Tuesday, 2021-05-25

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openstackgerritTakashi Kajinami proposed openstack/validations-common master: Remove message specific to CI  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/79286400:26
openstackgerritTakashi Kajinami proposed openstack/validations-common master: Remove messages very specific to CI  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/79286400:27
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ansible-role-chrony master: setup.cfg: Replace dashes with underscores  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-chrony/+/78949900:55
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openstackgerritRabi Mishra proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Fix octavia_nodes rendering in octavia-deployment-config.j2.yaml  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79280204:43
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openstackgerritSandeep Yadav proposed openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal master: [DNM] Test config-drive: true for BMC  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79287006:01
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openstackgerritJiri Podivin proposed openstack/tripleo-validations master: Removal of conflicting requirements  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-validations/+/79278406:26
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openstackgerritJiri Podivin proposed openstack/tripleo-validations master: Compute TSX validation  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-validations/+/79080606:27
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ramishrahjensas: Hi! the content in https://docs.openstack.org/ironic/latest/install/configdrive.html#cloud-init-integration about enabling config-drive in image is probably misleading and confused me.06:41
ramishraAre we proposing a tqe patch to enable it in https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras/blob/master/roles/ovb-manage-stack/defaults/main.yml to make the ovb jobs green again?06:45
ramishraysandeep|ruck: we probably need to do it tqe rather than changing the default parameter06:47
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ramishra*default for the parameter06:47
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ysandeep|ruckramishra, My understanding was we need to override config-drive in ovb-manage role: https://github.com/rdo-infra/review.rdoproject.org-config/tree/master/roles/ovb-manage ..06:50
ysandeep|ruckbut as that's a zuul config(trusted) project we cannot depends-on it before merge.. that's why for testing i have proposed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79287006:50
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ramishraoh yeah we've ovb-manage role there too:/06:51
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ysandeep|ruckramishra, do we need to modify bmc image with DIB_CLOUD_INIT_DATASOURCES="ConfigDrive, None" as well?06:52
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ramishraysandeep|ruck: Looks we won't need it, let's patch review.rdoproject.org-config06:54
ysandeep|ruckramishra, ack just awaiting results for rdo check job result against my dnm test patch https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79287006:56
ysandeep|ruckykarel, ^^ fyi..06:56
ykarelack, i did some tests in past, but let's see if it works fine06:56
ykarelnow06:56
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openstackgerritJuan Badia Payno proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: BnR Added a nfs validation when the nfs server is installed  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79005707:13
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openstackgerritSorin Sbârnea proposed openstack/ansible-role-collect-logs master: DNM: POC to parallelize collection commands  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-collect-logs/+/70358608:05
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openstackgerritSorin Sbârnea proposed openstack/ansible-role-collect-logs master: DNM: POC to parallelize collection commands  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-collect-logs/+/70358608:06
openstackgerritShnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: WIP use podman collection  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79050208:09
openstackgerritShnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras master: Use podman command instead of collection  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras/+/79290408:17
sshnaidmysandeep|ruck, ^^08:17
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openstackgerritSandeep Yadav proposed openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal master: Add config-drive in parameter_defaults  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79290708:33
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openstackgerritRabi Mishra proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Fix octavia_nodes rendering in octavia-deployment-config.j2.yaml  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79280208:37
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openstackgerritJuan Badia Payno proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient master: BnR added error msg in case there is no inventory  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/79100908:40
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openstackgerritArx Cruz proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart master: DNM - Testing tempest-allow  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/+/79290908:46
openstackgerritArx Cruz proposed openstack/tripleo-ci master: DNM - Testing tempest-allow  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ci/+/79257608:49
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openstackgerritSandeep Yadav proposed openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal master: Add config-drive in parameter_defaults  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79290709:47
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openstackgerritMartin Schuppert proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Simplify libvirt/qemu ssl certificates  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/78971809:55
