have a package named tripleo produced from the new tripleo repo though? | 15:26 |
mburned | and add obsoletes/provides | 15:26 |
derekh | FYI, tripleo ci only uses 1 thing from the tripleo package (wait_for) | 15:26 |
derekh | I've been meaning to move it | 15:26 |
derekh | the virt setup stuff used by dev's will need to be moved too | 15:27 |
trown | We use instack-virt-setup in CI | 15:27 |
trown | which uses the devtest stuff | 15:27 |
derekh | trown: no in upstream CI | 15:27 |
marios | yeah but that is calling into sthing like create-nodes though | 15:27 |
derekh | trown: *not | 15:27 |
trown | right, we there was with my rdo-manager hat on :p | 15:27 |
trown | what is the reason to not name the package tripleo-api? | 15:28 |
derekh | The hat you should be wearing in this channel http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=844768&d=1376428094 | 15:28 |
trown | git repo can be named foobedoomaboobedoo for all I care from a packaging pov | 15:28 |
trown | would wear that... my whole fam went as owls for halloween | 15:29 |
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derekh | ;-) | 15:30 |
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gfidente | shardy, regarding https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-update-testing L23 | 15:41 |
gfidente | do you think it makes sense to run the update job for changes against stable branch as well? | 15:41 |
gfidente | looks like yes to me | 15:42 |
shardy | gfidente: Yes, I think so | 15:42 |
shardy | I'm hoping we can implement things (e.g in tripleo.sh) in such a way that most tests will work on ether stable or master | 15:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Rajini Ram proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable Equallogic Backends in Cinder https://review.openstack.org/242640 | 15:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Giulio Fidente proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Set default start/stop timeout for pcmk services to 95s https://review.openstack.org/241572 | 15:55 |
jayg | jistr gfidente: for the keystone in wsgi patch, what would you guys think of making it optional for now, perhaps leaving the default eventlet, and then when mitaka becomes default master and the CI breaks, change the default to wsgi? then in the meantime we can work out with fabbione and co how to handle services going into httpd? | 15:58 |
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untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 16:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1510901 | 16:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1511715 | 16:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1510901 in tripleo "seed's nova-compute service start fail" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Cameron.C (cameron-c) | 16:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1511715 in diskimage-builder "Images using draycut should have the option to pass drivers to include in build" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Julia Kreger (juliaashleykreger) | 16:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1513508 | 16:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1513508 in diskimage-builder "Ironic IPA does not work when Swift is using https" [Undecided,New] | 16:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1505900 | 16:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1505900 in diskimage-builder "Failed to create 'wily' release with DIB_RELEASE" [Undecided,New] | 16:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1504263 | 16:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1509148 | 16:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1504263 in tripleo "os-net-config mapping by MAC fails if trying to map in alternate order" [Undecided,Triaged] | 16:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1509148 in tripleo "keystone initialize fails if undercloud can't reach overcloud public vip" [Undecided,New] | 16:00 |
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gfidente | tzumainn, dtantsur, d0ugal tripleoclient should *not* consume tripleo-common? | 16:00 |
dtantsur | definitely | 16:00 |
gfidente | isn't tripleo-common the repo where the (in)famous business logic should go? | 16:01 |
dtantsur | at least not for any kinds of business logic | 16:01 |
dtantsur | gfidente, yes, and it should be covered by API. and this API will be used by tripleoclient and all the GUI's | 16:01 |
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gfidente | dtantsur, so you mean d0ugal should be written from scratch as well to use the tripleo api | 16:01 |
d0ugal | Yeah, so all logic would be behind an API now | 16:01 |
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d0ugal | gfidente: lol, it doesn't cause me any problems :) | 16:02 |
gfidente | to be rewritten from scratch? | 16:02 |
dtantsur | rewriting d0ugal is an interesting challenge. do we have access to the source code? | 16:02 |
d0ugal | dtantsur: Sorry, I am closed source. | 16:02 |
dtantsur | not wow | 16:03 |
dtantsur | not wow at all | 16:03 |
tzumainn | time to start hacking on d0ugal | 16:03 |
d0ugal | lol | 16:03 |
d0ugal | Anyway. | 16:03 |
d0ugal | gfidente: The logic is being moved from the CLI to tripleo-common | 16:03 |
d0ugal | This just changes how the CLI will then consume that | 16:04 |
