17:00:41 <malini> #startmeeting: tailgate
17:00:43 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Jul 30 17:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is malini. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:00:48 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to '__tailgate'
17:01:02 <malini> anybody around?
17:02:26 <malini> gema, beisner, jasonsb, jose-idar: want to do the meeting today?
17:02:56 <jasonsb> +1 but i was on vacation for most of the time so i don't have too much to report
17:03:14 <malini> hmmm…& nobody else seems to be around :/
17:04:26 <malini> jasonsb: Guess we'll wait for 5 min & then decide to have it or not?
17:04:41 <jasonsb> ok
17:05:03 <jasonsb> btw, i met few more rackspace people at kolla midcycle meetup
17:05:11 <jasonsb> you have good people
17:05:21 <malini> jasonsb: we sure do :)
17:05:35 <jasonsb> i also found kolla people to be like-minded to us
17:05:41 <malini> I work out of ATL office - so I don't know too many ppl :(
17:05:47 <malini> we are a small ship here
17:06:06 <jasonsb> it may well be that kolla can be a distribution mechanism for tailgate tooling
17:06:10 <malini> jasonsb: what does koola do? I thought it had something to do with containers
17:06:26 <jasonsb> its like osad but in containers
17:06:36 <jasonsb> testing came up
17:06:48 <jasonsb> and everybody in the room said tempest not good for testing a real cloud
17:07:00 <jasonsb> rally is somewhat better
17:07:22 <jasonsb> but overall the mood of the room was the testing available was meh
17:07:27 <malini> I think ppl try to use tempest for everything, because there are no alternatives
17:07:59 <jasonsb> anyway, i think tailgate would be well received in kolla community
17:08:18 <malini> jasonsb: as soon as we have a game plan :)
17:08:20 <jasonsb> it fills a neccessary component and kolla doesn't want to do that
17:08:46 <malini> what do the kolla folks need from a testing perspective?
17:09:03 <jasonsb> you deploy a cloud (with ha blah blah)
17:09:06 <jasonsb> how do you know it works?
17:09:26 <malini> I have heard tht somewhere else ;)
17:09:31 <jasonsb> :)
17:10:29 <malini> But tht is really good finding jasonsb
17:11:12 <malini> jasonsb: looks like we dont have anybody else. what do you want to do?
17:11:19 <jasonsb> i personally like it because we get to focus on our tooling, but if kolla will deploy for us we know the user experience
17:11:31 <jasonsb> and also kolla wants to solve the same problem
17:11:53 <jasonsb> im fine
17:11:55 <malini> Is Kolla meant to deploy OS clouds using docker?
17:11:59 <jasonsb> i had a question for you
17:12:04 <malini> jasonsb: sure
17:12:10 <jasonsb> kolla deploys openstack clouds using docker
17:12:25 <jasonsb> (in 2 minutes)
17:12:34 <jasonsb> its pretty fast
17:12:44 <malini> jasonsb: tht is neat..we should be able to integrate with them
17:12:49 <jasonsb> you can push config change and it will restart services blah blah
17:13:05 <jasonsb> oh
17:13:14 <jasonsb> 6 companies have expressed interest in using kolla
17:13:33 <jasonsb> so if we do provide tooling we will have an audience
17:13:42 <malini> wonder how magnum is different from kolla?
17:13:54 <jasonsb> quite a bit i think
17:13:58 <jasonsb> magnum uses nova
17:14:36 <jasonsb> nova provides place for housekeeping daemons etc in addition to container stuff
17:14:42 <jasonsb> (as i understand it)
17:14:54 <malini> aah..ok
17:15:02 <jasonsb> oh, one more thing
17:15:09 <jasonsb> since i'm pitching kolla
17:15:16 <jasonsb> kolla uses ansible to deploy
17:15:29 <jasonsb> ansible has metadata and inventory files for what services live where
17:15:46 <jasonsb> i think this could be useful for us, even though it is a bit specific
17:15:58 <malini> hmm..we can probably use tht to build a conf file
17:15:59 <jasonsb> we could implement ha testing with that metadata and have a end-to-end
17:16:08 <malini> yeah..tht sounds cool!!