ykarelysandeep|ruck, also i think we are using stable/2.0 for ovb, so https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/792823 would need backport09:56
ykarelis that already checked?09:56
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ysandeep|ruckykarel: I don't see backport for https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/792823 for stable/2.0 , hmm my patch https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/792870 was against master.. wondering how it helped09:59
ykarelysandeep|ruck, -master jobs runs with ovb master10:00
ykarelor in review patch10:00
ykareli mean ovb-master10:00
ysandeep|ruckykarel, ack, let me try to create a backport for stable/2.010:01
ykarelack10:01
openstackgerritSandeep Yadav proposed openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal stable/2.0: Add support to use config-drive  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79288010:01
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openstackgerritShnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras master: Use podman command instead of collection  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras/+/79290410:27
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-tripleo stable/wallaby: Add socat listen backend to clustercheck service  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/puppet-tripleo/+/79266610:35
openstackgerritShnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: WIP use podman collection  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79050210:39
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openstackgerritSandeep Yadav proposed openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal master: Add config-drive in parameter_defaults  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79290710:54
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal stable/2.0: Add support to use config-drive  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79288010:55
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ysandeep|ruckykarel++10:59
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openstackgerritMarios Andreou proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart master: WIP wire up new tripleo-get-hash  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/+/79148611:10
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openstackgerritDaniel Bengtsson proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient master: Stop configuring install_command in tox.  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/69350211:20
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sakharkarykarel: TripleO overcloud deployment with SSL Everywhere is failing with fatal error : Error: 'podman' is not a valid container type value, use docker.11:35
sakharkarhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/805690/11:35
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openstackgerritGael Chamoulaud proposed openstack/validations-common master: Trigger molecule jobs when modifying the following files  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/79234311:43
openstackgerritGael Chamoulaud proposed openstack/validations-common master: Bump molecule to 3.3.1  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/79234611:43
ykarelsakharkar, hmm with CentOS7 podman do not work with pacemaker11:43
ykareldid u customized anything or it's default11:43
ykarelysandeep|ruck, is issue with c7 ovb train and tls job already known?11:44
ykarelhttps://review.rdoproject.org/zuul/builds?job_name=tripleo-ci-centos-7-ovb-3ctlr_1comp_1supp-featureset039&branch=stable%2Ftrain&result=FAILURE i see it's failing from long11:44
ysandeep|ruckykarel: not that i am aware of, will check in some time , will report bug if we don't have an existing one11:46
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openstackgerritJose Luis Franco proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/train: Add leapp answer authselect_check.confirm.  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79295511:58
openstackgerritJose Luis Franco proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/train: [Train-Only] Add leapp answer authselect_check.confirm.  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79295512:07
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openstackgerritJuan Badia Payno proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient master: BnR added error msg in case there is no inventory  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/79100912:10
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sakharkarykarel: No customization, its default.12:12
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ykarelsakharkar, ohkk, so you can try -e overcloud_container_cli=docker to force docker instead of podman12:14
ykarelalso you can file bug for this along with your other findings12:14
ykarelbtw you have strict requirement to use centos-7 in train?12:14
ykareltrain supports both centos7 and centos812:14
sakharkarykarel: We have requirement for both Centos7 and centos8.12:15
ykarelok then try as above, and log bug so it can get fixed12:16
sakharkarsure12:16
openstackgerritShnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: DNM test CI jobs  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79295712:19
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openstackgerritShnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: DNM test CI jobs  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79295712:20
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openstackgerrityang yawei proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart master: Use TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/+/79296312:40
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openstackgerritJuan Larriba proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: Make execution of the backup idempotent  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79145013:06
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openstackgerritAlex Schultz proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Use kolla_config for other actions  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79103313:08
openstackgerritAlex Schultz proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Switch barbican actions to use kolla_config  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79128913:08
