14:02:19 <mark-burnett> #startmeeting airship
14:02:20 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Dec 11 14:02:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mark-burnett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:02:23 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'airship'
14:02:31 <mark-burnett> Hi all
14:02:31 <portdirect> o/
14:02:37 <mattmceuen> GM mark-burnett
14:02:38 <mark-burnett> Here's the very empty etherpad for today: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/airship-meeting-2018-12-11
14:02:39 <dwalt> o/
14:05:23 <mattmceuen> dwalt I'm on mobile for few mins so no easy access to etherpad- could you share a status update on the airskiff gates, where they are, where they're going?
14:05:28 <evrardjp> nice agenda
14:07:25 <dwalt> Absolutely!
14:11:26 <dwalt> Now that Airskiff has been integrated in the Treasuremap repository as a site, we have added several gates. Two of which lint each site (Airship-Seaworthy, Airskiff), and one that deploys a couple of components (i.e memcached) using the Airship components deployed during the Airskiff setup process. We’re going through the next phase right now of adding that Treasuremap gate as a non-voting job to each component’s
14:11:26 <dwalt> repository that is represented in Airskiff.
14:12:38 <dwalt> Additionally, we are trying to reduce the size of the Airskiff site. There are a lot of extra files that were inherited from the Seaworthy site that are ignored when deploying Airskiff
14:14:01 <mattmceuen> so the airskiff gate *in treasuremap* today -- what does it gate on?  Any changes to treasuremap, or something more specific?
14:15:35 <dwalt> Great question. Because it deploys the whole site using the developer setup scripts, any changes to those scripts or the Airskiff site documents are gated
14:16:07 <dwalt> Additionally, we build all of the Airship components from source. So they are sort of verified on each run
14:16:42 <mattmceuen> gotcha.   How long does the full gate run take in openstack infra?
14:18:16 <dwalt> It’s about an hour at the present time. While we are looking at ways to reduce the time (e.g. exploring minikube for K8s), the priority is still to represent this job in the other Airship components first
14:19:30 <mattmceuen> makes sense.  If we're building the airship components {pegleg, armada, shipyard, deckhand} from source as part of the gate, would it speed things up to only build the project being tested, and pull the curent built images for the rest?
14:21:20 <dwalt> That’s another idea that’s also been tossed around a bit. That is another thing I am hoping to accomplish once the gate runs for the other Airship repositories
14:21:49 <mattmceuen> awesome
14:21:50 <dwalt> Right now, Treasuremap is sort of serving as an integration point
14:22:26 <dwalt> For those interested, we also have a roadmap on the Treasuremap storyboard
14:22:47 <mattmceuen> thanks for your work on that - it'll be really valuable getting some gating on every patch :)
14:22:59 <mattmceuen> link to storyboard?
14:23:35 <dwalt> https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/openstack/airship-treasuremap
14:23:51 <dwalt> Definitely!
14:24:31 <mattmceuen> I think those are all my questions with which to pepper dwalt at this time mark-burnett :)
14:26:28 <mark-burnett> Great
14:26:41 <mark-burnett> Anyone else have any topics?
14:26:58 <portdirect> Airship-in-a-bottle ?
14:27:59 <mark-burnett> Ok
14:28:15 <mark-burnett> #topic Airship in a bottle
14:29:31 <sthussey> Is there an actual question or subject regard AIAB that needs discussion?
14:29:37 <sthussey> regarding*
14:30:07 <b-str> I added what I know about efforts to move it forward to the etherpad.
14:30:56 <portdirect> thats great b-str
14:31:15 <portdirect> the question is more around what we do to try and get us in a situation where it works all the time
14:31:27 <portdirect> do we have capacity to put some cicd around it?
14:31:41 <portdirect> or a community goal to keep it healty
14:32:04 <portdirect> as its the entrypoint for most people into airship, its very important that their first experence is a good one.
14:32:50 <mattmceuen> +1
14:33:07 <sthussey> Seems the largest hurdle is 3rd party CI doesn't have a method for publishing logs
14:33:11 <b-str> There is an AIAB pipeline that runs (internally) but it doesn't gate, and doesn't publish results publicly.
14:33:46 <sthussey> So all the results are silent due to OSF rules that 3rd party CI must publicly publish results
14:33:48 <mattmceuen> Substantial "doesn't work on my machine" feedback on ML and otherwise -- part of that is  system requirements, part of that is occasionally something is broken
14:34:05 <mattmceuen> Was about to say - can we publish the results :)
14:34:24 <mark-burnett> I feel like we're onto rehashing old topics here
14:34:50 <mattmceuen> k, what was the outcome of that one mark-burnett
14:34:52 <mark-burnett> We've discussed our inability to publish 3rd party gate results a number of times in this forum
14:35:29 <b-str> One ML request was to reduce the memory requirement, which we've known since June or so, but no substantial changes have happened since then on this topic.
14:35:30 <mark-burnett> The outcome is simply that the team responsible doesn't have the bandwidth to push that forward right now
14:36:13 <mattmceuen> Sure, bandwidth aside - I wouldn't phrase that inability, just opportunity
14:36:27 <mattmceuen> "when" not "if"
14:37:19 <portdirect> ok - I'll see if i can help on the publishing issue
14:37:29 <portdirect> i may have some levers i can pull
14:37:39 <portdirect> though would probably be after christmas
14:37:40 <sthussey> Did we ever get clarity on how Ironic or Triple-O does gating of the full platform? I've heard two stories around that - one is 3rd party gates and the other is they have worked zuul magic.
14:37:57 <mattmceuen> ty portdirect :)
14:38:06 <portdirect> ironic - just uses zuul and nodepool as per everyone else
14:38:41 <portdirect> triple-o uses zuul and nodepool, though with some deadicated hardware if i rememeber correctly
14:39:10 <sthussey> Okay
14:39:17 <portdirect> though as we are not 'openstack' we can use third party gates however we like as far as im aware
14:39:19 <sthussey> I was just looking at Ironic PS and it seems like they have vendor gates
14:39:26 <portdirect> so should have no limitations
14:39:29 <mark-burnett> Yeah, they have pretty significant 3rd party gates, iirc
14:39:40 <portdirect> ironic has third party gates, but do not rely upon them
14:39:58 <portdirect> the core implementation only requires vbmc to run
14:40:51 <portdirect> this is how we gate it in osh
14:41:13 <portdirect> so you may want to check that for somthing that would plug neatly into airskiff
14:42:40 <mark-burnett> Ok, sounds like we're basically done
14:42:45 <mark-burnett> Thanks for coming everyone!
14:43:02 <mark-burnett> #endmeeting