17:16:23 <jasonsb> its deployment specific, but i think thats the nature of it anyway
17:16:31 <jasonsb> oh
17:16:47 <malini> if we can decouple the deployment & testing, we might be able to use it across
17:16:47 <jasonsb> and kolla is meant to be able to deploy multiple versions of openstack
17:17:02 <jasonsb> so if we provide testing that fills that void we would be rockstars
17:17:03 <jasonsb> :)
17:17:10 <jasonsb> since tempest cannot do that
17:17:23 <malini> aahh..MONEY, FAME,......
17:17:43 <jasonsb> yeah, definitely in it for the money and fame :)
17:17:47 <malini> :D
17:17:51 <jasonsb> questoin
17:18:01 <jasonsb> i see a few links for the goog spyderdyne form
17:18:10 <jasonsb> is that settled or still WIP?
17:18:16 <malini> its still WIP
17:18:37 <jasonsb> can i help?
17:18:40 <malini> we were all supposed to put our brain dump in an etherpad on what we shud/not cover
17:18:57 <malini> jasonsb: tht'll be neat..Let me dig the links from the last minutes
17:19:10 <jasonsb> ok, let me review etherpad
17:19:15 <malini> jasonsb: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-07-23-17.00.txt
17:19:22 <malini> Looks for the links there
17:19:43 <jasonsb> ok, i'll spend some time
17:19:53 <malini> jasonsb: I think spyderdyne might have gotten busy
17:20:55 <jasonsb> is gema on vacation?
17:21:05 <jasonsb> its august almost
17:21:28 <malini> yeap! She was dealing with some flood stuff last week
17:21:38 <malini> I hope she is done with all of tht
17:21:47 <malini> the 'yeap' was not for vacation :/
17:21:51 <malini> I dont know
17:22:01 <jasonsb> flood stuff
17:22:04 <jasonsb> ewww
17:22:07 <jasonsb> hope everything ok
17:22:13 <malini> I hope the worst is over
17:22:19 <jasonsb> could you do me a favor
17:22:22 <malini> sure
17:22:32 <jasonsb> of the tools you are aware of
17:22:49 <jasonsb> do you think any of them are low hanging fruit where we could package them into stackforge
17:22:56 <jasonsb> and kolla can consume them?
17:23:14 <jasonsb> i think it would energize our group if we could demo our tools in action
17:23:38 <malini> jasonsb: sorry…bad wifi
17:23:50 <jasonsb> i think it would energize our group if we could demo our tools in action
17:23:50 <malini> jasonsb: Rackspace has many of the tests opensourced
17:24:05 <malini> https://github.com/stackforge/cloudcafe
17:24:15 <jasonsb> is that what you would start with?
17:24:15 <malini> But…I am not sure if tht is what kolla needs
17:24:28 <jasonsb> kolla wants to start with something and then grow it
17:24:39 <jasonsb> so doesn't have to be fancy
17:24:52 <jasonsb> but small and tight would be nice-to-haves
17:25:07 <malini> hmmm….which projects are they targetting?
17:25:13 <malini> all the big tent ?
17:25:37 <jasonsb> i think the things people use
17:25:47 <jasonsb> potentially anything in openstack namespace
17:26:01 <jasonsb> kolla can use binary distros or build from source
17:26:07 <jasonsb> so its kind of open
17:26:38 <jasonsb> i think hds will probably add manila if nobody else gets there first
17:27:45 <malini> jasonsb: I really cant think of any one tool tht kolla can consume :/
17:28:00 <malini> tht is the problem all of us have :(
17:28:27 <malini> we have tempest, internal tests, rally yada yada
17:28:39 <malini> But not a clear answer on what we are testing
17:29:01 <jasonsb> i think a test which runs without adversely effecting the cloud is job #1
17:29:47 <jasonsb> i think most people are flexible on functionality if you can nail that point
17:31:24 <malini> gtg for another meeting…will ttyl
17:31:27 <malini> #endmeeting