openstackgerritAlex Schultz proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Ignore puppet_config is an empty dict  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79204613:08
openstackgerritAlex Schultz proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: [WIP] Use module for container puppet tasks  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/78960813:08
weshay|ruckneed a core please https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79290713:09
mwhahahaall two of us13:11
mwhahahaHEH13:11
openstackgerritHarald Jensås proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: Refresh instance after adding allocation  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79297213:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal master: Add config-drive in parameter_defaults  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79290713:20
hjensasso who creates the cherry-pick ^^ I guess me and mwhahaha can approve it?13:21
Tenguhjensas: for 792907 ?13:26
ysandeep|ruckhjensas, creating13:26
openstackgerritSandeep Yadav proposed openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal stable/2.0: Add config-drive in parameter_defaults  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79288413:27
ysandeep|ruckweshay|ruck, hjensas, mwhahaha ^^ created cherry pick for stable/2.013:27
Tengu:( I can't vote more than +113:27
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openstackgerritDavid Vallee Delisle proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo master: Adding nova::network::neutron to nova-conductor  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/puppet-tripleo/+/79263513:31
openstackgerritAlex Schultz proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient master: Remove --standalone option  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/75344713:33
openstackgerritAlex Schultz proposed openstack/tripleo-operator-ansible master: Switch tripleo_deploy_standalone to false by default  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-operator-ansible/+/75385313:34
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openstackgerritJuan Larriba proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: Remove become: true from the role  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79297813:37
openstackgerritDavid Vallee Delisle proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo master: Adding nova::network::neutron to nova-conductor  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/puppet-tripleo/+/79263513:38
openstackgerritJose Luis Franco proposed openstack/tripleo-upgrade stable/train: [Train-Only] Add leapp answers for UC leapp upgrade.  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-upgrade/+/79297913:39
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openstackgerritDavid Vallee Delisle proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo master: Adding nova::network::neutron to nova-conductor  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/puppet-tripleo/+/79263513:40
openstackgerritDavid Vallee Delisle proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo master: Adding nova::network::neutron to nova-conductor  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/puppet-tripleo/+/79263513:41
openstackgerritDavid Vallee Delisle proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo master: Adding nova::network::neutron to nova-conductor  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/puppet-tripleo/+/79263513:42
ysandeep|ruckhjensas: please add in your review list https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79288413:48
ysandeep|ruckmwhahaha thanks! for workflow13:50
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openstackgerritJuan Larriba proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: Make execution of the backup idempotent  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79145013:57
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal stable/2.0: Add config-drive in parameter_defaults  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-virtual-baremetal/+/79288413:58
mariostripleo irc meeting starting here in a minute13:59
marioshttps://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items13:59
marios#startmeeting tripleo14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 25 14:00:01 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is marios. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'14:00
marios#topic agenda14:00
marios* Review last minutes & action items14:00
marios* One off agenda items14:00
marios* Bugs & Blueprints14:00
marios* Projects releases or stable backports14:00
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marios* Specs14:00
marios* open discussion14:00
mariosAnyone can use the #link, #action and #info commands, not just the moderatorǃ14:00
marioso/ hello tripleo good morning good afternoon good evening!14:00
beagleso/14:00
tkajinamo/14:00
marioswho is around today?14:00
weshay|ruck0/14:00
akahato/14:00
jbadiapao/14:00
jpenao/14:00
slaglehello14:00
sshnaidmo/14:00
openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-common master: setup.cfg: Replace dashes with underscores  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-common/+/79108014:00
amoralejo/14:00
openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-common master: Ignore non host ports by tag filtering  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-common/+/79226014:00
jlarribao/14:00
mariosk lets get going folks can catch up14:01
marios#topic review last meeting logs & action items14:01
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fultonjo/14:01
marios#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2021/tripleo.2021-05-11-14.00.html14:02
openstackgerritJuan Larriba proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: Remove become: true from the role  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79297814:02
mariosdoes someone want to discuss anything from the last meeting?14:02
rlandyo/14:03
fmounto/14:03
mariossounds like not lets move to the one off items14:03
ysandeep|rucko/14:03
marios#topic one off agenda items14:03
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marios#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items14:03
openstackgerritBrent Eagles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Move designate from experimental  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79246714:03
