14:00:08 <mark-burnett> #startmeeting airship 14:00:09 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Jul 31 14:00:08 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mark-burnett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:10 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:12 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'airship' 14:00:14 <mark-burnett> #topic role call 14:00:15 <seaneagan> hi 14:00:18 <srwilkers> o/ 14:00:26 <mark-burnett> Hey all, may want to chime in again if you did it early :) 14:00:27 <sthussey> here 14:00:32 <b-str> hello 14:00:34 <mattmceuen> o/ 14:00:35 <jayahn> o/ 14:00:42 <mark-burnett> Here's our agenda for today: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/airship-meeting-2018-07-31 14:02:08 <mark-burnett> #topic Specs publishing 14:02:41 <mark-burnett> So sthussey and b-str have updated the specs repo to actually render the RST and publish it to read the docs 14:03:02 <b-str> also added some further instructions to help with indexing usage of the repo. 14:03:05 <mark-burnett> There are a couple of specs up there for folks to look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/airship-specs 14:03:09 <mark-burnett> Ah, good point, thanks 14:03:48 <sthussey> https://airshipit.readthedocs.io/projects/specs/en/latest/ 14:05:07 <mark-burnett> Maybe we can just comment here on the pegleg issue 14:05:25 <mark-burnett> There is a pegleg spec for rearchitecting it as a pipeline + plugin system 14:06:04 <mark-burnett> It would be great to get some feedback on those ideas 14:06:19 <mark-burnett> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/587127/ 14:06:26 <mark-burnett> ^ spec 14:06:37 <mark-burnett> and a very rough skeleton of what it might look like in the code: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/587095/ 14:06:46 <mark-burnett> OK, let's move on to SKT's timeout/wait issue 14:07:05 <mark-burnett> #topic Armada timeout with parallel deployments 14:07:35 <mark-burnett> Can you show us a sample set of manifests that behave this way, just to make it more concrete? 14:08:18 <powerds0111> we have just one chart group for all charts without wait=True 14:08:46 <powerds0111> vary simple structure 14:08:49 <mark-burnett> Yeah, I see 14:09:22 <mark-burnett> I see Scott has offered to review, I'm happy to review today too. I agree that updating the timeout should ideally not basically turn on a "sequenced" behavior 14:09:33 <powerds0111> and need to increate default timeout because it takes long time to deploy 14:09:36 <powerds0111> yeap :) 14:09:50 <mark-burnett> OK, any other thoughts? 14:10:18 <mark-burnett> #topic Consider rescheduling weekly meeting 14:10:37 <hogepodge> hi 14:11:01 <mark-burnett> I know we recently voted to schedule the meeting at this time, but a concern has been raised that our timing overlaps with the Edge compute meeting. 14:11:20 <mark-burnett> I think there may be people from that group who want to participate. 14:11:25 <portdirect> o/ hogepodge 14:11:42 <mark-burnett> Can we come up with some candidate times to distribute on the mailing list, so that people can chime in and see where we land? 14:12:28 <jayahn> good idea, probably using doodle? 14:12:34 <mattmceuen> I'd suggest 2 hours from now (rather 1 hour 45 min) 14:12:40 <mattmceuen> as one option 14:12:50 <jayahn> after openstack-helm meeting? 14:12:57 <mattmceuen> yep 14:12:58 <portdirect> +1 14:12:58 <jayahn> that will be 2am for us 14:13:02 <portdirect> :( 14:13:06 <mark-burnett> Yeah, one of the reasons it's now is so SKT can come 14:13:07 <mattmceuen> hmm that would be rough 14:13:16 <sthussey> How about 0830 CT 14:13:31 <mark-burnett> That might work, since we really only need 30 minutes most days 14:13:44 <mattmceuen> I'd be open to 8am CT also 14:14:16 <b-str> I think 8:30 - 9 once a week is good. 14:14:27 <hogepodge> Since I'll be coming to the meetings, 8:30 CT would be much better for me. 6:30 is easier than 6:00 AM. 14:14:36 <sthussey> 1330 UTC 14:15:06 <mark-burnett> Ok, I'll include some sample options in a follow up email for discussions 14:15:35 <mark-burnett> #topic Core member list maintenance 14:16:06 <mark-burnett> I've included the list in the etherpad 14:16:44 <mark-burnett> Felipe's not here, but he had raised a concern about having some inactive folks on the list 14:17:07 <mark-burnett> I know that Anthony's contributions have decreased lately, so it might be fair to remove him from the list 14:17:36 <portdirect> has anyone asked him what his plans are? 14:17:55 <mark-burnett> Anthony? No, I don't believe anyone has reached out to him yet. I will do that 14:17:56 <portdirect> its not uncommon for people to go walkabout for a month or two 14:18:10 <mattmceuen> I'd say shoot him an email and see if they think they'll be able to remain active reviewers, I've seen that done successfully in openstack projects 14:18:16 <portdirect> ++ 14:18:21 <mark-burnett> Sounds good 14:18:32 <mark-burnett> Any other thoughts? 14:18:47 <mattmceuen> Do you know if marshallmargenau will be staying active in the armada world? 14:18:57 <mattmceuen> I know he's going on vacation for a bit :) 14:19:06 <mark-burnett> Right, I'm not sure he'll remain active after that 14:19:17 <portdirect> we need to do a better job of reviewing overall - theres a lot of patches that sit around for a long time 14:19:19 <mark-burnett> It seems harmless to leave him on the list for a bit 14:19:34 <mattmceuen> +1 14:19:53 <portdirect> it there anyone who we should be trying to get ready for core status? 