d0ugal | However, I expect we need some transition time before the CLI wont use some of tripleo-common as a library | 16:04 |
dtantsur | yeah. if client has direct access to business logic, it won't exercise the same code path as GUI | 16:04 |
d0ugal | For the transition period, it will need direct access, because otherwise we wont have a CLI until the API is "finished" | 16:05 |
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fabbione | jayg: as long as we don't change it for liberty I am ok. | 16:07 |
gfidente | all this said, I'd like the logic to be completely optional as well, because I really think we might need to give users control over each and every template param | 16:08 |
fabbione | jayg: moving to wsgi is going to be major pain | 16:08 |
fabbione | jayg: it's a major restructuring the of architecture to some extents | 16:08 |
jayg | fabbione: understood, but itis non-optional for mitaka | 16:11 |
jayg | and encouraged for liberty | 16:11 |
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gfidente | dtantsur, d0ugal does my reply to list about repos naming make sense to you? | 16:14 |
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dtantsur | gfidente, yeah, except that option b is not an option IMO :) | 16:19 |
openstackgerrit | William Stevenson proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Add lldp info element for ironic-inspector https://review.openstack.org/243695 | 16:22 |
openstackgerrit | Jaume Devesa proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: MidoNet heat templates https://review.openstack.org/238998 | 16:27 |
fabbione | jayg: yes I am aware of the situation. we need some deeper surgery for Mikata anyway :) | 16:31 |
fabbione | jayg: so let's try to do it once and done good vs trying to patch it up in a hurry today | 16:31 |
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trown | gfidente: dtantsur, d0ugal now I get the idea of putting the api in tripleo-common | 16:31 |
trown | I was wrongly thinking of the API and the CLI as consumers of tripleo logic | 16:32 |
trown | it is GUI and CLI as consumers of the API | 16:32 |
trown | what would be the issue in putting both the API and the logic in a repo named tripleo-api? | 16:33 |
trown | actually... that does not even matter | 16:34 |
trown | the packages will likely be python-tripleo for the library and tripleo-api for the REST API service... so naming the repo tripleo makes sense from a consitancy with the other projects | 16:35 |
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dtantsur | +1 | 16:40 |
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gfidente | dtantsur, so we seem to all agree on option 1) if tripleoclient becomes a consumer of the -api | 16:49 |
gfidente | d0ugal, trown, tzumainn ? | 16:49 |
gfidente | what about making the business logic skippable? anything against that? | 16:50 |
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trown | I do not understand skippable in this context | 16:55 |
trown | at least some of the logic is not skippable in a way that will lead to success | 16:55 |
trown | and outside of the logic, are we not just calling other openstack APIs? | 16:56 |
gfidente | trown, you mean there is some logic which is always good to have? | 16:56 |
trown | not just good, but you will totally fail without it... take the controversial `introspection bulk` command | 16:57 |
trown | without the state manipulation logic, that command will fail 100% of the time, because nodes start out in the wrong state for inspection | 16:57 |
gfidente | I see, I was talking about the overcloud deployment logic | 16:57 |
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trown | ah, that is a different can of worms I guess | 16:58 |
gfidente | for example, setting parameters based on nodes scaling, or storage type of choice | 16:58 |
trown | there should at least be a `do deploy with just the environments I gave you and nothing else` option | 16:58 |
gfidente | yeah that's what I meant too | 16:59 |
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jaosorior | Has anybody seen these erros pop up? http://paste.openstack.org/show/478468/ | 17:05 |
tzumainn | gfidente, the updated tripleo-common business logic involves a) uploading a bunch of heat files to swift and b) various methods to manipulate those heat files - the resource registry, parameters, etc | 17:05 |
tzumainn | gfidente, so afaik, you should still be able to do your own thing there | 17:05 |
gfidente | I'm worried about heat files manipulation, a lot | 17:08 |
gfidente | it didn't work in the past | 17:08 |
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gfidente | didn't we agree on providing a set of heat templates selectable by users? | 17:10 |
gfidente | (heat environments) | 17:10 |
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shardy | gfidente: AIUI the intention is not to manipulate any templates | 17:14 |
shardy | only to manage combining various environment files | 17:14 |
gfidente | shardy, yeah that was my understanding as well | 17:14 |
gfidente | shardy, even merging can be problematic if done in the incorrect order | 17:16 |
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gfidente | tzumainn, so if I can give a vote, it's a no-no on pretty much any manipulation unless it is completely skippable | 17:17 |
tzumainn | gfidente, it is completely skippable | 17:17 |