openstackgerritBrent Eagles proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Add support for setting min TTL limit in designate  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79247814:03
mariosk we have a proposal from the deployment squad around releases and branches14:03
mariosweshay|ruck: o/ hey do you want to outline the proposal?14:04
weshay|ruckhey yes.. thanks14:04
weshay|ruckso.. just wanted to get the conversation moving... I think I saw this from other devs originally14:04
weshay|ruckLooking to less work that is not VERY important so we can focus more on what is important14:05
weshay|ruckso.. the critical item here is changing our release gov.. from trailing to independent...14:05
weshay|ruckprobably want to start there14:05
marios#info proposal     Move immediately to an independent release https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html#independent14:06
weshay|ruckthis would enable us to not create branches that we may not want/need in the future.. and stop the bleeding w/ the effort required to backport14:06
weshay|ruckany thoughts on that bit?14:06
slaglei like the idea, but would like to see some more detail. what would the plan be? to not branch for xena?14:07
amoralejwhould be a goal to keep tripleo able to deploy any of the supported openstack major versoins?14:07
mariosweshay|ruck: so i've expressed my concern about opening ourselves to criticism ... 'red hat doesn't support openstack X' if we decide not to branch X for example. we should at least anticipate this and consider how the community might use it (e.g. tags)14:07
beaglesit is pretty intriguing - my knee jerk reaction is "yes please" but I'd like to know more14:07
mariosweshay|ruck: also concern around the timeframe and if we can actually do it in X cycle14:07
weshay|ruckaye.. hopefully we're still early enough in the cycle..14:07
slaglemarios: i don't want to lend validity to that criticism, but it would be true. rh does not plan to support X14:08
weshay|ruckso.. I think master tripleo repos would deploy openstack xena, y14:08
mariosslagle: yeah i worded that wrong14:08
weshay|ruckrdo also has the option to tag versions of master.. for rpm deployments14:08
slaglei see no reason to hide that14:08
weshay|ruckthe issue would be patching a specific branch14:08
mariosslagle: more like, red hat doesn't care about X (which is a true statemtent for our product, but so far at least we would produce the same branches as the rest of the upstream community14:08
mariosslagle: that would now change ^14:09
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slaglewell, we're just talking tripleo here. and i see no reason to present a perception that isn't true14:09
mariosslagle: so you want to consume openstack nova stable/xena and neutron and all the other things but you won't be able to deploy it with stable/xena tripleo14:09
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mariosslagle: but you could use "this list of versions of the tripleo repos"14:10
mariosslagle: as an alternative14:10
slaglecorrect. i think it's bad for the community as well for the record14:10
amoralejfrom RDO perspective, if tripleo provides a list of tags that are able to deploy Xena, that'd be fine14:10
jpenafrom a community point of view, my reaction to this would be "just make it downstream-only if they don't want to support all releases"14:10
amoralejbut, what about bugs and fixes?14:10
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tkajinamif a single version tripleo supports multiple versions of openstack then it would cause burden  on puppet modules14:10
weshay|rucksupport.. is key..  users could still deploy14:10
amoralejand CI14:10
weshay|ruckit's the patching that would get tricky.. afaict14:10
slaglee.g., no one is even working on a v->w upgrade, we should not have the perception that we support victoria14:11
slaglealso ussuri, also xena14:11
slaglewe do not want our community using these branches imo14:11
jpenaweshay|ruck: how would a single tripleo version deploy openstack for xena, y, z?14:11
weshay|ruckif things go as planned.. I think we would cut a z branch14:12
mariosjpena: what is 'single tripleo version' though it would be 'this list of versions fo the various repos'14:12
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weshay|ruckso tripleo would have.. wallaby, master .. and master branched to z.. 2-3  weeks after openstack releases z14:13
jpenamarios: so let's say tag XYZ can be used to deploy Xena. And post-release we find out that we need some patches on top of that tag. How do we do that, if there's no branch and tag XYZ+1 has moved on to support the next release?14:13
weshay|ruckso tripleo would release a branch.. but every 3 three releases14:13
mariosjpena: right14:13
amoralejyeah, that's the actual issue14:13
weshay|ruckopenstack releases that is14:13
mariosjpena: yeah weshay|ruck said that the patching is a problem i think that is what he referring to14:13
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weshay|ruckya.. no patching on xena... just as is..14:14
weshay|ruckor roll w/ master14:14
slaglewe wouldn't deploy xena, or claim we do14:14
weshay|ruckwe could also say that14:14
slagleno reason to backport anything14:14
mariosslagle: the idea is you might try to deploy xena with tripleo, but you absolutely cant fix something in xena tripleo cos there is no such thing14:14
weshay|ruckbut it gets interesting w/ RDO releasing xena and tripleo not14:14
slaglewe'd be moving to an independent release model that works for tripleo14:14
jpenaso are you proposing to release RDO without tripleo packages?14:15
weshay|ruckjpena, master tagged...14:15
weshay|ruckno patching .. I think14:15
weshay|ruckor not.. releasing... tripleo w/ rdo xena14:15
jpenathat works for RDO Trunk, but not for proper RDO GA releases14:15
weshay|ruckand communicate tripleo will release at z14:15
weshay|ruckjpena, right14:15
weshay|ruckhence why we're here14:16
slaglejpena: yes, if rdo wants to continue to release branches that tripleo doesn't support, tripleo wouldn't be there14:16
slaglehonestly...what is someone to do that deploys rdo ussuri with tripleo or victoria?14:16
weshay|ruckI don't think TripleO HAS to be part of every rdo release.. or rdo could follow and not release xena, y14:16
slaglethey are stuck already14:16
jpenaslagle: with that model, we'd be in the same situation even for wallaby14:16