14:19:54 <mattmceuen> to portdirect and mark-burnett 14:20:07 <portdirect> as it would be great to increase review coverage 14:21:08 <portdirect> hogepodge: to help here, do you know how we can get stackalitics to give stats for airship as a whole? 14:21:31 <hogepodge> I don't know offhand 14:21:36 <b-str> you mean grouped up for all airship, not the individual components? 14:21:47 <sthussey> Probably rather than picking people, a process should be decided 14:21:54 <mattmceuen> my thoght is it should correlate well to frequent good reviews - going back to the "we should do a better job of reviewing overall" point 14:22:04 <portdirect> ^ 14:22:09 <sthussey> Because the current core list is likely to see considerable turnover 14:22:17 <hogepodge> Maybe this file. https://github.com/openstack/stackalytics/blob/master/etc/default_data.json 14:22:37 <portdirect> hogepodge: i want pie charts ;) 14:23:40 <hogepodge> It looks to me like project configuration uses a full URL, and isn't hardcoded to the git.openstack.org domain. Try a PR there and see if the maintainers give you the thumbs up. 14:23:41 <mattmceuen> hogepodge: I want pie but would settle for charts 14:23:55 <portdirect> will do - cheers dude 14:24:04 <mark-burnett> I think having a clearer process would be good. My intuition is that deep project understanding is really helpful - maybe reviews are a good proxy for that, but it's not clear to me that's true. 14:24:34 <portdirect> it depends i suppose on how much airship wants to align with the openstack way of life 14:24:55 <portdirect> where its made clear that its "core reviewer" as opposed for "core merger" 14:24:55 <mattmceuen> Here's the OpenStack core reviewer's guide, gives a good overview of the traditional responsibilities: https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/core.html 14:25:32 <mark-burnett> My main concern is that the projects are really useful, not how closely we align with traditional openstack practices. 14:25:33 <portdirect> and that we should consider people based on their input to the community, which makes the critera somewhat fuzzy 14:26:28 <mark-burnett> I agree that looking at reviews is useful, but I doubt that statistics about the number of reviews would be very informative. 14:26:42 <portdirect> its a small part of the picture 14:26:44 <sthussey> Seems like it would need a balance of reviews and contributions to show interest in the platform, but also an understanding on how the platform should be extended and maintained 14:26:50 <b-str> I've captured some of these ideas on the etherpad. 14:26:59 <mark-burnett> I don't think we're going to solve this today, so let's move on. 14:27:20 <mark-burnett> #topic PTG Agenda 14:27:22 <b-str> please update the etherpad with more ideas on core identification. We can decide process later too. 14:27:35 <jayahn> stackalytics should not be a main source defining core. period. it can be a supplemental info though. (my personal thought) 14:27:37 <mark-burnett> Not looking to set the agenda today, but just pointing out the etherpad for the agenda 14:27:53 <mark-burnett> Thank you guys for those comments, sorry for moving the topic on too early. 14:28:50 <mark-burnett> PTG Schedule: https://www.openstack.org/ptg#tab_schedule Airship agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AirshipPTG4 14:29:08 <mark-burnett> Does anyone have thoughts about how to prepare for the PTG so we get the most out of it? 14:30:03 <portdirect> from my exp 14:30:12 <portdirect> fin sessions that are not "your own" 14:30:35 <portdirect> the biggest thing ive got out of the ptg is meeting new people in tangental feilds 14:30:56 <portdirect> and some of the stuff that falls out of those conversations can be gold 14:30:58 <b-str> so networking 14:31:08 <portdirect> yeah 14:31:16 <mark-burnett> Ok, one last thing before we close. 14:31:23 <mark-burnett> #topic Help leading next 2 meetings 14:31:28 <portdirect> esp as a new project, if we stay in a room on our own, we dont gain much over this irc meeting :) 14:31:29 <jayahn> denver ptg site has a great beer place near by. :) 14:31:49 <mark-burnett> I'm going to be out of town the next two weeks, and almost certainly not be able to attend these meetings 14:31:53 <mark-burnett> (There is a tiny chance) 14:32:06 <mark-burnett> Can I get one or two volunteers to run these? 14:32:22 <mark-burnett> I will just attend if able 14:32:25 <b-str> I can run at least one 14:32:34 <mark-burnett> Can I put you down for next week? 14:32:42 <aaronsheffield> I can run one or both. 14:32:43 <b-str> just need the instructions on the meetbot 14:32:49 <mark-burnett> Ok, sounds good 14:32:51 <b-str> yeah, I'll take next week 14:32:53 <mark-burnett> Thanks 14:33:01 <mark-burnett> Ok, and Aaron can run the following 14:33:15 <mark-burnett> #topic Closing thoughts 14:33:24 <mark-burnett> Anyone have any final thoughts? We're a little over, sorry 14:33:38 <portdirect> is the meting 30 mins or one hour? 14:34:00 <mark-burnett> I think some of us usually only have 30 minutes 14:34:20 <mark-burnett> We may have blocked off the whole hour though 14:34:43 <mattmceuen> one more good constraint to take into account when rescheduling :) 14:34:51 <hogepodge> #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/meetbot/blob/master/doc/Manual.txt meetbot manual 14:35:11 <mark-burnett> Thanks Chris :) 14:35:28 <mark-burnett> Ok guys, thanks for coming. I think this is the most participation we've had so far! 14:35:34 <mark-burnett> #endmeeting