tzumainn | gfidente, the gui is going to use a workflow of a) uploading heat files, b) manipulation, c) deploy | 17:17 |
tzumainn | you can just skip b) directly | 17:17 |
tzumainn | i.e., edit the heat files yourself, go to a), and then c) | 17:18 |
gfidente | ack so for simple deployments it stays easy, but we can get to customize the params as needed without interferences if needed | 17:18 |
tzumainn | gfidente, shardy, and yeah, no manipulation of the actual templates | 17:18 |
shardy | tzumainn: I think it's a terminology thing, by manipulation you mean introspect, prompt for parameters, combine environment files right? | 17:18 |
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tzumainn | shardy, yeah, exactly | 17:19 |
shardy | tzumainn: cool, thanks for clarifying | 17:19 |
shardy | tzumainn: does the API have a way to only do (b)? | 17:20 |
shardy | I can imagine that would be useful for debugging and development | 17:20 |
gfidente | yeah sorry I did not mean to bring up confusion | 17:20 |
* shardy should review the API spec, sorry | 17:20 | |
gfidente | tzumainn, jistr just pointed me https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242439/6 as well | 17:23 |
gfidente | tzumainn, as of today I think we need storage-environment.yaml as well | 17:26 |
openstackgerrit | Tzu-Mainn Chen proposed openstack/tripleo-common: TripleO API v1 https://review.openstack.org/243737 | 17:26 |
gfidente | will comment on the submission | 17:26 |
jayg | fabbione: I agree with trying to do it once rather than shoving something in, but upstream will get broken as soon as mitaka becomes master (which I would expect is not terribly far off), which is why I was proposing that for keystone, we make it conditional, and I don't think it affects any ordering constraints, as horizon is currently the only other service in httpd | 17:27 |
openstackgerrit | Jaume Devesa proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: MidoNet heat templates https://review.openstack.org/238998 | 17:28 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/instack-undercloud: Add Puppet 4.x lint checks https://review.openstack.org/240505 | 17:36 |
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fabbione | jayg: well... yes it does affects constraints | 17:40 |
fabbione | jayg: right now everything start after keystone | 17:40 |
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fabbione | jayg: so keystone become httpd, you will need everything to depends on httpd | 17:40 |
fabbione | jayg: and then you get the catch 22 on configuring stuff, vs starting httpd and configuring internal things | 17:41 |
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fabbione | jayg: for example, you install all packages, then start httpd, wsgi can run stuff before you added users to keystone | 17:41 |
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fabbione | jayg: so we need to figure out the right ordering of installing things, configuring them in httpd, configure the services .conf files etc. | 17:41 |
fabbione | i have the bad feeling that whoever decided to move to wsgi didn't think this through | 17:42 |
fabbione | but we will see | 17:42 |
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fabbione | also the fact that not all services are moving at once, is going to make it very interesting for start/stop ordering | 17:42 |
fabbione | but maybe we can relax that a bit | 17:42 |
fabbione | right now we have bigger fishes to fry | 17:43 |
jayg | fabbione: yeah, I am not sure that HA was considered at all, though I only heard of this recently myself | 17:43 |
fabbione | jayg: start from another point of view | 17:43 |
fabbione | HA is _never_ considered | 17:43 |
fabbione | now | 17:43 |
fabbione | that is because in theory services don't need rabbit or galera to start | 17:44 |
fabbione | in practice that doesn't work | 17:44 |
fabbione | that's we have those constraints in place | 17:44 |
fabbione | some daemons are just broken and behave so differently | 17:44 |
jayg | sure, I recall the issues | 17:44 |
fabbione | runtime reconnections they are all pretty much ok | 17:44 |
fabbione | start/stop.... it's flip a coin | 17:45 |
fabbione | yeah exactly | 17:45 |
fabbione | one option that was suggested, because we can actually do it with pacemkaer, is to have separate httpd isntances per service | 17:45 |
fabbione | so one httpd for horizon | 17:45 |
fabbione | one for keystone | 17:45 |
fabbione | etc. | 17:45 |
fabbione | afterall all those services listens on different ports | 17:45 |
fabbione | we could configure them as vhosts | 17:46 |
jayg | would that be via the apache RA, or something else? | 17:46 |
fabbione | yes | 17:46 |
fabbione | apache RA | 17:46 |
fabbione | at least afair it can do that | 17:46 |
fabbione | we will need to investigate | 17:46 |
fabbione | going to grab dinner | 17:46 |
fabbione | laer | 17:46 |
fabbione | later | 17:46 |
jayg | that was my original though, since we never even brought that in for horizon as documented | 17:46 |
jayg | ok, goodnight | 17:46 |
fabbione | it's not something we can solve tonight | 17:46 |
fabbione | yeah you wish i'd disappear... have a meeting in 1h :) | 17:47 |
fabbione | just need some dinner ;) | 17:47 |
jayg | sure, I just thought it would be more likely to be solved if I brought it up again :) it is a task for our sprint to move keystone under wsgi | 17:47 |