mariosok i think we should try and let folks digest this proposal as a first step  and we need to followup on the mailing list and then probabaly again here in 2 weeks... weshay|ruck do you want to move onto the second part about deleting branches (which is potentially less controversial)14:16
weshay|rucksure..14:17
mariosi don't think we are going to resolve this here and folks will have chance to express their opinion again14:17
weshay|ruckso.. looking at the agenda..14:17
amoralejto be clear, tripleo maintains tripleo packages14:17
amoralejit's not rdo maintaining rdo packages14:17
weshay|ruckgoal is to drop branches that we can .. ASAP.. so what is ASAP14:17
amoralejmaintaining tripleo packages14:17
weshay|ruckthe correct way... would be to wait for the dates I've listed in the etherpad14:18
marios#info     Drop Queens, Stein this cycle https://releases.openstack.org/index.html     Drop Ussuri 2021-11-12     Drop Victoria 2022-04-1814:18
weshay|ruckthanks14:18
amoralejresponsibility of maintaining tripleo workging in rdo is from tripleo projects14:18
weshay|ruckPutting it out there...14:18
amoralejincluding pushing required patches14:18
amoralejto keep it working during the cycle14:18
weshay|ruck2. A more agressive proposal and break the release agreement and drop them early14:18
mariosweshay|ruck: the proposal as-is on the etherpad is OK wrt upstream dates as they align with the Extended maintenance (at which point we are OK to move it EOL)14:19
weshay|ruckthere are drawbacks to the second part there14:19
mariosweshay|ruck: if we want to make it more aggressive, then it is more controversial and we may well get pushback from release team14:19
weshay|ruckagree14:19
weshay|ruckputting it out there for others to weigh in14:19
mariosweshay|ruck: so really the main thing we need to answer today/first is are we going to keep queens?14:20
mariosweshay|ruck: or will we start immediately with stein and queens14:20
mariosthe victoria/ussuri follow after this and we can discuss more about the dates on that when the time comes?14:20
mariosimo weshay|ruck ^14:20
weshay|ruckyes... there was interest from the community to keep Queens alive upstream even though it's EOL14:20
mariosramishra: ^^14:20
ramishraweshay|ruck: what do we mean by the release agreement? why there would be push back from the realease team? We don't follow stable policy as I mentioned in the ML14:21
ramishraso I don't see any issue with an agressive plan to drop branches14:21
slaglemy take would be to keep train and wallaby and drop all others14:21
ramishraslagle: +114:22
weshay|ruckif we could drop branches w/o blow back.. that would be my preference14:22
sshnaidm+114:22
weshay|ruckaggressively14:22
mariosramishra: ok, then we have 2 things to discuss here... fist is about queens keeping/not, second is if we are going to remove victoria/ussuri earlier than upstream extended maintenance and when14:22
weshay|ruckbut being careful is also a good idea14:22
mariosslagle: queens is also requested to keep14:22
mariosslagle: basically our ffu branches14:22
slaglemarios: yes, you're right14:23
weshay|ruckit would be easier to revive queens if we killed stein, ussuri, victoria14:23
slaglebasically let's keep the branches we actually support14:23
weshay|ruckaye14:23
weshay|ruckrdo folks?14:23
mariosweshay|ruck: slagle: for queens, the alternative proposal is that we go ahead remove it upstream and supplement with d/stream check jobs14:23
amoraleji think there is a mix of support, ds and us14:24
weshay|ruckyes.. work there.. but imho d/stream is a better way to handle queens14:24
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amoralejwhat means branches that we support?14:24
slaglemarios: i'm in favor of doing less work, and properly representing what we support.14:24
weshay|ruck++14:24
mariosramishra: would you be happy with that? i mean d/stream ? i.e. i am still not clear on what folks feel about keeping queens or not14:24
amoralejimo for the branches that have been already released as ussuri and victoria, we should commit at least until EM14:25
weshay|ruckaye.. that is a valid way to approach it14:25
ramishraI would prefer we keep upstream queens too, but ok if we decide to drop it upstream14:25
slaglewe're not committing them to already, so i don't know why we would commit to anything for u/v14:25
ramishrawe still patch newton downstream I think14:25
mariosramishra: i did a brief survey and it doesn't look that queens is that busy upstream https://gist.github.com/marios/b3155fe3b1318cc26bfa4bc15c764a26#gistcomment-375210214:25
weshay|ruckheh14:25
tkajinamI tend to agree with amoralej, considering fact that we see some users in community using u and v...14:26
amoralejyes14:26
slagleamoralej: it's a problem of perception. imo, no one should install rdo u/v with tripleo.14:26
amoralejthere is commitment to upstream14:26
mariosramishra: last 6 months tripleo-heat-templates: 27 tripleo-common: 9 python-tripleoclient: 1 patches14:26
amoralejslagle, that should have been said before releasing those14:26
amoralejthat's community14:26
mariosramishra: and i expect that will diminish more once folks realise we aren't importing any more14:26
weshay|ruckthis is the potential blow back we'd get14:27
amoralejassuming that nobody should use something that the project is releasing doensn't sounds as a way to work with community14:27
mariosamoralej: yeah i think we have to recognise this cost14:27
mariosamoralej: its the point i was making earlier, even if we decide to go ahead we need to understand this criticism we can face about this decision14:27
ramishramarios: sure, it would less patches as it's old, but we can drop it14:27
weshay|ruckand we should try to anticipate, acknoledge that feedback and dropping released branches.. but if I have to weigh the work ahead and the value of old branches14:27
weshay|ruckmy vote would be drop immediately.. stein, ussuri/victoria14:28
mariosweshay|ruck: i don't think we can do that yet14:28
mariosweshay|ruck: because we need to give folks some time to react to this proposal14:28
mariosweshay|ruck: immediate for stein i guess14:28
weshay|ruckaye.. immediately being relative.. like we would have to have a period of time... but give notice14:29
slaglei agree it's unfriendly to the community to drop/discontinue released items. but we should honestly ask if folks are using these things, and if they are, how they plan to upgrade14:29
mariosweshay|ruck: for victoria/ussuri as soon as we decide we are doing this (or rather, wait for someone to tell us that it is really a terrible idea )14:29
amoralejimo, in that case the best option would be to not include tripleo packages in rdo for the non supported releases14:29
amoralejfor future releases14:29
weshay|ruckya.. that seems fair14:29
amoralejfor past ones... we'll need to handle, is the cost of maintaining u and v so high?14:29
amoraleji'd say those two are the main problem ones, as it communicating a change post-release14:30
weshay|ruckamoralej, it's not cheap14:30
mariosamoralej: well the point is it is more than nothing14:30
* weshay|ruck notes developer time spent backporting.. promotion time, fixing bugs.. etc..14:30
mariosamoralej: including all the infra we need/use for check and the promotion pipelines etc14:30
weshay|ruckamoralej, and that wallaby will need to be c8 and c914:30
weshay|ruckwe don't have enough resources to do it ALL14:30
weshay|ruckif we're smart.. choices will be made14:31
slagleand are they really "maintained". should someone really install u* during EM with no way to upgrade?14:31
slaglei wouldn't call that maintained14:31
slaglei'd call it a trap14:31
weshay|ruckheh14:31
mariosk lets try and wrap this up soon for now i think and again we need to followup in the list next for more discussion once folks have a think about it some more14:32
mariosslagle: good point and this is the kind of thing we need to be prepared with in response to potential criticism14:32
weshay|ruck++14:32
mariosso two main proposals in sumary, 1. move all tripleo repos independent, 2. drop old branches, possibly even u and v before they are extended maintenance14:33
weshay|ruckthat sounds good14:33
marioswe can followup on the mailing list for the next discussion around these14:33
amoralejnote that's assuming tripleo has been doing a trap...14:33
mariosthanks weshay|ruck for bringing it and thanks all for your comments and thoughts so far14:33
weshay|ruckthanks marios!14:33
mariosk a few other community items i will paste here14:34
marios#info     Releases: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/790794 * Make release for tripleo independent repos https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/791959 * Make new release for tripleo repos stable/wallaby14:34
mariosso i made a new release for the independent repos and also a new stable/wallaby after we merged all the tripleiclient/tripleo-common bits and CI was happy again ^^^14:34
mariosstable/wallaby is now more stable ;)14:34
marios#info     http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-May/022428.html  * [TripleO] tripleo repos going Extended Maintenance stable/train OK? (not yet IMO)14:35
mariosthis is related to the discussion we just had... so proposal is for train to go extended maintenance but i think we want to hold on that as long as we can14:35
mariosobviously train is one of our ffu branches14:35
mariosi sent that to the list in response to     https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/790778/2#message-e981f749aeca64ea971f4e697dd16ba5100ca4a414:36
mariosi.e. release team posted that ^14:36
mariosany comments or questions on any of those so far please?14:36
marios#info     http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-May/022442.html * [TripleO] Opting out of global-requirements.txt14:37
mariosso this is a thread started by slagle about global-requirements14:37
mariosthere were concerns raised about if this would cause build problems (in rdo builds for example) if we aren't getting the checks upstream14:37
mariosfor now i believe we will keep the contract14:37
mariosand so we need to re-add to tripleo-validations and tripleo-ansible14:37
slagleyes, i guess so, no one can say for sure how it works14:38
marios#info     for now re-adding tripleo-ansible https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/792830 & tripleo-validations https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-validations/+/79264314:38
mariosthe tripleo-ansible one is a bit of a mess there are a few things broken there14:38
openstackgerritHarald Jensås proposed openstack/tripleo-common stable/wallaby: Strip final dot of the fqdn hostname and dnsname  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-common/+/79288714:38
marioshttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/792830/1#message-11c80e7647e369a03b9703a936e5cacbbfab187714:38
slagleand based on what we're trying to add to tripleo-validations, even check-requirements doesn't enforce the contract14:38
mariosslagle: you mean you found a bug in the job?14:39
mariosslagle: it seems to pick up some valid things in tripleo-ansible (that have been allowed so far because the job was removed there)14:39
slaglemaybe. i don't know what it's supposed to do honestly14:39
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slagletripleoclient is in test-requirements for tripleo-validations, and the job has no issue with that14:39
slagletripleoclient isn't in g-r14:40
mariosslagle: i see14:40
mariossome more links for context here14:40
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marios#link https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/dependency-management.html#enforcement-in-projects14:41
marios#link https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/ce19462764940a4ce99dae4ac2ec7a004c68e9a4/projects.txt#L245-L24914:41
marios#link https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/f00ad51c3f4de9d956605d81db4ce34fa9a3ba1c/global-requirements.txt#L33714:41
mariosk any other comments or thoughts on that one for now?14:41
openstackgerritShnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: DNM test CI jobs  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79295714:42
marios#info     http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-May/022585.html * [TripleO] tripleo-ci-centos-8-containers-multinode now using ephemeral Heat for master/wallaby14:42
mariosslagle: has started wiring up some ci jobs fyi ^^14:42
mariosfinally, in case you missed it ;) about freenode there is discussion there14:43
marios#info     http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-May/022539.html Freenode and libera.chat14:43
mariosit isn't clear what we/openstack is going to do yet14:43
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mariosanyone want to discuss that here?14:43