jayg | haha, ok, feel free to ping me later for more if you want then :) | 17:47 |
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derekh | A quick one for people https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243506/ | 17:54 |
derekh | if possible can I get some eyes on it, I think its the only reason our periodic job isn't passing | 17:54 |
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slagle | i love it when we ass the repositories | 17:56 |
openstackgerrit | James Slagle proposed openstack/tripleo-common: Don't install git-hg https://review.openstack.org/243506 | 17:58 |
jayg | now with no 'ass'! | 17:59 |
slagle | i know. it's not quite as good as it was | 17:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Ryan Hallisey proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Add Docker job to tripleo CI https://review.openstack.org/238212 | 18:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Mike Burns proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: honor the rabbit user and password provided https://review.openstack.org/243754 | 18:08 |
openstackgerrit | Vinay Rao proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: This change makes the following parameters user configurable: https://review.openstack.org/230764 | 18:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Set STABLE_BRANCH based on ZUUL_BRANCH https://review.openstack.org/243755 | 18:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Dan Prince proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Nova-libvirt needs to bind to /sys/fs/cgroup https://review.openstack.org/241369 | 18:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Ryan Hallisey proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Change the Atomic image name so it's less specific https://review.openstack.org/243764 | 18:30 |
openstackgerrit | Ryan Hallisey proposed openstack/tripleo-common: Deploy Docker compute role with tripleo.sh https://review.openstack.org/232853 | 18:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Vinay Rao proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: This change makes the following parameters user configurable: https://review.openstack.org/230764 | 19:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Ryan Hefner proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Enable Manila integration https://review.openstack.org/188137 | 19:17 |
openstackgerrit | Ryan Hefner proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Add NetApp integration to Manila https://review.openstack.org/188138 | 19:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Tzu-Mainn Chen proposed openstack/tripleo-common: TripleO API v1 https://review.openstack.org/243737 | 19:23 |
openstackgerrit | Vinay Rao proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: This change makes the following parameters user configurable: https://review.openstack.org/230764 | 19:25 |
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openstackgerrit | Vinay Rao proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: This change makes the following parameters user configurable: https://review.openstack.org/230764 | 19:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Change the Atomic image name so it's less specific https://review.openstack.org/243764 | 20:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tripleo-common: Deploy Docker compute role with tripleo.sh https://review.openstack.org/232853 | 21:00 |
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untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 22:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1510901 | 22:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1510901 in tripleo "seed's nova-compute service start fail" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Cameron.C (cameron-c) | 22:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1511715 | 22:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1511715 in diskimage-builder "Images using draycut should have the option to pass drivers to include in build" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Julia Kreger (juliaashleykreger) | 22:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1513508 | 22:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1513508 in diskimage-builder "Ironic IPA does not work when Swift is using https" [Undecided,New] | 22:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1505900 | 22:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1505900 in diskimage-builder "Failed to create 'wily' release with DIB_RELEASE" [Undecided,New] | 22:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1504263 | 22:00 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1509148 | 22:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1504263 in tripleo "os-net-config mapping by MAC fails if trying to map in alternate order" [Undecided,Triaged] | 22:00 |
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openstack | Launchpad bug 1509148 in tripleo "keystone initialize fails if undercloud can't reach overcloud public vip" [Undecided,New] | 22:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates: Allow customization of the Ceph pool names https://review.openstack.org/212664 | 23:22 |
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