mariosi don't know if we want to go ahead and move ourselves anyway, if folks have strong opinion about that?14:44
mariosi would rather wait and hope we achieve some consensus across openstack14:45
mariosk any comments otherwise we can move on14:45
openstackgerritHarald Jensås proposed openstack/tripleo-common stable/wallaby: Ignore non host ports by tag filtering  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-common/+/79288814:45
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slagle+1 to wait14:45
mariosk moving on, we are getting late on time so gonna move quickly here please stop me if you want to say something ;)14:45
mariosthanks slagle14:45
marios#topic Bugs and blueprints14:45
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marios#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/14:45
marios#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/tripleo-ansible14:45
marios#link  https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/xena-114:45
marios#link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/xena14:45
marios#link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/wallaby14:45
mariosany bug related business please?14:45
mariosusual reminder please triage your xena-1 things ;) we moved all the wallaby-rc1 things to xena-1 at least some of those have outdated info, e.g. fixed but still marked triaged14:46
weshay|ruckjust that.. the centos mirrors upstream were all messed up yesterday.. seems to be recovering.. tread lightly today14:46
mariosthank you weshay|ruck14:46
openstackgerritShnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: Fix failures because of Jinja version limit  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79298814:47
mariosk moving on14:47
marios#topic Project releases or stable backports14:47
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marios#info tripleo wallaby repos https://releases.openstack.org/teams/tripleo.html#wallaby14:47
mariosany release business please? i mentioned the recent releases already in the community items above14:47
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mariosany requests for particular branch? otherwise i think it is time for another round of 'release all the branches'14:47
marios(some time real soon now)14:48
marios;)14:48
mariosmoving on ...14:48
marios#topic specs14:48
marios#info https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs14:48
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marios#info https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-specs/src/branch/master/specs/xena14:48
openstackgerritJiri Podivin proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient master: Changing the constant to reflect new VF behavior.  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/79299014:48
mariosi am aware of at least 3 specs we are gonna try and merge14:48
marioshttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/78753514:48
marioshttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/78885014:48
marioshttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/77244214:48
mariosthese were all discussed at PTG please help to review and merge those soon ^^14:49
mariosany comments/questions around specs?14:49
mariosok and finally...14:50
marios#topic open discussion14:50
mariosAnything else that folks want to bring up to the meeting?14:50
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openstackgerritShnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: WIP use podman collection  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79050214:50
mariosany volunteers to run the next tripleo irc meeting? maybe you always wanted to do it ;) let me know if you want to try it14:50
marios#info next meeting in 2 weeks Tuesday 08 June 1400 UTC14:51
mariosso if there is nothing else then lets close14:51
mariosthanks everyone for participating today o/ have a great day14:52
marios#endmeeting14:52
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2021/tripleo.2021-05-25-14.00.html14:52
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2021/tripleo.2021-05-25-14.00.txt14:52
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2021/tripleo.2021-05-25-14.00.log.html14:52
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openstackgerritJiri Podivin proposed openstack/validations-common master: New location of the default log directory.  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/validations-common/+/79299315:03
openstackgerritGrzegorz Grasza proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/train: [Train only] Add memcached IP address to its certificate  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79299415:06
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openstackgerritGrzegorz Grasza proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Add memcached IP address to its certificate  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79213115:10
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openstackgerritMartin Schuppert proposed openstack/tripleo-validations stable/train: [train-only] Set container_client for checks during ffu  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-validations/+/79299515:14
openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/wallaby: Make clustercheck service accessible over socat  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79266715:15
openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-common master: Removed mentions of mistral from the doc  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-common/+/79007715:15
openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-ansible master: After SFTP backup, the backup file and the iso must be deleted from the machine  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/78929015:15
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openstackgerritMartin Schuppert proposed openstack/tripleo-validations stable/train: [train-only] Set container_client for checks during ffu  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-validations/+/79299515:28
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openstackgerritJuan Badia Payno proposed openstack/python-tripleoclient master: BnR added error msg in case there is no inventory  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-tripleoclient/+/79100916:10
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openstackgerritGrzegorz Grasza proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo stable/train: [Train only] Allow setting IPs and DNS names in memcached cert  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/puppet-tripleo/+/79300316:11
openstackgerritGrzegorz Grasza proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates stable/train: [Train only] Add memcached IP address to its certificate  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79299416:12
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openstackgerritwes hayutin proposed openstack/ansible-role-tripleo-modify-image master: DNM, debug for container-modify  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-tripleo-modify-image/+/79221816:35
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/wallaby: Create ganesha-export-index before the ceph-nfs daemon is deployed  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79251516:35
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-ansible stable/wallaby: Fix network-v2 node port idempotency  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79251316:51
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openstackgerritRonelle Landy proposed openstack/tripleo-specs master: Add spec for single sourcing repo setup  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/77244217:02
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openstackgerritKevin Carter proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: Breakdown the deploy-steps playbook  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79301317:06
cloudnullmwhahaha slagle ^ finally got all that working. if you have a moment to look / test it'd be greatly appreciated.17:06
cloudnull-cc odyssey4me17:06
odyssey4mecloudnull interesting!17:08
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openstackgerritRonelle Landy proposed openstack/tripleo-specs master: Add spec for single sourcing repo setup  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/77244217:16
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weshay|ruckthis runs on the undercloud right? https://opendev.org/openstack/python-tripleoclient/src/branch/master/tripleoclient/v2/tripleo_container_image.py#L74217:20
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openstackgerritwes hayutin proposed openstack/ansible-role-tripleo-modify-image master: DNM, debug for container-modify  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-tripleo-modify-image/+/79221817:38
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openstackgerritwes hayutin proposed openstack/ansible-role-tripleo-modify-image master: DNM, debug for container-modify  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-tripleo-modify-image/+/79221818:24
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openstackgerritwes hayutin proposed openstack/ansible-role-tripleo-modify-image master: DNM, testing container updates  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-tripleo-modify-image/+/79302818:37
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tripleo-ansible master: Fix failures because of Jinja version limit  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79298818:51
openstackgerritJuan Badia Payno proposed openstack/tripleo-heat-templates master: DNM- Testing purpose  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/+/79303118:52
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openstackgerritShnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: WIP use podman collection  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79050219:14
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cloudnull"Failed to download packages: Cannot download python3-pankoclient-0.5.0-0.20201118091503.572aee9.el8.noarch.rpm: All mirrors were tried" -- is that expected atm?19:30
cloudnullhttps://02edb0c3182f24e7d60e-d1495d287b0947bb2ff065e6471f2eaa.ssl.cf5.rackcdn.com/793013/1/check/tripleo-ci-centos-8-standalone/653a679/logs/undercloud/home/zuul/standalone_deploy.log19:30
openstackgerritRonelle Landy proposed openstack/tripleo-specs master: Add spec for single sourcing repo setup  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/77244219:34
openstackgerritDavid Vallee Delisle proposed openstack/tripleo-validations stable/train: Inventory doesn't contain admin password  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-validations/+/79305419:38
openstackgerritDavid Vallee Delisle proposed openstack/tripleo-validations stable/train: Inventory doesn't contain admin password  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-validations/+/79305419:40
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openstackgerritDavid Vallee Delisle proposed openstack/tripleo-validations stable/train: Inventory doesn't contain admin password  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-validations/+/79305419:41
openstackgerritShnaidman Sagi (Sergey) proposed openstack/tripleo-ansible master: Correct values for podman container  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-ansible/+/79305519:42
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openstackgerritRonelle Landy proposed openstack/tripleo-specs master: Add spec for single sourcing repo setup  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/77244220:00
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openstackgerritwes hayutin proposed openstack/ansible-role-tripleo-modify-image master: DNM, testing container updates  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ansible-role-tripleo-modify-image/+/79302820:12
openstackgerritRonelle Landy proposed openstack/tripleo-specs master: Add spec for single sourcing repo setup  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-specs/+/77244220:16
weshay|ruckcloudnull, the mirrors were all fuked last night.. but that sounds like fluke.. receheck20:17
openstackgerritwes hayutin proposed openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras master: ensure run_tempest has a default  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tripleo-quickstart-extras/+/79305820:23
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openstackgerritTakashi Kajinami proposed openstack/puppet-tripleo master: Adding nova::network::neutron to nova-conductor  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/puppet-tripleo/+/79263523:13
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